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Galaxy Note 4 to OP3T

I have seen numerous mentions of Note 4 owners in the threads of this sub forum mention that they are considering a purchase of a OP3T coming from a Galaxy Note 4. I am one of those individuals that has done this and I'd love to hear other peoples thoughts on why they held on to there Note 4's for so long? And why this particular model of Oneplus has gotten us to consider leaving our expandable storage, removable battery larger screen, etc?
For me, the development was there with the Note 4 (if you got yours early enough to unlock the bootloader and root/rom it up). Now with the death of the Nexus line and the Note 7 fiasco, I was looking for an upgrade that offers great current specs and customizability. I guess you could say that "I settled" (pun intended) on Oneplus for this move. On top of all of that, this will be my first Oneplus device and I like the idea of a reasonable pricing structure that Oneplus provides with it's larger storage option. I personally think that they have remained competitive in the industry and I'll be more than happy to shell out the small amount extra to have these upgrades to the original OP3.
I realize that there is a Note 5 to OP3T thread but it didn't quite match what I've been seeing, so many times in the threads, as far as upgrade popularity. So I wanted to start this thread to get an idea of what other Note 4 owners thought.

I'm going from a Note 3 to a OP3t. I'd been looking nonstop for months for a gently used Note 4 to hold me over until the next note release but I just can't wait that long, and people want $400+ for a used note 4 that's still locked to a carrier. So for $639 I went with the 128gb model. No need for expandable storage at that point, all I ever use the SD on my N3 for is when I flash a rom and want to do a twrp backup. I'll just grab a USB-C flash drive for that and use it when I need it. Don't care about removable batteries either, never once swapped a battery on a smartphone. Besides, with this new dash charge thing, I shouldn't have to anyway, right?
It's still a little pricey, but for an unlocked handset with 128gb storage, and a flagship level processor I think it'll be a good purchase.

Point by point. The screen size I assume it would be roughly the same, But downgrading from 4K to to just FHD would help on the battery life by a large margin. Unless you have specific use for VR and very large screen resolution which most people don't, then stepping back to FHD seem like a batter idea.
Removable battery, I only see two reason for replaceable battery. One is for swapping out battery when you ran out and two is in case of emergency, then ability to fully remove power like you drop a phone in a pond/toilet. At this point in time, and in my experience, these larger new phone get a very good battery life, and many can be remedy via powerbank And ever since I have a mobile phone, I never have water issue. So, I'm willing to take that risk.
Expandable storage, to tell the true I still would prefer to have that option even with the 128GB model. But the fact is life is not perfect, and I can get by w/o it. Digging a little deeper, there are a few things that I considered. First off, you have 128GB option, and if you think about it most people don't need more than that. If you are currently using a 128GB SD card and still not satisfy, then OP3T may not be for you either. Second is speed, most smartphone w/ microSD card slot are never going to be that fast; while many don't need that much speed, it improve thing like game loading. Most apps will not need to store data on the SD but for games, you have a blob(OBB) sitting on the large space and some time on SD card, which can slow things down considerably. Another thing is a simplification, well I view this one as a trade off. As a geek I don't care much whether things goes on internal memory or external SD, as long as I know where everything is and how to back things up. This is not an issue for me. But having just one large storage area does simplify thing for most people, it also means easier to back thing up. Considering the faster NAND means faster transfer speed for backing up stuff out of the phone also.
In term of custom ROMs and stuff, the true is yes there is option to the bootloader unlocked Note 4, but it's never near the level of OnePlus. If you look at CyanogenMod web site, you can see that the most up to date for Note 4 is CM12.1, while even OPO is up to 14. Sure there are other AOSP ROM in the XDA, but at some point you want things to be just stable and at the minimum up to date security patches. This can complicate things if you have to jump from ROM to ROM just to keep the security patch up to date.

Well set your priorities and decide. I obviously own a Note 4, that's why posting in this topic. Going for OP3T will give you better battery life. Significantly faster fingerprint sensor. Probably a little better camera (I am not sure about this camera part, the sensor is pretty small in comparison with Note 4, but its a newer sensor!), Dash charging, which is the best charging technology out there, and Oxygen OS with lots of dev support (though that's for OP3, not T), needless to say almost any skin is better than TW.
What will you lose in the process then? I think video quality, the video samples from OP3 were really average, no fine details! Asking several Samsung users tells me that call quality on OP3 isn't as great! Note 4 has excellent call quality. GPS accuracy is also not as good! There is the touch latency, 65 ms on Note 4 vs 95 on OP3, and then the last thing, the Pentile 1080p display. I couldn't care much about the resolution, but its Pentile, so not 1080p at first place! But if Anand's chart of OP3's screen calibration is right then the saturation and colour accuracy should be much better on the OP3 than Note 4.
That's all. I myself am really torn. My Note 4 is already on sell on eBay. I am torn between Pixel XL and OP3T. While the former's price is unnecessarily huge, OP3T's price is a no brainer. Don't know yet really.

ithehappy said:
But if Anand's chart of OP3's screen calibration is right then the saturation and colour accuracy should be much better on the OP3 than Note 4.
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I did see that article from Anandtech as well, but that option was in developer settings. Do you know if this option was finally in the normal setting and if it is a default now?

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I did see that article from Anandtech as well, but that option was in developer settings. Do you know if this option was finally in the normal setting and if it is a default now?
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It's still under developer settings and it also might not stick after a reboot, got this response after asking the same in OP3 WhatsApp group. That's not cool
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It's still under developer settings and it also might not stick after a reboot, got this response after asking the same in OP3 WhatsApp group. That's not cool
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I can only hope the initial stock ROM on 3T have that fixed and be a default, since it will be different (newer) than the OP3 at this moment. From what I see on the reviews, there is some UI changes as well.

Does Shamu have a worthy successor yet ?!

Hiya tech-mates !
I'd love to have your opinion.
I just asked myself, if my (underestimated)beloved Shamu needs to be replaced tomorrow, for any reason, (hope he won't, at least few years)
which phone could be as good as N6 was (and still is) nowadays ?
I.e. our shamu is being old little by little but still in race yet imo..
Got it since 2 years from now, and the more time passes, the more I like N6 !
-32/64bits transition is in a good way and almost finished (flagships). I think new SoCs (even more powerful) are still not as efficient as SD805 is. (without filling RAM with useless data or using an 32bits-adaptator which waste ressources)
-Cameras are quite better now
-Fingerprint scanner is a classic feature now (if you need it)
-Stock ROM "outdated" and security patch ends soon
-better StB ratio (not that much)
IMO, there's no device yet which beat the Shamu considering overall characteristics. And buying a new one will make me loose some beloved features I guess (screen size/type/quality, awesome dualspeakers, software fluidity, xda ressources/ROMS, Qi, LED)
If I need to buy a new phone today, I'll surely take a brand new N6 but i'll think about waiting for a OP5 or maybe chinese devices P10+/Mi Mix2/Mi 6+.
Which one would you choose ? (do your own suggestions)
(excuse my english, he's dirty)

I would recommend either waiting for the OP5 or getting the OP3T. I used to own the N6 but it ended in a tragic fate. So I decided to get the OP3T. Love it! Super fast, great camera, great battery, I love the fingerprint scanner, and the notification LED. The only downfall IMO is the speaker. It can easily be covered up and block sound. Other than that I would definitely recommend the OP3T or the OP5 if it it any good
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baeren131 said:
I would recommend either waiting for the OP5 or getting the OP3T. I used to own the N6 but it ended in a tragic fate. So I decided to get the OP3T. Love it! Super fast, great camera, great battery, I love the fingerprint scanner, and the notification LED. The only downfall IMO is the speaker. It can easily be covered up and block sound. Other than that I would definitely recommend the OP3T or the OP5 if it it any good
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Is there any phone which have a speaker as good as the N6s one ?
So hard to leave that speaker :S

mesco38 said:
Is there any phone which have a speaker as good as the N6s one ? [emoji14]
So hard to leave that speaker :S
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I can only think of the 6P or the pixel... (If you don't get one with the glitched out speaker...) But sorry. I can't think of anything, but I know what you mean. I definitely miss that
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The new Google phones are to expensive .
OnePlus 3T or LG G6 are acceptable priced.
But my N6 - debloated and decrypted - is still fast and smooth.
I can wait...

mesco38 said:
Is there any phone which have a speaker as good as the N6s one ?
So hard to leave that speaker :S
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The Axon 7 has very good sound, stereo speakers.

mesco38 said:
Is there any phone which have a speaker as good as the N6s one ? [emoji14]
So hard to leave that speaker :S
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Pixel XL speaker is much weaker (hah). Clear but sounds muffled compared to the venerable Shamu. Also only one speaker so the only stereo is through the headphone jack. Other than that, the Marlin is nice.

I read an article recently that Nokia (Yeah, read that correctly) wants to push the Nexus line back into existence. Or at least as close as possible, replicating the Nexus experience of little to no bloatware, and fast updates. My N6 is chugging along just fine right now, but I hope that Nokia follows through, because that just might be my new phone..

I've been watching for one, but there just aren't a lot of options if you like larger phones. What I need to see...
5.5" minimum screen size. 16:9. Might have to reevaluate if the ratios change much more. 1080p or better.
AOSP builds supported, no locked bootloader.
Better RAM/CPU/storage specs than the N6.
SD card. I don't care if the phone comes with 1TB internal, I want the damn SD slot. The manufacturing cost is about 20 cents, just put it in.
Forward facing speakers that sound decent.
Decent reception on TMobile LTE bands. Ideally supporting all US carriers, but Sprint/VZW are annoying.
Ideally, TMobile WiFi calling enabled.
Ideally, 4000+ mAh battery or user removable so I can get a bigger battery.
Ideally, flat screen so I can use tempered glass screen protectors.
Max price $500 US.
Oh yeah, no spontaneous combustion.
Axon 7 is the only one close. Flat screen and battery are not there, but the price is nice and performance is good. AOSP builds are fully functional now, thanks to the devs over there.

I know it's not a nexus-killer, but I just ordered a Note 5 to replace my Nexus 6. There's nothing that quite matches the beauty of Samsung, plus I just miss the S-Pen. Plus it'll be just enough smaller, thinner, and lighter enough that it won't feel big and bulky in my hand, as well as it being nice and balanced unlike the N6 which is noticeably bigger and heavier on the top than on the bottom.
The only things I'll really miss of the N6 are 1) 100% carrier compatibility 2) Stereo front speakers (oh man, no phone beats these) and 3) plain stock os, although that's starting to lag behind on speed (even though it gets faster antutu than lineage). Anyway. I'm pretty excited. And again, definitely not a nexus-killer in any way, but the Note 5 just has things I value more than getting a vanilla experience.
Besides, if Google is going to turn Apple and make an iphone-clone and also make it so I have to be unrooted/locked anyway in order to pass safetynet, I might as well move back to what's comfortable to use. Just my 2c.

NLBeev said:
The new Google phones are to expensive .
OnePlus 3T or LG G6 are acceptable priced.
But my N6 - debloated and decrypted - is still fast and smooth.
I can wait...
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Totally agree and will wait too until he dies
N6 debloated, even encrypted, still runs everything perfectly smoothly and still have one of the best stereo dual speakers.. Autonomy is fine too, event after 2 years he's still running 1 day and half with normal/good use (no wifi, always on 4G, no gps, using youtube with or without earphones at least 1 hour)

alresave said:
The Axon 7 has very good sound, stereo speakers.
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Wow, didn't know that phone, looks great. Stock ROM excepted, he really looks like a N6 "successor" (not really sure that SD820+4Go RAM+64bitsOS runs that much better than SD805+3Go RAM+32bitsOS - your opinion ?)(I don't trust benchmarks)
Heard something about alternative ROMs with him ? Will look after some xda forums
Anything about ZTE quality/updates/after-sales ?

ttabbal said:
I've been watching for one, but there just aren't a lot of options if you like larger phones. What I need to see...
5.5" minimum screen size. 16:9. Might have to reevaluate if the ratios change much more. 1080p or better.
AOSP builds supported, no locked bootloader.
Better RAM/CPU/storage specs than the N6.
SD card. I don't care if the phone comes with 1TB internal, I want the damn SD slot. The manufacturing cost is about 20 cents, just put it in.
Forward facing speakers that sound decent.
Decent reception on TMobile LTE bands. Ideally supporting all US carriers, but Sprint/VZW are annoying.
Ideally, TMobile WiFi calling enabled.
Ideally, 4000+ mAh battery or user removable so I can get a bigger battery.
Ideally, flat screen so I can use tempered glass screen protectors.
Max price $500 US.
Oh yeah, no spontaneous combustion.
Axon 7 is the only one close. Flat screen and battery are not there, but the price is nice and performance is good. AOSP builds are fully functional now, thanks to the devs over there.
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Totally agreed.. SDCard excepted, got the same requirements
Hope there's a new phone soon (pixel2 ? but they don't seem to go on this way..)
Axon 7 looks great indeed

BlockOfDynamite said:
I know it's not a nexus-killer, but I just ordered a Note 5 to replace my Nexus 6. There's nothing that quite matches the beauty of Samsung, plus I just miss the S-Pen. Plus it'll be just enough smaller, thinner, and lighter enough that it won't feel big and bulky in my hand, as well as it being nice and balanced unlike the N6 which is noticeably bigger and heavier on the top than on the bottom.
The only things I'll really miss of the N6 are 1) 100% carrier compatibility 2) Stereo front speakers (oh man, no phone beats these) and 3) plain stock os, although that's starting to lag behind on speed (even though it gets faster antutu than lineage). Anyway. I'm pretty excited. And again, definitely not a nexus-killer in any way, but the Note 5 just has things I value more than getting a vanilla experience.
Besides, if Google is going to turn Apple and make an iphone-clone and also make it so I have to be unrooted/locked anyway in order to pass safetynet, I might as well move back to what's comfortable to use. Just my 2c.
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SHAME ON U
SHAME2U
SHAMU !!
What's the interest turning GPhones into Apple-likePhones ?

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What's the interest turning GPhones into Apple-likePhones ?
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Money! They want us to use Android pay. Banks don't like rooting; fear of fraud.

As the Moto X Pure was a nice update of what I loved about the N6, I was hoping that the 2017 Moto X would continue that line. Unfortunately, from the leaks we have seen, it looks more like an HTC phone or even an iPhone than the logical continuation of the N6. But the price points that MotoLenova are hitting are really tempting. I even think the G5 Plus would make a nice phone at that price. I'll see what they eventually release with the Moto X before I decide. I've just gotten to a point where the Pixels of the world are too expensive for what you get.
But like all of us here in the N6 forum, I am still rocking my Shamu.

NLBeev said:
Money! They want us to use Android pay. Banks don't like rooting; fear of fraud.
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IMO, I don't think Android/applepay will last over time..
So insecure and new-gen credit cards are developped right now (with screen/digital pin or fingerprint scanner)

mesco38 said:
IMO, I don't think Android/applepay will last over time..
So insecure and new-gen credit cards are developped right now (with screen/digital pin or fingerprint scanner)
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But I can't think of other reasons why Google makes it more difficult to get root access.
G. doesn't even manage to create a dark UI.
I am beginning to dislike Google....
Hopefully there will be soon new credit-cards.
BTw Phone paying is recently introduced here in the Netherlands.

NLBeev said:
But I can't think of other reasons why Google makes it more difficult to get root access.
G. doesn't even manage to create a dark UI.
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I guess, users who make last their phone 3+ years by rooting, installing customroms, changing screens and batteries themselves, is not worthy in this consumery society..
When you see how sheeps spend their money with iPhones, spending 1000€/years sometimes to get a 2years-late technology.. Com'on, "Think different"
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I am beginning to dislike Google....
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Yep, same for me :crying:
At least stock android/G-devices
NLBeev said:
Hopefully there will be soon new credit-cards.
BTw Phone paying is recently introduced here in the Netherlands.
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Here, in France, banks have already made an agreement among them, tu use a local payment service called "paylib". So they don't wanna introduce android pay. (but applepay is already working here..)
Fu**ing retarded country we are..

mesco38 said:
Totally agreed.. SDCard excepted, got the same requirements
Hope there's a new phone soon (pixel2 ? but they don't seem to go on this way..)
Axon 7 looks great indeed
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SD is one of those things people seem to love or hate. There's no one right way, but there's also nothing saying you have to put a card in there if there's a slot. But if there's not a slot, you have no choice. As it's tiny, costs almost nothing, and harms nothing to have it, why not? Then everyone can have it however they like. Those digital packrats can have tons of storage, those who prefer not to have one just don't install one. The Axon 7 implementation is particularly nice, the SIM tray is a dual SIM and one of them can be an SD or a SIM. It can even be both, but that requires some modifications to the SD cards. IMO the only people to gain anything from it not being there are device manufacturers (sell overpriced higher capacity versions), and cloud providers trying to sell you storage.
Axon 7 is really the only device I could see buying right now. The LG G6 looks nice, but LGs history with bootloops and lack of service has me avoiding them. AOSP is not possible at the moment though, so G6 is out.
OnePlus 3T looks nice, screen is a bit small and no SD.
I really liked my Note 3, but Samsung is on a lockdown thing right now, and I won't buy a device I can't actually own. He who controls the software controls the device.
None have the removable battery, which would be nice, and all are a bit small on battery for me, but I can live with that. Nothing is perfect. I'm in no hurry at the moment, Shamu and the devs here are treating me well.

What went wrong with Nokia 8?

It's a great phone and most impressive is SD 835 in it but today I found a deal on my local used market for 250$. He'll, I want to buy it but I don't know why it's so cheap. I am getting he'll of a deal here but is it any good?
I read comments on Amazon and many said it's having a heating problem. I want to buy a good phone for gaming as my Moto Z Play couldn't able to handle pubg very well.
One more thing is that the xda community had igoned Nokia 8, it doesn't have a single official custom ROM or recovery. Phone is good but all this things keeping me from not buying it. I want to know is it any good to buy a used one for 250$?

XDA community hasn't ignored it so much as Nokia/HMD haven't allowed the bootloader to be unlocked
The phone's principal other flaw is that the camera isn't great. Both the stock camera software (post processing, features) and the sensor aren't up to the quality you would expect of a 2017 flagship or even (for the most part) the Galaxy S6 I upgraded from. Until now running modded Google cam has allievated the software side, and there's an update rolling out from Friday that will add camera functionality and hopefully improve the processing and the use of the monochrome sensor. I wouldn't expect miracles though.
Other than those points this is a solid phone. The screen is a nice IPS that does good blacks, accurate colours and is capable of very high brightness. There is no heating problem and in fact this is the coolest phone I've ever used, it's a challenge to make this thing heat up. Software is as close to stock you'll get on a non-Google device. SnapDragon 835 blasts through anything you might want to do. Headphone jack seems to supply a lot of power and music sounds clean and clear. Nokia has been good with updates thus far, releasing OS and security updates better than any non-Google phone afaik.

I also found a great deal for a Nokia 8 6gb ram 128gb internal for 250$. Still thinking if i should give up my Moto Z Play for this Nokia

if quality(which can be improved with a new app) of photos is not your top priority, then you should definitely buy this one.

Manish355 said:
It's a great phone and most impressive is SD 835 in it but today I found a deal on my local used market for 250$. He'll, I want to buy it but I don't know why it's so cheap. I am getting he'll of a deal here but is it any good?
I read comments on Amazon and many said it's having a heating problem. I want to buy a good phone for gaming as my Moto Z Play couldn't able to handle pubg very well.
One more thing is that the xda community had igoned Nokia 8, it doesn't have a single official custom ROM or recovery. Phone is good but all this things keeping me from not buying it. I want to know is it any good to buy a used one for 250$?
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Nothing went wrong, it was a loss leader to get the Nokia brand up and running and noticed again.
Best phone i have owned apart from the camera in low light but the new camera app may help with that.

It's a great phone for gaming...I play pubg mobile on the maximum settings with extreme FPS settings and it's silky smooth... It does warm up a little but less then any other phone I've had while gaming, the one and only issue I have with this phone is that the power button has a little bit of rattle/play and that drives my OCD crazy.

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I also found a great deal for a Nokia 8 6gb ram 128gb internal for 250$. Still thinking if i should give up my Moto Z Play for this Nokia
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I couldn't decide too, but i think i need to give up my Moto Z Play for PUBG. And SD835 is future proof too. I don't use camera that much so it's not an issue for me, i think it should be a good deal.

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It's a great phone for gaming...I play pubg mobile on the maximum settings with extreme FPS settings and it's silky smooth... It does warm up a little but less then any other phone I've had while gaming, the one and only issue I have with this phone is that the power button has a little bit of rattle/play and that drives my OCD crazy.
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Thanks bro, i wanted to know how PUBG runs on Nokia 8, i am gonna buy it. Only thing thats i'm scared of is Custom ROMs. I like to flash different ROMs. Man, i need to choose between Customization and Gaming.

Almajo88 said:
XDA community hasn't ignored it so much as Nokia/HMD haven't allowed the bootloader to be unlocked
The phone's principal other flaw is that the camera isn't great. Both the stock camera software (post processing, features) and the sensor aren't up to the quality you would expect of a 2017 flagship or even (for the most part) the Galaxy S6 I upgraded from. Until now running modded Google cam has allievated the software side, and there's an update rolling out from Friday that will add camera functionality and hopefully improve the processing and the use of the monochrome sensor. I wouldn't expect miracles though.
Other than those points this is a solid phone. The screen is a nice IPS that does good blacks, accurate colours and is capable of very high brightness. There is no heating problem and in fact this is the coolest phone I've ever used, it's a challenge to make this thing heat up. Software is as close to stock you'll get on a non-Google device. SnapDragon 835 blasts through anything you might want to do. Headphone jack seems to supply a lot of power and music sounds clean and clear. Nokia has been good with updates thus far, releasing OS and security updates better than any non-Google phone afaik.
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Wow, even bootloader is not possible to unlock on the phone. I am scared that I'd be bored after some time of using it. But, i think the most important thing for me would be gaming than flashing custom ROMs. I'd be buying it soon.

Compared to Samsung Galaxy Note 9, How much will you rate the Oneplus 6T

From 1-10, what you gonna rate the oneplus and the note 9?

7, would be higher if it had a headphone jack, sd card slot and or stereo speakers. The Note 9 has all of those.

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From 1-10, what you gonna rate the oneplus and the note 9?
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8 Because of the blazingly fast speed and updates though i like this in display fingerint scanner its fine OOS is like stock android i like stock android samsung experience has slow updates and too many bloatwares no headphone jack is fine for me i dont listen to music so much small notch i like it.

I prefer the 6T so I'll give it an 11. The size and weight of the phone feels better in my hand, I do fewer misclicks with a flat panel compared to infinity display, quick updates and the 6T is faster than the Note 9 at just about everything.
Headphone jack I wish was there but that battery life makes up for it. I'd also like wireless charging but again when I have 40% left at the end of the day, who needs charging.

10, due to the fact that the oneplus 6t's OS is near stock , frequent updates , better hardware and mainly the amazing battery life.

20 , wouldn't touch Samsung with a stick

jim262 said:
7, would be higher if it had a headphone jack, sd card slot and or stereo speakers. The Note 9 has all of those.
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I don't really get people complaining about no SD card slot. Base model has 128GB of storage and you can get 256GB model for a lower price than the Note 9. I mean, there's no way you're going to fill all this space (unless you REALLY want to). Internal storage is also faster.
As for a score- 8. 6T isn't without flaws and compromises, but it's also incredible at what it does, especially if you consider the price.. If I could get Google Play Edition of the Note 9 that would be no brainier.

Ryan Mixed said:
8 Because of the blazingly fast speed and updates though i like this in display fingerint scanner its fine OOS is like stock android i like stock android samsung experience has slow updates and too many bloatwares no headphone jack is fine for me i dont listen to music so much small notch i like it.
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What you call bloatware is what I miss on the OnePlus.
Samsung ecosystem is so great, that's what I'm really missing compared to my s9 (don't own note 9).

Lebrun213 said:
What you call bloatware is what I miss on the OnePlus.
Samsung ecosystem is so great, that's what I'm really missing compared to my s9 (don't own note 9).
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I have to admit that between stock android and TouchWiz, I much preferred stock but after testing the One UI, even though it's heavier than stock, I actually like it. At least you don't need so many duplicate apps as Samsung allows you not to install its own app if you prefer to use Google's

Op 6T for "
- price, cca. 1/2 of note 9
- hardware. Allmost the same, with More ram
- software. It's the second phone after Google to get Android updates.

I had the note 8 and love my 6T. I will give it an 8.

The only thing that I wish the 6t had would be stereo speakers.

mjnoles1 said:
The only thing that I wish the 6t had would be stereo speakers.
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Yes, this, absolutely. Watching a video without headsets on the 6T is was makes me miss the Note 9 the most. That sound is horrible.

I'll take the 6T over the Note 9 (I came from a Note 8) any day of the week and twice on Sunday, because:
1. Price
2. Specs
3. Battery life
4. Updates
5. Root
6. No bloat/close to stock Android experience
This is a true flagship phone at midrange price. I thought I'd miss wireless charging, SD card, and headphone jack, but I dont. I'm a fairly heavy user and I'm usually between 40-60% battery left at the end of the day with 6 hours of SOT. When you couple all those things together, the 6T is a slam dunk.

jamaniek said:
I don't really get people complaining about no SD card slot. Base model has 128GB of storage and you can get 256GB model for a lower price than the Note 9. I mean, there's no way you're going to fill all this space (unless you REALLY want to). Internal storage is also faster.
As for a score- 8. 6T isn't without flaws and compromises, but it's also incredible at what it does, especially if you consider the price.. If I could get Google Play Edition of the Note 9 that would be no brainier.
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You obviously don't travel much. When I travel, much of the time there is little to no internet access. So streaming, downloading and watching movies becomes quite difficult since there's little to no internet access and what there is charges for it or you must share free internet with 1000s of other users, which also opens up all sorts of other problems. Having games, videos and movies pre-downloaded to SD cards, allow me to swap out things quite easily without loading up my phones memory. This also is financially better for me, as I don't need to purchase the more expensive model with more storage and can use that additional money on my trip for other things. Bottom line, it makes life easier.

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You obviously don't travel much. When I travel, much of the time there is little to no internet access. So streaming, downloading and watching movies becomes quite difficult since there's little to no internet access and what there is charges for it or you must share free internet with 1000s of other users, which also opens up all sorts of other problems. Having games, videos and movies pre-downloaded to SD cards, allow me to swap out things quite easily without loading up my phones memory. This also is financially better for me, as I don't need to purchase the more expensive model with more storage and can use that additional money on my trip for other things. Bottom line, it makes life easier.
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Memory card does have advantages, I like the Note 9's hybrid SIM setup (two SIMs or one SIM and one memory card). I personally have a hard time using even a quarter of the 128gb I have on the 6T. Went to Vegas recently, I think I put 8 movies on the phone to have plenty of entertainment and I'm not even sure that used more than 15% of the storage.

jim262 said:
You obviously don't travel much. When I travel, much of the time there is little to no internet access. So streaming, downloading and watching movies becomes quite difficult since there's little to no internet access and what there is charges for it or you must share free internet with 1000s of other users, which also opens up all sorts of other problems. Having games, videos and movies pre-downloaded to SD cards, allow me to swap out things quite easily without loading up my phones memory. This also is financially better for me, as I don't need to purchase the more expensive model with more storage and can use that additional money on my trip for other things. Bottom line, it makes life easier.
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Nice assumption first of all.
I travel to places where I'll be able to have a decent internet access or to places where I don't need it that much. And even if I did...256GB of movies and games? What are you watching and where? If I'm planning to watch a movie on a trip I'm going to bring my laptop with me and not watch it on 6-ish inch screen.
MicroSD Cards (apart from the most expensive ones) also are almost certain to give user a headache while recording [email protected] video...on a trip for example.
I'm not trying to offend you or assume you don't need. Just saying that the need to have more than 256GB of storage on a mobile phone is a niche at best. To the point where OEMs don't even bother. They can spend their time, effort and space for something different, not a feature that is not going to drive the sales one bit.

I don't go for the flashy/trendy things. For the past 4 years, I've been quite happy with the Huawei phones,
after the problems I had with the OnePlus One. Now that the Huawei phones won't really have any love for
the USA market (understandable), gave the OP phone another look. One of my coworkers bought the 6 and
has had zero trouble, so I got the 6T about 3 weeks ago. They have obviously improved. Build quality, finish
is better than the OnePlus One. Receiving the updates in a timely manner is another thing.
Camera for my use is good enough. If I want a quality photo, I'll just use my real camera. But, the camera is
adequate for snapshots, and good lighting photos. I use 3 camera apps. Open camera if I'm in a hurry, Camera FV-5
if I want to really get a good photo, and the pixel 3 camera app that works for the OP6T in low light.
I just don't see the justification for spending 800-1000 dollars for a phone, that for most, will keep maybe 24-36 months.
But, it's a free thing...buy what you want.

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Nice assumption first of all.
I travel to places where I'll be able to have a decent internet access or to places where I don't need it that much. And even if I did...256GB of movies and games? What are you watching and where? If I'm planning to watch a movie on a trip I'm going to bring my laptop with me and not watch it on 6-ish inch screen.
MicroSD Cards (apart from the most expensive ones) also are almost certain to give user a headache while recording [email protected] video...on a trip for example.
I'm not trying to offend you or assume you don't need. Just saying that the need to have more than 256GB of storage on a mobile phone is a niche at best. To the point where OEMs don't even bother. They can spend their time, effort and space for something different, not a feature that is not going to drive the sales one bit.
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If you travel for work, you do not have the luxury to determine your internet capabilities. Also, when you are flying or in the airport, you may not have access for as much as a full day.

I have both and swap back and forth. I am leaning more to the 6t due to form factor, battery and speed.
Note 9 for sound, memory card support and camera.
One plus gets a 9 and note 9 a 8 or 8.5 if half scores are acceptable.

Question Coming from New Oneplus 9 Pro to S21 Ultra

So last week i bought new Oneplus 9Pro was using 7Pro previously
the battery on 9pro is soo worse..... and its not possible for me to charge the phone everytime SOT time is less then 3 hours
heating issues......
if i use camera it work for few min then recording stops getting notification phone heats up....
in the end i am really not satisfied with it.. now i am thinking to switch to Samsung S21 Ultra..
how's the battery life i am from india so ill be getting exynos version.. and can the samsung be easily rootable? any other drawback ?

nitinvaid said:
So last week i bought new Oneplus 9Pro was using 7Pro previously
the battery on 9pro is soo worse..... and its not possible for me to charge the phone everytime SOT time is less then 3 hours
heating issues......
if i use camera it work for few min then recording stops getting notification phone heats up....
in the end i am really not satisfied with it.. now i am thinking to switch to Samsung S21 Ultra..
how's the battery life i am from india so ill be getting exynos version.. and can the samsung be easily rootable? any other drawback ?
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I went from 9 Pro to the S21 Ultra Snapdragon version a few days ago and it is a very nice device so far. I just got so fed up with OnePlus price increases while having awful customer service again and again, across several years but getting worse and worse with my 7 Pro and 9 Pro.
My takeaway.
1. The S21 Ultra display seems smoother in PokeMon go. the 7 Pro and 9 Pro never felt high refresh rate and I was always a bit bummed it wasn't better, but the S21 Ultra seems so much smoother in FPS refresh.
2. The 21 Ultra seems to have battery optimizations that don't ruin other apps. SMS Backup and restore would fail again and again on my 7 Pro and 9 Pro. I would try to restore 60k messages and I wouldn't have any other apps open, but just having my screen timeout and the app would stop and act like I never started it. I tried disabling battery optimizations, but that didn't fix anything. The S21 Ultra powered through these and didn't raise any issues. In fact, I restored about 800k messages (a lot of old backups I wasn't sure if they had restored properly so just making sure), and the S21 ultra powered through. I even opened Pokemon go while doing this.
4. Battery life on the S21 Ultra seem very good. The display is nice and bright and fluid. One noticably difference is the weight of the device. My 21 Ultra feels way bigger and heavier than my 9 Pro. The fingerprint scanner is always pretty fast and accurate. Also, since the screen isn't curved that much, the screen protectors will be easier to apply and not have them peel up or offer poor protection at teh edges.

I also cannot decide between OP9 pro and Galaxy S21 ultra.

I have the Exynos model.
Battery life is immense, I regularly get to the end of a 16+ hour day with circa 40% battery and having had over 4 hours SOT. Reaching 6 hours+ SOT on these phones is easy.
No issues with heating myself, although I've read others who have. My device with normal user hovers in the high 20s / low 30s degrees C, but that's with UK ambient temps. In India that's bound to be higher. If I record video or use the phone for something intense, it will go up to the high 30s but I think I've only seen it over 40 degrees once when I was benchmarking not long after I first got it in March.
I've rooted mine, it's very easy to do. However, I regretted it, but only because my 8 year old son dropped my phone about a week after I did that and Samsung refused to fix it even on a paid, non-warranty repair thanks to their bulls**t Knox policy. As such I'll never buy another Samsung device but I can't lie even though I'm annoyed with them, this is the best phone I've owned and the best phone out there right now I think. I bought a screen assembly for £280 UK, it's really easy to fit and now the phone is as good as new.

I'd go with Note 20U, you'll want the SD card slot.
It's also running on the less problematic Android 10.

Beefheart said:
I have the Exynos model.
Battery life is immense, I regularly get to the end of a 16+ hour day with circa 40% battery and having had over 4 hours SOT. Reaching 6 hours+ SOT on these phones is easy.
No issues with heating myself, although I've read others who have. My device with normal user hovers in the high 20s / low 30s degrees C, but that's with UK ambient temps. In India that's bound to be higher. If I record video or use the phone for something intense, it will go up to the high 30s but I think I've only seen it over 40 degrees once when I was benchmarking not long after I first got it in March.
I've rooted mine, it's very easy to do. However, I regretted it, but only because my 8 year old son dropped my phone about a week after I did that and Samsung refused to fix it even on a paid, non-warranty repair thanks to their bulls**t Knox policy. As such I'll never buy another Samsung device but I can't lie even though I'm annoyed with them, this is the best phone I've owned and the best phone out there right now I think. I bought a screen assembly for £280 UK, it's really easy to fit and now the phone is as good as new.
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Yes samsung service center personal are like dogs......
They sniff your phone to find out how to say to customer your warranty is void

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I'd go with Note 20U, you'll want the SD card slot.
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How did you come to that conclusion? I've got 256gb in my Ultra and I doubt I'll ever get near to filling it and I suspect the same would apply to the vast majority of other users.
Gone are the days were films and music media needed to be held locally, it's almost all stream services now. Vast storage on a phone these days isn't a necessity for the majority, and that will only become more the case as we move forward.

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How did you come to that conclusion? I've got 256gb in my Ultra and I doubt I'll ever get near to filling it and I suspect the same would apply to the vast majority of other users.
Gone are the days were films and music media needed to be held locally, it's almost all stream services now. Vast storage on a phone these days isn't a necessity for the majority, and that will only become more the case as we move forward.
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You can't stream what's not there... and you waste battery. No internet, no music.
With over 200 albums including HDCDs I don't care about online music much other than to sample. This arrangement allows me to fully utilize Poweramp's extensive audio features as well so it sounds better and the playlists/library are embedded and fully backed up.
Zero cloud dependent here.
You need an SD card to use as a data drive for critical data. All my machines are set up with an OS drive and a separate data drive(s).
Android OS's rarely crash until they do. At that point I can do a full restore in under 2 hours with no internet connection. Apps, backup files, everything I need is ready to go. No PC needed either as all the data is already on a .5tb V30 card which is redundantly backed up to a flash drive and hdds just in case.
The data drive also serve as a buffer zone in the case of malware infections. In over 15 years only once did malware breach a data drive; I can't say the same for the OS drives.

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You can't stream what's not there... and you waste battery. No internet, no music.
With over 200 albums including HDCDs I don't care about online music much other than to sample. This arrangement allows me to fully utilize Poweramp's extensive audio features as well so it sounds better and the playlists/library are embedded and fully backed up.
Zero cloud dependent here.
You need an SD card to use as a data drive for critical data. All my machines are set up with an OS drive and a separate data drive(s).
Android OS's rarely crash until they do. At that point I can do a full restore in under 2 hours with no internet connection. Apps, backup files, everything I need is ready to go. No PC needed either as all the data is already on a .5tb V30 card which is redundantly backed up to a flash drive and hdds just in case.
The data drive also serve as a buffer zone in the case of malware infections. In over 15 years only once did malware breach a data drive; I can't say the same for the OS drives.
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Ah, so you were taking your needs and saying it applied to him. Gotcha.
Personally, I perform a regular Nandroid backup so no matter what happens I have a means of returning it to its previous state.
Even speaking as someone who's worked in IT for 25+ years it sounds like you're using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

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Ah, so you were taking your needs and saying it applied to him. Gotcha.
Personally, I perform a regular Nandroid backup so no matter what happens I have a means of returning it to its previous state.
Even speaking as someone who's worked in IT for 25+ years it sounds like you're using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
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Allow me to retort *grin*,
I'm saying simply don't buy a very expensive phone that grossly limits your options by having no SD card support.
For years I used my SD card haphazardly like most until I realized I had a 1tb dual drive computer in my hands.
A SD card used correctly increases not only the memory capacity but the speed, redundancy, versatility and security of an Android. If you root you definitely want one...
So yeah, I think you goofed up

We clearly have different definitions of what constitutes having one's options grossly limited.
Would I choose having an SD card slot over not having one? Yes. Would I describe not having one as being grossly limiting? No. I have enough knowledge of how phones and general technology works to get around any so called limitations the lack of one would bring.
As for the goofed up comment. Odd.

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We clearly have different definitions of what constitutes having one's options grossly limited.
Would I choose having an SD card slot over not having one? Yes. Would I describe not having one as being grossly limiting? No. I have enough knowledge of how phones and general technology works to get around any so called limitations the lack of one would bring.
As for the goofed up comment. Odd.
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It's impossible to replace a data drive with up to a terabyte of additional storage. There's no easy workaround to not having instant access to data.
For a high end Samsung you should have this option. That's one reason repeat buyers choose Samsung, options, more then you'll ever likely use but they are there... or should be.
Something the inept marketing people at Samsung chose to ignore.
Actions have consequences Sammy.
I could buy a new flag$hip phone now but I choose not to. Instant karma Sammy...
Meanwhile some of the competition decided they would include SD card slots.
And one of those boasts the new graphene battery technology as well. As Sammy $crews around with their floundering Fold beta hardware some companies are slamming down advanced tech solutions that work.

Ill be getting 512 GB version exynos
one more thing will viper4android works? what are the steps to install viper in samsung

Have bought the 21 Ultra 16 GB RAM 512 GB version
i have wireless charger of oneplus... it seems to be not working with this its detecting and then notification charging paused same thing again and again in loop....

nitinvaid said:
Have bought the 21 Ultra 16 GB RAM 512 GB version
i have wireless charger of oneplus... it seems to be not working with this its detecting and then notification charging paused same thing again and again in loop....
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The S21U will charge with any wireless charger that is Qi certified. If it isn't, it may not charge

nitinvaid said:
Have bought the 21 Ultra 16 GB RAM 512 GB version..
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Nice, top version of SGS21U Give up you're thoughts about in comparison to OP9

Dizzyrul3z said:
Nice, top version of SGS21U Give up you're thoughts about in comparison to OP9
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sure i will
i just tried to plug the USB type C cable to 3.5MM headphone cable its not working with S21 ULTRA?

Beefheart said:
I have the Exynos model.
Battery life is immense, I regularly get to the end of a 16+ hour day with circa 40% battery and having had over 4 hours SOT. Reaching 6 hours+ SOT on these phones is easy.
No issues with heating myself, although I've read others who have. My device with normal user hovers in the high 20s / low 30s degrees C, but that's with UK ambient temps. In India that's bound to be higher. If I record video or use the phone for something intense, it will go up to the high 30s but I think I've only seen it over 40 degrees once when I was benchmarking not long after I first got it in March.
I've rooted mine, it's very easy to do. However, I regretted it, but only because my 8 year old son dropped my phone about a week after I did that and Samsung refused to fix it even on a paid, non-warranty repair thanks to their bulls**t Knox policy. As such I'll never buy another Samsung device but I can't lie even though I'm annoyed with them, this is the best phone I've owned and the best phone out there right now I think. I bought a screen assembly for £280 UK, it's really easy to fit and now the phone is as good as new.
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I am not able to figure it out how to root it.... easy way

Beefheart said:
How did you come to that conclusion? I've got 256gb in my Ultra and I doubt I'll ever get near to filling it and I suspect the same would apply to the vast majority of other users.
Gone are the days were films and music media needed to be held locally, it's almost all stream services now. Vast storage on a phone these days isn't a necessity for the majority, and that will only become more the case as we move forward.
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It isn't necessary but it's nice to have. I was hesitant to buy the s21 ultra and waited a few months just because of the SD card slot. I can manage to work around not having it but why if you don't have to? I like having my lossless music and all my photos and videos on one card that I can move on to the next phone. Obviously you gotta change with the times now that no phones really have it any more. Though I'm jumping to the Sony Xperia 1 III as soon as it's available.

nitinvaid said:
Have bought the 21 Ultra 16 GB RAM 512 GB version
i have wireless charger of oneplus... it seems to be not working with this its detecting and then notification charging paused same thing again and again in loop....
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I have the same issue with the onplus wireless charger and any of my Samsung phones. The Note 20 ultra, z Fold 2 or the s21 ultra. Not sure why that is the case. Luckily I have a bunch of Samsung fast wireless chargers laying around as well.