please any one know .how to make xposed changes permanent??
that is it remains there ..... even we uninstall xposed...
AS far as my understanding goes, xposed redirects specific function calls at runtime to other functions with the intend to run different code than the app would normally do. That said, redirecting those calls can not work without xposed framework or without the xposed modules as no changes are made to the apps directly.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
You are absolutely no wrong, however if we decompile the apk that is being modded via some specific module and we change the code of the redirected functions to the one included within module and recompile the apk, we should get an apk working exactly the same as if it was hooked via xposed+module.
Please note that a lot of modules has been originally created basing on reverse idea: first someone made a mod by changing the java/smali code of some apks, then someone wrote a module making same changes but via xposed, on-the-fly.
In my opinion such an automated tool to recompile the apks and change their code basing on the code included in a xposed module IS possible.
No one made it yet, tho...
Definitely not possible. You cannot simply redirect code from one app to another. With xposed, you are always running within app that's being modded.
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You are absolutely no wrong, however if we decompile the apk that is being modded via some specific module and we change the code of the redirected functions to the one included within module and recompile the apk, we should get an apk working exactly the same as if it was hooked via xposed+module.
Please note that a lot of modules has been originally created basing on reverse idea: first someone made a mod by changing the java/smali code of some apks, then someone wrote a module making same changes but via xposed, on-the-fly.
In my opinion such an automated tool to recompile the apks and change their code basing on the code included in a xposed module IS possible.
No one made it yet, tho...
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Im with this guy, and if you read on xposed... yes its code being "injected" into the stock apk ...
What xposed does is creates side files (ran by zygote)
They get copied to /system/bin as app_process(xposed)
Or app_process(origional)
These files act as Init.d scripting... to inject this code...
I assume they make both these copies for reverting back to stock (disable the module)
It IS possible to make these changes permanent and re-compile the apk...
However ... de-coding the module ... to find out what is getting injected where... THATS where im at so far ...
Arter 97 has proven this possible with adaway as a standalone apk in conjuction with his youtube apk... im assuming hes using code to call upon the adaway apk files , and still using it like xposed... but merely without xposed..
If anyone with more experience could point us on how to track down how to find exactly WHAT code is being injected and where... it would be EXTREMELY helpful to many people not wanting to run 3rd party applications to get their desired functions...
Anyone feel free to chime in
Hi guys, I currently have a chromium browser with built in adblocker. I would like the browser to use its own adblocker and not use the system host file from AdAway.
AdAway blocks certain links like Google shopping and Slickdeal links. I have tried to whitelist these links in AdAway, however, this causes lots of apps to display ads. Consequently, I would like to whitelist things on the browser end and use the AdAway host file for system wide ad blocking, within every other app.
That said, may a Magisk module be made where Chromium uses a blank host file and the rest of the OS uses a different one? Does an app/tweak/mod like this already exist?
Any assistance would be much appreciated. Thank in advance.
I know this isn't the answer you're looking for, but you could try Adguard instead. There are options to allow useful ads, such as Google shopping links and Slickdeals. If you use it in VPN mode you don't even need root. It never messes with your host file so it won't trip SafetyNet.
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It never messes with your host file so it won't trip SafetyNet.
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Since when does an edited hosts file trip SafetyNet?
Didgeridoohan said:
Since when does an edited hosts file trip SafetyNet?
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Isn't that the whole reason for systemless host files? That's the impression I was given.
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Isn't that the whole reason for systemless host files? That's the impression I was given.
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Nope.
Keeping your system mods systemless doesn't have anything to do (directly) with passing SafetyNet.
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I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again. The purpose of Magisk is NOT to hide root and pass SafetyNet (it's just a really nice feature); it's to make your system modifications systemless. You could use this to keep your devices ability to update through OTA, with a couple of extra steps. But, the main advantage for me (and it's the deal-breaker) is that I don't have to redo any of my system modifications after an update. These could be changing screen density, debloating system apps, systemising apps, changing prop values, etc. Before Magisk I could spend 30-45 minutes after an update just setting upp all the system tweaks the way I wanted it, only to realise a couples of days later I'd forgotten something. Now, with Magisk - flash the update, done!
Didgeridoohan said:
Nope.
Keeping your system mods systemless doesn't have anything to do (directly) with passing SafetyNet.
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I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again. The purpose of Magisk is NOT to hide root and pass SafetyNet (it's just a really nice feature); it's to make your system modifications systemless. You could use this to keep your devices ability to update through OTA, with a couple of extra steps. But, the main advantage for me (and it's the deal-breaker) is that I don't have to redo any of my system modifications after an update. These could be changing screen density, debloating system apps, systemising apps, changing prop values, etc. Before Magisk I could spend 30-45 minutes after an update just setting upp all the system tweaks the way I wanted it, only to realise a couples of days later I'd forgotten something. Now, with Magisk - flash the update, done!
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I thought I read in the Adaway thread some time ago altering the host file will trip it, maybe that was just with SuperSU tripping it rather than an altered host. Either way, my first post in this thread was an alternative to helping the OP with his issue of certain sites being blocked, so its valid. Adguard would be a great alternative to the problems he's having with sites being blocked.
I can do the module you want, but I haven't many free time this week.. I will see what I do
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I can do the module you want, but I haven't many free time this week.. I will see what I do
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This would be great. Please keep me posted!
Deic said:
I can do the module you want, but I haven't many free time this week.. I will see what I do
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Was the module ever made?
Root Explorer & AutoRun Receiver modification How to? (Going from SuperSu to Magisk)
I'm old school, using SuperSu, looking at a new phone will have to use Magisk. I understand it is systemless still unsure if i can do what I did prior with SuperSu like running root explorer and making changes to the system partition files does not appear to be as simple as it was with SuperSu. A thread mentioned that a module is needed. Can someone explain to me in detail what is required to make a change to a system file and if my understanding is correct I can't just fire up Root Explorer and make the changes on the fly?
This also ties to other apps like AutoRun which I use to manage all the receivers for all the apps and system apps. How can this be achieved with Magisk which is systemless root?
SuperSU is systemless root, just as Magisk is... What most get confused about is that Magisk also can do systemless system modifications.
The only time you would run into any trouble would be if you have a Magisk module mounting the same file(s) you want to edit manually. Other than that it shouldn't be any different. It's just root by different names...
You only need to use modules if you want to do systemless modifications (which has a few advantages, like being easy to revert, sticking across system updates, etc).
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Didgeridoohan said:
SuperSU is systemless root, just as Magisk is... What most get confused about is that Magisk also can do systemless system modifications.
The only time you would run into any trouble would be if you have a Magisk module mounting the same file(s) you want to edit manually. Other than that it shouldn't be any different. It's just root by different names...
You only need to use modules if you want to do systemless modifications (which has a few advantages, like being easy to revert, sticking across system updates, etc).
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Thanks for that explanation, coming from SuperSu and reading the different threads and articles really does cause confusion.
So if I understand correctly, if I buy an S10, root it per the instructions i can use Root Explorer and Autorun & AdAway for example to make changes to system files and it will behave the same as SuperSu on older platforms?
You mentioned the benefits of systemless modifications is easy to revert, i guess for those that don't document changes or make a backup this is a benefit but i do both so it wouldn't make much sense for me.
But you touched on something important about sticking across system updates. If I manually edit the system files like I do in SuperSu, doesn't that render system updates obsolete because the phone is now rooted and system files have been modified and OTA updates no longer work? I assume by updates you mean manual updates and not OTA so I just want to confirm.
Another question regarding manually changing system files how does that affect SafetyNet checks and Magisk ability to Hide root from banking apps. Would these still work if I use root explorer, AutoRun & Adaway for example?
Thanks a lot
Correct, I'm talking about manual updates, not OTA (which won't work with a modified /system).
Most system edits you do will still make it possible to pass SafetyNet, but that all depends on what kind of edit you do. I don't have an example of any kind of edit that would trigger it though, so generally you should be safe.
There's actually another very good reason to start doing systemless modifications... From what @topjohnwu has been telling me it's actually going to be impossible to do manual modifications of /system starting from Android Q. I'm not even going to pretend to understand it all, but that's what he's apparently found while looking into rooting the Pixel 3/3XL on Q. It might not happen on all devices updating to Q (and knowing Samsung they'll likely come up with some sort of hybrid solution of their own), but that seems to be the future of Android modding.
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Thanks for that explanation, coming from SuperSu and reading the different threads and articles really does cause confusion.
So if I understand correctly, if I buy an S10, root it per the instructions i can use Root Explorer and Autorun & AdAway for example to make changes to system files and it will behave the same as SuperSu on older platforms?
You mentioned the benefits of systemless modifications is easy to revert, i guess for those that don't document changes or make a backup this is a benefit but i do both so it wouldn't make much sense for me.
But you touched on something important about sticking across system updates. If I manually edit the system files like I do in SuperSu, doesn't that render system updates obsolete because the phone is now rooted and system files have been modified and OTA updates no longer work? I assume by updates you mean manual updates and not OTA so I just want to confirm.
Another question regarding manually changing system files how does that affect SafetyNet checks and Magisk ability to Hide root from banking apps. Would these still work if I use root explorer, AutoRun & Adaway for example?
Thanks a lot
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Generally speaking if you touch (actual) system files you'll not pass SafetyNet anymore. Neither will be able to do OTA updates. Besides that you'll have to reapply all your changes if you update system manually.
That's where Magisk comes. During boot Magisk builds a new system and apply the changes (with modules) that you want on it, not touching the actual device system files. This is the "systemless" concept.
For instance on Magisk there's an option (a module) that will let edit hosts file systemless. That way you can use AdAway without problems, its hosts file will be replacing Magisk system hosts, but not the actual device system hosts.
In a nut shell and simple words it is this way:
device boots.
Magisk gets the actual system and clone it.
Magisk apply the changes you want - modules that you have installed or manually written on appropriate folder - to this system clone only.
You never touch actual device system.
Magisk this way can hide whole root and system changes to Google and other apps.
You can update OTA or manually with no worries. All your changes will be always reapplied by Magisk over whatever actual system you have.
If you want to change system files ( systemless) you can:
write a module and add it to Magisk Manager app
or with a file manager manually put some files on a specific folder of Magisk (same place that modules do)
or use some of the already available modules that let's you do some generic stuff (for instance edit props, debloat, systemize apps,...)
But if you really want to change your actual system (NOT systemless) sure you can. You can do that under recovery. Or you can do that with regular root file manager on a specific Magisk folder that is a link (mirror) to actual system.
All those folders and how to deal with them are explained on Magisk Github readme. Search there for file structure.
Didgeridoohan said:
SuperSU is systemless root, just as Magisk is... What most get confused about is that Magisk also can do systemless system modifications.
The only time you would run into any trouble would be if you have a Magisk module mounting the same file(s) you want to edit manually. Other than that it shouldn't be any different. It's just root by different names...
You only need to use modules if you want to do systemless modifications (which has a few advantages, like being easy to revert, sticking across system updates, etc).
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Didgeridoohan said:
Correct, I'm talking about manual updates, not OTA (which won't work with a modified /system).
Most system edits you do will still make it possible to pass SafetyNet, but that all depends on what kind of edit you do. I don't have an example of any kind of edit that would trigger it though, so generally you should be safe.
There's actually another very good reason to start doing systemless modifications... From what @topjohnwu has been telling me it's actually going to be impossible to do manual modifications of /system starting from Android Q. I'm not even going to pretend to understand it all, but that's what he's apparently found while looking into rooting the Pixel 3/3XL on Q. It might not happen on all devices updating to Q (and knowing Samsung they'll likely come up with some sort of hybrid solution of their own), but that seems to be the future of Android modding.
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Thanks again, very useful information.
The edits will be to XML files to tweak and mod the usual CSC open up hidden features, etc so hopefully that does not trigger SafetyNet.
I did read a little about Q on and Pixel 3. I believe he achieved root on Pixel 2. If this is the case it is a sad day for those of us who like to do mods the old fashion way.
With respect to doing these mods via systemless, i understand that modules have to be created. I assume this is a straight forward process? I've never dabbled in Magisk or its modules, if i want to make a simple change to an XML file is there a tutorial on how to do so and how the modules have to be loaded?
Thanks
arf8 said:
With respect to doing these mods via systemless, i understand that modules have to be created. I assume this is a straight forward process? I've never dabbled in Magisk or its modules, if i want to make a simple change to an XML file is there a tutorial on how to do so and how the modules have to be loaded?
Thanks
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It's quite easy to make modules, yes. @topjohnwu has it laid out pretty well in the docs:
https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/guides.html
And it's all pretty well explained in the template files as well:
https://github.com/topjohnwu/magisk-module-installer
Basically you place the files in the same directory structure as you'd find them on your device's /system partition and Magisk will do the rest. And, this community is generally very helpful so if you ever need help getting a module together it's just a matter of asking. :good:
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Generally speaking if you touch (actual) system files you'll not pass SafetyNet anymore. Neither will be able to do OTA updates. Besides that you'll have to reapply all your changes if you update system manually.
That's where Magisk comes. During boot Magisk builds a new system and apply the changes (with modules) that you want on it, not touching the actual device system files. This is the "systemless" concept.
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I thought based on the response from Didgeridoohan that touching some system files does not trigger safetynet?
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For instance on Magisk there's an option (a module) that will let edit hosts file systemless. That way you can use AdAway without problems, its hosts file will be replacing Magisk system hosts, but not the actual device system hosts.
In a nut shell and simple words it is this way:
device boots.
Magisk gets the actual system and clone it.
Magisk apply the changes you want - modules that you have installed or manually written on appropriate folder - to this system clone only.
You never touch actual device system.
Magisk this way can hide whole root and system changes to Google and other apps.
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Thanks this makes sense, but how does one create a module for an application that modifies countless files. I get AdAway modifies the hosts file and changing xml files is easy enough to change because you know what file changed. But for a program like AutoRun Manager which changes countless program receivers, how do you make a module out of that? The application itself modifies countless files based on the changes made in the application. I don't assume everything can be done through a Systemless module or am I wrong?
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You can update OTA or manually with no worries. All your changes will be always reapplied by Magisk over whatever actual system you have.
If you want to change system files ( systemless) you can:
write a module and add it to Magisk Manager app
or with a file manager manually put some files on a specific folder of Magisk (same place that modules do)
or use some of the already available modules that let's you do some generic stuff (for instance edit props, debloat, systemize apps,...)
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Understand on the updates if changes are done via systemless.
So if i copy a system file and place it in the specific folder of Magisk is there more required to make this a module. You will have to excuse my Magisk ignorance. I'll have to look at those modules to see how they made them and see if i can apply the same to the mods I want to do on single files but the bigger issue is on applications itself that modify multiple files like Autorun, Tasker, VPN clients etc.
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But if you really want to change your actual system (NOT systemless) sure you can. You can do that under recovery. Or you can do that with regular root file manager on a specific Magisk folder that is a link (mirror) to actual system.
All those folders and how to deal with them are explained on Magisk Github readme. Search there for file structure.
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Thanks I read through the readme at Github but I had more questions than answers.
Didgeridoohan said:
It's quite easy to make modules, yes. @topjohnwu has it laid out pretty well in the docs:
https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/guides.html
And it's all pretty well explained in the template files as well:
https://github.com/topjohnwu/magisk-module-installer
Basically you place the files in the same directory structure as you'd find them on your device's /system partition and Magisk will do the rest. And, this community is generally very helpful so if you ever need help getting a module together it's just a matter of asking. :good:
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I will have to keep reading and looking at examples to make sure I understand. It seems pretty easy the way you put it by copying the file in the same directory structure but it seems like there is more to it than that?
My question is how do you apply systemless changes when it is not just a single file for example AutoRun manager that manages the Receivers of every single application in the phone which could be hundreds including system files. How do you make a module or systemless change at this point? Perhaps I should stick with what I know from the SuperSu days and let the application do its job and not upgrade to Q. Mind you I'm on a rooted S6edge with SuperSu on PingPong exploit so I'm very familiar with this phones file systems and documented all my changes but I also rely on many applications to do the changes through their front end.
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I will have to keep reading and looking at examples to make sure I understand. It seems pretty easy the way you put it by copying the file in the same directory structure but it seems like there is more to it than that?
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No, that's basically it. Put the files in the proper place in the zip, flash it in the Manager or recovery and you're good to go. Or, you could even do it manually while booted by creating the module directory under /data/adb/modules_update. There you can then place the module.prop file (so that the module is recognised by the Manager) and a /system (and/or /system/vendor) directory where you put all the files you want to replace with your own. Reboot, and voila.
My question is how do you apply systemless changes when it is not just a single file for example AutoRun manager that manages the Receivers of every single application in the phone which could be hundreds including system files. How do you make a module or systemless change at this point? Perhaps I should stick with what I know from the SuperSu days and let the application do its job and not upgrade to Q. Mind you I'm on a rooted S6edge with SuperSu on PingPong exploit so I'm very familiar with this phones file systems and documented all my changes but I also rely on many applications to do the changes through their front end.
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Does the app in question actually edit the system and/or vendor partitions? Or is it simply updating system settings that are found elsewhere? If it's the latter it doesn't really matter...
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No, that's basically it. Put the files in the proper place in the zip, flash it in the Manager or recovery and you're good to go. Or, you could even do it manually while booted by creating the module directory under /data/adb/modules_update. There you can then place the module.prop file (so that the module is recognised by the Manager) and a /system (and/or /system/vendor) directory where you put all the files you want to replace with your own. Reboot, and voila.
Does the app in question actually edit the system and/or vendor partitions? Or is it simply updating system settings that are found elsewhere? If it's the latter it doesn't really matter...
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It sounds very simple the way you put it. I looked for some examples on XDA to see if I understand the changes but what threw me off for example on this one below is that the changes are being made to the build.prop file but I don't see a build.prop in any of the folders? instead there is a system.prop?
https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-Grave/voenabler
That is a great question, i don't know to be honest, I do know the app does require root to function in making changes to system files so lets assume the former instead of the latter. Does that mean Magisk can no longer "hide root" if this app is used?
How about Ti backup or more specifically flash fire? Currently I have flashfire backups for any major change I make so if something goes south i recover the entire phone using this tool. Its a beautiful tool for creating snapshots and full recovery, no config needed. I don't suppose it will work any longer with systemless option?
This is just my ignorance as I read more I have more questions, but supersu for example exploited vulnerabilities to achieve root. Is Magisk actually exploiting any vulnerabilities or simply taking advantage of the fact the bootloader is unlocked and therefore it mimics various system partitions to give you a faux root? I'm trying to understand if there is no actual vulnerability to exploit like PingPong in Lollipop for example how can I make changes manually to the system files using Root Explorer? On my S6 Edge it has a locked bootloader, but I still have root access with SuperSu via an exploit, I don't think this is possible with Magisk b/c the bootloader is locked so is Magisk really root?
thanks again for your patience but I'm sure this will come up for anyone doing from SuperSu to Magisk
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It sounds very simple the way you put it. I looked for some examples on XDA to see if I understand the changes but what threw me off for example on this one below is that the changes are being made to the build.prop file but I don't see a build.prop in any of the folders? instead there is a system.prop?
https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-Grave/voenabler
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Whenever Magisk changes a prop value that you normally would find in build.prop it doesn't actually alter the file, but instead loads a new value in the old ones place. That's done with the resetprop tool and Magisk reads the system.prop file during boot to load the new values.
That is a great question, i don't know to be honest, I do know the app does require root to function in making changes to system files so lets assume the former instead of the latter. Does that mean Magisk can no longer "hide root" if this app is used?
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As mentioned earlier, it's all a matter of what kind of edits you make... But any edit that's not been done through Magisk cannot be hidden by MagiskHide.
How about Ti backup or more specifically flash fire? Currently I have flashfire backups for any major change I make so if something goes south i recover the entire phone using this tool. Its a beautiful tool for creating snapshots and full recovery, no config needed. I don't suppose it will work any longer with systemless option?
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There's a very real chance that Flashfire will not work. This is simply because it is practically abandoned and as far as I know @Chainfire has no interest in spending the considerable effort it would take to get it up to speed with the current Android situation.
This is just my ignorance as I read more I have more questions, but supersu for example exploited vulnerabilities to achieve root. Is Magisk actually exploiting any vulnerabilities or simply taking advantage of the fact the bootloader is unlocked and therefore it mimics various system partitions to give you a faux root? I'm trying to understand if there is no actual vulnerability to exploit like PingPong in Lollipop for example how can I make changes manually to the system files using Root Explorer? On my S6 Edge it has a locked bootloader, but I still have root access with SuperSu via an exploit, I don't think this is possible with Magisk b/c the bootloader is locked so is Magisk really root?
thanks again for your patience but I'm sure this will come up for anyone doing from SuperSu to Magisk
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Magisk does not use any exploits and you will have to unlock your bootloader to install it. There is nothing faux about MagiskSU. It's just as real as any other root solution you'll find out there...
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Whenever Magisk changes a prop value that you normally would find in build.prop it doesn't actually alter the file, but instead loads a new value in the old ones place. That's done with the resetprop tool and Magisk reads the system.prop file during boot to load the new values.
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Makes sense, i was looking for build.prop
As mentioned earlier, it's all a matter of what kind of edits you make... But any edit that's not been done through Magisk cannot be hidden by MagiskHide.
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understand
There's a very real chance that Flashfire will not work. This is simply because it is practically abandoned and as far as I know @Chainfire has no interest in spending the considerable effort it would take to get it up to speed with the current Android situation.
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This is probably the most disheartening to hear as I'm not sure what other alternative there is to make a complete snapshot. I assume TWRP but i'm not familiar enough with it and it does not work with the S10.
Magisk does not use any exploits and you will have to unlock your bootloader to install it. There is nothing faux about MagiskSU. It's just as real as any other root solution you'll find out there...
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Again my ignorance is getting the better of me here so bear with me. SuperSu used the PingPong kernel exploit in Lollipop to achieve root, regardless if it had a locked/unlocked bootloader. How does Magisk actually achieve root on the S10 and provide elevated privileges if it is not exploiting a known vulnerability? Or is it exploiting a vulnerability? Is my assumption not correct that because the bootloader is unlocked, it is simply (over simplifying) make a copy of the system partitions and than gives you the impression you have root?
Very enlightening information.
Upon further reading, it looks like Magisk zip contains the su binary which gives you root access without having to exploit a vulnerability so it only works with unlocked bootloader.
arf8 said:
Again my ignorance is getting the better of me here so bear with me. SuperSu used the PingPong kernel exploit in Lollipop to achieve root, regardless if it had a locked/unlocked bootloader. How does Magisk actually achieve root on the S10 and provide elevated privileges if it is not exploiting a known vulnerability? Or is it exploiting a vulnerability? Is my assumption not correct that because the bootloader is unlocked, it is simply (over simplifying) make a copy of the system partitions and than gives you the impression you have root?
Very enlightening information.
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Upon further reading, it looks like Magisk zip contains the su binary which gives you root access without having to exploit a vulnerability so it only works with unlocked bootloader.
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Mornin'.
Correctamundo... No exploits, no vulnerabilities, just old-fashioned root.
Besides the su binary, Magisk also needs to modify the boot image, or in the S10's and some other modern devices case the recovery image. That's why we need to have the bootloader unlocked, to flash the modified file to the boot/recovery partition.
Didgeridoohan said:
Whenever Magisk changes a prop value that you normally would find in build.prop it doesn't actually alter the file, but instead loads a new value in the old ones place. That's done with the resetprop tool and Magisk reads the system.prop file during boot to load the new values.
As mentioned earlier, it's all a matter of what kind of edits you make... But any edit that's not been done through Magisk cannot be hidden by MagiskHide.
There's a very real chance that Flashfire will not work. This is simply because it is practically abandoned and as far as I know @Chainfire has no interest in spending the considerable effort it would take to get it up to speed with the current Android situation.
Magisk does not use any exploits and you will have to unlock your bootloader to install it. There is nothing faux about MagiskSU. It's just as real as any other root solution you'll find out there...
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Mornin'.
Correctamundo... No exploits, no vulnerabilities, just old-fashioned root.
Besides the su binary, Magisk also needs to modify the boot image, or in the S10's and some other modern devices case the recovery image. That's why we need to have the bootloader unlocked, to flash the modified file to the boot/recovery partition.
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Thanks as usual for the confirmation.
To summarize & correct me if I'm wrong, but the take away for anyone else coming from SuperSu to Magisk who read this thread, is that you will still be able to modify the system files the same old fashion way with apps like Root Explorer, caveat pre-Q (upcoming Android OS), but you give up the ability to Hide Root, which is one the key features what Magisk is known for. Otherwise you can go the modules route which is "systemless" and maintain the ability to hide root.
Does that sound right?
For those like me who are used to the old fashion way of tweaking it will take some getting used to modules and creating them. The problem or issue becomes older style apps which can't be adopted to modules is where the issue arises for systemless conversion. I learned a lot so I appreciate your feedback. If you ask me some of this info should be sticky'd somewhere.
You've almost got it... Even with most old-fashioned system modifications you should be able to hide root. The problem arises if you do some kind of edit that apps looking for root usually look for, like installing Busybox. But that specific case shouldn't be an issue, since there's a Busybox module available in the Magisk repo.
Actually, many if the things you'd normally edit after having rooted can be done through Magisk modules already available.
Debloating - use Debloater.
Systemising apps - use App Systemizer.
Editing build.prop and other prop values- use MagiskHide Props Config.
Hosts adblocking - use the built-in systemless hosts module (Manager settings) and AdAway (or your hosts editor of choice).
Etc...
Thanks, I do have busybox installed so I will use the Module for sure and all the other modules you mentioned. The concern is applications themselves like AutoRun for example and I'm sure more. But good to know the option is there to manually make changes like the old fashion way if you are not concerned about hiding or passing safetynet. I personally don't have anything I want to hide, using this method will trip knox so samsung pay on the phone is out the door. Setting up Samsung Pay on a Gear watch is a different story so that will be beneficial.
In regards to adblocking, are you saying you can use the built-in systemless hosts module and also install the Adaway apk like you normally would? Does it require a modified version of the Adaway app or the regular apk for F-Droid for example will work fine?
One final question since we touched on this earlier. Since FlashFire will not work and TWRP is not an option. What is an alternative for taking a complete snapshot of your phone for backup and recovery?
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In regards to adblocking, are you saying you can use the built-in systemless hosts module and also install the Adaway apk like you normally would? Does it require a modified version of the Adaway app or the regular apk for F-Droid for example will work fine?
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Yup. Enable the option in the Magisk Manager and reboot. After that Adaway (the regular one from F-Droid) will not touch /system.
One final question since we touched on this earlier. Since FlashFire will not work and TWRP is not an option. What is an alternative for taking a complete snapshot of your phone for backup and recovery?
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I'm assuming you mean to get the Exynos version of the S10 (since you won't be able to unlock the bootloader otherwise), so: https://twrp.me/samsung/samsunggalaxys10.html
But, I'm not the right person to ask about full snapshot backups... I never do that (haven't for years), but instead make sure that any important data (photos, etc) always is backed up to the cloud. The rest is easy to set up again after a reset (and a reset is good to do once in a while).