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New OTA update (G870AUCS2CPB4)

AT&T just pushed out another update. We'll see how it performs. Still no 6.0 Marshmallow....

Sgt.CM said:
AT&T just pushed out another update. We'll see how it performs. Still no 6.0 Marshmallow....
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Mine just popped up too.

I don't get it why are they stalling

Somewhat dissappointing
The AT&T page doesn't even show this update yet. Somewhat of a mystery.

They just did:
Software update includes
Device security improvements
Disappointing...

i thought i saw there was a problem with 6.0 and not being to unlock phones with pin/ fingerprint after updating..

_LEM_ said:
They just did:
Software update includes
Device security improvements
Disappointing...
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There's nothing disappointing about improved security when it comes to my mobile device.
For shame with that attitude.
Bad dog, that is a no-no.

TOP SECURITY JOE said:
There's nothing disappointing about improved security when it comes to my mobile device.
For shame with that attitude.
Bad dog, that is a no-no.
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Well, most of us are waiting for Marshmallow. We are almost the last ones to get that update.
However if this update makes you happy, that's cool.

TOP SECURITY JOE said:
There's nothing disappointing about improved security when it comes to my mobile device.
For shame with that attitude.
Bad dog, that is a no-no.
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Its pretty disappointing when every other major carrier in the US has released Marshmallow for the S5 weeks ago, and they're still sitting here dilly dallying with security updates. Fine security updates are good, but we want Marshmallow end of story.

Anyone care to share the update here? I have to use Odin, no AT&T account. Thanks.

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Well, most of us are waiting for Marshmallow. We are almost the last ones to get that update.
However if this update makes you happy, that's cool.
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It's too late. You are already a bad dog.

Its a little early...but based on some very heavy use yesterday...this update seems as stable as all the other Lollipop builds to date.
Based on what I've seen from other carrier flavors of Marshmallow on this device...about the only thing that Marshmallow is going to give me is the ability to sideload GoodLock and MAYBE better mem management in regards to suspended apps/multi-tasking. Its not like Marshmallow is going to magically give me 2 hours extra SOT and make me a ham sandwich or something...Lollipop builds have been stable, bug free, been delivering 4-6 hours SOT, relatively snappy performance and the ability to go many days without a reboot based upon my use...and I don't think that will change drastically with Marshmallow. I'll probably keep this device for another year/year and a half anyway...so it will happen when it happens.
Even though it is annoying that the locked bootloader is keeping me from root and the ability to modify a few things (like running AdAway and uninstalling bloatware) and due to the fact that I can't run Xposed on Lollipop with Samsung ROMS anyway...this phone on AT&T has been one of the most stable, dependable devices I've owned to date.

mwrobe1 said:
Its a little early...but based on some very heavy use yesterday...this update seems as stable as all the other Lollipop builds to date.
Based on what I've seen from other carrier flavors of Marshmallow on this device...about the only thing that Marshmallow is going to give me is the ability to sideload GoodLock and MAYBE better mem management in regards to suspended apps/multi-tasking. Its not like Marshmallow is going to magically give me 2 hours extra SOT and make me a ham sandwich or something...Lollipop builds have been stable, bug free, been delivering 4-6 hours SOT, relatively snappy performance and the ability to go many days without a reboot based upon my use...and I don't think that will change drastically with Marshmallow. I'll probably keep this device for another year/year and a half anyway...so it will happen when it happens.
Even though it is annoying that the locked bootloader is keeping me from root and the ability to modify a few things (like running AdAway and uninstalling bloatware) and due to the fact that I can't run Xposed on Lollipop with Samsung ROMS anyway...this phone on AT&T has been one of the most stable, dependable devices I've owned to date.
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Package Disabler Pro in the playstore will disable bloat. Does a real nice job.
Se​nt fr​om my SM-G870A
Peace

So.... anyone able to post the update file for this one? Those without ATT sim are in dire need of it...

Huawei P8 Nougat Petition

Huawei Mobile*has released the Android 7 Nougat update for the P9, P9 Lite and Mate 8 devices. Why they haven't done the same for the P8, P8 Lite and Mate S, this*only leads to one conclusion:
Huawei*only cares about the factory line revenue generation of their P9, P9 Lite and newer devices! All you customers who purchased new P8, P8 Lite and Mate S*a few months back, you can be sure that Huawei*only wants you to buy a newer mobile phones and leave older devices even if they are still sufficient by hardware side.
The hardware requirements for Android Nougat are irrefutably the same as Android Marshmallow.* Where is 18 month software support?
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koki.murati said:
Huawei Mobile*has released the Android 7 Nougat update for the P9, P9 Lite and Mate 8 devices. Why they haven't done the same for the P8, P8 Lite and Mate S, this*only leads to one conclusion:
Huawei*only cares about the factory line revenue generation of their P9, P9 Lite and newer devices! All you customers who purchased new P8, P8 Lite and Mate S*a few months back, you can be sure that Huawei*only wants you to buy a newer mobile phones and leave older devices even if they are still sufficient by hardware side.
The hardware requirements for Android Nougat are irrefutably the same as Android Marshmallow.* Where is 18 month software support?
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dont bother, Android 7 API is not compatible with P8´s GPU, therefore, its not possible to make it official way, youre loosing your time

00471 said:
dont bother, Android 7 API is not compatible with P8´s GPU, therefore, its not possible to make it official way, youre loosing your time
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I'm the type of guy who always has that type of hope left even tho I know it won't work. But hey it's worth a try.

koki.murati said:
Huawei Mobile*has released the Android 7 Nougat update for the P9, P9 Lite and Mate 8 devices. Why they haven't done the same for the P8, P8 Lite and Mate S, this*only leads to one conclusion:
Huawei*only cares about the factory line revenue generation of their P9, P9 Lite and newer devices! All you customers who purchased new P8, P8 Lite and Mate S*a few months back, you can be sure that Huawei*only wants you to buy a newer mobile phones and leave older devices even if they are still sufficient by hardware side.
The hardware requirements for Android Nougat are irrefutably the same as Android Marshmallow.* Where is 18 month software support?
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If I remember correctly it isn't really Huawei's fault. Google doesn't support the version for P8 because of security issues.
Anyway I wouldn't really looking for the Android 7.0, most of the UI is available in Launchers like Nova and other pars of it doesn't really make much of a difference.

NandorHUN said:
If I remember correctly it isn't really Huawei's fault. Google doesn't support the version for P8 because of security issues.
Anyway I wouldn't really looking for the Android 7.0, most of the UI is available in Launchers like Nova and other pars of it doesn't really make much of a difference.
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EMUI 5 uses new filesystem format which makes phone faster and makes the phone fast even after a long time of usage becauses it doesnt fragment data, i think it could be noticable in midend phone like P8, shame we wont have it...

00471 said:
EMUI 5 uses new filesystem format which makes phone faster and makes the phone fast even after a long time of usage becauses it doesnt fragment data, i think it could be noticable in midend phone like P8, shame we wont have it...
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Yeah, imo Huawei should've though ahead about their hardware compatibility.

NandorHUN said:
If I remember correctly it isn't really Huawei's fault. Google doesn't support the version for P8 because of security issues.
Anyway I wouldn't really looking for the Android 7.0, most of the UI is available in Launchers like Nova and other pars of it doesn't really make much of a difference.
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koki.murati said:
Yeah, imo Huawei should've though ahead about their hardware compatibility.
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im very dissapointed too, next time i will be VERY careful about choosing new smartphone

00471 said:
dont bother, Android 7 API is not compatible with P8´s GPU, therefore, its not possible to make it official way, youre loosing your time
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^ this. It simply won't happen.

Surprisingly the HTC One M8 which is also incompatible with Vulkan, is getting Nougat update in the US.

majaczos said:
Surprisingly the HTC One M8 which is also incompatible with Vulkan, is getting Nougat update in the US.
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Didn't know this.

majaczos said:
Surprisingly the HTC One M8 which is also incompatible with Vulkan, is getting Nougat update in the US.
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i dont know M8 but what i can say is huawei itself comfirmed that model P8 wont get further versions of android except those with security patch, Have HTC ever said that they will never get nougat? i think that even if huawei could bring it to us later, they just wont anymore, they released TOO many new devices since then, if they had to maintain all of them they would get crazy and no profit from that what so ever, if there is any hope is very, very small, and i dont have any anymore

I don't have a P8 but I remember always wanting one due to the awesome design. If developers can port Nougat to My Galaxy S4 then I really don't see why Hauwei can't make an official release for the p8. With 2 year software updates the norm I find this extremely unacceptable. The vulkan requirement is false, for I can run nougat on a S4 (custom ROM) and have no graphical issues at all. Good luck with your petition.

00471 said:
i dont know M8 but what i can say is huawei itself comfirmed that model P8 wont get further versions of android except those with security patch, Have HTC ever said that they will never get nougat? i think that even if huawei could bring it to us later, they just wont anymore, they released TOO many new devices since then, if they had to maintain all of them they would get crazy and no profit from that what so ever, if there is any hope is very, very small, and i dont have any anymore
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nope, you ain't seeing nougat on p8. we chinese users have been asking huawei since the release of emui 5, and all the answer from them is "no major functional upgrades, but security patches will continue". so stop hoping for official emui 5, and cross your fingers for third-party flavors like lineage. btw based on the status of the cm13 and lineage13 here, lineageos suooprt seems promising.

ilovecheats said:
nope, you ain't seeing nougat on p8. we chinese users have been asking huawei since the release of emui 5, and all the answer from them is "no major functional upgrades, but security patches will continue". so stop hoping for official emui 5, and cross your fingers for third-party flavors like lineage. btw based on the status of the cm13 and lineage13 here, lineageos suooprt seems promising.
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thats right but autor of this port is not willing to make camera work with the same quality as stock rom, its a huge compromise..

00471 said:
thats right but autor of this port is not willing to make camera work with the same quality as stock rom, its a huge compromise..
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That's a compromise you have to take. It's the same for almost all phones. My S4 has worse quality but not too bad

Tweakforce_LG said:
That's a compromise you have to take. It's the same for almost all phones. My S4 has worse quality but not too bad
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thats right, unfortunatelly im not willing to take this compromise, the phone takes fantastic photos and it doesnt pay off just for some extra features that doesnt matter in real life anyway, emui has everything that people could need, awesome battery life, fast ui, great phone manager and the most important for me, pro camera

00471 said:
thats right, unfortunatelly im not willing to take this compromise, the phone takes fantastic photos and it doesnt pay off just for some extra features that doesnt matter in real life anyway, emui has everything that people could need, awesome battery life, fast ui, great phone manager and the most important for me, pro camera
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If it has everything you need then you don't need emui 5 ?

Tweakforce_LG said:
If it has everything you need then you don't need emui 5
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well, emui 5 is faster and more beautifull

Whats happen ... with this nougat? Is there any information ?

Tix0mir said:
Whats happen ... with this nougat? Is there any information ?
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nothing happened and nothing ever will... just get over it people

Software Support for OP3/3T: Questions & Answers.

Recently, we noticed lots of OP3/3T users asking questions related to future software support for their devices. To better keep everyone in the loop, we invited @oliver Z. , our Head of Product to answer some of the most commonly asked questions from the community.
David: Hi Oliver. First, could you please explain why many more updates were released for the OP5 than the OP3/3T in recent times?
Oliver: Sure, we have been gathering plenty of user feedback on the OP5 following the launch in mid-June. We dedicated our efforts in the first 1-2 months after release to better satisfy users’ needs and boost our latest product’s capabilities.
Normally, we release a new Official Release (OTA) update every 1-2 months. If you’d like to taste some of the latest OxygenOS features earlier, and receive updates more frequently, you’re more than welcome to join our Open Beta Program. Currently, we release Open Beta updates for the OP3/3T approximately once every month.
David: Some users asked why some new features, which are available through the Open Beta Program, are not implemented in the stable build releases on the OP3/3T?
Oliver: We’ve always positioned the Beta Program as a public laboratory for new features, feedback, and bug testing. This helps us improve the code of all of our MP builds. We unfortunately, cannot guarantee every feature present in the Open Betas will transition to the Official releases. Often times, even though the feature seems stable enough in the Beta builds, they are not ready or do not meet our quality standards for public release. (And yes, sometimes we test the value of upcoming features through the Open Beta Program for release in new or upcoming devices or later software updates.) In some situations, our limited development and QT resources force us to bring these features to one device first. These features are then introduced on other older devices further down the road. We love how the program has grown, but we do have to admit that we still have room to improve and better optimize the Open Beta Program.
Also, I’d like to take this opportunity to thank our users who have joined either our Closed Beta Program or our Open Beta Program. You have all helped us shape the functionalities and quality of OxygenOS.
David: What are you planning with regards to security updates for the OP3/3T?
Oliver: In keeping with the original schedule, we planned to update OxygenOS on the OP3/3T to version 4.5, with the latest security patch level update, in the next 1-2 months. However, some feedback from the community caught our attention and we decided to tweak it a little bit. We’ll split the update into two parts. First, we’ll update the security patch level to August, which will be released soon. The OxygenOS 4.5 update will be released at the scheduled time.
David: So the OP3/3T will soon catch up with the current version on the OP5, but some features on the OP5 will not be available on the OP3/3T, right?
Oliver: Yes, those missing features are mainly a result of hardware differences, such as the availability of Reading Mode on the OP5, which depends on the RGB sensor. The OP3/3T don’t have that hardware interface, so we are unable to release this feature on these two devices. The same reason applies to the new off-screen gestures and DCI-P3 screen calibration.
David: My last question is very important to OP3/3T users. How long will the OP3/3T continue to receive software support?
Oliver: Android O is going to be the last Android version update we’ll release for OP3/3T. We’ll continue to release security patch updates for the foreseeable future, and offer support for individual application updates. After the OP3/3T have been updated to Android O, we’ll start moving the Open Beta Program from OP3/3T to OP5.
Alright that's all I wanted to ask. Did you find answers to all of your questions? If not, leave your questions in the comments below and we’ll get back to you soon. Thank you all and enjoy the upcoming weekend!
Yours,
David

Friends I am sharing this just FYI that OP3/3T support is going to receive O and few updates after that and then the open beta program will move to OP5 and slowly the support for OP3/3T will end as usual with older models.

With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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android.reddy143 said:
With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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Not sure what you really expected. This has been the companies MO since day one. If you thought it would be different then no one is at fault other then you. Do the needed research and you will be fine. Also just a news flash but the every device is old by the time you get it. Heck unless you compile the OS your selfe then your software is outdated as well.

zelendel said:
Not sure what you really expected. This has been the companies MO since day one. If you thought it would be different then no one is at fault other then you. Do the needed research and you will be fine. Also just a news flash but the every device is old by the time you get it. Heck unless you compile the OS your selfe then your software is outdated as well.
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I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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android.reddy143 said:
I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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When O comes out the device will be about 18 months old. The same cut off point that other flagships offer. Some flagships never even see an update.
What I mean to convey is simple. If you are worried about updates then the only way to be sure is to get a device that you can build the OS for yourself. Most devices (even Flagships) come with outdated kernels and to be up to date you would have to flash every single day and sometimes a few times a day.

android.reddy143 said:
I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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Actually you get a damm lot support. Look how many updates there have been. Samsung still runs 7.0 if you have a Huawei you get 6 updates spreaded around 2 years, those updates contain minor bug fixes nothing special at all. And so on. You paid €400 for a phone and expect everything!

People complain at anything, Every device is supported for 24 months or less.. in most cases 18 or less Be glad it's getting O and not the sh!t show OP2 was.. But I give credit where it's due to OP my OP3 has had way more updates and fixes than my S7 Edge and that costs twice the price.. and still running outdated sh!tty 7.0.. So all isn't bad as long as OP keeps their devices up to date and fast with source code I can see them being the device to go to for Modding as such

android.reddy143 said:
With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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We got or will get 3 major android versions on op3, thats actually pretty good for a manufacturer. What did you expect?

MarcTremonti said:
We got or will get 3 major android versions on op3, thats actually pretty good for a manufacturer. What did you expect?
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The device did not get 3 major android versions as that would mean it came out with 5.0 but it came out with 6.0 even though 7.1 had been out when it was released.
Either way. The device should be ok for unofficial updates for atleast another year or 2 before the lack of updated kernel source will make the updates less.

zelendel said:
The device did not get 3 major android versions as that would mean it came out with 5.0 but it came out with 6.0 even though 7.1 had been out when it was released.
Either way. The device should be ok for unofficial updates for atleast another year or 2 before the lack of updated kernel source will make the updates less.
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Read my post. I said we got or will get 3 versions.
Marshmallow, nougat und the new O. So 3 versions. And thats pretty decent.
Besides that its an ex flagship, so we will enjoy good custom rom support.
Even my old Htc One S (jellybean latest official update) recently got nougat ressurrection remix which is working flawlessly.

MarcTremonti said:
Read my post. I said we got or will get 3 versions.
Marshmallow, nougat und the new O. So 3 versions. And thats pretty decent.
Besides that its an ex flagship, so we will enjoy good custom rom support.
Even my old Htc One S (jellybean latest official update) recently got nougat ressurrection remix which is working flawlessly.
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I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.

zelendel said:
I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.
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OP3 Shipped in June 2016, 7.0 didn't release till August 2016..

zelendel said:
I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.
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What else to call it? It directly competed with other flagships.
And it coulndt be shipped with 7, when 7 wasnt even available to that point, lol. So you can count 6.

MarcTremonti said:
What else to call it? It directly competed with other flagships.
And it coulndt be shipped with 7, when 7 wasnt even available to that point, lol. So you can count 6.
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I call it a high midrange.
No I never count the OS it comes with.

zelendel said:
I call it a high midrange.
No I never count the OS it comes with.
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Totally agree. The OS the phone comes with out of the box is never counted as an update. :highfive:
If we get Android O, that will be our 2nd major OS update.
I agree with others that we've definitely had better support than Samsung Flagships in the past year.

Support has been great. Look how much updates we got, next to that how many of them where useful? Alot! We got alot better support then Samsung and Huawei at least. If they bring us a proper and stable Android 8.0 I am completely fine with it! Keep in mind this only is a €399/429 phone .

ROM update

Why samsung takes so much time to release ROM updates?
In Brazil the last one is N950FXXU1AQI1 and was released in september 10th.

Because they suck with updates :crying: They update the cheap and older models first and then the flagships.

gee2012 said:
Because they suck with updates :crying: They update the cheap and older models first and then the flagships.
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If you don't know what's going on, then don't react at all!
The November security-patch is on test now; there were problems to be solved first:
* freezing problems after using Contacts-app
* High battery usage AOD
BlueBorne has been patched in the latest update

They are crap with updates, my UK unlocked exynos is on August security patch. What happened to September's and October's? Shocking. I have the S8 as well and that wasn't too bad with updates.
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henklbr said:
If you don't know what's going on, then don't react at all!
The November security-patch is on test now; there were problems to be solved first:
* freezing problems after using Contacts-app
* High battery usage AOD
BlueBorne has been patched in the latest update
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That may be but its taking Samsung since ages way to long to offer firmware updates and security patches. If Sony or Nokia can do it so should Samsung beeing a humongous company with more devs then any other OEM. Hopefully they will implement Project Treble in Oreo for easier and faster patch updates.

gee2012 said:
That may be but its taking Samsung since ages way to long to offer firmware updates and security patches. If Sony or Nokia can do it so should Samsung beeing a humongous company with more devs then any other OEM. Hopefully they will implement Project Treble in Oreo for easier and faster patch updates.
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The problem isn't all Samsung's. Part of the issue is having to go through the carriers.
Google hopes to start solving the problem with Project Treble. If that works as advertised, we'll get more timely critical updates. The trouble is, we won't see Treble until Oreo hits the streets.

Firmware updates - news and discussion

Hello,
I am surprised we still don't have such topic to discuss.
PS. I use OnePlus 7T Pro (EU) and my fw is 10.0.9 with security patch from 1st of may. Since it's almost end of July i find it quite disappointing. I've always thought OP was one of the quickest fw update provider.

forever_lol said:
Hello,
I am surprised we still don't have such topic to discuss.
PS. I use OnePlus 7T Pro (EU) and my fw is 10.0.9 with security patch from 1st of may. Since it's almost end of July i find it quite disappointing. I've always thought OP was one of the quickest fw update provider.
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Im also surprised that updating is slow on this phone... This is my first oneplus (7t pro mclaren) and overall its a very nice phone.
But the fast updating and new Features thing is something i cant see...

Goku1992 said:
Im also surprised that updating is slow on this phone... This is my first oneplus (7t pro mclaren) and overall its a very nice phone.
But the fast updating and new Features thing is something i cant see...
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My thoughts exactly!

Update to the OxygenOS beta 6....security patch is 1st July....

speedyjay said:
Update to the OxygenOS beta 6....security patch is 1st July....
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Yes i know, but it's still beta - not stable release.

forever_lol said:
Yes i know, but it's still beta - not stable release.
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So wait until it's stable. Simple as that.

rafikowy said:
So wait until it's stable. Simple as that.
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I have no choice, but I didn't ask for advice.
Open Beta is meant for specific type of users and it's a topic for totally different discussion.
Decision to provide only beta firmware with up-to-date security patches and skip stable releases is plainly ridiculous. Basically, If you want latest security patch you gotta settle with probably semi-buggy firmware. Well done OP.

It is my third mobile phone from OnePlus and yes the phones before got fast updates every time. Since my 7T Pro McLaren there are very rare updates and the software have some bugs. I think OnePlus is bigger now and they are think now we are famous we have enough buyer.. i don't know... price for my 3T was 479 Euro and now for the 7T Pro over 800 Euro...
Huawei are went the same way... to the begin the phones was cheap..after a few years the phones was very expensive... And quality is not the best from OnePlus now.. my other OnePlus are very stable.. i have case on every phone. on my new OnePlus I have the case from McLaren and i looked after a time behind the phone and it is broken... WITH the case... sorry, but i Think that is not good.

I consider the "beta" releases as stable as I've yet to encounter any bugs introduced by them and the "beta" label is more of a warranty for the manufacturer if things don't work as expected. Also the schedule for the "beta" releases is now monthly. The more devices they have to develop for the worse it will be for releases of any kind.

But we havent Android 11 beta till noe... Few other brands have Android 11 beta for a few phones of their lineup. The only mclaren phone with 11 beta is the newest...
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Oppo, vivo, xiaomi have a few phones with Android 11 beta...

kadopt said:
I consider the "beta" releases as stable as I've yet to encounter any bugs introduced by them and the "beta" label is more of a warranty for the manufacturer if things don't work as expected.
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I don't think so. It's not like stable OTAs are always bugsfree. Bugs happen. Manufacturers don't need such "warranty".
What message would OP send? "Hej, We do not provide regular software updates. However If you want to get your security patch updated you may flash our test fw, but please bear in mind you do it at your own risk".

Goku1992 said:
But we havent Android 11 beta till noe... Few other brands have Android 11 beta for a few phones of their lineup. The only mclaren phone with 11 beta is the newest...
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Oppo, vivo, xiaomi have a few phones with Android 11 beta...
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I think beta A11 on op 7t pro will follow soon. It's IMHO nothing to worry about

forever_lol said:
I think beta A11 on op 7t pro will follow soon. It's IMHO nothing to worry about
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Nothing to worry yes... But why are other brands with much more phones faster? Cant understand this

forever_lol said:
I don't think so. It's not like stable OTAs are always bugsfree. Bugs happen. Manufacturers don't need such "warranty".
What message would OP send? "Hej, We do not provide regular software updates. However If you want to get your security patch updated you may flash our test fw, but please bear in mind you do it at your own risk".
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Yes, there are no bug free software, yet, if the betas were labeled "stable" we probably would not be having this conversation.
The "waranty" actually exists as if you install software on a production environment and it leads to catastrophic failure or other major losses the manufacturer may be held liable for any damages, stamping a "beta" label releases them from such responsibilities as its not complete software and the client was aware of it upon installation.
The "stable" build is one month older than the "beta 6" and before even the betas were being released with outdated security patches.
Alpha build: incomplete feature set and buggy
Beta build: complete feature set but may have bugs
Gold/stable build: complete feature set and no bugs (they think).
I've seen many software going from beta to stable without changes because no bugs were found.
I think the problem here is "peace of mind".

That's true, but still betas cannot be considered as replacement for stable builds. Open beta program is obviously good option to have but since it's a warranty for oems it's more or less lottery for an user as well.
As I said before not every user is willing/should be forced to go Beta but every user has right to monthly security updates.
OP was supposed to be one of the best on that matter, sadly it's not. They are in fact not better than huawei - that is known for being very bad at it.*
*Huawei has just released july patch for p30.

Wow im on may 2020?

forever_lol said:
That's true, but still betas cannot be considered as replacement for stable builds. Open beta program is obviously good option to have but since it's a warranty for oems it's more or less lottery for an user as well.
As I said before not every user is willing/should be forced to go Beta but every user has right to monthly security updates.
OP was supposed to be one of the best on that matter, sadly it's not. They are in fact not better than huawei - that is known for being very bad at it.*
*Huawei has just released july patch for p30.
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Beta software is not being considered a replacement for stable and are not a lottery, beta builds are tested before delivery but the level and duration of the tests is not the same. Code that is compiled and delivered without testing are nightlies and that is the dangerous software. I opt in for beta builds in all possible apps on the playstore without issues.
I also went for OP because of the updates and for me they deliver but that's just me.
OP8 was delivered to market with some issues although they probably thought it was stable and was released as stable. I only take caution with alpha or lower labels.
What you want is more like Microsoft's "Patch Tuesday" but stable software requires extensive validadion and hardware specific software takes even more time unfortunately.

kadopt said:
Beta software is not being considered a replacement for stable and are not a lottery, beta builds are tested before delivery but the level and duration of the tests is not the same. Code that is compiled and delivered without testing are nightlies and that is the dangerous software. I opt in for beta builds in all possible apps on the playstore without issues.
I also went for OP because of the updates and for me they deliver but that's just me.
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Well, you're not an ordinary user You're the one who obviously like to fiddle with your phone and take some minor risks. That's fine, I like to flash my phone too (more often than I actually need)
Beta is not being considered a replacement, but that's exactly what we have now. Look, I am not denying beta builds are in 90% instances stable enough to be considered daily drivers for majority of users, but there's always tiny risk sth doesn't work as it should. That's not really ok. People shouldn't be expected to try beta everytime they want to get up to date security patch (or one month older).
I think we've gone slightly offtop though

OxygenOS 10.0.10 OTA is available to download
System
• Newly adapted OnePlus Buds, easier to take advantage of wireless connection
• Provided a variety of clock styles for you. You can customize on your own. (Go to Settings>Customization>Clock style)
• Fixed the issue that double tap could not wake up the screen in some settings
• Updated Android security patch to 2020.07
Bluetooth
• It has adapted to Bluetooth hearing aid app connection under the Android 10 Audio Streaming for Hearing Aid (ASHA) Agreement
Network
• Fixed the wrong display of names of inserted SIM cards from different carriers

Sorry, delete