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I have used Galaxy SL and am using Galaxy Note.
Many people were and are complaining about Stock Roms, either ICS or GB for both of the phones I use.
They say that Camera has a pink problem, GPS does not lock quickly, Video recording is not good, it is laggy, etc etc.
But same people are dying for CM Roms which have lots of bugs. Even CM 7.2 has wifi and video recording bugs for i9003.
Even stock Roms do not have those problems, and many latest stock roms are really good, people are not happy with them.
I do not see any reason to mention about Note stock Roms, especially ICS kernels and roms. They are very very stable without any bugs.
However, many people bricked their phones while they are trying to flash CM10 to their Notes.
OK. I accept that one year old stock roms were not good as much as they should be. But this is not the case anymore.
But still many people are ready to die for CM even if it has many bugs. They complain for stock but lose themselves for CM
Now, could someone please explain me what makes CM Roms that better? And even if they have lots of bugs people are using them as daily driver?
Regards
Maybe just for fun
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You obviously have not tried Paranoid Android.
ardicli2000 said:
I have used Galaxy SL and am using Galaxy Note.
Many people were and are complaining about Stock Roms, either ICS or GB for both of the phones I use.
They say that Camera has a pink problem, GPS does not lock quickly, Video recording is not good, it is laggy, etc etc.
But same people are dying for CM Roms which have lots of bugs. Even CM 7.2 has wifi and video recording bugs for i9003.
Even stock Roms do not have those problems, and many latest stock roms are really good, people are not happy with them.
I do not see any reason to mention about Note stock Roms, especially ICS kernels and roms. They are very very stable without any bugs.
However, many people bricked their phones while they are trying to flash CM10 to their Notes.
OK. I accept that one year old stock roms were not good as much as they should be. But this is not the case anymore.
But still many people are ready to die for CM even if it has many bugs. They complain for stock but lose themselves for CM
Now, could someone please explain me what makes CM Roms that better? And even if they have lots of bugs people are using them as daily driver?
Regards
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CM(At least CM9) is really quite stable on the note, I have never had any problems with it.
I personaly use it as my daily drive for a few reasons:
I find it gives better battery life
I Love the stock ICS look over samsungs touchwiz
CM9 uses much less RAM giving more ram for apps, giving better multitasking and also much more RAM for running a linux GUI
I have used CM roms since my HTC magic CyanogenMod 4 FTW! (infact I might have been running early than that but I really dont remember)
personally ive used CM builds but never felt like ive wanted to use them as my daily drivers because they just lack too many built in features of the stock rom
im not the type of person to get a stripped down rom and download 1000 apps to make it how i want it
id rather use the stock rom, only download 10 apps and have everything there
Mainly it uses a safe kernel which is emmc cap erase command disabled which prevents from our device from bricking.
In CM(/AOSP/AOKP most of the logging/Samsung crap applications were removed so that your phone runs fast. Its just about 140-160 MB. You can feel the difference in size. lol
Its very stable compared to other roms.
You will see a lot of features put it up in rom.
Etc Etc
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You obviously have not tried Paranoid Android.
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1+ touchwiz is only a great ui until you experience something different, something greater.
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as said from other users, best ROM for the International N7000 Galaxy Note is the ParanoidAndroid
I was using aosp in my smaller phones. Galaxy s2 for example because i can mod them like changong dpi and so on, and the stock rpms for gs2 were so bad, but with my new note i think the stock roms are more stable and battery friendly than aosp, also yhe kernel development for aosp isn't so great as fow TW Roms, and this my 1st reason to use stock, you know i was flashing 2-3 kernels/day in my s2
BTW: You can remove all crap in the stock rom to have agood rolunning rom.
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I was using aosp in my smaller phones. Galaxy s2 for example because i can mod them like changong dpi and so on, and the stock rpms for gs2 were so bad, but with my new note i think the stock roms are more stable and battery friendly than aosp, also yhe kernel development for aosp isn't so great as fow TW Roms, and this my 1st reason to use stock, you know i was flashing 2-3 kernels/day in my s2
BTW: You can remove all crap in the stock rom to have agood rolunning rom.
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I think in the same way also.
CM lacks lots of stuff from Samsung craps. That's OK. butn it also lack lots of thing I daily use.
Besides I tried ADW Launcher. It really sucks. Nova is far more better and smoother.
Also some people claim that it drains less battery and it is fast. It is obvious that they did not use Notecore v9 with TW
I thas been 1 day and I still have %70 battery. And can't tell how awesome it is. Just check the thread...
As for ram, my phone uses ram between 500-600 mb. There are still 200 mb rams. Which is fine and enough for me.
Also it is really easy to remove some crappy stuff from samsung when you are rooted. (to be rooted takes only three minutes or maybe less )
It is OK some people like it and use it. I am of course fine with that.
But what I mean is CM is not superior to stock or TW based Roms, at least not anymore...
Regards.
But I cannot understand why people like stcok roms with some modification
its all personal preference.
like spen/ intevration of pen and samsung apps use stock
like rom to be close to android original source and above mentioned advantages use cm9/aoskp. you wont have full spen and other samsung apps.
whichever you like
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baz77 said:
its all personal preference.
like spen/ intevration of pen and samsung apps use stock
like rom to be close to android original source and above mentioned advantages use cm9/aoskp. you wont have full spen and other samsung apps.
whichever you like
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Then the answer is that people prefer it because of their preferences
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No matter what rom i try, i always end up going back to CM.
The main reason i'm on CM is for the speed and the features.
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CM = AOSP. AOSP = Android how it was designed and intended to be.
For me, User Interface is the most important factor in choosing the OS. Android was far behind iOS and WP7. It changed since ICS and now JB made it even better than iOS. Pure awesomeness of WP7 interface is a whole other story, not commenting on the OS itself - its UI is simply amazing. Back to UI preferences...It has to be responsive, fast and well designed ( that means visually attractive and coherent ). For example, TouchWiz is terrible for me, it makes my phone look like cheap chinese rip-off. I'm sorry, that's just my opinion, i don't want to offend anyone. The only overlay i like is Sony's TimeScape, although i still prefer AOSP. Why ? Simply because it's better designed, coherent and smoother - so it makes my user experience a lot more satisfying.
For the Note, best ROM is still Paranoid Rom for me. Firstly because of the safe kernel and secondly I can easily overclock and under volt it without much hassles.
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Well it all depends...when I had the captivate Cm9 was by far the best experience. So I came to the note with the same expectations but sadly cm9 and the likes are still not on par with Samsung ROMs in speed or features.
I still flash newer versions as I expect them to be better at some point but at this time..still not there. I use CleanNote Rom.
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For the Note, best ROM is still Paranoid Rom for me. Firstly because of the safe kernel and secondly I can easily overclock and under volt it without much hassles.
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Which kernel do you use for over clocking?
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Before any of you say anything negative this isnt to bug other devs this is a thread for people to request/ ask for things me and the other devs to do after they have finished their other projects.
-Firefox OS
-LG UI(fix lockscreen)
-CM7
-Sense 4.1
-cm10.1 WiFi and Bluetooth
-cm10 WiFi authentication issue
-S-OFF
-Roms for cdma version
-Sense 4.1.2
Just pop requests underneath and ill update reguarly.
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Before any of you say anything negative this isnt to bug other devs this is a thread for people to request/ ask for things me and the other devs to do after they have finished their other projects.
-Firefox OS
-LG UI
-CM7
Just pop requests underneath and ill update reguarly.
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Sense 4.1 (If possible)
Shad0wPanda said:
Before any of you say anything negative this isnt to bug other devs this is a thread for people to request/ ask for things me and the other devs to do after they have finished their other projects.
-Firefox OS
-LG UI
-CM7
Just pop requests underneath and ill update reguarly.
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Hahaha, heres an LG UI Rom, iv'e had it for a while, just lockscreen doesnt work at all! so slide down NC and hit settings to unlock, then install a custom locker such as holo locker! I'll post in the dev threads when i can be bothered, but test that out..
http://d-h.st/2V2
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i think gettin bt and wifi implemented in cm 10.1 should be a good place to begin
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i think gettin bt and wifi implemented in cm 10.1 should be a good place to begin
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+1
but we really need the devs to go back to work
CM7 FTW
CM7 first ... it would be super buttery smooth for us ...
How are you so certain it'd be "buttery smooth"? Cuz I'm not sure, if not totally negative on that matter.
How are you so certain it'd be "buttery smooth"? Cuz I'm not sure, if not totally negative on that matter.
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Brnt you don't have to flash cm7... What's with all the gingerbread hate??
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I suggest we go back to XP then. It's going to run so much better on our new PCs!
It's not hate, you just get overexcited over nothing without even putting some though into it. Go on, prove me gingerbread will run smoother than JB/ICS, but without these facts your words are nothing.
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I suggest we go back to XP then. It's going to run so much better on our new PCs!
It's not hate, you just get overexcited over nothing without even putting some though into it. Go on, prove me gingerbread will run smoother than JB/ICS, but without these facts your words are nothing.
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I think you have your analogy wrong. Going from a newer version of Windows to an older version of Windows is pointless because...well...it's still Windows.
However, if you were to go from Ubuntu to, say, Slackware, you would definitely see a boost in performance because Slackware is far less taxing on the available resources. The same could be said about going from JB to GB. GB requires less resources and can therefore run smoother/faster on hardware designed for a higher version of Android. This is a well known fact throughout the Android community because nearly every JB or ICS based device has GB ROM development in some form or another.
It's still Android. Roughly 90% of the differences between JB/ICS and GB lie in the overall appearence, not the functionality.
IDEA
Or lets make CM10 even better
Like eliminate WiFi problems and hotspot problems etc :fingers-crossed:
What do you think?
S off would be good.
Not first priority though
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Phenziox said:
S off would be good.
Not first priority though
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It would be very useful though but it's more HTCs job
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@soupmagnet, i agree entirely with that statement, however, where is the desire coming from for having GingerBread Roms? if it was desired so much, then why not buy a gingerbread phone in the first place? Would've been cheaper and there are still devices on the market, some with faster processors then the Desire C, if you wanted GingerBread, should've bought a GB Device, you don't go buy a brand new Windows 8 PC to deliberately downgrade it to a legacy OS like vista and limit the features you have access to. It lacks all logic in all honesty.. You don't go to sell a phone after use being all like, Yeah it has 2.3.5 GB on it, or brag to your mates, yeah my device is android 2.3.5, fact is 4.2.2 is the best android so far, Android has only improved over time, GB on our device is like an i7 with vista, you just don't do that kind of thing..
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@soupmagnet, i agree entirely with that statement, however, where is the desire coming from for having GingerBread Roms? if it was desired so much, then why not buy a gingerbread phone in the first place? Would've been cheaper and there are still devices on the market, some with faster processors then the Desire C, if you wanted GingerBread, should've bought a GB Device, you don't go buy a brand new Windows 8 PC to deliberately downgrade it to a legacy OS like vista and limit the features you have access to. It lacks all logic in all honesty.. You don't go to sell a phone after use being all like, Yeah it has 2.3.5 GB on it, or brag to your mates, yeah my device is android 2.3.5, fact is 4.2.2 is the best android so far, Android has only improved over time, GB on our device is like an i7 with vista, you just don't do that kind of thing..
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The problem with your logic is that Gingerbread based devices (with a few exceptions) only have hardware that is capable of meeting the low demands of Gingerbread.
For many people, the worth of their device is in its functionality, not its "bragging rights". I will never have Windows on my computer simply because of the features it provides. I use Linux, because of it's speed, stability and and overall functionality. ICS and JB do have some nice additional features, but at a noticeable cost of available resources and stability, and the overall functionality is still nearly the same. While higher versions of Android do provide some "improvements", they are mostly linked to the user interface (which many people don't necessarily like) and there are very few performance improvements. So for you to say that it "lacks all logic" is, well, illogical in itself.
While you may like what JB and ICS have to offer and prefer that for your daily driver, I don't think it's fair to ridicule others' personal preference in Android versions, considering the majority of changes between these versions are exclusive to the UI and not Android itself.
Off-topic... naughty naughty
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Getting back on topic...
It would be nice to see more CDMA support though. I have a shell script, based on bin4ry's exploit, to root the CDMA variants, but it needs to be converted over to Windows' batch scripting language. If anyone wants to have a go at it, just let me know.
As far as ROMs are concerned, we can use the existing GSM ROMs, but a patch will need to be made. It wouldn't be that difficult to implement and would be much easier than creating all new CDMA ROMs.
The biggest problem would be getting a working recovery. I tried unpacking the existing (GSM) recovery and replaced the kernel with the phone's stock kernel but it didn't work out very well. I think a new recovery would need to be built from source, but I'm running into strange compile errors when compiling the stock kernel from source. I don't have experience building custom recovery so it's going to be challenging trying to figure everything out, but I think I can handle it.
Clearly, the need for CDMA support is low, but it's far from non-existent. I'm more than willing to take the reigns on this project, but I may have to take advantage of some of the experience around here, assuming there are those willing to lend a hand.
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The problem with your logic is that Gingerbread based devices (with a few exceptions) only have hardware that is capable of meeting the low demands of Gingerbread.
For many people, the worth of their device is in its functionality, not its "bragging rights". I will never have Windows on my computer simply because of the features it provides. I use Linux, because of it's speed, stability and and overall functionality. ICS and JB do have some nice additional features, but at a noticeable cost of available resources and stability, and the overall functionality is still nearly the same. While higher versions of Android do provide some "improvements", they are mostly linked to the user interface (which many people don't necessarily like) and there are very few performance improvements. So for you to say that it "lacks all logic" is, well, illogical in itself.
While you may like what JB and ICS have to offer and prefer that for your daily driver, I don't think it's fair to ridicule others' personal preference in Android versions, considering the majority of changes between these versions are exclusive to the UI and not Android itself.
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I stand corrected, thankyou for clearing that up for me, i never thought to look at it in this way, however, when you do get a working recovering, i do so believe i added cdma support in SHTD, the rom was both configured for cdma and for gsm, as it is in the build.prop also!, however a cdma aosp kernel would be needed
cm10.1 wifi bluetooth fixed would be a cool rom... Devs plz fix it... We noobs will be greatfull to you......:laugh::laugh::good:
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cm10.1 wifi bluetooth fixed would be a cool rom... Devs plz fix it... We noobs will be greatfull to you......:laugh::laugh::good:
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Don't rush them. They have other stuff to do. If you want it done, you could learn and try it yourself.
Hey guys,
since i'm currently a flashaholic and dont want to stick with sense rom's (i just dont like them, can't say why). I'm trying around a bit, mostly with GPe rom's.
But whats the real difference between GPe and CM based rom's?
- Which rom/version is more stable?
- Which rom/version got the better perfomance/battery life?
I know that CM based roms are having more features and looking nice (at least for some peoples).
But i want a overall good performance, stability and moderate batterylife.
Thanks in advice
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Hey guys,
since i'm currently a flashaholic and dont want to stick with sense rom's (i just dont like them, can't say why). I'm trying around a bit, mostly with GPe rom's.
But whats the real difference between GPe and CM based rom's?
- Which rom/version is more stable?
- Which rom/version got the better perfomance/battery life?
I know that CM based roms are having more features and looking nice (at least for some peoples).
But i want a overall good performance, stability and moderate batterylife.
Thanks in advice
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You've to try the roms for choose which is better.
Howeve the GE have some features like beats audio and some thing from sense, and the update are from htc with the latest release of android.
The CM rom have some features like the editing of status bar and so on, and are built from developers
Well, i dont hear that much music, so beats-audio is useless, not at all, but a bit.
I'm tired of testing around
Just thought you guys can share your experience with some of your used roms
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Well, i dont hear that much music, so beats-audio is useless, not at all, but a bit.
I'm tired of testing around
Just thought you guys can share your experience with some of your used roms
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The problem is that mod don't like thread as: which rom is better for you?
This rom have a better battery then this?
And questions like this
Yeah i know, but it actually isnt a thread like this
I just wanna hear some experience
Google play edition roms are built on HTC's framework, or they were when it released. AOSP roms are actually built from AOSP framework using the libs and drivers and device trees that have been custom built for the one.
So the foundation of the Google Play edition, the part the user never sees, is a lot closer to stock sense from HTC minus the interface and launcher, while CM and other AOSP roms are built from AOSP style source code (CM from their source, others from their own custom source code some of which is truly custom and some of which is modified from CM source)
There's a lot of advantages to running AOSP source code based romms if you're going for an AOSP rom, but theres also a lot of users that can't use adb or fastboot and don't want to learn how and don't care to read into a rom thread, and the google play edition stuff is nice for people who want a phone with a stock google launcher, that doesn't have the sense interface heft, and just want things to work with an out of the box type experience. You know the type, they don't do a clean install for six months and wonder why the headlights in their car blink and settings force closes when they press the volume rocker.
There are certain apps that will work with the GPE and others that will only work with AOSP source, so on and so fourth. Half the people are better suited for GPE rom's and stockish foundations and then the other chunk of the people only buy their phone so they wipe it till its raw getting HTC stuff off and get custom AOSP source based roms on instead. It all depends on the user and what's better fitted for their experience.
In your case if you're not running sense roms at all and you like to follow development from what I've seen because I've seen you on here a good bit, I'd get into some real AOSP for a bit and see how you like it. The good thing about AOSP is that it's infinitely customizable and any user that wants too could be theming in a week and compiling/merging source in a month and cooking roms for their personal use. Most people way less than that. That doesn't mean that the devs publishing roms don't have a lot of time in them, it's just much easier to compile and work with the source than the HTC source is and the senseish framework.
Thanks @CharliesTheMan Thats a pretty good answer
Well i liked CM/AOSP rom's on my other phones and never used stock-ish ones.
Well, mainly i use my phone for phoning around (no sh*t! lol), social networking, taking photos and derping around a bit.
I never used the sense-features (blink feed, zoe, beats-audio etc. - i like the gallery, but honestly.. i like quickpic much more, i like it minimalism), neither like the look of sense.
I'm just a bit scared of using an AOSP rom, i dont really now why.. maybe scared of phone-signal-breaks, quality breaks or something like this.
But to be honest, i have to test it by myself i know, like the performance, stability and battery - its stuff i have to test and figure out by myself, because everyone is using the phone not in the same way and everyone got other recommendation from a rom and i got the point you wanted to say with your post
Hi guys,
I know its really hard to create a new ROM and updating it and giving to users. But since the launch of Android 5.0 Lollipop I don't find difference between all major ROMs.
If there is difference, it is of the Bugs. Some ROMs got big bugs and some with small bugs. But rest is same. The looks the feel, everything same (Except MIUI - which is not on Android 5.0).
I have tried almost all of them. Thanks to all the devs. But my question is there any ROM which is unique???
I am getting same functions in all of them with same looks Even they are same in smoothness and working.
The difference is created by Cyanogen ROMs with theme engine, but now all ROMs now include that theme engine. So we are basically using the same ROM everywhere.
At the moment I am using DirtyUnicorn and I don't want to change because all the ROMs are same.
Is there any ROM which is unique??????? Any?????
Don't say that I should change theme or launcher. It just makes the availability of ROMs a joke.
I am still waiting for MIUI or Lewa if it arrives.
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Don't say that I should change theme or launcher. It just makes the availability of ROMs a joke.
I am still waiting for MIUI or Lewa if it arrives.
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If you dont like them then by all means make one yourself. Just wait MIUI is also gonna look alot like the rest. Android is made for you to change things to make it your own. So use a launcher and a custom theme or make your own rom.
Also if you are looking for verity then you should not have gotten a nexus. Get a Touchwiz or Sense device. This way you have more options.
See I do agree with you. Most roms are pretty similar when compared to back in the days of A4.2.
What I think is more important is the choice of kernel. Allowing the ability to over/underclock and control voltages automatically and many other things. I think learning how to use a kernel and it's various governers is what will separate phones.
I dont know why so little roms have cm profiles. It's a feature that have much more benefits than any theme engine
I'm a Brazilian without English Course, sorry and be comprehensive
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If you dont like them then by all means make one yourself. Just wait MIUI is also gonna look alot like the rest. Android is made for you to change things to make it your own. So use a launcher and a custom theme or make your own rom.
Also if you are looking for verity then you should not have gotten a nexus. Get a Touchwiz or Sense device. This way you have more options.
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See the second post.
I am not against devs and ROMs, but my only thought is that they are all same.
Even once we used to have great Paranoid ROMs with great features, but now it is nothing but same as all CMs.
With Android 5.0 Google has done something that is now killing Custom ROMs. The ROMs are becoming similar or I should say same.
MIUI is different because they are doing different, but all others are just mixing functions and giving you CM ROMs.
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See the second post.
I am not against devs and ROMs, but my only thought is that they are all same.
Even once we used to have great Paranoid ROMs with great features, but now it is nothing but same as all CMs.
With Android 5.0 Google has done something that is now killing Custom ROMs. The ROMs are becoming similar or I should say same.
MIUI is different because they are doing different, but all others are just mixing functions and giving you CM ROMs.
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Well first thing is MIUI is not really different. They are just coping others as well. Notice how they are still on KK? Yes many features are the Same in alot of roms and that is because users have come to expect those and Devs are working like crazy to get them moved up to 5.0 and working. As for them giving you CM roms that is where your wrong. Many have completely ditched CM roms sources due to their dumb ways of merging untested code.
I wont even talk about Paranoid android. They never came up with anything original.
Android at the base is all supposed to look the same. This is what Google Whats and got it with the nasty thing they call the Material design.
I saw your second post. My answer will still be the same. The days of themed roms are over. You are given a clean base to make it your way. So take that and make it yours with a theme and launchers and such.
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Well first thing is MIUI is not really different. They are just coping others as well. Notice how they are still on KK? Yes many features are the Same in alot of roms and that is because users have come to expect those and Devs are working like crazy to get them moved up to 5.0 and working. As for them giving you CM roms that is where your wrong. Many have completely ditched CM roms sources due to their dumb ways of merging untested code.
I wont even talk about Paranoid android. They never came up with anything original.
Android at the base is all supposed to look the same. This is what Google Whats and got it with the nasty thing they call the Material design.
I saw your second post. My answer will still be the same. The days of themed roms are over. You are given a clean base to make it your way. So take that and make it yours with a theme and launchers and such.
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What I really love about MIUI is that they are working in completely different manner. They are working hard on including new features and providing new looks and with a big market for customization.
Whereas CM are great too, and they are the base ROMs for maybe all the ROMs we are using right now.
I don't think Paranoid didn't did anything new, they gave us Hybrid ROMs. But with Android 5.0, they no more my favorites.
gautam.is.sharma said:
What I really love about MIUI is that they are working in completely different manner. They are working hard on including new features and providing new looks and with a big market for customization.
Whereas CM are great too, and they are the base ROMs for maybe all the ROMs we are using right now.
I don't think Paranoid didn't did anything new, they gave us Hybrid ROMs. But with Android 5.0, they no more my favorites.
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Almost no ROMs are using cm as a base any more. Miui is just taking ideas from iOS. They are even working on a whole new setup so they can release devices in the us without apple sue them out of business.
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Almost no ROMs are using cm as a base any more. Miui is just taking ideas from iOS. They are even working on a whole new setup so they can release devices in the us without apple sue them out of business.
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Copying is what they are doing for themes. I don't think that's bad. iOS is more Android, so if MIUI is copying the design then it's not the issue. Their environment is different. So do CMs.
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Copying is what they are doing for themes. I don't think that's bad. iOS is more Android, so if MIUI is copying the design then it's not the issue. Their environment is different. So do CMs.
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So let me get this straight. You think coping is ok yet dont like that all the roms "seem" the same to you?
IOS is more Android?
Your right their environment is different. They dont care what users want or say.
Cm is not even worth mentioning anymore really. They are fast becoming just as big a joke as MIUI in the android world. No one with any real thoughts of their own even use their roms anymore.
The problem is that we all think that the developers actually develop something.
The matter of the fact is that they only tinker with what Google gave them.
So I wouldn't hold my breath for a sense like rom that has its own framework.
No one has got time for that. Big things come from big companies. Or maybe from a team of good friends.
A long time a go a bunch of people gave us Theme Engine, Hybrid Mode, Profiles, PIE, Heads-up, Immersive mode and lots of stuff that was new at the time. I really believe that the creative process is, has been and will be strong on XDA - Developers... but i agree with the OP albeit for different reasons.
I think that as technology, products or processes are understood better, being innovative, creative or "disruptive" becomes harder:
1.- We (the consumer) demand a series of features that become standarized which tramples innovation
2.-And there is the thing with the source material P.E. There is so much a thinkerer can do with a hammer a 2x4 and a couple of nails... Same with android.
3.- As a technology matures the innovation rate diminishes. Look at clocks, TV, videogames or smartphones! Every year there are new models, but little game changing technology even when there are hundred of people working on with, fully paid and with the backing of big companies.
Science and technology advance is not linear... I think that we are on a low point on ROM innovation but to me, that only means that soon somebody will come up with something new and great.
Android roms are same?
Yes they are with a little difference in each and every rom ..coz they are built from the same mother source...AOSP...
Google itself builds it factory images from aosp with touch of google changes...
Every oem uses the aosp and modifies it to make sense, touchwiz, zenui etc etc...
Things have certainly changed in past few years when we only had cm pa pac man ..
Now we have 100s of options ..some developers even kind enough to merge our 'wanted' changes in their rom.
So instead of looking at this thing as 'all are same with little changes' , look it as a 'single thing with 100s of options/modifications' to exactly suit your needs.
Yes its confusing sometimes especially when you are a nexus user
Try a different oem if u want a great change on changing custom roms (migrating from touchwiz to vanilla android gives a wow feeling )
Of course they're 100 pretty much exactly the same roms out there. It's really hard to notice any difference among them. It´s all true. Also calling every room-cooker a developer is in my opinion little too much.
It's been already stated that if you want more variation is better to go for oem devices. however probably at the price of never getting fully working aosp/cm rom (unles we're talking about gpe devices). If you want variation go for flagship oems if you want to enjoy aosp go for nexus.
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Do you think all ROMs are basically same in Android 5.0??
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"Same" is a relative term like "IS".
A relative term is that it is different for different people or situations. An example: someone who is 5 feet tall might think someone who is 5 feet six inches tall is tall, but someone who is 6 feet would think that that person is short.
So I voted no, I don't think all ROM's are the same but they are definitely very similar.
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Agreed, there does not seem to be a lot of innovation in Lollipop ROM features. I have tried Euphoria, TeamUB, crDroid, Slim, RastaPOP, OminROM and XenonHD.
So far they all have the same features. The best one really is XenonHD with its custom long press and double-tap actions on the Nav Bar buttons. This is a great carry over feature from KitKat.
All the other ROMs suck in terms of "new" features.
+1 ..
I guess after 3 4 yrs being on xda, flashing roms with different features, developers amazing us with new and unique features every few months, for me Now it all comes down to the daily use of these features
The PA per app color, pie and omni roms split screen were something that i could use as a daily driver. I really miss PA roms Pie, slimpie somehow is just isnt the same. I miss the tablet mode from PA too.
What i want as a user is a smooth stable rom with some basic tweaks that i dont find on a stock rom and less battery drain. Which i pretty much have with LiquidSmooth.
The speed of innovation has slowed down or rather there arent many more innovative things to do that can be used for daily use anymore i guess. Im not complaining here, just a thought.
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Gravitybox or MiUi CM is not same
My 3T has arrived, and I want to migrate from my 5X. I have a couple of questions:
Which ROM?
I know this has been discussed ad-infinitum, but I can't see the forest for the trees. I see lots of discussion about Oxygen vs CM / Lineage / Paranoid Android / AOSPE. I can say that even though I'm a "power user" in that I use my phone a lot, I am happy to stay close to the vanilla Android experience with minimal bloatware / "custom" experiences. I will need root for Titanium Backup, Greenify(*), Xposed, and perhaps a couple of other apps. In the olden days, I used CM on my HTC Desire and Moto G, but my Nexus has been just great with the factory ROM. I'm looking for maximum stability rather than tweakability that I'll never use. And sorry for being lazy, but I don't want to try ten ROMs to see what suits me, it will just become a pain.
How to migrate my apps and data?
Just use Titanium Backup? It's worked well for me in the past between different handsets. Or is the Google Android sync working well these days, and everything will just sync when I sign in with my Google Account?
(*) Is Greenify still regarded as useful on a 3T?
OxygenOS is fine. LineageOS is very stable too.
Most apps restore data from google, but some don't.
OxygenOS: Better camera. Reliable slow motion video recording, slightly better image quality.
Currently there is a bug on the latest official version (and custom ROMs based on it) that randomly wakes the screen up during phone calls if you have the double tap to wake feature enabled. Disable it or use the latest open beta, which is number 13 at the moment.
LineageOS: You have Substratum and and a bunch of ROMs based on it with a bunch of features. I believe you know it already, so it's up to you to decide.
Use Titanium if you want the app data as well, for example facebook login, offline game saves, etc. Google backup simply installs all the apps and logs you into Google services.
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OxygenOS is fine. LineageOS is very stable too.
Most apps restore data from google, but some don't.
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I don't doubt that, I was looking for more of a comparision.
ast00 said:
OxygenOS: Better camera. Reliable slow motion video recording, slightly better image quality.
Currently there is a bug on the latest official version (and custom ROMs based on it) that randomly wakes the screen up during phone calls if you have the double tap to wake feature enabled. Disable it or use the latest open beta, which is number 13 at the moment.
LineageOS: You have Substratum and and a bunch of ROMs based on it with a bunch of features. I believe you know it already, so it's up to you to decide.
Use Titanium if you want the app data as well, for example facebook login, offline game saves, etc. Google backup simply installs all the apps and logs you into Google services.
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I do take a lot of photos (snaps, for serious stuff I use a DSLR), so camera quality is important to me. However if we're talking about a small difference between cameras, and the Lineage camera is still fine for most use, I don't think I would use camera quality as a single reason to prefer one ROM to another. Anything else good / better about OxygenOS, or is it mostly bloatware (for someone like me who's quite vanilla ).
It will be weird but good going back to Lineage, as a CM user from many years ago. What about AOSP(E)? Does it feature in the equation?
On one hand, I love the developer-friendliness of OnePlus, on the other hand, there's so much contradictory information out there, it's hard to know what's real. Some people say the cameras are night and day, some say they're similar. Some say battery life is night and day, some say similar. I just edited my original post because I read that Paranoid Android might be a contender... You get my point...
From what you say, I'll definitely use Titanium. I've been with it for years, so I know where I am. In fact, maybe I should stop Google installing the apps so I can do it with Titanium?
I went from the Nexus 5x to the OnePlus 3T myself, and I'm currently running Paranoid Android. It's close to stock, has great battery life (usually I have 73% battery after 6 hours of frequent usage, but I don't have a Sim Card at the moment so I don't know the drainage with data enabled) and great performance. Bluetooth devices have a battery level in the status bar which I find incredibly useful, and theming is nice and easy. Only problem is updates, so I recommend switching to an Oreo based ROM when they are developed and switch back to PA when it gets Oreo.
i have been use all rom and the best still oxygen os very stable and minimum bloatware best rom so far but now i tried AOSPA and great but i think the oxygen is best
If you are lazy, Use FreedomOS : it's stock beta rom with nice addons: bloatremover,magisk,... and it's stock, mean you are no need to think about other problems like bugs~ they will be fixed by oneplus.
If you still want something like you old nexus i think you should take a look at Viper: not update so weekly, but it mean less bugs, brilliant features, nice stock apps, and even 2 theme engines: one similar to OOS and one is famous Substratum
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I went from the Nexus 5x to the OnePlus 3T myself, and I'm currently running Paranoid Android. It's close to stock, has great battery life (usually I have 73% battery after 6 hours of frequent usage, but I don't have a Sim Card at the moment so I don't know the drainage with data enabled) and great performance. Bluetooth devices have a battery level in the status bar which I find incredibly useful, and theming is nice and easy. Only problem is updates, so I recommend switching to an Oreo based ROM when they are developed and switch back to PA when it gets Oreo.
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That's exactly the kind of disruption I want to avoid. But PA is currently pretty up to date, so hopefully they can keep it that way. I could wait a few weeks for Oreo whilst bugs are ironed out.
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If you are lazy, Use FreedomOS : it's stock beta rom with nice addons: bloatremover,magisk,... and it's stock, mean you are no need to think about other problems like bugs~ they will be fixed by oneplus.
If you still want something like you old nexus i think you should take a look at Viper: not update so weekly, but it mean less bugs, brilliant features, nice stock apps, and even 2 theme engines: one similar to OOS and one is famous Substratum
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At first, I thought, I am lazy, great idea with FreedomOS. But for updates, it means waiting 1) for OnePlus to release then 2) for the FreedomOS code to be updated. They're still on 7.1.1, PA is up to 7.2.3. Also I'd be worried about the long-term, it seems PA have disappeared in the past, but at least they are a big team, FreedomOS looks like a one-man show.
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That's exactly the kind of disruption I want to avoid. But PA is currently pretty up to date, so hopefully they can keep it that way. I could wait a few weeks for Oreo whilst bugs are ironed out.
At first, I thought, I am lazy, great idea with FreedomOS. But for updates, it means waiting 1) for OnePlus to release then 2) for the FreedomOS code to be updated. They're still on 7.1.1, PA is up to 7.2.3. Also I'd be worried about the long-term, it seems PA have disappeared in the past, but at least they are a big team, FreedomOS looks like a one-man show.
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PA 7.2.3 is android 7.1.2 like other custom roms based on aosp/linage , 2.3 is just their name they call that rom,
And about long term support, here in XDA, we all knows every devs have their life, they could drop their project for works family...
we can't blame them:fingers-crossed:, since we pay nothing but "likes" for their works, PA may discounted, FreedomOS too.But there will many good devs here, in XDA create new good rom for us,
Did you have an nexus5 before?i run it great for years with slimkat, DU... then google dropped support for it and slim disappear, but even now, nexus 5 still can run good with android 7.1.2 Darkrom. and even Gcam with HDR+ from pixel, So dont worry about support. we're in XDA, with little search, try few roms for days, then choose your favorite :good: I'm currently running Viper with google cam, but maybe i will add lastest freedomos as secondary in multirom.
Enjoy your phone,
Oh wow, how silly do I look with the version numbers... Thanks for the clarification!
I wouldn't blame any open source development for not having time, but equally I'd rather use a ROM that gets updated in a reasonable (not quick) time. I just don't have time to spend hours researching every few months.
I have a Nexus 5X, running 7.1.2 from Google, with minimal tweaks. SuperSU, Titanium, Greenify (is that still a thing that people use), AdAway. I've been really happy with that setup.
So it's a funny decision:
PA based on AOSP with many useful things added.
FreedomOS based on Oxygen with non-useful things removed, and a few useful things added?
Did I sum it up reasonably?
Also, are these statements relevant / true?
PA is CAF-based and FreedomOS isn't? If so, should I care?
FreedomOS has Viper4Android and ARISE, which as a music fan I should care about? Or is it just fake audio processing, which actually makes the audio less natural? I'd never heard of either until I started reading about 3T ROMs.