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If you watch the video, HTC One only has 4mp but claiming it that it has Ultrapixels. What does that mean?
knightrazor said:
Review from The Verge
If you watch the video, HTC One only has 4mp but claiming it that it has Ultrapixels. What does that mean?
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It means that the pixel is as huge as dSLR pixel.
This means that the quality of the camera pixel is like dSLR although its lower resolution.
Its like you use 10MP Canon dSLR but crop it in the middle. It is that awesome. Probably the best camera ever in smartfone. Will kill off every competitiors. Nokia Pureview also lose to dSLR camera in HTC ONE.
kkcheong said:
It means that the pixel is as huge as dSLR pixel.
This means that the quality of the camera pixel is like dSLR although its lower resolution.
Its like you use 10MP Canon dSLR but crop it in the middle. It is that awesome. Probably the best camera ever in smartfone. Will kill off every competitiors. Nokia Pureview also lose to dSLR camera in HTC ONE.
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Do you even know what a digital SLR is? the HTC phone camera is not a DSLR, nor will it every compare to one, a larger sensor and 14bit colour depth this is what really sets any DSLR from any point and shoot or phone camera.
The 2-micron pixel width in this phone???, my DSLR is over twice this 4.3-micron pixel pitch.
The proof of the quality will obviously come, but prelim reviews state that it is not as good as the Nokia.
HTC already tried this once with the HTC One, with their most stupid marketing. "HTC One Versus DSLR Images, Can You Spot The Difference?". I wrote to them and told them how stupid this marketing was. 364x268 (0.1 megapixel) photos were the comparison, so I sent them sample photo's from my Nokia N70, Blackberry 8900, HTC Desire and my 4Mp Canon G3 point and shoot. Reduced them in size to 364x268 and challenged them to tell the difference between any of them. They very quickly removed this challege from their website about 6 hours afterwards.
Don't get me wrong I am sure this camera is stunning, but it's no DLSR in terms of quality and neither is any point and shoot on the Market. Just the same as ANY cropped DLSR will compete with a full frame DSLR.
danw_oz said:
Do you even know what a digital SLR is? the HTC phone camera is not a DSLR, nor will it every compare to one, a larger sensor and 14bit colour depth this is what really sets any DSLR from any point and shoot or phone camera.
The 2-micron pixel width in this phone???, my DSLR is over twice this 4.3-micron pixel pitch.
The proof of the quality will obviously come, but prelim reviews state that it is not as good as the Nokia.
HTC already tried this once with the HTC One, with their most stupid marketing. "HTC One Versus DSLR Images, Can You Spot The Difference?". I wrote to them and told them how stupid this marketing was. 364x268 (0.1 megapixel) photos were the comparison, so I sent them sample photo's from my Nokia N70, Blackberry 8900, HTC Desire and my 4Mp Canon G3 point and shoot. Reduced them in size to 364x268 and challenged them to tell the difference between any of them. They very quickly removed this challege from their website about 6 hours afterwards.
Don't get me wrong I am sure this camera is stunning, but it's no DLSR in terms of quality and neither is any point and shoot on the Market. Just the same as ANY cropped DLSR will compete with a full frame DSLR.
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Sorry for the exaggeration. I just trying to get the point across about megapixel Vs photosites.
UltraPixel ?
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Sorry for the exaggeration. I just trying to get the point across about megapixel Vs photosites.
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Another marketing Gimmick .Make fools of intelligent .
As Said in India " It's easy to make fool of intelligent rather an idiot "
knightrazor said:
Review from The Verge
If you watch the video, HTC One only has 4mp but claiming it that it has Ultrapixels. What does that mean?
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In answer to your question, HTC are trying to be different (Marketing move to gain lots of interest).
The pixels that gather the light are larger (Ultra), allowing more light to be captured. Meaning the camera should be amazing in low light compared to most other phone cameras.
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...in-htc-one-explained-1132205?src=rss&attr=all.
My Canon G3 point and shoot camera was only 4Mp, the photo's from this camera are stunning, great lens and sensor, 4Mp is the optimal balance (quality/noise) for this image sensor size.
more megapixels really only gives you benifit from printing larger prints, or allowing a high quality crop of a shot. How many people print about A3 type size? not many and certainly from a phone.
TheMask007 said:
Another marketing Gimmick .Make fools of intelligent .
As Said in India " It's easy to make fool of intelligent rather an idiot "
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Not true. Higher megapixel is gimmick. Reducing megapixel and increase photosites is not gimmick. Its science.
Thanks for that in depth explanation.
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The pixels that gather the light are larger (Ultra), allowing more light to be captured. Meaning the camera should be amazing in low light compared to most other phone cameras.
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And I thought that the only way to gather more light is to have a lower aperture. Well with this, it's a good move to capture low light images with more details (less depth of field). This makes it perfect for concerts.
danw_oz said:
more megapixels really only gives you benifit from printing larger prints, or allowing a high quality crop of a shot. How many people print about A3 type size? not many and certainly from a phone.
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Yup, it also reduces files sizes. This is good for phones with non expandable memory. I always choose the option to have a smaller MP as these pics are only to be viewed on a laptop. If I wanted to do prints, I'd take my dSLR to shoot pics.
Here is another explanation on the ultrapixel
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/02/htc-zoe-camera/
I agree with what HTC says
More megapixels crammed into a sensor of the same size, ie 8, 13 mp in a sensor of the same size, will make the pixels themselves smaller. Less light is captured, more noise produced.
Reduce the amount of pixels and suddenly there are bigger pixels and more light can be captured. I think it will be good for the camera, as a cropped 2mp picture from a DSLR is waaaaay better than a 8mp picture from my incredible s or a one x.
Think of a wire grid fence, if you have more wires there will be more holes, but less light will be able to come through
Dunno how they will market it though. Makes it seem like the old nokias with 2mp cam are the best lol
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Review from The Verge
If you watch the video, HTC One only has 4mp but claiming it that it has Ultrapixels. What does that mean?
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Nothing. It's meaningless guff.
The HTC One has a slightly (VERY slightly) larger image sensor, and halves the number of pixels to roughly double photodiode area. That (should) mean much better low-light sensitivity and noise, but much worse resolution. (Still plenty for a typical consumer print, though.)
It simply trades off resolution for low light / noise performance. And the "Ultrapixel" doesn't exist. There have been numerous cameras in the past with the exact same pixel size as the HTC One, including camera phones. Few of them have been available for a few years, or made with current tech, but that's beside the point.
"Ultrapixel" is just a marketing brandname meant to give you the warm fuzzies and make you forget about megapixels.
kkcheong said:
It means that the pixel is as huge as dSLR pixel.
This means that the quality of the camera pixel is like dSLR although its lower resolution.
Its like you use 10MP Canon dSLR but crop it in the middle. It is that awesome. Probably the best camera ever in smartfone. Will kill off every competitiors. Nokia Pureview also lose to dSLR camera in HTC ONE.
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Complete and utter rubbish. The smallest pixel of any SLR belong to, if I'm not mistaken, the Nikon D3200. It has nearly double the pixel size of the HTC One's camera. And even a cheap consumer DSLR lens is in a different league to a smartphone lens, especially at the center of the image frame.
It is utterly unrealistic to expect even remotely similar per-pixel image quality from a DSLR and the HTC One, even for the central four megapixel crop.
Well the 4mp nothing at all
Even got 41mp also useless if don't have good camera lens
MP just the image resolution only
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XeactorZ said:
Well the 4mp nothing at all
Even got 41mp also useless if don't have good camera lens
MP just the image resolution only
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http://s1297.beta.photobucket.com/user/ivicask/media/HTC_ONE_NEXUS_4_COMPARE_zps973ef748.jpg.html
I made compare HTC ONE 4.3M cam and Nexus 8M,
as you can see in this zoomed in picture in Nexus does have more pixels, but HTC ONE has more details and colors.
Here is full original image taken from ONE S
http://mobilesyrup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/IMAG0031.jpg
Also Camera sample
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ez_HaOhtxnA
So in short, best phone camera so far if you ask me!
HTC marketing is getting ridiculously stupid, and HTC fanboys are following suit. The megapixel race is not a LIE. In bold, because HTc marketing material likes to make it bold. Megapixels is not the only factor in determining image quality, but it is an important one. But HTC wants you to believe it doesn't matter, AT ALL. So damn stupid. If it doesn't matter, then go reduce an image to a 32x32 icon. Beautiful isn't it! Looks exactly the same as the original! So stupid. HTC is just making a compromise between larger pixel sizes and resolution. The images will be worse in outdoor shots since it doesn't have as good a resolution, but indoor and low light shots will look better since it can gather more light. The question is, how much better? So far from what I can tell, the video and picture samples at the HTC event, which is indoors in low light, are not that impressive. It's definitely gonna be worse in bright outdoor use.
danw_oz said:
Do you even know what a digital SLR is? the HTC phone camera is not a DSLR, nor will it every compare to one, a larger sensor and 14bit colour depth this is what really sets any DSLR from any point and shoot or phone camera.
The 2-micron pixel width in this phone???, my DSLR is over twice this 4.3-micron pixel pitch.
The proof of the quality will obviously come, but prelim reviews state that it is not as good as the Nokia.
HTC already tried this once with the HTC One, with their most stupid marketing. "HTC One Versus DSLR Images, Can You Spot The Difference?". I wrote to them and told them how stupid this marketing was. 364x268 (0.1 megapixel) photos were the comparison, so I sent them sample photo's from my Nokia N70, Blackberry 8900, HTC Desire and my 4Mp Canon G3 point and shoot. Reduced them in size to 364x268 and challenged them to tell the difference between any of them. They very quickly removed this challege from their website about 6 hours afterwards.
Don't get me wrong I am sure this camera is stunning, but it's no DLSR in terms of quality and neither is any point and shoot on the Market. Just the same as ANY cropped DLSR will compete with a full frame DSLR.
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I accidentally thanked you.oops. I don't know what DSLR is, but I'm quite sure that htcs new image sense will be quite beyond par for pretty everyone except your absolute perfect photographic self. Also, since you're such a good photog, such an unimpeachable artist,...please share where this work cod be viewed critically. I know artists would love to see it.
Thanks
From my Evo LTE, yup.
katamari201 said:
HTC marketing is getting ridiculously stupid, and HTC fanboys are following suit. The megapixel race is not a LIE. In bold, because HTc marketing material likes to make it bold. Megapixels is not the only factor in determining image quality, but it is an important one. But HTC wants you to believe it doesn't matter, AT ALL. So damn stupid. If it doesn't matter, then go reduce an image to a 32x32 icon. Beautiful isn't it! Looks exactly the same as the original! So stupid. HTC is just making a compromise between larger pixel sizes and resolution. The images will be worse in outdoor shots since it doesn't have as good a resolution, but indoor and low light shots will look better since it can gather more light. The question is, how much better? So far from what I can tell, the video and picture samples at the HTC event, which is indoors in low light, are not that impressive. It's definitely gonna be worse in bright outdoor use.
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Well, how many megapixels do you think you need?
To answer that question, think about what you're viewing the picture on. A PC monitor? What's the resolution of that? Unlikely to be much higher than 2560x1440; that's 3.6MP - any more than that and the extra detail is wasted.
Or maybe you're thinking of printing the photo? 300 dots per inch is plenty of resolution for a colour photo. So, to produce a 7" by 5" print, you only need about 3MP in the image. Even if you want to print out a picture filling an A4 page, you still only need around 8 or 9MP. Are you really going to be printing out your photos larger than an A4 page? And if you are, are you going to be viewing them from less than 12 inches away? (If the viewing distance is greater than that, you don't need 300dpi).
What's more, adding additional MP isn't free. The smaller the pixels get, the more the detector suffers from noise (and removing the noise from the image means you effectively lose the extra resolution), and the more the low-light performance suffers.
And finally, with the kind of aperture sizes and the quality of the lenses you're dealing with, you're unlikely to be able to resolve anywhere near 8MP worth of real detail anyway.
The camera on the HTC One isn't exactly revolutionary, but I think HTC should be congratulated for a move in the right direction: away from a design whose sole purpose is to include a big number for marketing purposes, and towards actually producing a better quality image.
i agree with shasarak, i used to work as photographer, and with our 5mp it was enough for pictured used in public advertising (5 meters * 3 meters)
Yeah pretty much what shasarak said. Thank god HTC had some bloody sense to not load it with more needless MPs as a marketing gimmick.
scottspa74 said:
I accidentally thanked you.oops. I don't know what DSLR is, but I'm quite sure that htcs new image sense will be quite beyond par for pretty everyone except your absolute perfect photographic self. Also, since you're such a good photog, such an unimpeachable artist,...please share where this work cod be viewed critically. I know artists would love to see it.
Thanks
From my Evo LTE, yup.
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DSLR stands for Digital Single Lens Reflex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_single-lens_reflex_camera, if you are up to it you can read the section 2.6 Larger sensor sizes and better image quality
I don't really understand what you are asking or in fact even trying to say, but if I have it right http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan-wilson/ Is my photography site, Thanks.
Nokia's pure view ends up producing a 5mp picture only thing is that it puts the quality of a 41mp(resolution) in to a smaller frame so when u zoom in u don't loose picture quality.....HTC one does sumthing similar but zooming in will reduce quality [email protected] the end pictures are clear enough to see every detail in the full frame no need to zoom in, its a good tech for those who understand....as for the iPhone's wonderful camera(like it or not) its just a perfect cocktail of very good lenses(which in a way let in lots of light, main reason y it looks bluish and not purplish) plus good apature and good sensors......megapixels =size , good lens+apature+sensore = great picture quality.
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Thx for explanation.
Finally someone with knowledge and sound reasoning. People really need to cool down while in discussion. At the end of the day, it will be just another phone and it will not wake up next day and go to work for you. :good:
Shasarak said:
Well, how many megapixels do you think you need?
To answer that question, think about what you're viewing the picture on. A PC monitor? What's the resolution of that? Unlikely to be much higher than 2560x1440; that's 3.6MP - any more than that and the extra detail is wasted.
Or maybe you're thinking of printing the photo? 300 dots per inch is plenty of resolution for a colour photo. So, to produce a 7" by 5" print, you only need about 3MP in the image. Even if you want to print out a picture filling an A4 page, you still only need around 8 or 9MP. Are you really going to be printing out your photos larger than an A4 page? And if you are, are you going to be viewing them from less than 12 inches away? (If the viewing distance is greater than that, you don't need 300dpi).
What's more, adding additional MP isn't free. The smaller the pixels get, the more the detector suffers from noise (and removing the noise from the image means you effectively lose the extra resolution), and the more the low-light performance suffers.
And finally, with the kind of aperture sizes and the quality of the lenses you're dealing with, you're unlikely to be able to resolve anywhere near 8MP worth of real detail anyway.
The camera on the HTC One isn't exactly revolutionary, but I think HTC should be congratulated for a move in the right direction: away from a design whose sole purpose is to include a big number for marketing purposes, and towards actually producing a better quality image.
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On the fence on this one...
Got a Note1 right now, obviously, no OIS, the flex doesn't have it either.
I use the camera app FV-5, and have EXCELLENT result. I use my device a TON for the
camera, to document problems with machines I work on, including some macro shots, indoor
lighting most of the time, so the camera quality is important to me.
Could someone post a few photos? Would be nice if someone was using the FV-5 app, in
macro mode so I could see how well it holds up.
TIA!
p51d007 said:
On the fence on this one...
Got a Note1 right now, obviously, no OIS, the flex doesn't have it either.
I use the camera app FV-5, and have EXCELLENT result. I use my device a TON for the
camera, to document problems with machines I work on, including some macro shots, indoor
lighting most of the time, so the camera quality is important to me.
Could someone post a few photos? Would be nice if someone was using the FV-5 app, in
macro mode so I could see how well it holds up.
TIA!
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I would suggest the Note 3 if you enjoy taking a lot of pictures!
p51d007 said:
On the fence on this one...
Got a Note1 right now, obviously, no OIS, the flex doesn't have it either.
I use the camera app FV-5, and have EXCELLENT result. I use my device a TON for the
camera, to document problems with machines I work on, including some macro shots, indoor
lighting most of the time, so the camera quality is important to me.
Could someone post a few photos? Would be nice if someone was using the FV-5 app, in
macro mode so I could see how well it holds up.
TIA!
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I just made a Flex camera thread. I take a lot of pictures as well. The camera seems pretty good. Probably not as good as the G2 though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50687586
THANKS!
I'll check it out
sweets55 said:
I just made a Flex camera thread. I take a lot of pictures as well. The camera seems pretty good. Probably not as good as the G2 though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50687586
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Everyone's opinions are different I realize, but my person opinion of the flex camera is that it is so incredibly bad that I almost returned the phone for that reason only. I love taking pictures, and assumed it would have a good camera because it is so similar to the G2. Upon getting it home, I took several pictures and took the same pictures next to my wife's new xperia Z1s. The Sony makes the LG look like a complete joke. The whites on my pictures are as blue as blue can be. Anything dark is blotchy as all hell. The pictures in general look grainy, especially on the G Flex screen, but even if I take them off of the phone they look bad. Out door pictures are better, but inside the flash only makes matters worse as far as the blues. Its just hands down the worst cell phone camera I have used in years. I tried a few different apps on the market in hopes that it would help, but I found most to be really slow, or not any better than the stock app. If you are a picture taker, personally, I'd recommend anything other than the G Flex. Aside from the screen and the camera, it is a good phone that could be made great with vanilla android if the community every figures out the bootloader... but if your interests are the camera... pass on this one. Its down right awful. If you're not concerned about the phone's size, check the xperia out. The camera on my wife's phone is phenomenal. In any situation it takes beautiful photos from the stock app with zero effort.
Check out these Flex pictures in the review. They look pretty good to me for a camera phone that is.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubergizmo/sets/72157640981795754/
LG G Flex Review
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2014/02/lg-g-flex-review/
therealciviczc said:
If you're not concerned about the phone's size, check the xperia out. The camera on my wife's phone is phenomenal. In any situation it takes beautiful photos from the stock app with zero effort.
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The problem I have with the Z Ultra, is no LED/flash. The low/poor lighting might be an issue, from some of the
sample photos I've seen. The Xperia Z1/ZU only are 5" screens.
My Note1 is a 5.3, looking to go to a 6" screen this round.
LG G Flex 30 Day Challenge, Day 10: The Camera
http://www.phonedog.com/2014/02/28/lg-g-flex-30-day-challenge-day-10-the-camera/
sweets55 said:
Check out these Flex pictures in the review. They look pretty good to me for a camera phone that is.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubergizmo/sets/72157640981795754/
LG G Flex Review
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2014/02/lg-g-flex-review/
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great... now I'm hungry for desserts and a burger....
I like the camer compared to the htc one... but i dont like how i get the blueish tint. And fixes for this or camera app that doesnt do that?
If you don't mind rooting and flashing, this is great news.
Jishnu Sur said
We will see what we can do once you get KK. Sharpness, colors everything.. Low fps fix and what not 
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Hello!
The LG G2 has an exceptional camera, we all know that. So to take even more advantage of this I've made a makro lens that you can 3D print yourself. I just wanted to share this with you guys, I hope you like it. More sample pictures and files can be found on thingiverse
Because of me being a new user I can't post the link to it, but go on Thingiverse and search for samsve (LG G2 Makro lens)
Best Regards
Sammy
Here is the link
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:343279/#files
I wish I had access to a 3D printer though
Thank you!
To be clear on one point, the case is 3D printed, but the lens is from a "copier laser assembly" but you can find these types of lenses in every laser printer!
Very useful
Great man I could use this for an image proyect right now, massive thanks
samsve said:
Thank you!
To be clear on one point, the case is 3D printed, but the lens is from a "copier laser assembly" but you can find these types of lenses in every laser printer!
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Thanks for the heads up.
Is this really a macro lens (bring far object look [email protected]) or is it micro lens (magnifier for close-up imaging)?
kopter3161 said:
Is this really a macro lens (bring far object look [email protected]) or is it micro lens (magnifier for close-up imaging)?
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i guess you've messed up the terms...
1st lens you are mentioning in your post is called "zoom" or "tele" lens
2nd one is called "macro" or "close up" lens (not micro)
Any tips where to get nice macro (or micro, whatever) lens? I was using some lens from cheaps ebay lasers along with my old compact camera, the zoom was really huge but on the other side the quality was really poor. I've also got there some camera lens from Smena 8M and Zorki 4 (Industar 50 lens) but since I don't want to destroy them, I can't really use them for macro (or micro, whatever) (even when reverse mounted, not that much zoom).
Zarrick19 said:
Any tips where to get nice macro (or micro, whatever) lens? I was using some lens from cheaps ebay lasers along with my old compact camera, the zoom was really huge but on the other side the quality was really poor. I've also got there some camera lens from Smena 8M and Zorki 4 (Industar 50 lens) but since I don't want to destroy them, I can't really use them for macro (or micro, whatever) (even when reverse mounted, not that much zoom).
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most of the macro add-on lenses (or any add-on lenses) you can find for mobile phones are basically the same, cheap ones - good for fun, but no good for anything serious...
only thing that comes in mind is that sony standalone lens that can be used on any mobile device
like this one
http://www.wired.com/2014/09/sony-ilce-qx1/
but for that price (or if you add some extra $), you can find a better compact camera (like one from the Sony NEX series or Olympus Pen series)
60nine said:
i guess you've messed up the terms...
1st lens you are mentioning in your post is called "zoom" or "tele" lens
2nd one is called "macro" or "close up" lens (not micro)
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Oh thanks for correcting me though. Btw, is this lens for zooming or macro? I really wanted, well at least 50x optical zooming capabilities for my project. Not really interested for close-up shot since i've made my own by just using cd-rom lens. Its not perfect but, well it does the job.
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Oh thanks for correcting me though. Btw, is this lens for zooming or macro? I really wanted, well at least 50x optical zooming capabilities for my project. Not really interested for close-up shot since i've made my own by just using cd-rom lens. Its not perfect but, well it does the job.
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lol... you will hardly find 50x optical zoom lenses even for dslr cameras
if you need that much optical zoom - you better forget about mobile device for doing that...
you'd be better with the FinePix SL1000, Sony HX400V, Olympus SP-100, Canon PowerShot SX50 HS or several other compact cameras which will give you 50x optical zoom and way better pictures than any mobile device for sure...
ps:
you can also search for a cheaper dlsr that you can attach to a telescope with a proper adapter... i believe there are some budget solutions for this combo
60nine said:
lol... you will hardly find 50x optical zoom lenses even for dslr cameras
if you need that much optical zoom - you better forget about mobile device for doing that...
you'd be better with the FinePix SL1000, Sony HX400V, Olympus SP-100, Canon PowerShot SX50 HS or several other compact cameras which will give you 50x optical zoom and way better pictures than any mobile device for sure...
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you can also search for a cheaper dlsr that you can attach to a telescope with a proper adapter... i believe there are some budget solutions for this combo
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Yeah i know it is ridiculous to even begin with. Lol. It is just i am very interested in this kind of thing. My brother just got me 200x telescopic lens for my d90 and i started to see a whole new things to fiddle with. It is amazing!
Beware ladies. Lol. Just joking. Dont ever do unethical things like peeping tom could. Even if it fun.
I wish i had a Makro lens for my G2. All the photos that was taken with makro lens, look so great
Hosre said:
I wish i had a Makro lens for my G2. All the photos that was taken with makro lens, look so great
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believe me - macro lens on phones are PITA to use... especially if you don't have a dedicated photo capture button on your device (and G2 doesn't have it - at least not on the bezel side instead of the buttons on behind of the case)
you can grab a macro lens from ebay for as much as 10$ or less...
downsides are:
- very hard to focus due to being unable to keep the device steady that close to the subject (and you have to be very, very close to the subject to get it in focus)
- on G2 - the macro lens always has a black circle vignette around the image (lens hardly covers the whole frame without the vignette "effect")
- not so sharp images as the real macro photos
- a bit clunky to use because it clips on the device (instead of screwing to the case like i.e. on iPhones)
good points:
- nice for fun (especially if you don't have a normal camera - dslr or compact)
- gives almost a natural bokeh to the macro image (which isn't possible with phone lenses)
my 2 cents
60nine said:
believe me - macro lens on phones are PITA to use... especially if you don't have a dedicated photo capture button on your device (and G2 doesn't have it - at least not on the bezel side instead of the buttons on behind
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This one problem could actually be resolved by using voice-activated command on G2 stock camera app. It is called cheese shutter and this function is pretty great though.
kopter3161 said:
This one problem could actually be resolved by using voice-activated command on G2 stock camera app. It is called cheese shutter and this function is pretty great though.
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yes, it might work - but as i've said, it's the "holding the device still" that's PITA the most
Some of those acceptable pics (many are really really close up, but you can't really tell what it is, so I won't even post them)
Human hair
Sponge
IEM earphone wires (different lens)
Salt (or sugar)
Sugar (or salt)
Surface of a HDD disc
Zarrick19 said:
Some of those acceptable pics (many are really really close up, but you can't really tell what it is, so I won't even post them)
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what lens and device did you use for this?
As I've said before, I'm using lens from the cheapest lasers on ebay.
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yes, it might work - but as i've said, it's the "holding the device still" that's PITA the most
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Yes without a tripod the image would susceptible to blurring. Unless it can take picture at 1/1000s at lowest ISO possible without darkening the picture, yes you wont get professional-quality close-up shot.
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Some of those acceptable pics (many are really really close up, but you can't really tell what it is, so I won't even post them)
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Those picture actually very nice. But the problem i spotted is there isnt enough lights. I used to take pictures like those but end up having to bring the camera too close to the object thus blocking lights to shine the object. That is the only problem for this method. At least for me, it is.
Ok, so I really want to love this phone but I can't figure out why the front camera wide angle photos look sharp (almost too sharp) and the normal 8 Mp photos from the front camera have no detail whatsoever. Look at the attached picture and compare the clarity of the nose, eyes, and eyebrows. The difference is huge. When taking portraits, you don't have an option to take wide angle photos, so portraits from the 8Mp camera don't look good. Normal camera should be the same as the one in G7, but it's not nearly as good.
No effects / skin smoothing etc is applied, so I'm thinking mine is defective. Can you guys take some side by side normal and wide angle photos with the front camera to compare?
Thanks.
Allen K
Your “standard” camera looks unfocused, which is why it is blurrier.
That said, after some testing I do think the “wide” selfie camera looks better in general. The main thing that bothers me is the two cameras have differing color profiles. I prefer the default color profile of the wide, so that looks better to be.
The same problem applies to the rear camera as well.
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It doesn't seem to focus. When I tap on the screen, all it does is change the exposure / brightness, but there is no change in focusing. It seems that both front cameras have a fixed focus because neither adjust to tapping, but wide angle has a good bit more detail.
I stopped by the store and took two pictures side by side - store unit was noticeably better, though as good as I would've liked. I'm getting another G7 for my wife and will have to compare them.
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Your “standard” camera looks unfocused, which is why it is blurrier.
That said, after some testing I do think the “wide” selfie camera looks better in general. The main thing that bothers me is the two cameras have differing color profiles. I prefer the default color profile of the wide, so that looks better to be.
The same problem applies to the rear camera as well.
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From what I can tell, and based on some reviews I've watched, front cameras have fixed focus... maybe, due to this, the main lens has a larger minimum distance that needs to be maintained for a clearer shot. It still seems a bit off.. but I've been able to get somewhat better shots out of it holding the camera a bit farther away. I'm getting a G7 for my wife, so I'll be able to do some comparisons.
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Your “standard” camera looks unfocused, which is why it is blurrier.
That said, after some testing I do think the “wide” selfie camera looks better in general. The main thing that bothers me is the two cameras have differing color profiles. I prefer the default color profile of the wide, so that looks better to be.
The same problem applies to the rear camera as well.
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From what I can tell, and based on some reviews I've watched, front cameras have fixed focus... maybe, due to this, the main lens has a larger minimum distance that needs to be maintained for a clearer shot. It still seems a bit off.. but I've been able to get somewhat better shots out of it holding the camera a bit farther away. I'm getting a G7 for my wife, so I'll be able to do some comparisons.
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Can you help me to check the camera sensor using 'device hw info' from playstore?
I can.. what would you like to know?
harysviewty said:
Can you help me to check the camera sensor using 'device hw info' from playstore?
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I can.. what would you like to know?
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v40/how-to/lg-v40-pentacamera-sensors-t3870789
I just wanna make sure that what I wrote here is correct. Some say that the front camera is sl846, not Sony imx219 sensor
I can post a screenshot, but everything is exactly the same as in the image you posted in the thread you linked. It doesn't say exactly which camera model it is.. only the specs..
I can say this - I just compared the front camera with a G7, and the G7 is a little brighter and clearer, at least in semi-low light situation. It's possible that the main camera on my V40 is defective, but not bad enough to worry about it right now.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v40/how-to/lg-v40-pentacamera-sensors-t3870789
I just wanna make sure that what I wrote here is correct. Some say that the front camera is sl846, not Sony imx219 sensor
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I can post a screenshot, but everything is exactly the same as in the image you posted in the thread you linked. It doesn't say exactly which camera model it is.. only the specs..
I can say this - I just compared the front camera with a G7, and the G7 is a little brighter and clearer, at least in semi-low light situation. It's possible that the main camera on my V40 is defective, but not bad enough to worry about it right now.
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Do you still have G7? Is it using 3 imx351 & 1 sl846?
Yes, I got the G7 yesterday. How can I tell the model number of the camera? I don't think the Device Info HW app tells me that. It only shows specs.
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Do you still have G7? Is it using 3 imx351 & 1 sl846?
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Found it. Attached photo is for the V40. G7 lists imx351 and sl846.
Interesting to note that the 16mp rear wide angle cameras have a different focal length between V40 and G7 - 2.18mm vs. 2.38mm. Both are f/1.9.
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Do you still have G7? Is it using 3 imx351 & 1 sl846?
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Found it. Attached photo is for the V40. G7 lists imx351 and sl846.
Interesting to note that the 16mp rear wide angle cameras have a different focal length between V40 and G7 - 2.18mm vs. 2.38mm. Both are f/1.9.
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Thank you so much for your help. ?
Do you find any difference in picture quality from both of these phones (the identical sensors)?
Wait... Different focal length?, I hope this isn't like LG G6 variants
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/how-to/lg-g6-wide-angle-camera-2-versions-one-t3712985/page1
Not sure about the focal length differences...but they're definitely not the same.
When taking a close-up selfie, the main camera on the G7 is much clearer than the V40's. But V40's wide angle is sharper than the main camera, and despite lower resolution, is much closer in clarity to the G7 only front camera. At a distance, the difference is a bit harder to notice.
That said, I did compare my phone to another V40 in the store, and the store demo was clearer, so I think mine might just be defective. I'm just not sure if it's worth trying to replace, since I would likely have to pay restocking and I don't want a refurbished unit from LG.
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Thank you so much for your help.
Do you find any difference in picture quality from both of these phones (the identical sensors)?
Wait... Different focal length?, I hope this isn't like LG G6 variants
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/how-to/lg-g6-wide-angle-camera-2-versions-one-t3712985/page1
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Can someone comment on camera performance, specifically indoor shots with pets. How well does it pick up fur? I've just got the S21 and I'm sending it back because the camera software is pretty bad. Wondering if it's the same story with the Ultra or not?
I think it works really with, here`s my cat
It depends if they are moving or not plus what settings you have on. I'm happy coming from a S20+.
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I think it works really with, here`s my cat
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Thanks! This is the perfect example as to what I was looking for, even down to the colour of the cat! Unfortunately it confirms to me that while it is much better than the regular S21, its just not up to scratch.
Here's my cat (Pixel 4 vs S21). The Pixel does a much better job of not blurring the fur and retains a lot of the detail and more colour accuracy.
The main camera seems to be really good and sharp and has motion tracking to maintain focus on moving subjects. I dont have pets but don't think you should have a problem. However, I find the quality from the 10X zoom camera to be really bad. I dont know if it is just my unit or if others are experiencing these issues as well. The images are soft, lack detail and are over processed. See examples below. Not sure if this is due to low light or some other reason as its been quite cloudy in the UK these past few days. Let me know what you guys think. Can my unit be defective? Look at the processing on the robins tail in the 1st image its so grainy. Also the 3rd image lacks detail looks like the bird has been painted.
yeah I know my pics are lot better coming from the S20 ultra, with close up shots lol
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The main camera seems to be really good and sharp and has motion tracking to maintain focus on moving subjects. I dont have pets but don't think you should have a problem. However, I find the quality from the 10X zoom camera to be really bad. I dont know if it is just my unit or if others are experiencing these issues as well. The images are soft, lack detail and are over processed. See examples below. Not sure if this is due to low light or some other reason as its been quite cloudy in the UK these past few days. Let me know what you guys think. Can my unit be defective? Look at the processing on the robins tail in the 1st image its so grainy. Also the 3rd image lacks detail looks like the bird has been painted.
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yeah here is my moon pic at 30x zoomed that wasn't even on a tripod that was a steady hand, I know the pic looks way better on my phone then regular crappy computer screen. lol
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yeah here is my moon pic at 30x zoomed that wasn't even on a tripod that was a steady hand, I know the pic looks way better on my phone then regular crappy computer screen. lol
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Wow! that looks really good. Was that on your S20 Ultra? Or the s21 ultra.
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Wow! that looks really good. Was that on your S20 Ultra? Or the s21 ultra.
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on my s21 ultra, the s20 ultra I had the you could never get a nice image out of the zoom
I should get a new unit while I can then. I probably have a defective unit as my pictures from the 10x zoom camera are horrible.
Camera is no where near as good as touted. Which is a familiar story. Anything other than bright light the zooms are essentially pointless. Night mode helps, but unless your taking a pic of a still scene or a sleeping pet then it's going to look bad.
Funny thing is, you snap a pic and click the photo preview and it's snapped the shot instantly and is in focus, but then it's almost like the processor catches up and gives you the blurry pic. I don't get it.
3x zoom pic in good light attached. View attachment 5206487
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Camera is no where near as good as touted. Which is a familiar story. Anything other than bright light the zooms are essentially pointless. Night mode helps, but unless your taking a pic of a still scene or a sleeping pet then it's going to look bad.
Funny thing is, you snap a pic and click the photo preview and it's snapped the shot instantly and is in focus, but then it's almost like the processor catches up and gives you the blurry pic. I don't get it.
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This is what I feared and it's exactly the same as the regular S21. The hardware is capable enough, just the Samsung processing can be awful. You can see the difference when switching between gcam and the Samsung camera app. How have they managed to do such a bad job?
It's a shame because other than the camera I love everything else about the phone.
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This is what I feared and it's exactly the same as the regular S21. The hardware is capable enough, just the Samsung processing can be awful. You can see the difference when switching between gcam and the Samsung camera app. How have they managed to do such a bad job?
It's a shame because other than the camera I love everything else about the phone.
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Yeah. I have a 12 Pro currently and bought this thinking I could have similar still performance with the added benefits of the great zoom. But my P30 Pro from two years ago took better photos than this IMO.
Samsung do not know what to do with post processing. It's painful. And I'm sick of reviewers saying contrary. Every year it's the same thing. Cameras are bigged up, Samsung "finally get it right" and then normal users get them in hand and it's the same story.
I'll be returning to my 12 Pro.
Pets yes and no. I've only had the phone since Friday, so I have a lot more time shooting on my Pixel 4, but so far, I think the P4 was better for pets. Especially for those quick shots. Now I may get used to the ultra and learn to shoot with it better, because it does take some amazing shots, but for now, I'd give the Pixel the slight edge. It gave me more confidence anyways that I would get a good shot
So are the noisy over sharpened pics from the 10X zoom camera normal then? I am thinking of sending mine back. I got the phone only for the camera.
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yeah here is my moon pic at 30x zoomed that wasn't even on a tripod that was a steady hand, I know the pic looks way better on my phone then regular crappy computer screen. lol
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What camera settings are you using to achieve it. I've tried several times to take a moon shot and mine come out horrible... Maybe it's the bright lights of the city, don't really know.
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What camera settings are you using to achieve it. I've tried several times to take a moon shot and mine come out horrible... Maybe it's the bright lights of the city, don't really know.
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It was default mode and I just open the camera app and zoomed it to 30x and made sure I was very steady then took the pic, I didn`t mess with any settings and it could be the the city lights I was out were there is little light pollution.
Does anyone have any S21U portrait photos they can share with a comparison to either Pixel or iPhone 11/12 Pro Max?
I will be coming from a Pixel 5 and really hoping pet and portrait photos are of comparable quality.
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Does anyone have any S21U portrait photos they can share with a comparison to either Pixel or iPhone 11/12 Pro Max?
I will be coming from a Pixel 5 and really hoping pet and portrait photos are of comparable quality.
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Judging from what I've seen and the replies in here, pet pictures definitely won't be comparable. The processing is too soft and just makes the fur look too blurry.