Hi all.
My question is about kernel sources. I know devs can do magic if the sources are out there.
So, does Xiaomi typically give kernel sources? When would they do that? And especially why?
I am trying to understand how Xiaomi stands in that regard.
Cheers!
They are some of the worst. Even when they do release it, it is broken or incomplete. No one that has any choice buys their devices.
zelendel said:
They are some of the worst. Even when they do release it, it is broken or incomplete. No one that has any choice buys their devices.
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I have now filed a complaint with the XDA admins, asking them if they think it's ok with moderators that keep posting falsified information and non constructive nonsense. You are certainly lowering the quality of the threads. I don't know why, and I don't care why - but please help making XDA a better place instead of posting things no one wants to read.
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I have now filed a complaint with the XDA admins, asking them if they think it's ok with moderators that keep posting falsified information and non constructive nonsense. You are certainly lowering the quality of the threads. I don't know why, and I don't care why - but please help making XDA a better place instead of posting things no one wants to read.
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Did you not understand zelendel answer Removed or because of your room temperature IQ
Ch0rus said:
I have now filed a complaint with the XDA admins, asking them if they think it's ok with moderators that keep posting falsified information and non constructive nonsense. You are certainly lowering the quality of the threads. I don't know why, and I don't care why - but please help making XDA a better place instead of posting things no one wants to read.
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You can think what ever you want but my comments are very much true. If a developer is looking for a device to develop on Xiaomi is is avoided due to their lack of following the GPL. Think I am wrong why not have a read HERE where we talk about it in length.
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I have now filed a complaint with the XDA admins, asking them if they think it's ok with moderators that keep posting falsified information and non constructive nonsense. You are certainly lowering the quality of the threads. I don't know why, and I don't care why - but please help making XDA a better place instead of posting things no one wants to read.
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Oh, another wannabe keyboard warrior... Take a note from your own Removed words and stop posting Removed no one wants to read.
Let's not resort to swearing or insulting someones possible English please.
Cheers
nevermind
Slagathor said:
So, does Xiaomi typically give kernel sources?
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Yes, for some.
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When would they do that?
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Typically 6 months after device release.
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And especially why?
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No idea. Their selection criteria which device source to release also remains unrevealed.
maybe 1year after the release of Mi5. Thats what they did with Mi3 right?
The kernel sources are published. Are they complete and are they useful for the dev(s)?
here are the kernel sources
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/gemini-m-oss
zelendel said:
They are some of the worst. Even when they do release it, it is broken or incomplete. No one that has any choice buys their devices.
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@thunderrr0 I know they are published but I have not found anybody who can tell whether the sources can be used or are broken.
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@thunderrr0 I know they are published but I have not found anybody who can tell whether the sources can be used or are broken.
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Only developers will know for sure unless you download the source and try to build it as is. Most of the time there takes lots of fixes and hacks to get it working. Main reason most developers won't buy their devices.
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just a subj... is it possible the some developer just take a rom which weas made by someone else and announce as his one achivement? (sulerly, some minor ganages could be done in the rom)
how to identify the thief?
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just a subj... is it possible the some developer just take a rom which weas made by someone else and announce as his one achivement? (sulerly, some minor ganages could be done in the rom)
how to identify the thief?
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It's not really stealing i guess as long as you put out credits of the people who created it, or by asking permission from the developers.
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It's not really stealing i guess as long as you put out credits of the people who created it, or by asking permission from the developers.
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if the "owner" has not been aware about any usage of his rom, is it faire to thread the rom? "credits" are given when a team were worked out the rom, or when you take the result of someone's job and just say "hey, i take it" ?
in my opinion, it is situational and depends on the context.
A =/= B =/= C
But they could share similarities that most people would agree something was done morally wrong. I guess you could share with us the situation then we can give a better opinion?
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I guess you could share with us the situation then we can give a better opinion?
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i just wondering is there a sort of "widly known gentelmen agreement" about such situations. and the second matter is to get an idea how both parties (both developers) can get "a profitable solution" for both (= peace)
In my opinion, the developers community should be honest for it members. And other users have to proud for the achievments of this community. All team's results would be better, than results of each developer. That's why they should be together ^.^
PS sorry for bad english, I hope you understand my meaning
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That's why they should be together ^.^
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all should be together with all ... sounds impossible
the problem is HOW can others results be used for making app / rom etc?
what is allowed to do and what is forbidden (ethically)?
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all should be together with all ... sounds impossible
the problem is HOW can others results be used for making app / rom etc?
what is allowed to do and what is forbidden (ethically)?
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To work together - allowed, to use with proper credits - allowed. To edit build.prop and post as own rom - not. I think so.
NikkyNine said:
To work together - allowed, to use with proper credits - allowed. To edit build.prop and post as own rom - not. I think so.
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that is what i intended to clarify
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just a subj... is it possible the some developer just take a rom which weas made by someone else and announce as his one achivement? (sulerly, some minor ganages could be done in the rom)
how to identify the thief?
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If you suspect something, you can always go and compare files.
Technically you can do whatever you want since android is open source.
Ethically it isbetter to consult with rom owners about using parts of a rom and credit them offcourse
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Psyloid said:
Ethically it isbetter to consult with rom owners about using parts of a rom and credit them offcourse
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if someone did not done it (consult) before he take a part of rom, what will happen? does it mean that othe other community will declare a boycott against him? or just say "you'd better stop doing it"?
Of course you're all talking about the Rom owners, Google... Right? Or perhaps HTC? I would be very surprised if any Rom posted in our dev thread have asked Linus Torvalds personally if they could post a derivation of his operating system here.
You don't see too many credits to those 3 either...
It's public domain, nobody here has built a Rom entirely from scratch all have borrowed from the community and the source, and if they offer even one piece of code that's new, I say good on them, they are contributing to the community, and the community will take from and build on that too.
But let's cut to the chase, why are you asking the question? You're planning to contribute? Or are you here to point the finger at someone for stealing your creation?
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if someone did not done it (consult) before he take a part of rom, what will happen? does it mean that othe other community will declare a boycott against him? or just say "you'd better stop doing it"?
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They come to your house and stab you in the back.
Lol !!!
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if someone did not done it (consult) before he take a part of rom, what will happen? does it mean that othe other community will declare a boycott against him? or just say "you'd better stop doing it"?
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Like everyone has stated, being a open source code and that no one in here is making profit from the roms, (on this site at least i can not speak for the world) it is really a null point of theft everything is free you can not steal something that is owned by the public. As well if you plan on taking something from a rom I would strongly suggest that you ask, and give proper credit were it is due. personally if i worked on a project and someone was using my development with no permission or credit i would publicly humiliate them in anyway possible so that the ass who "stole"
my work would never be able to call it his own again. As well the XDA community is great group of people who if you steal anything from another rom with no permission will find out and ostracize you for your pathetic attempt to pass of someone else's blood sweat and tears as your own.
Nuff said lol
Welcome to
The LG Optimus 4x HD Updates Discussion Thread
The purpose of this thread is to provide a singular location to talk about all updates for all regions. There is no need to create a new thread for every update for every region. Just discuss it here in this thread
Rules:
Keep discussion relevant and to the point.
Keep discussion as factual as possible.
Only post if your post can add value to the over all thread. IMPORTANT this one
Asking questions is not encouraged directly in this thread. Those should be posted in the Q&A subforum.
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Sorry mate but you have just done a direct quote of my HTC One thread, hyper-links included. Why you didn't you just make your own baffles me.
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Sorry mate but you have just done a direct quote of my HTC One thread, hyper-links included. Why you didn't you just make your own baffles me.
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Ha ha ha. What a ****-up :banghead:
How about reporting this guy (he could give credits or make a new one).
I'm on mobile right now, so I can't do it.
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Omario-242 said:
How about reporting this guy (he could give credits or make a new one).
I'm on mobile right now, so I can't do it.
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Not worth reporting, threads of this type are unnecessary anyway, not sure why op copied that thread(they left the [/QUOTE] at the end lol), its not a lot of words to write yourself.
I don't think LG will update this phone anymore, maybe just one more but nothing major like to 4.3 or anything. Do we really need this thread?
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Keep discussion relevant and to the point.
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So far the thread is going pretty well! But I must admit, that is an amateur mistake! - Next time, change the hyper links. then none of this would have happened! :good:
"The purpose of this thread is to provide a singular location to talk about all updates for all regions. There is no need to create a new thread for every update for every region. Just discuss it here in this thread"
You can't discuss all updates in one place, you need to maintain some order. It's not convenient if one person talks about v10A, other about v10H and the third one talks about v20A, and all that in one thread on the same page. Subthreads are necessary in these situations. You can make a general thread about this phone where you can discuss about different visual themes or such less-relevant things, but official updates/ROMs/kernels need to be subthreaded because it's easier to find specific information you're looking for. After all, that's the true purpose of threads and subthreads, isn't it?
OP, if you realise and looked at the past, there's already a well used and discussed thread for this purpose. Of course its title can be tweaked a little.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2143311
Lock this thread please.
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Not worth reporting, threads of this type are unnecessary anyway, not sure why op copied that thread(they left the
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at the end lol), its not a lot of words to write yourself.[/QUOTE]
if threads are unnecessary, might break some rules, or whatever you think might be wrong, then it is worth reporting
that's exactly the point of this button.
many people think the report button would be "holy", and you would only be allowed to press it in "worst cases". but, in fact, the opposite is the case. most mods are thankful you hitting the report button. FSM's are splitted my manufacturers, "our" FSM team has to deal with all sony(ericsson), LG and Motorola sections, so the chance for seeing something going wrong is ~0.
sorry for the heavy OT, but i just had to let it out now
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OP, if you realise and looked at the past, there's already a well used and discussed thread for this purpose. Of course its title can be tweaked a little.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2143311
Lock this thread please.
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nice idea, do you have an idea about a modded title, 'cause i'm clueless ATM
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nice idea, do you have an idea about a modded title, 'cause i'm clueless ATM
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Click the edit button of your OP, then on the next page where you'll usually edit your post, edit your Title field.
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Click the edit button of your OP, then on the next page where you'll usually edit your post, edit your Title field.
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i do know how to edit my posts, but i meant if you'd have an idea about title itself
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i do know how to edit my posts, but i meant if you'd have an idea about title itself
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HAHA!! i see. how abt "official LG rom discussion thread"? lol but the current title is good enough imo, having the contents that really counts.
Just saying....
So.... 2 pages so far and not really anything in the way of discussion regarding O4X updates.....
I tend to side with the view that LG are far more likely to concentrate future efforts on new devices rather than issue significant firmware updates to existing models; by cell phone handset standards, the O4X whilst still very capable and adaptable is already something of a dinosaur where age is concerned.
What keeps us going is the excellent work done by the devs and custom rom artists
Folks - I've read great things about the Cataclyst ROM but found the official thread on it had been closed by an XDA moderator. If I install it and run into issues, would there be some people supporting it and what thread?
Thx
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Folks - I've read great things about the Cataclyst ROM but found the official thread on it had been closed by an XDA moderator. If I install it and run into issues, would there be some people supporting it and what thread?
Thx
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No. Hence the closed thread. The dev left XDA.
ouch so i guess no further versions of his rom then?
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ouch so i guess no further versions of his rom then?
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I don't want to sound like a douche... But re-read my last post.
*IF* he's releasing still, it's not on XDA and directing people via post to anywhere off-site is at least frowned upon (if not prohibited).
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*IF* he's releasing still, it's not on XDA and directing people via post to anywhere off-site is at least frowned upon (if not prohibited).
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Maybe we should let @atl4ntis know that we love to see him back in whatever XDA thread or XDA (sub)forum. Not only for his work, but also because he is a helpfull and nice person.
Possibly his XDA account is still active.
We could mention him in our posts so he knows we do not forget. At this moment we have to respect his decision because he is hurt.
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Maybe we should let @atl4ntis know that we love to see him back in whatever XDA thread or XDA (sub)forum. Not only for his work, but also because he is a helpfull and nice person.
Possibly his XDA account is still active.
We could mention him in our posts so he knows we do not forget. At this moment we have to respect his decision because he is hurt.
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The mention might work unless like most of the more senior members he has mention notifications turned off.
Can anybody please tell me what happened?
His rom is perfect as it's stock with just enough amount of customization.
Sad that he left.
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Can anybody please tell me what happened?
His rom is perfect as it's stock with just enough amount of customization.
Sad that he left.
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As I understand it there was a dispute with another dev and that lead to a dispute about whether or not his rom was original work. XDA moved it to the non original section and he decided to abandon the project.
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As I understand it there was a dispute with another dev and that lead to a dispute about whether or not his rom was original work. XDA moved it to the non original section and he decided to abandon the project.
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Here in the Netherlands @atl4ntis was popular. The Dutch press praised him for his 'cataclysm mod'.
The bulk of the problem was that he claimed his work was all original, yet refused to provide evidence to back his claims. Before anyone starts in on the "Apache license doesn't require sources" line, I know he was within his rights to refuse to show his sources. However, if you don't show sources, how can you reasonably expect anyone to believe your work is original?
The XDA staff made the right call here. If you refuse to prove your work is original, your work doesn't get to be located in the Original Android Development forum. In any event, this will be a moot point going forward as all new devices will only have one development section. That said, the mods and/or admin should be going through all device forums that have both an Android Development and Original Android Development subforum, and merging the two subforums into one.
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Folks - I've read great things about the Cataclyst ROM but found the official thread on it had been closed by an XDA moderator. If I install it and run into issues, would there be some people supporting it and what thread?
Thx
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You can go here; we'll be glad to help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/info-cataclysm-mod-dead-t3307703
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... If I install it and run into issues, would there be some people supporting it and what thread...
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=http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3307703
Hi Everyone,
As we are aware about Dirty Unicorn Rom & Now we have there RC build which is based on android 8.1.
I have personally tested it for a complete day , Battery backup and performance wise thats a great Rom.
Interested one can visit this page and give a try.
https://plus.google.com/+AlexCruz/posts/99hzQ57M9az
Supported device : Oneplus 3 , 3T , 5 , 5T.
First Look and review:
If you would read the posts, you would know that they don't want people to post anything about DU on XDA.
AcidNoteZ said:
If you would read the posts, you would know that they don't want people to post anything about DU on XDA.
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Oh dear, why is that??
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Oh dear, why is that??
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They mainly just don't agree with how XDA runs things, you can read more about DU on Dev's Base, stuff like that. That's where they post stuff.
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They mainly just don't agree with how XDA runs things, you can read more about DU on Dev's Base, stuff like that. That's where they post stuff.
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Almost, read this.
This is a Quote from a Post.
Back in early September of 2016 there was a situation between a friend of mines and XDA. This friend’s name is Nate Benis or better known as Beanstown106. Nate or should I say “Beans” as I call him was upset that a individual had taken his work and posted it on XDA prior to him releasing his official build. He really got upset. This was probably the first time that I had seen Beans upset in public. He normally keeps his thoughts private and so I was surprised. He pulled his source off github and took to G+ to call this guy out.
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Almost, read this.
This is a Quote from a Post.
Back in early September of 2016 there was a situation between a friend of mines and XDA. This friend’s name is Nate Benis or better known as Beanstown106. Nate or should I say “Beans” as I call him was upset that a individual had taken his work and posted it on XDA prior to him releasing his official build. He really got upset. This was probably the first time that I had seen Beans upset in public. He normally keeps his thoughts private and so I was surprised. He pulled his source off github and took to G+ to call this guy out.
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What post was that, if you don't mind linking.
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What post was that, if you don't mind linking.
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https://medium.com/@mazdarider23/anti-xda-stance-16a0e1867f5b
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https://medium.com/@mazdarider23/anti-xda-stance-16a0e1867f5b
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That was a good read.
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That was a good read.
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So what do you think about it?
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So what do you think about it?
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Not much. Alex didn't like XDA's direction, which seems fair. Creates new site to recreate what once was, admin gets upset, escalates things. Too much drama for me.
I wholeheartedly agree with the "glorified tech support" thing though. It seems most people here can't even pull up proper logs when they have issues. "issue here plz fix o kind dev."
I think XDA has become more of a tech site instead of an actual developer website, albeit developers still post here. If you look at Dev's Base, it doesn't have the completely off topic posts that XDA does. Not saying its a bad thing that XDA does, it just seems Dev's base is a dev site not a tech site.
What firmware are you all using on the new Jan18 build?
Have you tried and success to install Viper4android or any audio mod ?
..
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Stop discussing this, read the beginning of the thread. No discussion. You can go to their G+ for that. Mods should close thread.
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Stop discussing this, read the beginning of the thread. No discussion. You can go to their G+ for that. Mods should close thread.
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Dude bugger off. They don't care if we discuss it. As long as no links to downloads are posted here. Look below a few threads and you'll see a discussion about DU that was active over a year. Never got shutdown cause it didn't violate any rules. I don't know why we needed a new thread though.
Stop trying to act all hard. Noob
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Dude bugger off. They don't care if we discuss it. As long as no links to downloads are posted here. Look below a few threads and you'll see a discussion about DU that was active over a year. Never got shutdown cause it didn't violate any rules. I don't know why we needed a new thread though.
Stop trying to act all hard. Noob
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Sorry if I came across harsh, and discussion is allowed. Just don't see the point of doing it here, when you could get responses from people who actually develop this ROM over on their G+. That's what I really meant, don't see point in this thread. Discussing it is allowed.
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it just seems Dev's base is a dev site not a tech site.
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Yet.
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Yet.
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IDK, the large majority of Dev's Base seems to not be there for "tech" stuff. Considering the current lead of the site, I doubt it will change either. Its possible though.
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IDK, the large majority of Dev's Base seems to not be there for "tech" stuff. Considering the current lead of the site, I doubt it will change either. Its possible though.
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It's only possible to keep the site that way if it remains small or if they ban every new user that doesn't know enough.
Looking at their G+ page and at what some DU users ask here on XDA, it's clear not everyone is a genius. Allow normal users to create accounts and install your fancy ROM and then you have a typical XDA thread with dumb questions.
The rom zip has been removed from their download area, is there a problem with it
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The rom zip has been removed from their download area, is there a problem with it
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Nope, it seems there is enough feedback for this RC... (I read that on their Google+ but don't remember where).
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I wanna know if oxygen os custom rom will be available to port for rog phone 3 ??
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I wanna know if oxygen os custom rom will be available to port for rog phone 3 ??
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LMFAO. What going on with xda? Buy a op if you want oxygen os.
Saifuddin114 said:
I wanna know if oxygen os custom rom will be available to port for rog phone 3 ??
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A shirt won't fit on like trousers!
These type of responses are 'what happened to xda'. This forum was a place to help and support users. Devs would get exposure, release apps and software without need for playstore. Users would provide feedback as testers and a few would pay or donate. It's become a place for snarky responses to questions that may be innocent. Everyone starts somewhere, no question is wrong, it's just a question.
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These type of responses are 'what happened to xda'. This forum was a place to help and support users. Devs would get exposure, release apps and software without need for playstore. Users would provide feedback as testers and a few would pay or donate. It's become a place for snarky responses to questions that may be innocent. Everyone starts somewhere, no question is wrong, it's just a question.
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Sorry if i asked something wrong
purple patch said:
These type of responses are 'what happened to xda'. This forum was a place to help and support users. Devs would get exposure, release apps and software without need for playstore. Users would provide feedback as testers and a few would pay or donate. It's become a place for snarky responses to questions that may be innocent. Everyone starts somewhere, no question is wrong, it's just a question.
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Well said.
Op, just noticed on the xda news feed that a variety of devs have been sent devices specifically to work on custom roms. So good news ahead for you.
I'm on the Zenfone 7 Pro and hope there's a better chance they can be as easy to make run on this device
Saifuddin114 said:
Sorry if i asked something wrong
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No you did nothing wrong. Was a good question. I don't have answer sorry
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No you did nothing wrong. Was a good question. I don't have answer sorry
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No problem
cd993 said:
Well said.
a variety of devs have been sent devices specifically to work on custom roms. So good news ahead for you.
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They also did this with ROG 2 and we get broken Lineage and this is it.
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They also did this with ROG 2 and we get broken Lineage and this is it.
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Ahh I see..
Slightly off topic but heard that the Havocos dev has a zenfone 7 Pro, which could be good news for both devices perhaps!