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Ghost thread / accusations of keeping a rom from public.

There has been some discussion and rumor about a ghost thread and someone keeping a rom from the public, I've looked into the situation and by this message would like to respond publicly about it. I hope this will clear up any rumors going around and will return this forum to what it should be, a place to discuss and develop.
The "ghost thread":
The thread with subject "How to cook in a OEM Application (package) with uninstall functions?" has been closed by the moderator Duttythroy by request of the original poster. This can be seen in google cache as well as on this screenshot from our pda archive. It has been permanently removed from the forum and can not be restored. This happens often when a thread is closed and doesn't seem to be of much importance to prevent clutter in the forum. ​ To prevent discussions like these in the future I've removed the ability to permanently remove threads from now on.
I have no reason to believe this thread was removed on purpose with malicious intent.
Accusations of keeping a rom from the public:
There have been accusations that a certain member is keeping a source rom from the public by paying people not to distribute it. The person who allegedly got paid to not share this rom does not wish to tell me who did this nor wishes to provide proof for this. As the system shows this user has removed all messages in his PM box there is no way for me to gain access to this information if it ever was in his PM box to begin with. I thus have no reason to believe that a rom is being kept from the public with malicious intent.
About the sharing principle in general:
A lot of rom chefs have complained that keeping a rom from other chefs no matter what the reason is a breach of the sharing principle of this forum and should be punished.
Though we believe that by sharing the community will benefit most it is not a rule, I can not nor do I wish to force people to share. Sometimes there are simply more important issues with a rom that might cause someone not to want to share, think of sources that need protecting or legal issues. I don't think our sharing principle should be enforced with the risk of sources losing their jobs or people getting sued because they shared, this most certainly won't be good for the future of xda-developers.
Best regards,
Flar
p.s. I will leave this thread open for discussion for a while, but do request that you do not post personal attacks here and try to keep the discussion civil.

Flar said:
There has been some discussion and rumor about a ghost thread and someone keeping a rom from the public, I've looked into the situation and by this message would like to respond publicly about it. I hope this will clear up any rumors going around and will return this forum to what it should be, a place to discuss and develop.
The "ghost thread":
The thread with subject "How to cook in a OEM Application (package) with uninstall functions?" has been closed by the moderator Duttythroy by request of the original poster. This can be seen in google cache as well as on this screenshot from our pda archive. It has been permanently removed from the forum and can not be restored. This happens often when a thread is closed and doesn't seem to be of much importance to prevent clutter in the forum. ​ To prevent discussions like these in the future I've removed the ability to permanently remove threads from now on.
I have no reason to believe this thread was removed on purpose with malicious intent.
Accusations of keeping a rom from the public:
There have been accusations that a certain member is keeping a source rom from the public by paying people not to distribute it. The person who allegedly got paid to not share this rom does not wish to tell me who did this nor wishes to provide proof for this. As the system shows this user has removed all messages in his PM box there is no way for me to gain access to this information if it ever was in his PM box to begin with. I thus have no reason to believe that a rom is being kept from the public with malicious intent.
About the sharing principle in general:
A lot of rom chefs have complained that keeping a rom from other chefs no matter what the reason is a breach of the sharing principle of this forum and should be punished.
Though we believe that by sharing the community will benefit most it is not a rule, I can not nor do I wish to force people to share. Sometimes there are simply more important issues with a rom that might cause someone not to want to share, think of sources that need protecting or legal issues. I don't think our sharing principle should be enforced with the risk of sources losing their jobs or people getting sued because they shared, this most certainly won't be good for the future of xda-developers.
Best regards,
Flar
p.s. I will leave this thread open for discussion for a while, but do request that you do not post personal attacks here and try to keep the discussion civil.
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I respect your choice. Good work to all the chefs, mods and admin.

I respect your choice!
Good work to everybody!

You do what you have to do.
Respect!

Thanks Flar for clearing things up.
I can only hope this has now been resolved and harmony returns to xda developers.

I think Flar is right, but for another reason that she didn't mention, I believe that sharing is good for the community, but sharing means to be willing to share. If you force someone to share something, it's more like stealing.

Can we all be friends again now?
Group hug??

The real question now is this:
Is everything going to return to normal in the forum now?
Or did we lost some chefs/mods?
I guess time will tell...

Since there isn't much that can be done and the Admin did whatever he could and posted the investigation results publicly, we should respect his decision and accept the facts on the face value and not on assumptions. I hope things will getback to normal and the chefs would reopen their ROMs for the public, who love and adore their work.
XDA is a wonderful place for HTC device owners due to the extremely talanted developers and chefs, who are anytime better than the ones wotking at Microsoft and HTC.
So I humbly request all the chefs to re-open their ROMs to the loving and dedicated fans and get back the XDA spirit.
Thank you.

Hello
Thanks for the clear answer and hope that's poeple are going down a bit..
Still unclear if the cookers can share the new rom or not... as the Admin didn't find any proof
Anyway hope that it was just a little storm
Long life to XDA

gigaboss said:
I think Flar is right, but for another reason that she didn't mention, I believe that sharing is good for the community, but sharing means to be willing to share. If you force someone to share something, it's more like stealing.
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Exactly.
Personally If I give my word to someone promising not to do something, I will do that, and I expect that also others respect this, and behave coherently with my position.
Clearly as steted in the first post above, when such an extent is reached (like people getting sued or fired) this becomes exponentially more important.
I would like to say that I just joined this community before the thing blew, and as far as I am concerned it seems that things are cooling down, so thanks to the Admins and Moderators for your efforts. (We are civil people, or at least we should behave like it)
Also a thank to all the Chef's, because you can do what I cannot, I appreciate your work, please do not get discouraged and keep it up with the excellent service you provide to the masses here on XDA.
Ciao from Italy.

I am glad there has been progress on the matter.
What happened was sooooooooooo unnecessary and i still believe could have been dealt with better.
I have posted a PM to Flar about how i feel.
XDA is more important than individuals, this must not happen again.
Phew, feel better now

Good speech, but I think everything is the same!
The world is made of corruption, and where it is you can not do anything!
Chef small is nothing, but Big Chef power can not be discussed.
Solution: Leave XDA or lives to it so.
I continue make my roms with love.. Not with money!!!
MaryOne is here to make people happy!!!
Life is beautiful!

Can we have an official answer from dutty about accusations?

lucarp78 said:
Can we have an official answer from dutty about accusations?
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It's up to dutty to decide if he wants to discuss this but i think he should do that when he's ready. I've spoken to him yesterday and he's currently very busy with his personal life so it might take some time.
Best regards,
Flar

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Can we have an official answer from dutty about accusations?
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I think he already made his official answer towards rhis matter.

Hopefully we can all resume normal communication now. The rules have been changed so that it won't be possible for mods to permanently erase threads which offers some official traceability if issues arise.

jouh said:
I think he already made his official answer towards rhis matter.
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In all closed threads Dutty have many "lawyers", I think not need. He will surely respond.

jouh said:
I think he already made his official answer towards rhis matter.
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Let him answer and not his lawyers.

At least... with your hand to put in... and with your comment and your decision, this makes sense and let all of users to understand this matter.
Now.. i'm really happy and wish all of your cookers to return to our famous website.
Thanks,
KCJ

Sharing: free or for money?

i am opening this thread somehow inspired by the endless debate concerning if dutty did or did not something blamable. as long as my thought is somehow off topic related to that thread i preffered to open a new one
so, i am asking you guys from this forum (supposed a friendly and share free forum) about your opinion concerning applications that are posted here.
are you agree that guys, or companies that are developing applications for which they charge a certain amount of money to post their work here?
i am not talking about request for donation, but about applications that you can download only for money
if you look around this forum you will find some of these applications and you will understand what i mean
i belive this forum is a HUGE marketing tool and, if those guys are allowed to post their work here free of charge, then they also should make these applications free
if not, i belive the admins of this site should delete any threads, post, links, whatever, about these kind of applications
this is my opinion and i strongly belive that sharing under this forum should remain free of charge.
what do you think?

I really think that taking this matter again is not good for this community, the forum Administrator explained all and this thread has no sense.

speed200 said:
I really think that taking this matter again is not good for this community, the forum Administrator explained all and this thread has no sense.
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totally agree with this

speed200 said:
I really think that taking this matter again is not good for this community, the forum Administrator explained all and this thread has no sense.
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sorry, i probably missed that
if you people think is useless, then a mod or admin can close the thread

Late Update: I have already discussed this with the OP using PM. I'm just updating this to be a little clearer on the actions.
Below is an update for everyone else.
Selling (Pay to download) apps on xda-devs is not allowed. Please feel free to contact me, another moderator or the site admin if you have any furtehr questions on this.
If you've found an app you'd like looking at, hit the "report post" button
Thanks
Dave

ICQ for Windows Phone 7

Hi everybody!
I'm writing ICQ Messenger for WP7 now and have a VERY BIG ISSUE with it:
WP7 Silverlight does not support SOCKETs!!!
Does anybody know how to workaround this?
The only way I see is create a SERVICE on my home PC with static IP, that will be a link between WCF classes to communicate with WP7 Client and ICQ Server, that (to my mind) only supports Sockets...
Waiting for your comments and suggestions! ))

Meffka said:
Waiting for your comments and suggestions! ))
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Post in correct sections.
General/Questions etc go in the "Q&A" forum
Developments go in the "Development" forum.

This forum is named "Windows Phone 7 Development"... Where should I post if not here?

Meffka said:
This forum is named "Windows Phone 7 Development"... Where should I post if not here?
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Would be best to post in the "Q&A" forum or the apps forum. This is mainly for posting of dev work.
This forum is mainly for posting of work not general discussion as then we would get all sorts of topics created here and then we will have to soft through a load of crap just to find the devs posts.

maybe there should be a board section "winp7 coding". but for my understanding developers of tools for wp7 should ask their questions here in the dev section, like the rom-chefs do. like it says, it's about developing. maybe somebody has a tip for the op and can guide him to a nice coding community manly working with wp7.

Screemi said:
maybe there should be a board section "winp7 coding". but for my understanding developers of tools for wp7 should ask their questions here in the dev section, like the rom-chefs do. like it says, it's about developing. maybe somebody has a tip for the op and can guide him to a nice coding community manly working with wp7.
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man..the section you mentioned does already exist:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=607

man! that was fast!
and its even already filled with threads!

mideel said:
man..the section you mentioned does already exist:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=607
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Excellent point, this.
Purely based on OP's post, there's nothing HD2-related about the issue he/she's encountered.
Unless OP has a specific reason for keeping this in the HD2 section, this thread might be better off in the general "Windows Phone 7 Software Development" section. There's almost certainly more WP7 experts browsing there.

Exactly. This is in no way related to HD2 WP7 development so shouldn't be here.

@OP
don't give too much on those ppl *****in' around. try to open a thread in wp7 development or apps and games.
perhaps there you get real help. i appreciate your attempt to make a icq client =)

Forums for programmers?

Hey guys. I had nowhere else to ask this question, and this is kind of relevant to the subject matter of the website, so I figured I'd ask it here.
Is there a forum dedicated to programming with a huge user base and an active beginners section? Some perhaps very well known website that most everybody uses?
Thanks for the help.

Here is a good place to start:
Programming Basics

LoopDoGG79 said:
Here is a good place to start:
Programming Basics
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How is that even vaguely helpful? He's asking for something specific, and it's quite a sensible request.
@Bodoma there is a programming forum on here, but it's quite new so not particularly busy. Given time I'm sure it will build up, but there's already lots of people you can chat about programming with and get advice from.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2188
That forum is specific for app development for the platforms we cover on xda.
As for specific coding issues, get familiar with StackOverflow.com. It's a *very* useful resource that most developers are aware of, even if just to leech from it (nothing wrong with reading and learning )

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How is that even vaguely helpful? He's asking for something specific, and it's quite a sensible request.
@Bodoma there is a programming forum on here, but it's quite new so not particularly busy. Given time I'm sure it will build up, but there's already lots of people you can chat about programming with and get advice from.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2188
That forum is specific for app development for the platforms we cover on xda.
As for specific coding issues, get familiar with StackOverflow.com. It's a *very* useful resource that most developers are aware of, even if just to leech from it (nothing wrong with reading and learning )
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Ooh, I had no idea that forum existed on here. Thanks for the help, Archer. As far as a preliminary glance at what StackOverflow is, it seems like a great platform that I can use to ask a ton of questions and see what kind of answers I get.
I did Google, by the way, but the results that were returning didn't have communities as big as I would like, since popularity is the only way I can tell whether or not the website is reliable, as I do not know enough about the subject matter to use another method of filtration.
Thanks again, I really appreciate it.

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