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This is sorely tempting - never have to use the MD again and still have plenty of spare space!!
http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/12/09/transcend_crams_16gb_onto_tiny.html
Sweet!! Last year 1GB was mainstream, now it's 2GB but it's raising very fast.
I'm waiting on 8GB to be in store, but 16GB sounds more interesting.
apd said:
This is sorely tempting - never have to use the MD again and still have plenty of spare space!!
http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/12/09/transcend_crams_16gb_onto_tiny.html
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No, I don't think it would work. Our device is only capable of accepting either the MicroSDHC (with an adaptor) or MiniSDHC.
SDHC's physical dimension is too large to be slotted into our device.
you can get a convertor from sd to micro sd its being on these forums before but this is a good price for anyone looking at the shift to improve batterylife and increase storage for that as it uses sd as far as i remember
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No, I don't think it would work. Our device is only capable of accepting either the MicroSDHC (with an adaptor) or MiniSDHC.
SDHC's physical dimension is too large to be slotted into our device.
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They will presumably bring out Mini and Micro versions in the not too distant future....
spzero said:
you can get a convertor from sd to micro sd its being on these forums before but this is a good price for anyone looking at the shift to improve batterylife and increase storage for that as it uses sd as far as i remember
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scissors or pocket knives?
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They will presumably bring out Mini and Micro versions in the not too distant future....
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Let's hope it's not too distant in the future.
converter from sd to micro or mini.. google search just comes up with mini to sd adapter, ie wrong way round. im getting an athena, and i dont need the space, but would be cool to have the possibilty of paying 60 quid for 16 gb of storage.
and to think, 2 years ago, november 2005, i got a 2gb ms pro duo for my psp and k750 for 80 quid in singapore, when 1gb were 100 quid.. now look lol
should work if it comes in our size miniSD or microsd w/adapter.kaiser is rated up 32gb and i think the athena is the same.
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converter from sd to micro or mini.. google search just comes up with mini to sd adapter, ie wrong way round.
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I did find one once from a no-name mfr in China or Taiwan. It was basically a Mini-SD card with a flat ribbon cable coming out of it into a PCB that had an SD adapter on. I assume it would work, but looks like it would break apart within 5 mins. And added to the fact that you would have to leave the flap open on the athena compartment.
Not quite 16GB yet, but the 12 GB microSDHC is already out. See this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371700
any capacity will work, provided the device supports sdhc. 32gb is the official (so far) limit on the sdhc capacity
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any capacity will work, provided the device supports sdhc. 32gb is the official (so far) limit on the sdhc capacity
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My understnading is that 32 gb is the limit of the current os. Once we upgrade to wm7 this will no longer be applicable.
32gb is the official purported maximum capacity of the sdhc standard, though this 'wall' may be lifted in future (2terabytes if you believe wikipedia). It is certainly not os specific.
I think 32 gigabytes of data storage should be overkill for most people anyway. It seems many people have ample media and software on their microdrive and still have 50 percent left, though if my ssd vs sdhc poll is to be believed some people would like 64gb of storage on their Athenas: whilst this is all good for showing off, in real terms such a large amount of storage would be fairly pointless to the average joe. Only video files could realistically swamp such a chasmic void of memory and who really wants to keep films they've already watched on their hard drive (unless of course it's a particularly good film)?
This principly applies to any phone, pda or multimedia device. One use for which i do propose to use a 32gb sdhc is in my eee pc. Provided the write speed of a class 6 card is fast enough i will use one to install xp and give me the extra space for program files and dowmoads that i crave
leoni1980 said:
32gb is the official purported maximum capacity of the sdhc standard, though this 'wall' may be lifted in future (2terabytes if you believe wikipedia). It is certainly not os specific.
I think 32 gigabytes of data storage should be overkill for most people anyway. It seems many people have ample media and software on their microdrive and still have 50 percent left, though if my ssd vs sdhc poll is to be believed some people would like 64gb of storage on their Athenas: whilst this is all good for showing off, in real terms such a large amount of storage would be fairly pointless to the average joe. Only video files could realistically swamp such a chasmic void of memory and who really wants to keep films they've already watched on their hard drive (unless of course it's a particularly good film)?
This principly applies to any phone, pda or multimedia device. One use for which i do propose to use a 32gb sdhc is in my eee pc. Provided the write speed of a class 6 card is fast enough i will use one to install xp and give me the extra space for program files and dowmoads that i crave
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32GB is the maximum native partition size for window ce 5.0.
32GB is actually not difficult to fill once you start collecting musics, pictures and videos in a serious way. How big is iPod's biggest storage? Larger than 32GB I think. If I have that much space, I would convert all my old CD's and put all my CD in storage for good (may be will bury it for 200 years and have it sold as antique for a fortune then ).
Pictures is another story. It can only grow. I seldom want to delete them ever. My children's photo, no matter how old, must be kept for ever.
Another thing that I must mentioned is the video capture requirement. If you use your video camera, you will notice how quickly the disk storage get used up.
I won't be complaining about having too much disk space for this reason.
I still remember those early days when all we had on our IBM PC was a floppy and could'nt fantom why anyone could use a 10MB harddisk that cost $15,000. When my boss acquired a 100MB notebook, we all said he was insane because nobody should ever need so much space. Then, he went 1 GB! That was unthinkable. I'm seeing the same thing here. When the space is available, we will somehow find use for it, may be slowly, but surely.
May be 5 years later, we can look at this post again, and see if this is true
I agree space, however big can slowly be filled up for being social beings, one way or the other, we will be sentimental on things which we hold dear to us regardless how junk it may be for some other people.
What we are actually seeing here is the old evolution of storage space coming to life all over again. Different it may seem right now because of the difference in medium and usage but I agree with Eaglesteve. It may sound insane now but five years from now, it may look funny not just to us but to those that will replace us that we even talk about these things.
The beauty about having billions of people in this world is that in terms of economies of scale, it is faster to develop technology for everyone to use. Even if a small percentage will adopt a certain size of storage, it is already enough to make it economical for every one to use.
Even if there is a limitation in the OS that we are using right now, who's to say that it will not change in the future. It used to take MS 5 years to develop a new version of the Win CE OS. We have seen how fast Win CE evolved and we already have 1 whole version upgrade every 2 years or so. Every 6 months MS announces an aku upgrade on certain new devices. For me this is very good news, for the average joe this is nothing because he doesn't really care. His only concern is being able to use what he has. Actually the average joe is afraid of change. He wants his life to be better but is afraid of the sacrifices needed to make it better.
We, along with the minority are at the forefront of technological evolution. We are the early adoptors because we have the foresight to see the possibilities technology has in store for all of us. If we stop and become complacent, we will become the average joe and eventually get buried in the mass of zobies or sheep that the average joe really is.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion however crazy or educated they may be. However, an opinion may be shared by not just one or two but also by millions or maybe billions. It maybe that the average joe for now may crave for 8G storage whatever the medium. It may also be that people like leoni may think Asus eee may be a good replacement for the athena. But let us not forget, there are many more not voicing their opinions on this or any topic in and outside the forum.
The vocal ones maybe the catalyst for now but it is the masses or those affected by the mass marketing campaigns of businesses that will ultimately decide the future. Let us not forget though that for there to be a future for every one, we, the visionaries and early adoptors must constantly look choose for the best out there for us and influence others to our thinking. In doing so, we ensure that there will be a future for what we believe in. This is the essence of a forum. This is the reason we are here but then again, this is just my opinion.
Hi, can anyone who's replaced the HDD with an SSD please post their experiences here. What differences have you found? Was it worth it?
- is the Shift more responsive or reliable?
- does it go to and return from sleep much faster?
I've been using an X300 with SSD for the past month and i couldn't imagine going back to HDD now. Would love to get SSD working in my Shift too but want to make sure the benefit is actually clear before making the $$$ investment!
Hi salmon,
i´m with you. I have some SSD HDD installed in my CarPC, 2 in my Servers and one in a Fujitsu Notebook. All of them works well. The last that i bought was the OCZ 2.5" 128GB SSD,
is not bad, but not really good, so they use the cheap Memory modules.
what for a SSD manufactor/ model you think about to build into your shift?
I think about this too, but if there no solution to become WM6.1 stable on the shift, I think the better way is to look to the other "Net-PC´s" that much more cheaper with the same features.
Hi joy.d,
I'm with you on that one. Since i got my Lenovo X300 with almost instant on/off standby functionality and super light chassis and SSD it's really shown up the Shift... i still haven't lost all hope, but have been eyeing up an Eee PC lately thinking "wow, just think how much money i could have saved!".
I do like the tablet form factor of the shift though and want to invest a bit to see if some of it's flaws can be overcome.
ok But which SSD you would like to use for the shift? 5000 series from Sandisk? (very slow)
I'm using MTRON MSD-PATA3018-ZIF2. I'm happy with the performance. The HDD index of Vista is 5.9.
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see here some hints:
http://www.dvnation.com/microatapics.html
I see, the Fujitsu-Siemens (Fujitsu) Lifebooks P7120, P1610 ans so on have the same connector. A micro-ATA connector. I found on Ebay some 32 Gigabyte SSD´s with micro-ata connector. But no 64GB. Maybe there is a small adapter cable to attach SSD´s with ZIF /PATA to micro-ATA...
here the adapter:
http://shop.ebay.com/sis/_W0QQ_kwZN...1Q2e8Q22Q20CFQ2fIDEQ20hardQ20driverQ20adapter
http://cgi.ebay.at/1-8-ZIF-harddisk...3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2|65:1|39:1|240:1318
so you can use cheap 64/128GB 1,8" SSD with ZIF Connector.
Modding Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebook P7230 to ZIF SSD
http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12497
only question: there a 2 Versions: SATA and PATA Harddisks with the same ZIF connector. what works?
Waiting for my MTRON SSD to be delivered
I had ordered a MTRON Mobi3000 32GB 1.8" SLC SSD around 3 weeks ago for my Shift. Spoke with the supplier yesterday and they say it will be another week. This has a ZIF2 connector, not sure how different this is to a plain ZIF connector... we will see.
Very interested in boot times. I put Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs on my shift and have boot times of 20~25 seconds with the HDD, expecting sub 5 with the MTRON.
Paying $410 AUD delivered for the SSD
as far as i know for MTRON MOBI 3000 , zif ---> zif2 for mobi can be refered as 8mm-->5mm.HTC shift use ZIF2 for mtron.
japan got a lot of mobi 3000 32gb slc zif2 around 2man yen.
i plan to get one soon. but it seems the 64gb for zif 2 from others brand out too.
here is the demo for htc shift for mobi 3000 32gb slc!!
i seen this page long time ago though ,just forgot to link it here.
http://travelx.org/htc_shift/htc_shift.html
benchmarks also got!! use the google translator to translate it.but pictures said everything ^_*
Anyone knows where the compact flash card on one of the picture is from?
Is it from Snapvues internal storage?
If it is it would be easy to change it with a larger card and then be able to get a lot more storage on WM6 side?
Maybe I'm far off, but I just got the idea. Sorry if it has already been covered before
Kakemann
He wanted to use that storage card as a HD, but the cable was to short.
It's not a default item in the Shift.
If you search for naked shift or something like that, you will find pictures of if
bosmen means, that the WM6 side has fixed memory inside mounted, not changeable, the compact flash to zif adapter with 32GB compact flash was a Idea to have a cheap HDD replacement of the slow 40GB HDD from HTC, but there is the originaly mounted ZIF cable to short.
Im shure, the idea with CF Card is to slow.. (but a good cheap Idea ;-)
Just received my MTRON SSD
Just received my MTRON SSD after waiting about a month!
Will install it tonight so very keen to see vista boot times...
is ur vista business or home? home will definitely fly u out of windows (fast!) :}
SSD Vista boot time
Well have installed the MTRON SSD and restored the original Vista Business image with Origami and the MS Office trial. Now I am sure somewhere in Vista there is a utility to tell you the boot time, but I can't find it. So going by the unscientific watching the clock method of measurement it takes 2:05 to go from the 'press del to enter the bios' etc screen to finishing loading Origami (who actually is using that thing?). From memory that was taking 3:30 before hand.
Vista is really twitchy now. Very responsive to input - that is going to take a bit of getting used to.
can u post the benchmark read /write for mtron ssd ? wana know more the performance...
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can u post the benchmark read /write for mtron ssd ? wana know more the performance...
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you can look in my thread about HDD comparison for read performances.
any idea of another program than HD Tach for read/write perfs?
koala996 said:
you can look in my thread about HDD comparison for read performances.
any idea of another program than HD Tach for read/write perfs?
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use this on shift please? coz japan here use this to mark ssd
hcping said:
use this on shift please? coz japan here use this to mark ssd
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look on the screen in HDD comparison... he posts the result of HD Tach.
The site announce 100MB/s in read and write... it's about 85MBs for read.. I guess it is about 80MB/s for write
this model from samsung fits to - or not?
Samsung MCCDE64GEMPP-01A
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=161&partnum=MCCOE64GEMPP
So I have a SSD-Regular HDD setup for my home PC. My primary (local disk) is a 30GB SSD drive. I install all programs on my regular HDD, and I left the Windows 7 install on the 30gb SSD. Problem is, even though I don't save ANYTHING to the SSD it slowly fills up... and today it hit 0 bytes free. After some disk cleanup I was able to free up a gig deleting temp files etc... but it's still a bummer.
My question to anyone with a similar setup or some SSD know-how! What are the best steps to prevent these secret ninja files from piling up on my SSD? I'm thinking about reformatting and installing W7 on the SSD again, since everything is just saved on the other drive..
Plz/thankyou
Your SSD is severely hampered by being so full. Not only will it run slow but you are reducing it's life span as there is no free space for wear-levelling to take place.
A fresh install would be the way to go at this point, remembering that you really want to Secure Erase the drive before re-installing. The BETTER option is to buy an SSD that isn't smaller than a wart on a gnats ****. I would say 60GB is the minimum that you need for your primary drive. 120GB if you can afford it.
^What he said. Windows 7 AFAIK collects all of the DLLs in a central folder which is one of the reasons for the install to just get bigger and bigger. I'm on 36 GB of a slightly heavier used 50 GB partition than yours, but still almost no installs to the C: partition and stuff like that.
I am on a normal HD though. So yea, a bigger SSD is the easiest choice.
Thanks for the insight guys. I will be sure to invest in a larger drive... I was hoping 30GB was gonna be good enough. Guess not :/ Curse you windows
If i were buying right now i would get an Intel 80GB X-25M. As much as i love my OCZ Vertex i think they suck as a company with horrible customer support and an RMA process that would try the patience of a saint.
Intel also have the lowest returns rate for SSD of any company by a large margin. Fast, cheap and reliable. Intel ftw.
Oof, thanks for the heads up... I'm rocking a kingston (can you tell I'm a cheapass?) I guess I should actually pay for quality. :S And I was juuuuust looking at OCZ 60GB's
Just came from an lg g4. Got a 32 gb nexus 6 how is it on space how is 32gb going for you guys
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Just came from an lg g4. Got a 32 gb nexus 6 how is it on space how is 32gb going for you guys
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No issues here. I keep most of my photos in the cloud and I only keep two backups stored on the device.
Great here. Dont really use the cloud for much unless it's super important.
Please use thread titles. 3 threads you posted, none have titles. They're supposed to be descriptive.
32 gig
I have no issues at all for 32 gig, and I have 1300 MP3 on mine and I still have 12 gig left, depends on what you want to store. Some people think it's a laptop as far as storage, but like the other post said, you can always use the cloud.
You should be just fine
Hey guys I was wondering what is a good choice of memory to get. I'm thinking on getting the 32 gb but Im afraid of running out of space any suggestions?
You just answered your own question
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Hey guys I was wondering what is a good choice of memory to get. I'm thinking on getting the 32 gb but Im afraid of running out of space any suggestions?
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64 gb for sure. Don't even hesitate. [emoji4]
With no support for external sd cards always get the largest available space you can afford.
64gb.. it is too plenty...
Depends on what you will store on it. I have had my device now for a few months and still have 16 gb left.
I bought a 32 gb and found I had to be cautious when backing up etc. but, its manageable. I bought myself a usb otb microsd card reader for doing backups and storing large files to rectify that though.
I bought 32GB and I didnt even notice I had which one I had after awhile. Music: Spotify, Photos: Google Photos, Videos: Youtube, Game: Clash of Clans ONLY! Hahahahaha.
When no internet coverage, I just live with it, without any local storage, taking pictures or do something else.
While travelling, I only use my phones for Whatsapp/Telegram and taking pictures so I 'm good.
Of course those are my usage, if you need movies/musics while travelling go with 64GB.