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Hi there,
I've bought this phone some months ago, first smart phone ever.
At the time I didn't pay much attention to all the rooting, rom, apps options, mostly because I had no idea what all this was about.
Now I'm getting curious, if only because the performance of my phone aren't exactly fast. If I keep the wi-fi off, battery has a decent duration, but I wouldn't call this phone extremely responsive or a phone with a smooth experience. I've replaced the launcher with something lighter, removed wallpaper, sounds, tried the kill task application (and learned that probably isn't a good idea after all, in fact I uninstalled it).
So, long story short, I started looking for a more robust way to take control of my phone and I've got here.
I understand I need to get root administration privileges in order to have more control on what I can or can't automatically run.
But at this point I'm also getting interested about rom, updating the UI which some more elegant, minimalist theme (I don't like Andoird 4.2.2 UI).
After some research on line it seems to me that with the gt-i8200n I can't run any rom. Yes, I can root it, probably at that point optimize it, but it seems I've to forget about customization or new android system releases.
Is that true?
Thanks for any clarification.
Best,
Andrew
Alright, I keep doing my homework. So, if I still want to customize my gt-i8200n without using any ROM, I think I can do it using Xposed.
I'm reading about Xposed right now, but it seems promising.
Anyone? I though the gt-i8200n had some users after all..
Wow, two days no help.
I get that people is busy, but it just seems to me no one is going to help.
bummer
it's becouse it's a not common version of the s3 mini, my cousing haves one, the only thing you can do to speed up a little bit the 8200 it's using Greenify to hibernate apps, cuz it's kinda ****ed up that there's no roms for that version.
xposed is awesome mate. Iv had androids for a while now and the first thing I used to do was find a rom, but for my last phone and my current z3, I rooted and xposed it and Im more than happy.
Sorry, cant help with a rom for you gt-i8200n though :/
Hello,
I am a bit new in this modding, I still have 1 year warranty on my Z3C. I saw that I can officially unlock my bootloader thru sony.com. My problem is that will I be able to remove all the bloatware, disable a few google apps and so on after rooting the phone? I just found a few little bugs after updating my Drive or Maps, it is not showing the user who is logged in. I can cleary see that there are a few apps what are draining my memory or my battery. Is there any kind of application what is blocking the packets? I would like to keep the current ROM, I just wanna modify it a bit.
Thanks
golemka said:
Hello,
I am a bit new in this modding, I still have 1 year warranty on my Z3C. I saw that I can officially unlock my bootloader thru sony.com. My problem is that will I be able to remove all the bloatware, disable a few google apps and so on after rooting the phone? I just found a few little bugs after updating my Drive or Maps, it is not showing the user who is logged in. I can cleary see that there are a few apps what are draining my memory or my battery. Is there any kind of application what is blocking the packets? I would like to keep the current ROM, I just wanna modify it a bit.
Thanks
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Depending on where you live(mainly in EU), unlocking the boot loader doesn't void your warranty. Where I'm at I never heard anyone being refused warranty despite the bootloader being unlocked.
If I was aware of how much better my phone would have been with a custom ROM like LineageOS(beware, BT calls are not working yet) or CarbonROM, and to get rid of ALL google crap running in the background and sending in my data (if you want to, you can still flash GAPPS and get the google stuff) I would have done that last year.
Warning though, if you decide to unlock your bootloader, make sure to back up the DRM keys (there is a thread about it), otherwise you will never get them back. If you unlock your bootloader you will lose some Sony stuff, and that will make the camera functions a bit worse. Personally I don't think there was much difference (Z3c camera isn't great to start with compared to my other phones), but there are photo samples for you to compare.
Just by rooting and flashing without unlocking bootloader, there are some ROMs with less bloat. But you will not be completely free.
BrotherZero said:
Depending on where you live(mainly in EU), unlocking the boot loader doesn't void your warranty. Where I'm at I never heard anyone being refused warranty despite the bootloader being unlocked.
If I was aware of how much better my phone would have been with a custom ROM like LineageOS(beware, BT calls are not working yet) or CarbonROM, and to get rid of ALL google crap running in the background and sending in my data (if you want to, you can still flash GAPPS and get the google stuff) I would have done that last year.
Warning though, if you decide to unlock your bootloader, make sure to back up the DRM keys (there is a thread about it), otherwise you will never get them back. If you unlock your bootloader you will lose some Sony stuff, and that will make the camera functions a bit worse. Personally I don't think there was much difference (Z3c camera isn't great to start with compared to my other phones), but there are photo samples for you to compare.
Just by rooting and flashing without unlocking bootloader, there are some ROMs with less bloat. But you will not be completely free.
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So there is no option to keep the factory ROM and just simply uninstall bloat and Google Apps?
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So there is no option to keep the factory ROM and just simply uninstall bloat and Google Apps?
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I have not done it myself, but I heard it's possible with Titanium Backup. Not sure if it works on system apps though (like Play, which is usually the biggest resource hogger and snooper for google).
https://www.howtogeek.com/115533/how-to-disable-or-uninstall-android-bloatware/
I've read through reviews, and this looks like a great phone, and the fact that it is a small phone makes it better. But will I be able to have at least root & TWRP without any major downsides?
The camera apparently loses quality, but is there a Gcam HDR+ yet?
If you stay on stock rom, the camera quality will stay the same if you use the DRM-fix.
You'll loose the ability to do OTA updates, tho.
YeshYyyK said:
I've read through reviews, and this looks like a great phone, and the fact that it is a small phone makes it better. But will I be able to have at least root & TWRP without any major downsides?
The camera apparently loses quality, but is there a Gcam HDR+ yet?
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The DRM fix made by sToRm// works on any firmware (next release) and any XZ device.
The DRM that sony installed is broken when you unlock your bootloader and sToRm//'s fix enables it. So there is no loss of quality with the camera, it's exactly as stock. The DRM is fixed or broken, the camera is fixed or broken, there is no half way 'dodgy' pictures that people imagine.
Yes, you won't receive any OTA updates if your phone is rooted, but there is Xperiafirm and Newflasher, to keep you up to date. Then reflash with sToRm//'s app and you're good to go.
In the old days you wanted to root your phone to control all the battery eating apps, but Google/Sony have been aware of the drive to extend battery life for a long time now and with a few exceptions, changing the configuration of the services will probably make your battery worse not better. The battery life on the XZ1 compact is the best of any phone I've had, straight out the box, no tweaking required.
The only other main driver for rooting your phone was to be able to customise it and change the framework colours, but you can do that without root now.
Be sure you want to root you phone for the right reasons, not because it's fashionable, or because you want Xposed installed so that when you press the volume the flash comes on.
There's a chance you'll break your phone in the process, so is what you want to root your phone for important enough to have to buy a new phone for?
I'm not trying to put you off, but if you read sToRm//'s thread, there's loads of people getting into a real mess trying to root when they don't even know what ADB is. They've unlocked their phones, broken the camera, but now stuck unable to get the fix to work. Don't go there.
If you want the Google +HDR camera, check out russel5's [XZ1C,G8441,Lilac]AOSP_8.1 rom, which comes with it baked in
Didgesteve said:
Yes, you won't receive any OTA updates if your phone is rooted, but there is Xperiafirm and Newflasher, to keep you up to date. Then reflash with sToRm//'s app and you're good to go.
In the old days you wanted to root your phone to control all the battery eating apps, but Google/Sony have been aware of the drive to extend battery life for a long time now and with a few exceptions, changing the configuration of the services will probably make your battery worse not better. The battery life on the XZ1 compact is the best of any phone I've had, straight out the box, no tweaking required.
The only other main driver for rooting your phone was to be able to customise it and change the framework colours, but you can do that without root now.
Be sure you want to root you phone for the right reasons, not because it's fashionable, or because you want Xposed installed so that when you press the volume the flash comes on.
There's a chance you'll break your phone in the process, so is what you want to root your phone for important enough to have to buy a new phone for?
I'm not trying to put you off, but if you read sToRm//'s thread, there's loads of people getting into a real mess trying to root when they don't even know what ADB is. They've unlocked their phones, broken the camera, but now stuck unable to get the fix to work. Don't go there.
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There are a few apps that require root that I'd like to use, and a lot of tweaks via TWRP flashing. The main reason really is underclocking the XZ1C, because I really don't need that much power, even if the battery life is already insane.
Thanks a lot though!
With Android getting more optimized and efficient, as well as more feature packed every day; Do you guys (long time rooters like me) feel that root is necessary, or could provide better performance and or battery (obviously it can, but enough to matter?)
This issue is being discussed in many threads and you had to make your own?
I gave up on root with my last phone. Too much hassle, no longer the reward that made it cost effective. And with so many apps checking for root and not working as a result, I gave it up.
My major reason for going with root was more options and functionality. Both of those have pretty much been addressed for me. I don't see the need to overclock my chip anymore, I don't really need TiBu, Tasker works for what I need it to do without root, and, with the advent of the various theme stores and apps, I don't feel the need to flash unsigned zips.
So no, I don't need to root any more. Truly have no complaints on stock anymore.
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This issue is being discussed in many threads and you had to make your own?
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That was exactly what I was thinking.
lazarus0000 said:
I gave up on root with my last phone. Too much hassle, no longer the reward that made it cost effective. And with so many apps checking for root and not working as a result, I gave it up.
My major reason for going with root was more options and functionality. Both of those have pretty much been addressed for me. I don't see the need to overclock my chip anymore, I don't really need TiBu, Tasker works for what I need it to do without root, and, with the advent of the various theme stores and apps, I don't feel the need to flash unsigned zips.
So no, I don't need to root any more. Truly have no complaints on stock anymore.
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Thanks for your input, I'm on the OG Pixel rooted, and I agree with you on newer phones. On this, it's a hassel just updating to newer security patches lol
I root for titanium backup and root explorer. Mostly TB.
I started rooting my phones with the OG droid and in the beginning root was almost a necessity I rooted my droid, droid x ,x2 , droid razr, galaxy s3 and s4 but after my s4 I switched to At&t so I could get the s6 active and the active models were never popular enough for someone in the root community to find a root exploit so I was never able to root my s6 active, s7 active or my s8 active and after going through 3 phone without being able to root I got used to the lack of root access and I also noticed all the things I needed root to do were standard features now so as much as I enjoyed the whole process of rooting my phone at this point i feel like phones dont really need root access anymore. That being said if a root exploit is found for the note 9 I would for sure give it a try, i just got my note 9 and the note line being far more popular than the active line I am hoping someone finds a root exploit just so I can play around with my note and root it for old times sake lol
with root to run exposed's xprivacy(lua) , unless there are alternatives
I choose samsung pay and pass rather then root...
Not really necessary to root now.
for adblocking system wide u can use adhell 3
for youtube adblocking u can use youtube vanced
so no need for root really
I started rooting with the OG DROID. Rooted DINC2, HTC ONE M7, GNEX, Note 3 (maybe 4 I don't remeber), S7, and S8. Like others have said. Most of my reasons for rooting have been eliminated. I only rooted my s8 for the dual speaker mod (note 9 has stereo speakers) and to use volume keys to skip music tracks and to extend battery life. I'm a regular user of YouTube Vanced and Ad Hell also. So unless some really awesome mod is made, if and when SD version gets rooted, I have no reason to root. Note 9 I get just over 20 hours of use before it dies without turning on power saving mode, and it should be noted that I use my phone for everything since I don't have a pc.
I actually got the SD note 9 with the expectation that it will not be rooted seeing that Samsung has really been making it hard the last few years.
Yes, I would not use an android without root, likewise iPhone is useless for me without jailbreaks.
lazarus0000 said:
I don't really need TiBu, Tasker works for what I need it to do without root,
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Tasker? Are you kidding me? Can't even properly freeze apps with it.
Titanium Bu is still crucial to slim down the load on any android device, especially from using a stock rom.
jult said:
Tasker? Are you kidding me? Can't even properly freeze apps with it.
Titanium Bu is still crucial to slim down the load on any android device, especially from using a stock rom.
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I found in my experience that getting rid of bloat ware is more of ridding myself of an offense, rather than opening up more space in my storage. Ridding myself of Facebook, Hancom office, Samsung browser, etc, makes me feel better because it's offensive that Sammy puts that crap on the phone and, until recently, you couldn't uninstall them (still can't uninstall the browser and Samsung specific stuff). But the space they take up is miniscule - a few hundred MB at most. Sure, when 8 GB was the standard for a phone, that stuff made a bit of a difference. But now that 64 GB is the standard, and you have up to 512 available, a few hundred MB isn't a big dent. And being able to disable apps, though not as satisfying as uninstalling crapware from MY phone, gets the job done.
It's a cost / benefit analysis for me. I can spend hours rooting, uninstall all that nonsense, make a few backups, flash a few zips - that's satisfying in the same way that tinkering with my car used to be. But it introduces instability to the system, custom ROMs aren't always as polished as they should be, and closes me off from some apps that I want and won't play well with root, like Netflix, my banking app, Android Pay, etc...
So long as I can get my phone themed to get rid of that blinding whiteness (#WhiteUIMustDie!) and, IMHO, Samsung's gawd awful color scheme (straight from the 70s Halloween!), disable or uninstall the worst of the offenders (Facebook, I'm looking @ you), and have an awesome phone that's stable and does what I want, root isn't really worth it to me. Cost outweighs benefit.
Go back 5 years and that's a different story. Up until my last phone, I wouldn't even consider purchasing one that was locked down. But times have changed and I'm OK with the status quo now.
I don't really think about it anymore which is weird. The only thing I miss (which is more than just root of course) are the really creative ROM scenes of the early Note and others 4-5 or so years ago. It felt like a different space. Even jailbreaks happened with frequency.
Now the manufacturers have upped their security game but along the way they took a lot of the best features that came from early rooting and ROMs. The Note is so packed at this point it's not easy to think of additional features I need.
However, if I couldn't get system wide adblock through VPN I'd consider leaving unrootable devices.
For me root is nice to have for apps like Viper because the N8 sounds bad without it. That and things like Lucky Patcher, ad block, and quite a few other apps that allow me to turn my phone into a server.
I feel that root is still a necessity to get the maximum use out of my device. If I upgrade from my Nexus 6P to the Galaxy S10 next year, it will be with the expectation that someone out there will find a root or bootloader exploit.
Pros:
-debloat all the crapware Sammy installs
-install ROM/mod to activate flashlight with power button with screen off (absolute necessity for me)
-full Tasker support
-increase number of quick toggles
-Viper4Android (you haven't really listened to music on a phone until you've used this app)
-maintain Google/Samsung Pay support with MagiskSu
Cons:
Be careful when updating unless you're on a custom ROM.
hinnn said:
I choose samsung pay and pass rather then root...
Not really necessary to root now.
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I tend to agree, rooted every phone I have owned until my S8+ when I decided not to.
Same with Note 9
root is always needed imo for various reasons
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-maintain Google/Samsung Pay support with MagiskSu
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Samsung Pay isn't compatible with root, as soon as you root you trip Knox and you lose Samsung Pay forever, even if you unroot/flash stock (because Knox has been tripped once).
Good morning (or evening according to timezones)
I have recently purchased a new Note8. Even though the performance is mostly great, I sometimes get lag/stutters and the battery is not that great ( I can get about 3h SOT), but if I don't have my charger with me, there's no chance to get home with the phone still on.
My question is if it is still worth it to root the phone and put a custom Rom on it. I have looked through the various custom rom threads and I am tempted to flash one.
However, my main concern is the banking applications (saw that some don't work anymore after rooting).
At the moment I am on the latest official rom (with the october security patch). I mention that I have no warranty (phone bought from other country), so that shouldn't be an issue.
Any thought please? I have been missing from the android scene for a long time, went IOS there for a while, so I am not sure how to proceed.
Thank you in advance to anyone kind enough to read all this
Bogdan
My Note 8 is the first Samsung phone I haven't rooted as I didn't feel the need to! It's quick and my battery lasts all day (I do have it on medium power saving) and have no problems at all. The Device Maintenance seems to very efficiently clean things up for me when it does get a bit sluggish and I do a restart about every couple of days! I'm very satisfied with my SM-9500 256 GB dual SIM from China! I charge wirelessly every night and use my phone as my bedside clock ...
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My Note 8 is the first Samsung phone I haven't rooted as I didn't feel the need to! It's quick and my battery lasts all day (I do have it on medium power saving) and have no problems at all. The Device Maintenance seems to very efficiently clean things up for me when it does get a bit sluggish and I do a restart about every couple of days! I'm very satisfied with my SM-9500 256 GB dual SIM from China! I charge wirelessly every night and use my phone as my bedside clock ...
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Thank you for your reply. I also use the device maintenance and reboot it occasionally, but battery life seems to he a hit and miss for me. I do keep the phone at max resolution and with a lot of sync on, but what would be the point of having a powerful device if we don't use it
I am also a bit surprised as to the low number of custom roms available. Not complaining or anything, but looking back to my old note 2 experience, there was far more enthusiasm at that time. Though android did get better since then
No benifit... after rooting you can havw viper sound modes (most imp) if you are music lover ..i haven't found anything interesting after rooting. I use stock room with no app removed and only viper4 android install. So there no point of rooting
melavdev said:
No benifit... after rooting you can havw viper sound modes (most imp) if you are music lover ..i haven't found anything interesting after rooting. I use stock room with no app removed and only viper4 android install. So there no point of rooting
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Thank you. I'll probably leave the OS alone for now
usually i always end up not rooting for the first 4-6 months due to warranty stuff.
But the moment i rooted, i've gained at least a 20-25% increase in battery life with the usual control one can have.
If it's for cosmetics, dont need root anymore for that. not much on exposed, things like Good Lock make it stay away from root edits.
I personally root for a few apps that i use, which some of them have better features when on root. and also for debloating.
Unless you are a developer or a tech hobbyist, I don't see the point in rooting current android devices as they work perfectly fine straight out the box.
Well, when rooting you gain total control, and can run some nice and useful apps that require root, I like viper4A, but as you pointed out, some apps do not run on rooted devices, banking and streaming apps among others, and of course, there is the one very important component that you loose for ever, secure folder