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[Q] How will I know if I am Buying NA or International Version

As shown below copied from the nexus 6 page, it seems as though there are 2 version of the phone. I am currently stuck with Verizon as my carrier. If I am buying looking to buy it unlocked off contract, how will I know which version I am buying/preordering (obviously I need North American but how can I confirm thats what I'm getting)? I always buy off contract phones but when buying a nexus in the past T-Mobile was my carrier so I could guarantee International phones would work for the most part without question.
That being said, am I still choosing Verizon and will they allow me to buy off contract and guarantee compatibility? Or am I choosing Google Play and if so am I definitely receiving a North American version of the phone? or Would I be offered 2 choices through Google Play?
Anyone have any idea how this works or would work?
Network
North America:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
CDMA Band Class: 0/1/10
WCDMA Bands: 1/2/4/5/8
LTE Bands: 2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/25/26/29/41
CA DL Bands: B2-B13, B2-B17, B2-29, B4-B5, B4-B13, B4-B17, B4-B29
Rest of World:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
CDMA: not supported
WCDMA Bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/9/19
LTE Bands: 1/3/5/7/8/9/19/20/28/41
CA DL: B3-B5, B3-B8
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The same way you bought the NA and Intl versions of the N5, just make sure you are at the appropriate site. Google tracks your IP to determine it automatically, but just in case make sure the URL does not have '/intl/' somewhere. That means you're at the international site.

ryude said:
The same way you bought the NA and Intl versions of the N5, just make sure you are at the appropriate site. Google tracks your IP to determine it automatically, but just in case make sure the URL says '/intl/' somewhere. That means you're at the international site.
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So if I choose Google Play for my store then I should still have a Verizon-compatible Nexus 6 then if I understand you correctly. (provided intl does not appear in the URL)

Kkooly said:
So if I choose Google Play for my store then I should still have a Verizon-compatible Nexus 6 then if I understand you correctly. (provided intl does not appear in the URL)
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Yeah, the NA version works with every carrier in the USA. You won't have any problems unless Verizon doesn't add the device's IMEI to the list of devices they allow.

ryude said:
Yeah, the NA version works with every carrier in the USA. You won't have any problems unless Verizon doesn't add the device's IMEI to the list of devices they allow.
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understood. I just never noticed multiple versions in the past.

Kkooly said:
understood. I just never noticed multiple versions in the past.
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I know the Nexus One, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, and Nexus 5 all had multiple variant models. I am sure the Nexus S was the same, but I am not 100%.

Is it possible to edit the bands for carrier aggregation?

I understand that for XT1103, the CA bands are 2+13, 2+17, 4+5, 4+13, and 4+17; for XT1100 3+5 and 3+8.
However, my country telcos only support 3+7. Is it possible to edit the CA bands for 3+7? Or is this a hardware thing? I'm using XT1100

tatsit said:
I understand that for XT1103, the CA bands are 2+13, 2+17, 4+5, 4+13, and 4+17; for XT1100 3+5 and 3+8.
However, my country telcos only support 3+7. Is it possible to edit the CA bands for 3+7? Or is this a hardware thing? I'm using XT1100
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Bands are completely hardware thing You can't change them

I see, thanks
What a waste for me, able to use LTE but not LTE-A

SAW_JOK3R said:
Bands are completely hardware thing You can't change them
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That is not entirely true. You can enable some bands.
tatsit said:
I understand that for XT1103, the CA bands are 2+13, 2+17, 4+5, 4+13, and 4+17; for XT1100 3+5 and 3+8.
However, my country telcos only support 3+7. Is it possible to edit the CA bands for 3+7? Or is this a hardware thing? I'm using XT1100
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Maybe ask the OP of this thread. He figured out how to add LTE band 1 to the Nexus 6.

efrant said:
That is not entirely true. You can enable some bands.
Maybe ask the OP of this thread. He figured out how to add LTE band 1 to the Nexus 6.
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I know that they can be managed to put but I highly doubt if that'll be effective or not

SAW_JOK3R said:
I know that they can be managed to put but I highly doubt if that'll be effective or not
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It certainly worked fine on the Nexus 5 (enabling band 3 and 8 on the North American version). And although I haven't read much on enabling bands on the Nexus 6, I don't image it'll be any less effective.

efrant said:
It certainly worked fine on the Nexus 5 (enabling band 3 and 8 on the North American version). And although I haven't read much on enabling bands on the Nexus 6, I don't image it'll be any less effective.
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Okay Thanks for the info btw

Nexus 5 still had some hardware restrictions for some bands. Some were possible to enable, some were not. Will require more investigation on the 805

rootSU said:
Nexus 5 still had some hardware restrictions for some bands. Some were possible to enable, some were not. Will require more investigation on the 805
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For sure. But band 1 has already been enabled on the North American version, and @Azlun seems to be working on band 8. He hasn't mentioned anything about band 7 in his thread, and I have no idea about the carrier aggregation stuff.

efrant said:
That is not entirely true. You can enable some bands.
Maybe ask the OP of this thread. He figured out how to add LTE band 1 to the Nexus 6.
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Thanks, I've dropped a reply in his thread, seems like I'm not the only one asking

Will the A3010 work well in Europe?

I'm about to buy a OnePlus 3T.
I live in Sweden and travel in Europe from time to time.
Will the A3010 work well for me (even with 4G)?
I have already looked at willmyphonework.net/ but it only says:
"Device is compatible with some of the network carriers frequencies. It may work."
What practical advantages would I notice with a A3003(European version) vs the A3010(China version)?

white-k said:
I'm about to buy a OnePlus 3T.
I live in Sweden and travel in Europe from time to time.
Will the A3010 work well for me (even with 4G)?
I have already looked at willmyphonework.net/ but it only says:
"Device is compatible with some of the network carriers frequencies. It may work."
What practical advantages would I notice with a A3003(European version) vs the A3010(China version)?
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The main difference between OnePlus 3T A3003 and A3010 is the A3003 supports LTE band 1/3/5/7/8/20/38/40, which is the international model while A3010 supports LTE band 1/3/5/7/8/38/39/40/41, which is the China model.
basically you wont have support for this bands on 4G

white-k said:
I'm about to buy a OnePlus 3T.
I live in Sweden and travel in Europe from time to time.
Will the A3010 work well for me (even with 4G)?
I have already looked at willmyphonework.net/ but it only says:
"Device is compatible with some of the network carriers frequencies. It may work."
What practical advantages would I notice with a A3003(European version) vs the A3010(China version)?
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The only LTE band that is missing on A3010 is Band20. Most of Sweden network carriers are using Band7 so you are good to go. When you go aboard is a different story. But you are also more flexible because you can chose the roaming network. All you have to do is to chose a supported network carrier.

alvin182 said:
The main difference between OnePlus 3T A3003 and A3010 is the A3003 supports LTE band 1/3/5/7/8/20/38/40, which is the international model while A3010 supports LTE band 1/3/5/7/8/38/39/40/41, which is the China model.
basically you wont have support for this bands on 4G
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I'm confused by this. By those numbers it seems that the China model covers all the numbers as the Europe mode,l plus a few more. If so, then what bands are missing?
Or doesn't it work that way? Please help me understand
Edit: Oh... I missed to see band 20. But what does it mean practically that the China model misses band 20? How will I notice it?

vladimir_carlan said:
The only LTE band that is missing on A3010 is Band20. Most of Sweden network carriers are using Band7 so you are good to go. When you go aboard is a different story. But you are also more flexible because you can chose the roaming network. All you have to do is to chose a supported network carrier.
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Okay. What does it mean practically that the China model misses band 20?
How would I be likely to notice it when using my phone?

white-k said:
Okay. What does it mean practically that the China model misses band 20?
How would I be likely to notice it when using my phone?
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On a network that is using Band20 you'll have only HSDPA connectivity. Basically the phone will work just fine except the fact you won't have LTE connectivity. You'd have only 2G/3G/H+

vladimir_carlan said:
On a network that is using Band20 you'll have only HSDPA connectivity. Basically the phone will work just fine except the fact you won't have LTE connectivity. You'd have only 2G/3G/H+
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Thank you. It's getting somewhat clearer. Okay, but how likely am I to run in to Band20? Is that band (the only one missing from China model) more likely to be used than any of all of the other bands that are listed?

white-k said:
Thank you. It's getting somewhat clearer. Okay, but how likely am I to run in to Band20? Is that band (the only one missing from China model) more likely to be used than any of all of the other bands that are listed?
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I'll give you the UK example. In UK there's 3 LTE bands in use: 3,7 and 20. Other put 2600Mhz, 1800Mhz and 800Mhz (that's Band20 btw...). Only O2 is using only Band 20. All other providers are using at least one extra LTE band. EE is using all three LTE bands, Vodafone is using band 3 and band 20 and Three is using band 7 and band 20.
Now here is the thing... Those network checkers are telling that your device might work. But is not always the case. Here is the Vodafone UK example. As I said they are using Band 3 and Band 20. Now let's take a phone with Band3 but not Band 20 (for example my former Xiaomi Mi5). Will work on LTE but only in urban areas. Why? Because in rural areas the band used are band 7 and 20. Why? Lower frequencies are better at travelling long distances so are more suitable for rural areas where there are fewer masts. Also Band 20 provide better indoor coverage. But if you live in an urban area Band 3 and 7 are more likely to be used. The higher the frequency means higher capacity and therefore the ability to deal with more users which is a must in an urban area.
All in all the best way is to call your provider and ask what frequency they are using in YOUR area. If they are using 1800Mhz or 2600Mhz you are good to go. If not...I'm sorry.
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Just for my curiosity why are interested on a China version and not on a Europe one?

Here is the list of LTE bands used by Sweden network carriers. Take a look at it and you'll see if China version is good to go on your provider.

If you're primarily going to use it in Sweden, I would go with the A3003 (that's what I did, but then I seldom leave Jämtland ?).

vladimir_carlan said:
I'll give you the UK example. In UK there's 3 LTE bands in use: 3,7 and 20. Other put 2600Mhz, 1800Mhz and 800Mhz (that's Band20 btw...). Only O2 is using only Band 20. All other providers are using at least one extra LTE band. EE is using all three LTE bands, Vodafone is using band 3 and band 20 and Three is using band 7 and band 20.
Now here is the thing... Those network checkers are telling that your device might work. But is not always the case. Here is the Vodafone UK example. As I said they are using Band 3 and Band 20. Now let's take a phone with Band3 but not Band 20 (for example my former Xiaomi Mi5). Will work on LTE but only in urban areas. Why? Because in rural areas the band used are band 7 and 20. Why? Lower frequencies are better at travelling long distances so are more suitable for rural areas where there are fewer masts. Also Band 20 provide better indoor coverage. But if you live in an urban area Band 3 and 7 are more likely to be used. The higher the frequency means higher capacity and therefore the ability to deal with more users which is a must in an urban area.
All in all the best way is to call your provider and ask what frequency they are using in YOUR area. If they are using 1800Mhz or 2600Mhz you are good to go. If not...I'm sorry.
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Just for my curiosity why are interested on a China version and not on a Europe one?
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Wow. Now that was a good response! You really seem to know your stuff! Cool. :good:
Okay. Now I understand things a lot better too.
I use Telenor (and spend quite some time in Jämtland (rural) like another poster here:good.
Well I plan to buy my phone on ebay and the annoying thing is that the A3003 is about $100 more expensive than the A3010. I still think it is hard to decide if it will be worth an extra $100 for the Europe version...

You should not only consider LTE Bands, but also consider LTE CA.
Hong Kong/ Europe Model (A3003)
FDD-LTE/ 4G: Bands 1/3/5/7/8/20
TDD-LTE/ 4G: Bands 38/40
LTE CA / 4G+:
B3+B7, B3+B8, B3+B20, B7+B20, B3+B3, B3C, B7+B7, B7C, B40C
China Model (A3010)
FDD-LTE/ 4G : Bands 1/3/5/7/8
TDD-LTE/ 4G: Bands 38/39/40/41
LTE CA/ 4G+:
B1+B3, B39+B41, B39C, B40C, B41+B41, B41C，B38C
American Model (A3000)
FDD-LTE: Bands 1/2/4/5/7/8/12/17/30
LTE CA/ 4G+:
B2+B12, B2+B17, B4+B7, B4+B17, B12+B30,B2+B2, B2C, B4+B4, B4+B12, B4+B5, B2+B5

Ok. I ended up buying the EU-version as I found one that was just $40 more expensive.
Many thanks for making this more understandable guys! *thumbs up*

India 3T - 4G/LTE not working in US

Hi,
I bought an one plus 3T in india and brought it to US. I'm getting only E not even 3G. When I enquired in T mobile/lyca store, i was told that india unlocked mobile won't support the US bands. Network upgraded. It was big surprise to me. Please suggest me how to unblock additional LTE bands in my 3T mobile.

That's not possible, you should trade your 3t A3003 for a 3t A3000 American band-unlocked model.
Check the specifications for each model under connectivity.
https://oneplus.net/us/3t/specs

Wait, what?
I live in Sri Lanka (Tiny country below India) and my 3T is the Indian device. I toured Europe for 2 weeks, and I used an O2 Sim, and used LTE in Europe for the whole time I was there. Have you tried going to Settings, and selecting "LTE/3G Only"? That may fix your issue.
I swear, there should be no issue with the bands.

thes3usa said:
Wait, what?
I live in Sri Lanka (Tiny country below India) and my 3T is the Indian device. I toured Europe for 2 weeks, and I used an O2 Sim, and used LTE in Europe for the whole time I was there. Have you tried going to Settings, and selecting "LTE/3G Only"? That may fix your issue.
I swear, there should be no issue with the bands.
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India uses FDD 850, 1800 and TDD 2400. Most of the Europe uses TDD 1800. So you getting LTE in Europe is not a surprise.
USA uses 700, 1700, 1900, 2100, 2300
Varies with MSP
You will at least get 3G with T-Mobile and AT&T
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

thes3usa said:
Wait, what?
I live in Sri Lanka (Tiny country below India) and my 3T is the Indian device. I toured Europe for 2 weeks, and I used an O2 Sim, and used LTE in Europe for the whole time I was there. Have you tried going to Settings, and selecting "LTE/3G Only"? That may fix your issue.
I swear, there should be no issue with the bands.
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Europe and india uses the same bands. I lived in uk and used the uk phones in india and indian phones over there. Its the states that uses different frequencies so most of phones don't work properly outside states.

smokin901 said:
India uses FDD 850, 1800 and TDD 2400. Most of the Europe uses TDD 1800. So you getting LTE in Europe is not a surprise.
USA uses 700, 1700, 1900, 2100, 2300
Varies with MSP
You will at least get 3G with T-Mobile and AT&T
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk
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Europe and india uses the same bands. I lived in uk and used the uk phones in india and indian phones over there. Its the states that uses different frequencies so most of phones don't work properly outside states.
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Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me. I had no clue that it uses the same bands.

thes3usa said:
Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me. I had no clue that it uses the same bands.
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Compatibility of phones with the cell networks in the US are a total pain in the you-know-what. We have 4 different major carriers, all using different bands (a little bit of band sharing, but most completely different) for 3G and LTE (GSM is a little more standardized thankfully). Basically, as a general rule if a device not intended/designed to work on US (and depends on which exact US carrier), you are probably going to run into some incompatibilities (no 3G or no LTE, or limited connectivity).

redpoint73 said:
Compatibility of phones with the cell networks in the US are a total pain in the you-know-what. We have 4 different major carriers, all using different bands (a little bit of band sharing, but most completely different) for 3G and LTE (GSM is a little more standardized thankfully). Basically, as a general rule if a device not intended/designed to work on US (and depends on which exact US carrier), you are probably going to run into some incompatibilities (no 3G or no LTE, or limited connectivity).
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Talk about synchronicity eh? But do the difference in bands give any speed differences, or call clarity? In the blind about these stuff, coming from a country that has only one carrier out of five who is still beta testing VoLTE.

thes3usa said:
But do the difference in bands give any speed differences, or call clarity?
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Not an expert, and had to Google that. From what I'm reading, lower frequency (MHz) has better penetration (through buildings, etc.) while higher frequency bands have higher data capacity.

There are steps on how to unlock additional bands. There are like 50 steps. I dont remember where I've seen it but if you google how to unlock bands on OnePlus you will find it. Also try to flash Oxygen OS from US web site which I see no reason to work but just a suggestion lol

pk-air said:
Also try to flash Oxygen OS from US web site which I see no reason to work but just a suggestion lol
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There are no region specific versions of OxygenOS, so this will do nothing but reflash the latest update.

pk-air said:
There are steps on how to unlock additional bands. There are like 50 steps. I dont remember where I've seen it but if you google how to unlock bands on OnePlus you will find it. Also try to flash Oxygen OS from US web site which I see no reason to work but just a suggestion lol
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There are no steps at all. You cannot "unlock" bands, as they're hardware related. There's no way to switch bands out of the blue.

thes3usa said:
There are no steps at all. You cannot "unlock" bands, as they're hardware related. There's no way to switch bands out of the blue.
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No you can't switch but you can unlock some bands which might help
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/how-to/guide-unlock-additional-lte-bands-t3519563
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There are no region specific versions of OxygenOS, so this will do nothing but reflash the latest update.
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as I said I dont see any reason for it to work

thes3usa said:
There are no steps at all. You cannot "unlock" bands, as they're hardware related. There's no way to switch bands out of the blue.
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At one time that was true. But for Qualcomm SoCs, the band support stopped being set in hardware (at least for the most part) some 3 years ago with Snapdragon 801 (or maybe earlier, but definitely with 801). Support for all or most bands (might be some exceptions) used worldwide is there, but the specific bands are enabled in firmware.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/rf
That said, enabling bands is a long process as noted; and has the risk of resulting in a radio brick. So it's best to buy the correct region version OP3T (which supports the needed bands out of the box) when possible.

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At one time that was true. But for Qualcomm SoCs, the band support stopped being set in hardware (at least for the most part) some 3 years ago with Snapdragon 801 (or maybe earlier, but definitely with 801). Support for all or most bands (might be some exceptions) used worldwide is there, but the specific bands are enabled in firmware.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/rf
That said, enabling bands is a long process as noted; and has the risk of resulting in a radio brick. So it's best to buy the correct region version OP3T (which supports the needed bands out of the box) when possible.
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Why aren't all bands just enabled by default then? I don't understand why there are different models for different regions.
I have a US OP3T and I'm visiting India. It''s working with Jio in India (although it supports only only of the 3 bands used by Jio) but VoLTE doesn't work for some reason.

How does the ROG Phone 3 CN version work with AT&T?

Is it compatible with AT&T's 4G bands? Thanks.

I am testing too. I am using Telus in Canada, roaming in US is mostly T-Mobile though.
From what I can see, our version has LTE bands 2,4,5,7 only. It does not have 700MHz bands or 66 aka AWS-3, so we may have trouble in rural areas.

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Is it compatible with AT&T's 4G bands? Thanks.
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I'm using both t-mobile and ATT sim cards... t-mobile ha been working fine. at&t had been no good it's struggling with multimedia text messaging. Called both att and ways and nobody can fix it for now. Not sure if it's because of the dual setup. I've thing I noticed is that when I remove and replace the sun card manually it will work right for a few hours and then revert back.

tfae said:
Having root the easiest way to have this is installing the app from the Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=rgm.oneplus8pro_ircamera
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HandBasket said:
I'm using both t-mobile and ATT sim cards... t-mobile ha been working fine. at&t had been no good it's struggling with multimedia text messaging. Called both att and ways and nobody can fix it for now. Not sure if it's because of the dual setup. I've thing I noticed is that when I remove and replace the sun card manually it will work right for a few hours and then revert back.
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Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Only 2 band out of the 4 bands are supported. I ended up getting the OnePlus 8 Pro. It's SD865 vs the SD865+ in the ROG3, but the lack of ATT band support dissuaded me.

Im using rog 3 with ATT and have no issues at all

awdrifter said:
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Only 2 band out of the 4 bands are supported. I ended up getting the OnePlus 8 Pro. It's SD865 vs the SD865+ in the ROG3, but the lack of ATT band support dissuaded me.
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Im not sure why your saying you only get 2 lte bands. If anything ROG 3 supports most ATT band.
Here's a link with further details on ATT bands along with ROG 3 specs.
Cheat sheet: which 4G LTE bands do AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint use in the USA?
What are the 4G LTE bands supported by AT&T in 2019? Do they differ from the 4G LTE bands that T-Mobile uses? And what about Verizon Wireless massive 4G LTE network and its supported frequency bands? And where is Sprint left in the 4G LTE picture? What Verizon bands are currently in use? What...
www.phonearena.com

charlie95113 said:
Im not sure why your saying you only get 2 lte bands. If anything ROG 3 supports most ATT band.
Here's a link with further details on ATT bands along with ROG 3 specs.
Cheat sheet: which 4G LTE bands do AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint use in the USA?
What are the 4G LTE bands supported by AT&T in 2019? Do they differ from the 4G LTE bands that T-Mobile uses? And what about Verizon Wireless massive 4G LTE network and its supported frequency bands? And where is Sprint left in the 4G LTE picture? What Verizon bands are currently in use? What...
www.phonearena.com
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That's the Global version, which is much more expensive than the CN version. I was looking at the 12GB RAM/256GB ROM CN version for $680. The equivalent Global version is $900+. I ended up getting a OnePlus 8 Pro 12/256 for $710.

awdrifter said:
That's the Global version, which is much more expensive than the CN version. I was looking at the 12GB RAM/256GB ROM CN version for $680. The equivalent Global version is $900+. I ended up getting a OnePlus 8 Pro 12/256 for $710.
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For sure bud, well that's the one I got. I thought it would come with MIUI BUT IT DIDN'T