[Q] 64GB CDMA Moto Maxx (XT1250) - does it exist? - Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo Q&A, Help & Troublesh

I have Verizon and don't want the locked down Droid Turbo, and the idea that the XT1250 is virtually the same thing and unlockable has got my geeky-bits tinglin', but I gotta have 64GB. I went through ChazzMatt's list but they only have 32GB (actually I couldn't get a hold of someone at Copper Valley and another one wouldn't talk to me since I wasn't a customer).
So the $64,000 question, does the XT1250 exist in a 64GB variety (and where can I get it )?

It was advertised by one regional carrier. They showed both 32GB and 64GB, but when someone called to actually check, they said all they had was the 32GB. Still, if they had the ad images, it must exist.

ChazzMatt said:
It was advertised by one regional carrier. They showed both 32GB and 64GB, but when someone called to actually check, they said all they had was the 32GB. Still, if they had the ad images, it must exist.
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Yeah I saw that in your thread...the carrier did eventually change their listing to remove the mention of 64GB. Unfortunately I don't have quite the wide knowledge of the wireless industry that you have to know of the other regional CDMA carriers. I already checked the ones in my area (Philly) but they're only GSM or in the process of converting to GSM (Cricket and MetroPCS).

sakasune said:
Yeah I saw that in your thread...the carrier did eventually change their listing to remove the mention of 64GB. Unfortunately I don't have quite the wide knowledge of the wireless industry that you have to know of the other regional CDMA carriers. I already checked the ones in my area (Philly) but they're only GSM or in the process of converting to GSM (Cricket and MetroPCS).
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One thing you have to know is take "exclusive" claims with a grain of salt. The XT1254 was NEVER exclusive to Verizon. Yes that model number, that name, so what. The same phone under the model name XT1250 Moto Maxx with the SAME FCC ID is the same phone. Anyone who argues with that shows how little they actually know about phones. An FCC ID is a unique identifier. It imparts legal responsibilities/liabilities for stuff like the American Disability Act (ADA) for deaf people, etc.
When we see the XT1250 and XT1254 share the same FCC ID, that's the end of any argument for informed, intelligent people -- no matter how big a Verizon fanboi they might be. And citing CNET articles (like someone laughably did) doesn't refute an FCC ID. CNET was just repeating Verizon's marketing puffery. If you read closely, Verizon never said the DEVICE was exclusive. They said the "Droid Turbo" was exclusive... Well, they own the rights to the Droid name, so can't argue there.
I'll give you an example from a few years ago. The LG Revolution came to Verizon. It was a top tier LTE "exclusive" phone. Blah, blah, blah. Then it came to a regional CDMA/LTE carrier as the LG Esteem. SAME EXACT PHONE, just a different name. When I rooted it, inside the media folder I found the Verizon bootup animation and audio files were also present! LG didn't even bother removing those! They just added the bootup animation for the other carrier. Meanwhile Verizon was still touting '"EXCLUSIVE" LG Revolution. Like I said, a grain of salt.
This is the dirty little secret of the cell phone business. There's a lot of smaller regional CDMA/LTE carriers (NOT MVNOs, real carriers) who do have roaming agreements with Verizon and Sprint, but are standalone carriers with their own spectrum in their own markets. They are not big enough for major manufacturers to build models specifically for them. Some are even "member only" co-ops communities in remote mountainous regions, like in Appalachia. So, these carriers get the same models Verizon and Sprint get -- but just a different model name. Same FCC ID and everything. Verizon gets to claim it's "exclusive" because the model name is different, but the DEVICE is the same. These other models for smaller carriers don't get national/international press attention. It all flies under the radar, unless you know how this system all works.
Some of these carriers are so small that Motorola/Lenovo won't even deal directly with them, they buy from a wholesaler. So, if you find the wholesaler that is selling these XT1250 phones, there's where you can find if any 64GB variants exist.

Sorry to bump an old thread, but is it possible to find an XT1250 (64GB) that's unlocked and can run on GSM networks?
I'm on AT&T, and I'm wondering if it would even be possible to use a Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx/whatever you want to call it on ATT or some other GSM network.
Thanks-in-advance and sorry of it's a dumb question.

you, sir, need an xt1225 (gsm) which you can find easily. @ChazzMatt has proved that one works perfectly on ATT. (he has a couple of them).

Yeah, you want the XT1225 which is the same as the Droid Turbo, just GSM only (no CDMA). Also I heard from one seller on swappa that the XT1250 (CDMA+GSM) does not come in a 64GB version (oddly the XT1225 comes ONLY in 64GB).

I just purchased this one of Amazon. It states that it will run on GSM even though its the XT1250. Will it work on ATT? Thanks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017I1RND0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

tranemonk33 said:
I just purchased this one of Amazon. It states that it will run on GSM even though its the XT1250. Will it work on ATT? Thanks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017I1RND0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
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I thought that the XT1250 was GSM+CDMA but one of the reviews said that voice but not data works on T-Mobile (or they had to bring it to T-Mobile for them to set up the APNs). You can bring it to AT&T and see if they can help
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/customer.../ref=cm_cr_pr_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B017I1RND0

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[Q] Moto x from usa

Hi,this is my first post so i hope that i'm in the right place and not breaking any rules of the forum, anyway...
I'm lookin for a Moto x and i saw really cheap one on ebay from the usa but i have some question:
1: i've found out that i have no problem in using it in italy if it has tha gsm card slot and right frequencies, so ok,
2: i've seen some services that unlock for you the phone with a small fee, it can be done with bad esn/imei? no i suppose but i'm asking anyway.
3: a bad esn phone with gsm slot can be used anyway outside usa since esn is related to cdma?
4: all sprint's phones are only CDMA? can i unlock the gsm to use it outside usa?
Thank you guys 4 your work,
Federico
I might work....it might not.
But it sure is a gamble with your money. Plus you'd be supporting a thief.
The Moto X is available in europe since around february(?), you can even buy it directly from motorola on amazon.it
As far as i can see that should be the german version, but the european Moto X (XT1052) has all languages available so you can easily change it.
Besides you would have no problems with any frequencies and even LTE would work (which doesnt with a US Moto X).
This should also be cheaper than importing it from the US as you have to pay additional ~25% taxes.
Hope this helps you, i also imported the Moto X from the US back when it was released and everyone thought it was going to be US only.
fede.rico said:
Hi,this is my first post so i hope that i'm in the right place and not breaking any rules of the forum, anyway...
I'm lookin for a Moto x and i saw really cheap one on ebay from the usa but i have some question:
1: i've found out that i have no problem in using it in italy if it has tha gsm card slot and right frequencies, so ok,
2: i've seen some services that unlock for you the phone with a small fee, it can be done with bad esn/imei? no i suppose but i'm asking anyway.
3: a bad esn phone with gsm slot can be used anyway outside usa since esn is related to cdma?
4: all sprint's phones are only CDMA? can i unlock the gsm to use it outside usa?
Thank you guys 4 your work,
Federico
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Make sure the phone supports ALL frequencies of your carrier. Not all X's support all frequencies. While most support the standard 4 standard GSM/GPRS/EDGE frequencies, if the phone you buy doesn't support the frequencies your carrier uses for UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ or LTE, you could be stuck as Edge Only. Oh, and from reading threads on the Republic Wireless X it appears that variant X doesn't support the 4 GSM frequencies.
It depends. In the past, the "bad" IMEI/ESN databases were kept by the carrier and not shared. More recently carriers are sharing, but I don't know if this is shared between countries, nor do I know if its shared with SIM Unlock Code sellers.
Since the CDMA X has a SIM slot capable of GSM roaming, reporting a bad ESN might also cause the IMEI to be reported as bad too.
Sprint X does support quad band GSM for global roaming, but apparently only SPRINT has the needed SIM unlock code. To get it, you must be a current sprint customer, with that phone on your line. There are many posts of people buying the Sprint X to use over seas, who are not able to get it SIM Unlocked

difference between the xt1050 and the xt1060?

what is the difference between the xt1050 and the xt 1060, i see on ebay theres a listing for motherboards rot $29 model # xt1050 listed as a generic cdma model, phonearena has no listing on the xt1050, did google search and found link that suggest its not compatible in the us. it it possible to install the xt1050 board in device for sell in the us as a cdma device?
Don't bet on it!
Sent from my XT1060 using Tapatalk
I can partially answer that. the xt1050 is a device sold by 'regional carriers'. for example, I have an xt1050 but which was sold by alltel. there are other xt1050 models sold by Inland Cellular, Illinois Valley Cellular etc. Basically the xt1050 was the model sold by very small cellular companies. I can't vouch for other models besides the one i have but my alltel xt1050 was able to be unlocked officially via moto website. I was also able to install twrp on it.
But it gets more complex. There are apparently different firmware versions for each different xt1050 model. see this page here https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/94927/p/30,6720,8696 (under ACG Regional Carriers). Now what, if anything, is different between the different firmware numbers... I've no idea.
Finally, according to this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56803257&postcount=60 the xt1050 actually shares the same fcc number as the xt1060. This is pretty much all the info I've gathered.
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x000x said:
I can partially answer that. the xt1050 is a device sold by 'regional carriers'. for example, I have an xt1050 but which was sold by alltel. there are other xt1050 models sold by Inland Cellular, Illinois Valley Cellular etc. Basically the xt1050 was the model sold by very small cellular companies. I can't vouch for other models besides the one i have but my alltel xt1050 was able to be unlocked officially via moto website. I was also able to install twrp on it.
But it gets more complex. There are apparently different firmware versions for each different xt1050 model. see this page here https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/94927/p/30,6720,8696 (under ACG Regional Carriers). Now what, if anything, is different between the different firmware numbers... I've no idea.
Finally, according to this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56803257&postcount=60 the xt1050 actually shares the same fcc number as the xt1060. This is pretty much all the info I've gathered.
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So what does it exactly meaan?
I am using v 1060 verizon outside the US.
Working well, haven't rooted yet and been waiting for Android L.
stevedat said:
So what does it exactly meaan?
I am using v 1060 verizon outside the US.
Working well, haven't rooted yet and been waiting for Android L.
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Can someone, say whether xt1060 is easier to root and cheaper than the former?
The 1050 is an AT&T, with 1060 being Verizon, which is more likely to cause less problemsin EU over the course of its use?
snejkatamie007 said:
Can someone, say whether xt1060 is easier to root and cheaper than the former?
The 1050 is an AT&T, with 1060 being Verizon, which is more likely to cause less problemsin EU over the course of its use?
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I have found that XT1060 means Verizon carrier - read it from a thread on somewhere of the 4rum.
I am owning that one using out of the US and everyting works fine for me now.
Rooting is just like playing around with the Rom there is nothing else.
A custom rom lacks Moto features, such as: active display, spotty, etc - a big díappointment!
Android L is pretty good with material design, but that is the only thing.
stevedat said:
I have found that XT1060 means Verizon carrier - read it from a thread on somewhere of the 4rum.
I am owning that one using out of the US and everyting works fine for me now.
Rooting is just like playing around with the Rom there is nothing else.
A custom rom lacks Moto features, such as: active display, spotty, etc - a big díappointment!
Android L is pretty good with material design, but that is the only thing.
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I am finding it hard to believe that Verizon phones are working worries free outwith the US with European. if I recall correctly Europe being Gsm network where Verizon phones are the other one. I really don't know, I will be going for AT&T over Verizon despite it's lack of customizability. Very disappointing ****!
snejkatamie007 said:
I am finding it hard to believe that Verizon phones are working worries free outwith the US with European. if I recall correctly Europe being Gsm network where Verizon phones are the other one. I really don't know, I will be going for AT&T over Verizon despite it's lack of customizability. Very disappointing ****!
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I got this vrz moto x 2013 by exchanging with my sony phone. I am an asian buddy. In the back of my phone there is a logo with Verizon carrier.
I am running 4.4.4 and being happy with it. Moto's features are cool stuffs.
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What country are you living in? thanks
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snejkatamie007 said:
I am finding it hard to believe that Verizon phones are working worries free outwith the US with European. if I recall correctly Europe being Gsm network where Verizon phones are the other one. I really don't know, I will be going for AT&T over Verizon despite it's lack of customizability. Very disappointing ****!
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All Verizon LTE phones come SIM unlocked, meaning that they work fine on GSM carriers. The only problem that might show up is that LTE bands will likely not match, meaning the device is limited to HSPA+.
As for which is easier to root, the Verizon one will not be easy to root unless it's a developer edition. The XT1050 might be easily rootable, but there may be trouble using it on GSM carriers. It is not the ATT version of the X, rather it is the version used for smaller regional US carriers. The ATT version of the X is the XT1058 (also the version number for the Rogers Canada model). If I remember right, there are a few threads of people having problems SIM unlocking the XT1050 to use with carriers other than US Cellular (but you might need to search that info out).
HeroOfTime said:
All Verizon LTE phones come SIM unlocked, meaning that they work fine on GSM carriers. The only problem that might show up is that LTE bands will likely not match, meaning the device is limited to HSPA+.
As for which is easier to root, the Verizon one will not be easy to root unless it's a developer edition. The XT1050 might be easily rootable, but there may be trouble using it on GSM carriers. It is not the ATT version of the X, rather it is the version used for smaller regional US carriers. The ATT version of the X is the XT1058 (also the version number for the Rogers Canada model). If I remember right, there are a few threads of people having problems SIM unlocking the XT1050 to use with carriers other than US Cellular (but you might need to search that info out).
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Yes, I am referring to x1058, respectivelly At&T, I have no knowledge over a 1060, as the supplier only does 1058 and the Verizon one. With that being said, and by you marking Verizon bootloader unlockable, I guess I have no choice but to go with the AT&T and get a sunrise right after. ****e!
ps/ The dealer does infact says the Verizon one comes sim unlocked, but still the lack of customizability renders it rather unattractive in my mind!
snejkatamie007 said:
Yes, I am referring to x1058, respectivelly At&T, I have no knowledge over a 1060, as the supplier only does 1058 and the Verizon one. With that being said, and by you marking Verizon bootloader unlockable, I guess I have no choice but to go with the AT&T and get a sunrise right after. ****e!
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. The XT1060 is the Verizon Moto X model number, the XT1050 is not. I believe the XT1050, which is used for regional carriers, has CDMA capabilities like the Verizon model (again, the XT1060). If it's still on 4.4.2, the Verizon model can be unlocked via Sunshine as well, but your best bet for compatibility is the AT&T 1058, since it has the widest range of LTE bands. Good luck!
HeroOfTime said:
Sorry if I wasn't clear. The XT1060 is the Verizon Moto X model number, the XT1050 is not. I believe the XT1050, which is used for regional carriers, has CDMA capabilities like the Verizon model (again, the XT1060). If it's still on 4.4.2, the Verizon model can be unlocked via Sunshine as well, but your best bet for compatibility is the AT&T 1058, since it has the widest range of LTE bands. Good luck!
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Yes , that's in line with what I was thinking of. I will go with the at&t and hope for the best!
thanks-
Vietnam
snejkatamie007 said:
What country are you living in? thanks
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Vietnam
So can i use xt1050 on gsm carriers in US and outside US? thanks

Real Quick Question - Any Help is Appreciated

Hey guys, sorry to bug you - just in a pinch and could use some quick confirmation. I know you have probably answered this same question a million times, just want to clarify.
I currently have Verizon Service, using a Droid Turbo that has a Nano-Sim.
I am purchasing an Unlocked, Unbranded Nexus 6 via Amazon.
Specifically, this product:
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Nexu...e=UTF8&qid=1443036647&sr=1-4&keywords=Nexus+6
Will this work on Verizons Network? This device will NOT be purchased through verizon, this will be a BYOP (bring your own phone) kind of thing im trying to do.
I know the Nexus 6 Uses a Nano-Sim, my Droid Turbo uses a Nano-Sim... is it as easy as just swapping the SIM into the new phone, or is there more to this?
I realize that the Nexus 6 is all the same, there is not a CDMA Version and a GSM Version, however i have heard of Verizon being a little strict if you dont purchase the device directly from them.
Normally I wouldnt question this, However per the Amazon Ad I listed above, it specifically has the following line item in the description... Is this Accurate?
"Unlocked cell phones are compatible with GSM carriers like AT&T and T-Mobile as well as with GSM SIM cards (e.g. H20, Straight Talk, and select prepaid carriers). Unlocked cell phones will not work with CDMA Carriers like Sprint, Verizon, Boost or Virgin."
Yes this phone will work.
Ordered, thanks dude
It will probably show up on your account as a non-Verizon device. Any discounts may be forfeited. And it will only be because you didn't buy from Verizon.

Need new Turbo - can I downgrade firmware so I can unlock boot?

Hey all - long story short, GF and I both have Turbos and still absolutely love them. We're also grandfathered in to Verizon's unlimited data, and being rooted/unlocked is a *lifesaver* with the wifi hotspot.
She *destroyed* her phone last week by accident - it still connects via bluetooth but the screen won't even turn on. A new screen is $250, but a refurb Turbo on Ebay is $130ish, so I'm looking for one there. BUT - I know it's got to be SU4TL-44 or lower or I can't unlock the bootloader. I've tried three different respectable Ebay vendors to see if they've got any phones with that firmware or lower, and they all either "are sorry we are unable to answer this question" or said it's all new stock with new firmware.
So I had a thought today........is there any chance I can flash SU4TL-44 to an Ebay refurb phone with current firmware? Will that open back up the Sunshine exploit?
Many, many thanks, all!! You're lifesavers in advance.
No, you cannot downgrade to -44 and allow it to be rooted.
I would suggest getting a non-Verizon version of the phone... I forget the model number, but I think ChazzMatt has posted this repeatedly here, and pointed people to getting a different model number that is always rootable and still compatible with VZ's network.
Great to know!! Sent him a PM, but looks like the xt1250 may be the way to go sure appreciate it, schwinn!
thetastycat said:
Great to know!! Sent him a PM, but looks like the xt1250 may be the way to go sure appreciate it, schwinn!
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Yes, it's the XT1250.
In the future you can also check Swappa beside eBay. People there (for the most part) tend to be individual sellers who would answer your firmware question.
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See this post:
"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
The Verizon guy broke his XT1254 and bought XT1250 as replacement, because of course it's identical.
thetastycat said:
Hey Chazz - someone just pointed me in your direction; hoping you might be able to give me a little advice about getting a Droid Turbo that I can root/unlock!
I did find one of the threads - just so I'm clear, basically I can get a refurb (or new) xt1250, then unlock the bootloader? I've done it to two Turbos; any chance the process is similar?
Many, many thanks!
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Easier to unlock your bootloader with any other Quark than the Droid Turbo XT1254.
You just get an unlock code for free from Motorola, and enter it in. Your bootloader is then unlocked. Only Verizon makes Motorola keep their Quark locked down. Other carriers who sold Quarks don't care, and some Quarks were sold directly from Motorola website without any carrier affiliation.
The XT1250, sold by many regional U.S. CDMA/LTE carriers is identical to the XT1254 -- same FCC ID, same radio bands, same hardware. The only "exclusive" Verizon had was a locked down bootloader.
Even the "Turbo" name is not exclusive. The XT1225 Quark sold in India is the Moto Turbo. So, when people say, "I have a Turbo" -- makes me want to ask WHICH Turbo do you have?
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The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
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ChazzMatt said:
Easier to unlock your bootloader with any other Quark than the Droid Turbo XT1254.
You just get an unlock code for free from Motorola, and enter it in. Your bootloader is then unlocked. Only Verizon makes Motorola keep their Quark locked down. Other carriers who sold Quarks don't care, and some Quarks were sold directly from Motorola website without any carrier affiliation.
The XT1250, sold by many regional U.S. CDMA/LTE carriers is identical to the XT1254 -- same FCC ID, same radio bands, same hardware. The only "exclusive" Verizon had was a locked down bootloader.
Even the "Turbo" name is not exclusive. The XT1225 Quark sold in India is the Moto Turbo. So, when people say, "I have a Turbo" -- makes me want to ask WHICH Turbo do you have? [emoji14]
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The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
FCC ID IHDT56PK1
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Please answer one question,
You mentioned that all quarks have same hardware like they have Qualcomm snapdragon 805 chipset,
Then how it is possible that some carrier Brands have additional bands than the other carrier quarks.
Some bands are common in all carriers while some offer additional bands owing the same chipset.
How this phenomenon works???
Nido221 said:
Please answer one question,
You mentioned that all quarks have same hardware like they have Qualcomm snapdragon 805 chipset,
Then how it is possible that some carrier Brands have additional bands than the other carrier quarks.
Some bands are common in all carriers while some offer additional bands owing the same chipset.
How this phenomenon works???
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It works like with all other Android phones. For instance, all 2013 LG G2, 2014 LG G3, 2015 LG G4 for various carriers/countries all have the same hardware -- but different radio bands, different FCC ID's.
Go look at the LG G4 Verizon version vs the AT&T version vs LG G4 sold in Europe. You will see some common LTE bands, some different.
I haven't checked AT&T's LG G2, LG G3, LG G4 -- but the AT&T versions probably don't have LTE band 13, yet but Verizon does. AT&T and Verizon probably doesn't have Europe LTE band 20. Yet they all these models have the same hardware. Same Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset, same cameras, same displays, and they are the same phone series (for each year)
Of the QUARKS, the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Droid Turbo have the same FCC ID. They have the same radio bands.
The XT1225 Moto Maxx and XT1225 Moto Turbo share a different FCC ID and they have the same radio bands.
If you are suggesting some XT1225 have different radio bands than other XT1225, you are wrong. All the XT1225 (Motor Maxx, Moto Turbo) have the same bands, no matter where sold. Motorola did not list all the bands initially, but we found them anyway. Then for India, Motorola finally admitted admitted all the HSPA/LTE bands for the XT1225.
ChazzMatt said:
It works like with all other Android phones. For instance, all 2013 LG G2, 2014 LG G3, 2015 LG G4 for various carriers/countries all have the same hardware -- but different radio bands, different FCC ID's.
Go look at the LG G4 Verizon version vs the AT&T version vs LG G4 sold in Europe. You will see some common LTE bands, some different.
I haven't checked AT&T's LG G2, LG G3, LG G4 -- but the AT&T versions probably don't have LTE band 13, yet but Verizon does. AT&T and Verizon probably doesn't have Europe LTE band 20. Yet they all these models have the same hardware. Same Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset, same cameras, same displays, and they are the same phone series (for each year)
Of the QUARKS, the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Droid Turbo have the same FCC ID. They have the same radio bands.
The XT1225 Moto Maxx and XT1225 Moto Turbo share a different FCC ID and they have the same radio bands.
If you are suggesting some XT1225 have different radio bands than other XT1225, you are wrong. All the XT1225 (Motor Maxx, Moto Turbo) have the same bands, no matter where sold. Motorola did not list all the bands initially, but we found them anyway. Then for India, Motorola finally admitted admitted all the HSPA/LTE bands for the XT1225.
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Thank you very much for your answer. However, it ends then at the following conclusions...
1...One chipset(radio) have all the frequency bands for gsm,cdma,hspa and lte bands.
2... It is the OEM that determines which frequency or band is to make available according to Carrier requirements.
3...OEM can lock or unlock different bands despite that the Chipset is a global one which can provide all Bands.
Then the question arises either it is possible that a developer or a device owner can lock or unlock some specific bands according to their will or requirement[emoji782]
Nido221 said:
Thank you very much for your answer. However, it ends then at the following conclusions...
1...One chipset(radio) have all the frequency bands for gsm,cdma,hspa and lte bands.
2... It is the OEM that determines which frequency or band is to make available according to Carrier requirements.
3...OEM can lock or unlock different bands despite that the Chipset is a global one which can provide all Bands.
Then the question arises either it is possible that a developer or a device owner can lock or unlock some specific bands according to their will or requirement[emoji782]
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Yes. Some people have unlocked HSPA and LTE bands on some snapdragon chipset phones.
One Plus and Galaxy Samsung in particular. Do a Google search for "unlock LTE bands snapdragon".
It depends on the manufacturer workflow, whether the additional bands can be unlocked and the hardware (antenna) has to be able to receive the bands.
You guys are amazing - thank you!! Moto Maxx just arrived and I put the old SIM card in. It will place and receive calls as the correct number, but mobile data's not working - I just get an exclamation mark next to the bars. Any ideas?
Many thanks!!
Oddly enough, when it's connected to wifi, it shows full bars of 4g! But as soon as I disconnect wifi, back to the bars with exclamation mark
Your help is greatly appreciated!
thetastycat said:
Oddly enough, when it's connected to wifi, it shows full bars of 4g! But as soon as I disconnect wifi, back to the bars with exclamation mark
Your help is greatly appreciated!
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Where are you, which carrier?
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EDIT: OK, from your past posts it looks like you ordered the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and you are on Verizon? (Sorry for not remembering, can't keep up with everyone.) I wrote this below before I investigated your past posts. Some may apply to you, some may not. There are others here who are on Verizon with the XT1250 -- find out which APN they are using.
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Sounds like an APN issue. I'm on AT&T in the U.S. with XT1225 and several APNs are are shown as available. If I choose one which uses AT&T network, but for which I am not authorized (like an MVNO), it will show bars with an exclamation point. It means a signal is present, but I cannot use it successfully.
I have to choose the correct APN.
Same thing happened when I went to Brazil last year with "international" data SIM card. I had to choose the correct APN to get data. Other APNs would show up as choices. The U.K. service I ordered the SIM card from helped me with their tech support as their printed installation instructions were a little off.
If you are sure you are using the correct APN, then you need to contact your carrier. For some reason they are blocking you from data. For instance, some carriers only allow their branded phones. Or their Level 2 tech support may need more information about the phone. (Better suggestion might be to talk to others here on XDA who have the XT1250 on Verizon.)
Chazz, you beat me to it - was just about to reply that it was an APN issue! To Verizon's credit, they spent an hour with me trying all kinds of stuff to no avail. But, they were positive about me using a non-verizon phone on Verizon - I expected the opposite. Finally heard back from the seller, who asked if I'd done APN stuff, which was the first I'd heard of APN. I googled Verizon APN and plugged in the first set I found and it worked like a charm. I'm a little surprised a. that the seller wouldn't include any documentation about this since it was advertised as working on other networks, Verizon specifically, and b. that Verizon tech support, even the higher tier, wouldn't have known to do this.
Chazz, she *loves* her new phone, and it's all thanks to you. THANK you!!!!!!
XT1250 for the win
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Hey all - long story short, GF and I both have Turbos and still absolutely love them. We're also grandfathered in to Verizon's unlimited data, and being rooted/unlocked is a *lifesaver* with the wifi hotspot.
She *destroyed* her phone last week by accident - it still connects via bluetooth but the screen won't even turn on. A new screen is $250, but a refurb Turbo on Ebay is $130ish, so I'm looking for one there. BUT - I know it's got to be SU4TL-44 or lower or I can't unlock the bootloader.
I've tried three different respectable Ebay vendors to see if they've got any phones with that firmware or lower, and they all either "are sorry we are unable to answer this question" or said it's all new stock with new firmware.
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Yes, it's the XT1250.
See this post:
"dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/dev-version-droid-turbo-xt1254-t3391792
The Verizon guy broke his XT1254 and bought XT1250 as replacement, because of course it's identical.
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thetastycat said:
You guys are amazing - thank you!! Moto Maxx (XT1250) just arrived and I put the old (Verizon) SIM card in. It will place and receive calls as the correct number, but mobile data's not working - I just get an exclamation mark next to the bars. Any ideas?
Many thanks!!
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Chazz, you beat me to it - was just about to reply that it was an APN issue! To Verizon's credit, they spent an hour with me trying all kinds of stuff to no avail.
Finally heard back from the seller, who asked if I'd done APN stuff, which was the first I'd heard of APN. I googled Verizon APN and plugged in the first set I found and it worked like a charm.
Chazz, she *loves* her new phone, and it's all thanks to you. THANK you!!!!!!
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And since it's an Moto XT1250, you can easily unlock the bootloader (for free) and root -- which you've probably already done. While Sunshine is GREAT and the devs who came up with it are dedicated geniuses, now that SUTL-49 is appearing more and more even on refurbs, the U.S. Moto XT1250 is still very much the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo XT1254.
Exact same device -- same hardware specs, same radio bands, same FCC ID, just sold in the U.S. to at least a dozen other regional CMDA/LTE carriers under a different model name/number. (Not MVNOs, but actual carriers with their own spectrum and towers.) And the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 runs on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card just like a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6.
I know to regular readers I seemingly repeat this a lot, but you would not believe all the people who REALLY, truly believed Verizon's crap about this "Droid Turbo" phone being a world-wide "exclusive". It wasn't even exclusive in the U.S.! And the tech media just copied and pasted Verizon's press releases verbatim. (Only the "Droid" name and locked-down bootloader was exclusive -- not the device. The device was NOT exclusive to Verizon.)
I actually know about the cell phone industry, because I haven't always been on one the Big 4. I've actually used a regional CDMA/LTE carrier before, and I know how the business side of this stuff works, where so-called "exclusive" phones show up under different model names/numbers. Plus, I have a business degree, so I research a lot of this stuff for fun. It interests me.
When I first started publicizing the XT1250 being a clone of the XT1254 well over a year ago now, I got a lot of angry pushback from Verizon users here in XDA who did not want to believe their precious Droid Turbo was not the world-wide exclusive Verizon claimed it was.
I now have three XT1225 -- with full AT&T bands -- but at the time I only had two. That made them mad enough, that the sibling Quark Moto Maxx XT1225 had easily unlocked bootloader and was THE SAME device as the Droid Turbo, just with different radio bands. (PERFECT for U.S. AT&T!) Just like an LG G4 for Verizon (VS986) will have different bands than the LG G4 for AT&T (H810) -- but it's STILL an "LG G4" with the same hardware specs. A Moto Quark is a Quark, no matter the radio bands. It's just a Quark for a different carrier. The Droid Turbo users in this forum had to get used to the idea there were "Quarks" (plural), not just the Droid Turbo.
This article was laughably wrong:
Why the Verizon-exclusive Droid Turbo is actually good for you
as was this one:
The Motorola Droid Turbo on Verizon boasts a 48-hour battery life
But Verizon still gets Motorola exclusives, and the latest, the Droid Turbo, may be the most desirable Motorola phone this season.
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There were HUNDREDS of articles all over the internet, copying and pasting Verizon's blather about an "exclusive" superphone.
But wait!
Droid Turbo not a Verizon exclusive after all, as Moto teases Brazilian launch
So, no "world-wide" exclusive! Besides the XT1254, there was also the "international" Moto Maxx XT1225. Also, Motorola then released the XT1225 as the Moto Turbo in another country, so even the "Turbo" name was not exclusive. (This was before the forums were split and we were all in one forum.) "I have the Turbo" < WHICH Turbo do you have? There's more than one!
But then knowing Motorola also released a U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 with easily unlocked bootloader -- with the same radio bands, same FCC ID as the XT1254 -- just threw them over the edge. There was a running 3 or 4 page argument, while I PROVED I was right. Mod warnings were actually given. But when I PROVED beyond a doubt the XT1250 had the same FCC ID as the Droid Turbo XT1254 that shut up the naysayers. FCC ID don't lie.
For those who don't know, there's the American Disabilities Act (ADA), and how handicapped people are able to use communication devices regulated by the FCC is linked to huge fines, potentially even prison sentences, and of course multi-million dollar class action lawsuits. That was actually where I first found the FCC ID for the XT1250, on a website for hard of hearing/deaf people. If two devices have the same FCC ID, they are the exact same device with no difference whatsoever. Companies like Motorola/Lenovo are not going to risk the liabilities to get something like that wrong.
ADA Compliance
WHAT IS ADA COMPLIANCE?
The Department of Justice (DOJ) published the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) Standards for Accessible Design in September 2010. These standards state that all electronic and information technology must be accessible to people with disabilities.
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Telecommunications Access for People with Disabilities
Do companies need to review all their products and services for accessibility and usability?
Yes. Accessibility and usability must be assessed for individual products and services. Accessibility features that can be incorporated into the design of products or services with very little or no difficulty or expense must be put in each and every product or service.
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To the U.S. government, it doesn't matter what model name you have, what model number for a communications device. The FCC ID is the identifier. No matter what Verizon says, the FCC ID shows the truth.
I am very happy to help people. And I am not a dev, by any means. But Verizon users knowing about this XT1250 alternative is going to save a lot of people some grief now that Verizon has locked out the Sunshine bootloader exploit. (Unless the Sunshine devs pull another trick out of their magician's hats and find another exploit.)
The 2014 Motorola Quark (XT1254/XT1250/XT1225) is still an excellent Android phone with a compilation of features that make it a winner. It was basically the 5.2" version of the whale Moto Nexus 6 -- and even with a bigger battery! Used/refurbs can be found for well under $200. Just this week, two more custom Marshmallow ROMs came online for the Quark (AOKP and Bliss), besides the CM13 and Marshmallow Resurrection Remix. All the Quarks except for the XT1254 Droid Turbo have easily unlocked bootloader. For the Droid Turbo only those on SUTL-44 firmware can be unlocked via Sunshine. But if you need Verizon and can't find an XT1254 with SUTL-44 (or lower, which can be upgraded to SUTL-44) then you can easily use an XT1250 instead of XT1254, unlock bootloader, root, install custom ROMs, etc.
Another XT1250 user on Verizon:
Bliss ROM
RL_Wells said:
I have the xt1250 on verizon...
my phone appears to be kicking a-- now.
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Chazz, you are absolutely a prince. Can't thank you enough! Seriously, I am having the *exact* same argument on a drone forum - I spent $200 swapping out a part to make my drone now identically capable to a higher model, and those who have my original model absolutely refuse to believe it. I meant the thread as a PSA about how easy and cheap it was so upgrade, but it's the SAME deal - those who are "stuck" (though in the drone case, they could easily upgrade, they'd just rather be stubborn) just aren't willing to consider the truth. I had to post live feed downlink videos to prove my point! But like you, I finally did.
Her refurb XT1250 seems even snappier than our XT1254s, perhaps because it's recently hard reset, but it's just a great phone. AND......I didn't even have to unlock/root it because wireless tethering just WORKS without having to do anything
Man, thanks again!!!

XT1254 in Europe

Hey,
I'm planning on getting an XT1254 Turbo. I'm coming from a Moto X 2014. Reasons are mostly battery life.
I've only found the XT1254 and XT1250 that are still selling online. I would prefer to get the .54 as I'd like the extra storage. As far as I read over here, the XT1254 is the Verizon version, XT1250 the Verizon Unlocked GSM version, and then there's the XT1225 that's the International version Moto Maxx/Moto Droid Turbo.
There are absolutely no more XT1225 online to buy as far as I searched, so I'm kinda set with the XT1254 which would be the Verizon version.
My carrier is Vodafone, in Europe.
Would I encounter any particular problems as far as carrier compatibility, GSM/LTE bands and such? Will it work on LTE on either of the available bands?
Would I be better off using the XT1250?
Thanks!
LE: All's good. See thread and last post.
inkmars said:
Hey,
I'm planning on getting an XT1254 Turbo. I'm coming from a Moto X 2014. Reasons are mostly battery life.
I've only found the XT1254 and XT1250 that are still selling online. I would prefer to get the .54 as I'd like the extra storage. As far as I read over here, the XT1254 is the Verizon version, XT1250 the Verizon Unlocked GSM version, and then there's the XT1225 that's the International version Moto Maxx/Moto Droid Turbo.
There are absolutely no more XT1225 online to buy as far as I searched, so I'm kinda set with the XT1254 which would be the Verizon version.
My carrier is Vodafone, in Europe.
Would I encounter any particular problems as far as carrier compatibility, GSM/LTE bands and such? Will it work on LTE on either of the available bands?
Would I be better off using the XT1250?
Thanks!
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XT1254 = XT1250. They have identical hardware. The only difference is software. The XT1250 is not a Verizon phone.
XT1254: Officially locked bootloader (unlockable via Sunshine for a fee), unlocked SIM, CDMA and GSM capable.
XT1250: Officially unlockable bootloader, unlocked SIM, CDMA and GSM capable.
As for band compatibility, your best bet would be to look up the bands your carrier uses and the bands that the phone you're considering is capable of receiving. However, just for some anecdotal evidence, I took my XT1254 to Germany, Sweden and Czechia using a German SIM card that I bought, and the phone worked perfectly in all of those places.
TheSt33v said:
XT1254 = XT1250. They have identical hardware. The only difference is software. The XT1250 is not a Verizon phone.
XT1254: Officially locked bootloader (unlockable via Sunshine for a fee), unlocked SIM, CDMA and GSM capable.
XT1250: Officially unlockable bootloader, unlocked SIM, CDMA and GSM capable.
As for band compatibility, your best bet would be to look up the bands your carrier uses and the bands that the phone you're considering is capable of receiving. However, just for some anecdotal evidence, I took my XT1254 to Germany, Sweden and Czechia using a German SIM card that I bought, and the phone worked perfectly in all of those places.
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Also for the op...
The XT1254 and XT1250 bands are the same. I've posted them many times. LTE bands 2,3,4,7,13. Plus some HSPA (not as many as the XT1225), and CDMA.
XT1250 is 32GB only.
XT1254 is 32GB and some 64GB.
XT1225 is 64GB only.
If you're getting the XT1254 for additional storage, double check it's a 64GB model. Most are not.
Really appreciate it. Thanks for the info.
On a side note, does anyone know any other way of getting an XT1225 apart from ebay/amazon? I've also tried google searches; ended up on other selling platform sites but still nothing. Not even in used state.
Also, if it helps, I have a 64 GB XT1254. On the phone it says model: XT1254, type: M0DFE. That type number might help you distinguish between the 32 and 64GB models, but I don't know that for sure.
inkmars said:
Really appreciate it. Thanks for the info.
On a side note, does anyone know any other way of getting an XT1225 apart from ebay/amazon? I've also tried google searches; ended up on other selling platform sites but still nothing. Not even in used state.
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https://swappa.com/buy/moto-maxx-unlocked
There's a few used ones on here.
Never mind. I misread the site.
TheSt33v said:
https://swappa.com/buy/moto-maxx-unlocked
There's a few used ones on here.
Never mind. I misread the site.
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I wish. But I appreciate it
Just out of curiosity, why are you set on the Turbo/Maxx? There are plenty of better options out there.
PMed as to not clutter the thread
Found an XT1254 in great condition but the seller states it's carrier locked in Verizon. There's no way past that and make it work in Europe with other carriers, right?
inkmars said:
Found an XT1254 in great condition but the seller states it's carrier locked in Verizon. There's no way past that and make it work in Europe with other carriers, right?
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He's wrong. No Verizon postpaid LTE phones have been carrier locked since 2012 FCC agreement.
I can show you YouTube videos and an XDA thread from November 2014 (just after release) showing Droid Turbo running on AT&T, T-Mobile and Sprint. The Droid Turbo is not and has never been carrier locked.
No Verizon postpaid LTE phones are carrier locked (since 2012), or Verizon would have to pay hefty fines.
There's a lot of ignorance about carrier locked and bootloader lock. Many people don't know the difference. Plus Verizon infamously used to carrier lock their contract/postpaid phones (but haven't for about 5 years).
And yes, if you search the internet you will find a lot of those ignorant comments. Even here on XDA we had to educate people.
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he's wrong. No Verizon postpaid LTE phones have been carrier locked since 2012 FCC agreement.
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Interesting.
Well, he doesn't seem sure if it's locked or not. I asked him to head over to Verizon and see if it's locked and, if that's the case, to tell me the unlock-fee. He just said that he's not familiar with the process and that he won't do it. As for me, I probably won't be able to do anything with the unlocking process since I'm in Europe. He's in the US.
I'm committed to buying it but If all fails and it's indeed locked, are my hands tied or am I able to do something from my end when it arrives?
Thanks again.
inkmars said:
Interesting.
Well, he doesn't seem sure if it's locked or not. I asked him to head over to Verizon and see if it's locked and, if that's the case, to tell me the unlock-fee. He just said that he's not familiar with the process and that he won't do it. As for me, I probably won't be able to do anything with the unlocking process since I'm in Europe. He's in the US.
I'm committed to buying it but If all fails and it's indeed locked, are my hands tied or am I able to do something from my end when it arrives?
Thanks again.
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My comments stand. Search here on XDA for Droid Turbo on other carriers. I'll try to find a post.
---------- Post added at 08:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:45 AM ----------
Here you go:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/help/psa-droid-turbo-att-network-t3448833/page1
I know that post talks about AT&T a lot, but the point is the Droid Turbo has NEVER been carrier locked. But a lot of people think Verizon still does that. They're not allowed to, as a specific condition for having access to more LTE spectrum.
I didn't even think it was possible, so it didn't cross my mind to search for it. My bad!
Thanks for all the info!
inkmars said:
Found an XT1254 in great condition but the seller states it's carrier locked in Verizon. There's no way past that and make it work in Europe with other carriers, right?
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There is no such thing as a carrier locked XT1254. Verizon is legally required to keep them carrier unlocked per an agreement they have with the FCC, and I'm pretty sure that asshole who runs the FCC hasn't gotten around to dismantling that requirement yet.
EDIT: Oops, missed a whole page of discussion. Ignore me.
Just bought the XT1254 that I mentioned earlier. Will do a follow-up when it's here and all's good. Thank you everyone.
inkmars said:
then there's the XT1225 that's the International version Moto Maxx/Moto Droid Turbo.
There are absolutely no more XT1225 online to buy as far as I searched
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This was why I bought my third XT1225 new in the box back in early 2016 -- as a backup phone, just so something like this wouldn't happen. I bought it while there was still a little supply available on eBay.
My wife and I have the other two as daily phones.
That third phone still new in the box. Whenever I decide to sell it, someone will be very lucky.
ChazzMatt said:
This was why I bought my third XT1225 new in the box back in early 2016 -- as a backup phone, just so something like this wouldn't happen. I bought it while there was still a little supply available on eBay.
My wife and I have the other two as daily phones.
That third phone still new in the box. Whenever I decide to sell it, someone will be very lucky.
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Yeah I realized I woke up too late to get a .25 or even .54s that are new in the box. Got the 2014 X back in 2015...time flew fast.
I would I'm planning on getting a 2nd one at some point soon...and the xt1225 would be better Promise I'd take care of it as if it was my baby.
Updating
1st XT1254 arrived yesterday with 5.1 official. Will probably settle in a few days, then take the OTA to MM since I heard there are some battery improvements there too so it won't hurt. Soon after I'll Sunshine it and move on to cr most probably.
Factory reset it and popped in my Vodafone SIM from my Moto X2 and after a few seconds I got 4G without any settings changes on my end. 'Global' was already set by default so that was probably why it worked straight away.
Googled beforehand that Vodafone uses Band 3 and 20 here. Out of the ones that the XT1254 supports, only Band 3 is a match. So far I can't seem to notice any drawbacks from having only one out of two available 4G Bands, so all's good.
I ordered a 2nd XT1254 soon after the first one as I found even a better price and at 64GB instead of 32GB. This one will arrive this Tuesday and I'm optimistic it will be smooth sailing regarding Carrier/4G compatibility like with the 1st Droid.
Just out of curiosity I went into SIM Status to check the signal strength and compare it to my Moto X2 which has an amazing coverage. They're both sitting at -96.
So for anyone having doubts about Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 working to its fullest in Europe or anywhere else besides The U.S, just check your Carrier's supported 3G/4G bands and see if you have any match.
Any SIM card other than Verizon will work just as well as with a Verizon one. Only thing that you'll get is a notification every time you reboot the phone stating that the inserted SIM is not from Verizon. Dismiss and get going.
One other thing you'll want to check if you have issues calling someone is to head over in to the Dialer Settings and search for that one thing that will add prefix to the phone number (I forgot its name, but you'll find it easily). Even if you set the correct country you're in, you still might have issues calling. Just disable it so that it won't add any prefixes and you're good to go.
Thanks a lot @ChazzMatt and @TheSt33v for all the help.
inkmars said:
I ordered a 2nd XT1254 soon after the first one as I found even a better price and at 64GB instead of 32GB. This one will arrive this Tuesday and I'm optimistic it will be smooth sailing regarding Carrier/4G compatibility like with the 1st Droid.
Any SIM card other than Verizon will work just as well as with a Verizon one. Only thing that you'll get is a notification every time you reboot the phone stating that the inserted SIM is not from Verizon. Dismiss and get going.
Soon after I'll Sunshine it and move on to cr most probably.
Thanks a lot @ChazzMatt and @TheSt33v for all the help.
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Glad to be of help!
You'll like 64GB much better. Besides extra storage, all the 64GB Quarks have ballistic nylon + kevlar underneath, not just the kevlar backing.
I'm pretty sure installing custom ROM will take care of the Verizon annoyance SIM card notification.

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