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Its an accessories related question and i hope its ok to ask here. I just received my Nexus 7 32GB and loving it! As what i would do usually, I immediately started looking for back cases / covers / pouches for this lovely device and then I tought, does it really need one? The material at the back doesnt look like the one that could easily be scratched. But then I see so many cases around and people using them. Maybe to better protect the device when/if it falls? I dont like folio cases anyway and only buying a back case looks like a waste.
Any suggestions?
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It can get scratched. I have mine in a case almost all the time and I found a scratch on mine somehow
While it's not essential, I'd still go with a case, because you just never know what may befall your new shiny tablet. Since a lot of cases on the market appear to be cheap and ugly, buy something that is well built and from quality materials. This may set you back $50 or more, but trust me, it's well worth it. The tablet will just feel better in your hand, more secure, and you won't have to worry about the screen being scratched or it getting dinged on the side.
Ever since I got my Norever leather case I like the way my N7 feels way more than it does without it.
If you're only interested in a "back case" then I would consider the Incipio Feather. Here's my review. The Feather did come with a screen protector, but I'm with the others in this thread and I would just go with a full case to protect the whole thing.
FULL DISCLOSURE: The Feather was provided to me by Incipio for the purpose of review. I do not receive any compensation for my reviews.
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I would have to agree that i enjoy having my nexus out of a case . I like the feel of the back and for me it would not get scratched as im careful.. But I use it while im out and about all the time.. I have almost dropped it a few times.I think if you drop this device and it hits the edge of bezel The screen will crack.So i recommend having a nice case . For me i have the bobjgear silicone case . It does add bulk and the nice look of the device . But it provices alot of protection.
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I am thinking of a simple plain matte black slim tpu case. Let's see if I can find one.
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Well, having dropped my N7 twice, I can attest to getting a case for the Nexus lol. Both drops were from at least 3 feet and the first one went down rolling to the sidewalk from my truck in my Treegloo case. The N7 came unscathed but the Treegloo had an indentation that could barely notice. The second fall was in the garage cement floor. This time the fall was straight down back side down and went SPLAT. I freaked!:silly: and immediately took it out and found it turned on fine and the glass was uncracked. So I went inside and put the N7 down but noticed the cover didn't sit flush like it normally did, so I took the N7 out of the case and saw the backing corners were coming undone and I had to press down to re-snap them back into the corners again.
Now the treelgoo has been semi-retired now that I have the Seidio Active case on. It works because I now also use the Kropsson Aero modded universal car mount and using the treegloo wouldn't work in that case.
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as in the title yes, I have had a couple of small falls and one or two larger ones, and having the stock official ASUS ones may have saved it a lot of times, so getting any that will have some bump protection is a definite go ahead
call it insurance
I like the naked feel of the N7 in my hand. It's just right. The options available are all over the map. Those folding contraptions remind me of the old paper maps that I could never get right. The armored ones look like two handers and you are going to drop test it because it's a job just to handle all that bulk. I'm going with a leather YooMee pouch [correction: they call it a sleeve] for transport purposes and working the N7 raw.
Noticed Otterbox just announced the Defender series for the N7.
I like Otterbox but $70 is too expensive for a plastic case. Hell, you get a hand made leather Noreve case for $72.
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I like the naked feel of the N7 in my hand. It's just right. The options available are all over the map. Those folding contraptions remind me of the old paper maps that I could never get right. The armored ones look like two handers and you are going to drop test it because it's a job just to handle all that bulk. I'm going with a leather YooMee pouch for transport purposes and working the N7 raw.
Noticed Otterbox just announced the Defender series for the N7.
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I think this would be good. I am not too worried about dropping it but more want to protect it from scratches. A nice leather pouch is what I need. Thanks! Off to eBay
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I only use a case outside of my house, otherwise for reading and such I go caseless. I have carpet everywhere and even with a couple drops it's not damaged. It's pretty solid.
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I like Otterbox but $70 is too expensive for a plastic case. Hell, you get a hand made leather Noreve case for $72.
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You're right about that. I figure once things settle down they'll run in the $50 neighborhood. Still, as much as I love Otterbox, I'm afraid it will add too much bulk and that's entirely too much for a stand.
I've had all sorts of adventures with my nexus 7, and to be honest back plate is as good as new, the silver border however is a different story.
I went with a Cruzerlite TPU case $19 doesn't add any bulk really comes in all colors with cool design on the back (they are the androids)
I was holding back buying the Asus travel cover as months ago there were leaks showing a premium cover from Asus. But after that there wasn't any mention of that cover anymore...will we ever see that emerge or is it dead?
The funny thing is that there are already Chinese copies to be found on eBay which have exactly the same design, but I'm not going to buy a cheap case anymore, after I bought the smart case ultra slim cover which just started to fall apart today. Literally. And it never fell on the ground.
All other leather cases are too fat, and ugly. So does anybody know if the premium cover will be released soon? Otherwise I'm going to get an Asus travel cover.
BTW: what is the slimmest available nexus cover? Besides the smart cover that is. I'm not going to buy that again.
I would look into the Speck FitFolio case. I have always been impressed with Specks quality and the customer service.
Personal experience with the FitFolio: great fit with all the features you would want and none of the bulk.
http://www.speckproducts.com/fitfolio-for-google-nexus-7.html
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Thanks for the link, the case really looks pretty nice. But as I want minimal weight I went for the Asus travel case. I want the slimmest design and it doesn't have to provide the biggest safety as I won't be taking it much outside anyway. I only want it to keep it safe from scratches.
But is really a shame that the premium cover never happened.
I also really wonder why no third party just took the travel case concept and put a magnet in. This would be the perfect case for me. Slimmest fit and magnet, but no additional bulk at all.
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I was holding back buying the Asus travel cover as months ago there were leaks showing a premium cover from Asus. But after that there wasn't any mention of that cover anymore...will we ever see that emerge or is it dead?
The funny thing is that there are already Chinese copies to be found on eBay which have exactly the same design, but I'm not going to buy a cheap case anymore, after I bought the smart case ultra slim cover which just started to fall apart today. Literally. And it never fell on the ground.
All other leather cases are too fat, and ugly. So does anybody know if the premium cover will be released soon? Otherwise I'm going to get an Asus travel cover.
BTW: what is the slimmest available nexus cover? Besides the smart cover that is. I'm not going to buy that again.
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread but would you link to one of these Chinese knock off cases as it seems the official thing will never arrive. All I can find is news over the product not any where to buy it
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I also really wonder why no third party just took the travel case concept and put a magnet in. This would be the perfect case for me. Slimmest fit and magnet, but no additional bulk at all.
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Like this? - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Purple-Ul..._MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item4d08a7e3fe
That's the 'Ebay case' with a magnet that everyone on here raves about, it only lasted me a few months before the plastic started to crack, I wouldn't suggest getting the above unless you fancy getting 3-4 and swapping them when they break
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Like this? - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Purple-Ul..._MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item4d08a7e3fe
That's the 'Ebay case' with a magnet that everyone on here raves about, it only lasted me a few months before the plastic started to crack, I wouldn't suggest getting the above unless you fancy getting 3-4 and swapping them when they break
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I see, I have one similar to that already, when someone said about copying the design and it being Chinese I figured it would have the nexus logo on the back. I love the functionality of my case which stands in landscape mode up right or flat I was just hoping for some thing that fits more snug around the edges with the nexus in side it, there's a few mm spare room.
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What about this case: "http://www.amazon.com/caseen-Multi-Angle-Google-Tablet/dp/B00AFEGDNE/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1358339055&sr=1-4&keywords=caseen+soft+nexus+7" ?
I bought this one in the end http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B008GSMRAY/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1358339275&sr=8-1&pi=SL75
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I think an excellent option is this combo:
Genuine leather case http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008A1XN28/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
With a TPU case stuck inside instead of sticking the Nexus directly to the case http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008LJKPHK/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i01
Any TPU case will do I just put that link in to have both items links to products at Amazon.
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Not sure if this is correct as GameStop.com is listing the premium covers on their site for release on the 3rd September. Quite a while away. I'll just be getting a cheap case in the meantime.
Presenting to you: Trident's Aegis Case for the Google Nexus 7
Let's Review...
Trident offers tough cases that are proudly made in the USA. I've had several Trident cases in the past (HTC EVO 4G, HTC Flyer, Samsung Galaxy Nexus and now the Nexus 7) I would describe Trident as an Otterbox alternative with a pop of color.
What's In The Box?
Silicone cover
Polycarbonate shell
Screen protector (glossy finish)
Cleaning cloth and applicator card
Aesthetics
I'm a fan of bright colors that stand out, so I like that Trident has chosen to provide color options for their Aegis case. The case comes in Green, Red, Pink, Blue or Black. I opted for the "Trident Green" and am impressed with how bright the case is. The case is just as vibrant as it looked on Trident's website. Trident went with more simplified branding on this case with having only the Trident shield logo in the center of the case and only having the actual "Trident" words logo on the inside of the silicone case. The polycarbonate shell is mostly textured with a few smooth areas.
Protection
This case offers what I'd consider mid-level protection. It has a thick silicone cover to protect from drops along with port covers for the microUSB port and headphone jack. The silicone is very grippy and makes it much less likely for the tablet to slip from your hands. The Polycarbonate shell adds a bit more protection and helps make the case feel much more solid. The only protection you get for the screen is the included screen protector. I'm not a big fan of the glossy screen protector, so I kept my matte one on.
Price
The Trident Aegis case runs $44.95 (+ free shipping on U.S. orders) on Trident's website (www.TridentCase.com) which I feel is a bit steep.
Final Thoughts:
I've only had this case for a day so far, but I don't see myself taking this off anytime soon. My "official" N7 folio case seemed to make my N7 slip from my hands way too easily and the flap would get in the way. I feel much more confident in letting my kids (3 &4) play on my tablet now without the need to hover over them. If you're looking for a case that stands out and offers a bit more grip and protection, I'd definitely recommend you try this case out.
Note: The pics attached were taken from my GNex with flash, so they're a bit washed out.
See a great video review by the guys at DayDeal (no affiliation) on YouTube here
This is awesome news!! I have an aegis on my razr with 4different color skins and it is my favorite case I have ever had. I also had a cyclops on my x.
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the moment its released ill be buying !
I have the aegis for my g2x and it's cracked. Emailed trident and didn't receive a response.
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That's weird. I've never had any issues with their customer service. I had the Cyclops case for my old Evo 4g and had an issue with the proximity sensor (it was a yellow case) and they replaced it quickly. I also had a problem with a screen protector not fitting right and they sent me a new one quickly too.
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just updated OP. Aegis in now available!
alxrock said:
just updated OP. Aegis in now available!
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I ordered 3 (red, black, blue) Friday night. They shipped today, will arrive this Thursday. I can't wait to get them!
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I ordered 3 (red, black, blue) Friday night. They shipped today, will arrive this Thursday. I can't wait to get them!
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Haha I just ordered the green one last night. I can't wait either!
Edit: Just got mine today! (Dec 20) I'm gonna throw this thing on and update with a review later.
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I ordered 3 (red, black, blue) Friday night. They shipped today, will arrive this Thursday. I can't wait to get them!
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Well I got the cases today. I really like them. I put the red and blue on my kid's tablets. Not even a few hours after I put them on, my daughter (she's 3 1/2), was chewing on the silicon part of the case and cracked the screen. It's sadly funny. They've had their tablets for about 2-3 months and have done great with them. They had Samsung Captivates before they had these. I totally didn't think about the "candy" color and the "gummy" part of the case. And did I have the accident protection for her tablet? No, of course not, DOH! After I get her tablet fixed or repaired, sadly, even though I love the Trident case, I'll be getting a full Otterbox for hers. Nothing chewy on that, lol.
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Well I got the cases today. I really like them. I put the red and blue on my kid's tablets. Not even a few hours after I put them on, my daughter (she's 3 1/2), was chewing on the silicon part of the case and cracked the screen. It's sadly funny. They've had their tablets for about 2-3 months and have done great with them. They had Samsung Captivates before they had these. I totally didn't think about the "candy" color and the "gummy" part of the case. And did I have the accident protection for her tablet? No, of course not, DOH! After I get her tablet fixed or repaired, sadly, even though I love the Trident case, I'll be getting a full Otterbox for hers. Nothing chewy on that, lol.
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Wow! That sucks. Otterbox might be a good way to go for the little one. I let the kids take over my original iPad when I got the N7, lol. Hope you don't have much trouble getting it repaired.
I'm so pumped!! I just used the promo code and got me a baby blue case. I was going to get pink, but hopefully they will sell just the soft parts of the case separate later on and I'll get it then.
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So today I noticed that my green silicone case is starting to stain in all the exposed areas. I've contacted Trident customer service to return it. Has anyone else had issues with other colors staining so easily? I haven't had this problem with my green aegis case for my gnex. I'm really disappointed.
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Can anyone tell me how thick this case is and how much it weighs? I was thinking about getting this case but am concerned about the size because I keep it in my pocket during the day. Thanks!
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Can anyone tell me how thick this case is and how much it weighs? I was thinking about getting this case but am concerned about the size because I keep it in my pocket during the day. Thanks!
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What Pickett???
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Uh60m Pilot said:
Can anyone tell me how thick this case is and how much it weighs? I was thinking about getting this case but am concerned about the size because I keep it in my pocket during the day. Thanks!
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From their site:
Length:8.00 in
Width:5.00 in
Height:0.63 in
Weight:0.32 lb
I'd say its too thick to be pocketed from my hands on experience. Also, the silicone is very grippy, so it would probably be hard to put in or take out of your pocket (it was difficult in a pair of fubu sweatpants). I'm gonna switch to Cruzerlite's Androidified A2 case. Not as much protection, but it better suits my needs.
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What Pickett???
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In assume you meant pocket. I keep it in my leg pocket on my flight suit. It is much larger then a normal pocket on your jeans. However that would be funny to watch someone try to cram in in a pair of jeans. I guess it would not be much worse than a galaxy note II
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Got mine today. I ordered from Day deal $36 delivered
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Finally got mine in the mail today in blue. It's awesome!! I screwed up putting the screen protector in though and got a bunch of lint under it so ended up having too throw it away. I don't need a screen protector anyways. Case looks and fits awesome.
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So Seidio said they have come to a decision on the Nexus 10. They will not be making a case for it. :crying:
What now? Gumdrop haven't brought one out. I don't know if they are considering it. Otterbox don't have one either (I hate them anyway). And the poetic revolution looks cheap & nasty. The BobJ one isn't from a tried & tested company so makes me nervous. What are other rugged case fans doing with their tablets?
I'm at a loss too and frankly it kinda pisses me off. My wife is pissed I sold her ipad 1 because it was slow and the browser crashed all the time, just to get a nexus that is buggy as **** and crashes all the time, like frequent full on crashes. To top it off, there's no such thing as a decent case for it and probably won't be for a long time. I had a sweet otterbox for the ipad, why the **** does the world have to revolve around damn apple products. Why are there 500 awesome cases in 500 colors available 5 months before a new ipad is even announced.
And why the **** does Google have such a buggy ass flagship device.
Fix this buggy PoS and give me a damn rugged case already. A quality one. Not another one of these damn flippy magnet cheap flimsy cases that are all copies of each other.
/rant
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My nexus 10 owns... No crashes at all! It sucks to be you!
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orellius said:
I'm at a loss too and frankly it kinda pisses me off. My wife is pissed I sold her ipad 1 because it was slow and the browser crashed all the time, just to get a nexus that is buggy as **** and crashes all the time, like frequent full on crashes. To top it off, there's no such thing as a decent case for it and probably won't be for a long time. I had a sweet otterbox for the ipad, why the **** does the world have to revolve around damn apple products. Why are there 500 awesome cases in 500 colors available 5 months before a new ipad is even announced.
And why the **** does Google have such a buggy ass flagship device.
Fix this buggy PoS and give me a damn rugged case already. A quality one. Not another one of these damn flippy magnet cheap flimsy cases that are all copies of each other.
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What kind of bugs? I just ordered mine two days ago. I'm kind of curious since I can still cancel and wait for the second gen.
No crashes here either. Probably some buggy app causing it or something.
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After running CM10.1 latest build. My crash all gone. Happily using it now.
Where is the love?
I'm kinda Pi&&ed too!! I figured that Google would have accessories available for their Flagship device. We get NO LOVE from the manufacturers like the freaking iPad does!!! Only cheap crappy covers for a device that is suppose to be cutting edge. I just bought a Noreve cover and it's nice, but it's the only cover I have found that is nice, there are no other choices that are as high a quality. I will certainly think twice before purchasing my next device from Google, not to mention the other "glitches"...
Not meaning to be bossy but is there any possibility we could just get back to discussing rugged case alternatives for the Nexus 10.
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Not meaning to be bossy but is there any possibility we could just get back to discussing rugged case alternatives for the Nexus 10.
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I agree hissy fits won't get us anywhere haha. It is true about the lack of quality cases for our Nexus 10 right now. I haven't seen a good name brand one yet. Hoping for a good flip cover that just covers the screen not the back.
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So Seidio said they have come to a decision on the Nexus 10. They will not be making a case for it. :crying:
What now? Gumdrop haven't brought one out. I don't know if they are considering it. Otterbox don't have one either (I hate them anyway). And the poetic revolution looks cheap & nasty. The BobJ one isn't from a tried & tested company so makes me nervous. What are other rugged case fans doing with their tablets?
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Have you looked at the Poetic Revolution case?
http://www.amazon.com/Poetic-REVOLUTION-Google-Android-Tablet/dp/B00ACBO7RE
... beamed from my Nexus 10 to your planet
He said it was cheap & nasty.
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He said it was cheap & nasty.
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Sorry - missed that. A shame that one isn't coming out from Otterbox or Seido. I've got the extended convert combo on my GNex now -- fantastic -- and I could easily see me using something like that on my N10. Still haven't settled on a case myself yet. Still using a neoprene slip case I picked up on day one from Five Below (as you can imagine, it cost me $5). Protects the N10 fairly well when I'm carrying it or not using it, but it's clearly a temporary measure. Really not excited by any of the case options out there -- only one that looks appealing to me is the Noreve Tradition, but I'm not about to spend $110 on a tablet case. Ah well...the search continues.
After the terrible quality of the Poetic Slimcase I will not get another poetic case. Very rarely have I seen a case that does damage to the device its trying to protect.
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After the terrible quality of the Poetic Slimcase I will not get another poetic case. Very rarely have I seen a case that does damage to the device its trying to protect.
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That's a shame -- I like the overall design of the case, but hesitate to order it based on those reports and the comments that it's SO tight. Disappointing too, in that my son has the same model case on his Nexus 7, and it's excellent: perfect fit - not too tight or loose, no damage to the tablet, very convenient, nicely finished. My son tends to be pretty hard on his belongings (6'4" teenager), uses the tablet several times a day, and the case is holding up beautifully so far. If I thought the experience would be the same for the Nexus 10, I'd order one now.
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That's a shame -- I like the overall design of the case, but hesitate to order it based on those reports and the comments that it' SO tight. Disappointing too, in that my son has the same model case on his Nexus 7, and it's excellent: perfect fit - not too tight or loose, no damage to the tablet, very convenient, nicely finished. My son tends to be pretty hard on his belongings (6'4" teenager), uses the tablet several times a day, and the case is holding up beautifully so far. If I thought the experience would be the same for the Nexus 10, I'd order one now.
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It really is. I freaked out when I saw the display sticking up in the right corner and had memories of the nexus 7 screen lift issue. Took it off and pressed the screen back in. I'm using the origami roocase now which is much better.
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It really is. I freaked out when I saw the display sticking up in the right corner and had memories of the nexus 7 screen lift issue. Took it off and pressed the screen back in. I'm using the origami roocase now which is much better.
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I wish stores like Staples and Walmart would stock some of these cases so we could actually see them close up and try them - and return them immediately if necessary without having to ship back and forth. It was great to get my N10 locally from Walmart, and I'd love to be able to do that with accessories too.
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So Seidio said they have come to a decision on the Nexus 10. They will not be making a case for it. :crying:
What now? Gumdrop haven't brought one out. I don't know if they are considering it. Otterbox don't have one either (I hate them anyway). And the poetic revolution looks cheap & nasty. The BobJ one isn't from a tried & tested company so makes me nervous. What are other rugged case fans doing with their tablets?
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The Poetic Revolution case may LOOK cheap and nasty, but it is certainly not. I own it, and have used it every single day for three months. I'm also Active Duty, so trust me when I tell you it gets plenty of use...far beyond what it was originally designed to handle, I'm sure. Now, Its no Seidio Active case but it sure aint bad for $20. The ONLY bad things I can say about it is that it comes with a built-in heavy duty screen protector that is just garbage, and it bulks up the tablet a bit (which i actually like) Thankfully however, the cheesy screen protector punches out very easily. Get an ArmorSuit Military Shield screen protector to go with it and be done with it.
Bright side is you're only out $30 or so until somebody makes a better case. How much to replace that big 10.1 inch screen if you drop it without the $30 case?
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I've had my nexus 7 for around 3-4 months, never really used it much but now I'm getting hooked to it. Ive got a standard folio type case for it but dont really like it as the flap constantly gets in the way.
Has anyone seen a snap on type of case that is leather. An example of what I mean is something like whats attached but for nexus 7 of course. I cant seem to find one but maybe on of you guys could help me? Thanks
All my phones and tablet/phablet have these leather case :
http://www.noreve.com/
http://www.noreve.com/langue/en/product/Asus_Google_Nexus_7_Tradition_leather_case.html
They have magnet to switch off screen
Very good quality...
Here a video and presentation
http://thetechlist.co/reviews/nexus-7/noreve-leather-nexus-7-case/
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Noreve is indeed the best. I have Noreve cases for all my devices and would never look back.
Yes but I didn't want a case with a flap as I've already got one, I just wanted a case that would snap on the back but was leather
To be honest....the back of the n7 already has that leathery/rubbery premium feel about it. That's why I haven't seen one around yet cuz it's kinda pointless to protect the back of the n7.
I reckon ebay/amazon but i'm sure you would've checked there anyways
I got a plastic back only snap on case for my HTC Evo View 4G and when I moved to the Nexus 7 I got one for it. I agree with the OP and like the extra protection without the bother and bulk of a more traditional case. I.I too would prefer leather or even naugahide but unfortunately I could only find textured plastic ones. They aren't shiny nor plastic-y with the sand like finish. Bought on eBay. If you want but can't find it I can try to get a valid url.
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I still these things at a pretty high volume, for retail, but I can't get a single custom case for it. I carry it in a small, but oversized, Case Mate, Netbook case. Of course, Amazon has a ton of cheap cases- but, cases are one of those items I try before I buy.
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Did you take a look at the poetic slimline? here