Hey,
So as mentioned in the large "How to root" thread, any update after 4.4.3 will essentially make your device unrootable (or unwritable).
I have the xt1058, which is one of the devices with a locked bootloader. This device is also compatible with Android 5.0, so I was wondering if I flash a captured OTA of 5.0 for the xt1058, will that lock out my bootloader and ensure that I can never root again?
Thanks!
5.0 > 4.4.3 so logic would lead me to say yes, you're stuck running stock.
If you are locked, you will not be able to Root on 5.0 for now, or for awhile.... If ever.
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Once it comes out of course.
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if you really want to Root.... Best to not update, as they may figure out how to Root kit Kat and not Lollipop. Usually how it goes.
themsftcpu said:
Hey,
So as mentioned in the large "How to root" thread, any update after 4.4.3 will essentially make your device unrootable (or unwritable).
I have the xt1058, which is one of the devices with a locked bootloader. This device is also compatible with Android 5.0, so I was wondering if I flash a captured OTA of 5.0 for the xt1058, will that lock out my bootloader and ensure that I can never root again?
Thanks!
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Not sure what you mean by "flash a captured OTA" but with a locked bootloader all you can flash is a ROM or OTA which is digitally signed by Moto and meant for your phone and its CID value. In other words, you can't capture an OTA zip file, modify, repack it and flash it to include Root, if you have a locked bootloader.
If you want usable root on the X you need two parts 1. Root Exploit, and 2. An Exploit that allows for disabling Write Protection.
If you have a locked bootloader you need someone to find these exploits and create a repeatable process to use them to gain root and disabling write protection. You basically need to find and exploit a flaw or vulnerability in the phone, or its software. i.e. Hack It.
When Write Protection is enabled (the phone's default state with locked bootloader, or the state you are in after you install 4.4.2), any changes made to /system, or the like, (including, but not limited to, App installs, file modifications, deletions, renames, etc) are not permanent and are lost at power off/on.
On a locked bootloader you are relying on someone finding vulnerabilities in the phone or its software to both root and disable write protection. Period. No way around that.
As it stands right now, no one has released info on any vulnerabilities which could gain root on a locked bootloader 2013 X which have been upgraded to 4.4.4. So there is no process for rooting those locked bootloader phones.
While JCASE's Sunshine tool can exploit a vulnerability to unlock the bootloader (disabling write protection), it needs to be able to ROOT, or Temp Root, the phone first, which leaves out phones on 4.4.4 (unless I've missed a change recently). (and before you ask, no, you can NOT safely downgrade from 4.4.4 to 4.4.2 or lower, nor can you get to a state where Sunshine will work once you have 4.4.4 on your phone.)
With further security enhancements as android evolves, its only going to get more difficult finding vulnerabilities to exploit and creating repeatable processes for those with locked bootloaders. In other words while there might be a chance someone comes up with something for locked bootloader 2013 X's on Lollipop, I wouldn't count on it happening, nor would I "bet the farm" that it will ever happen.
KidJoe said:
Not sure what you mean by "flash a captured OTA" but with a locked bootloader all you can flash is a ROM or OTA which is digitally signed by Moto and meant for your phone and its CID value. In other words, you can't capture an OTA zip file, modify, repack it and flash it to include Root, if you have a locked bootloader.
If you want usable root on the X you need two parts 1. Root Exploit, and 2. An Exploit that allows for disabling Write Protection.
If you have a locked bootloader you need someone to find these exploits and create a repeatable process to use them to gain root and disabling write protection. You basically need to find and exploit a flaw or vulnerability in the phone, or its software. i.e. Hack It.
When Write Protection is enabled (the phone's default state with locked bootloader, or the state you are in after you install 4.4.2), any changes made to /system, or the like, (including, but not limited to, App installs, file modifications, deletions, renames, etc) are not permanent and are lost at power off/on.
On a locked bootloader you are relying on someone finding vulnerabilities in the phone or its software to both root and disable write protection. Period. No way around that.
As it stands right now, no one has released info on any vulnerabilities which could gain root on a locked bootloader 2013 X which have been upgraded to 4.4.4. So there is no process for rooting those locked bootloader phones.
While JCASE's Sunshine tool can exploit a vulnerability to unlock the bootloader (disabling write protection), it needs to be able to ROOT, or Temp Root, the phone first, which leaves out phones on 4.4.4 (unless I've missed a change recently). (and before you ask, no, you can NOT safely downgrade from 4.4.4 to 4.4.2 or lower, nor can you get to a state where Sunshine will work once you have 4.4.4 on your phone.)
With further security enhancements as android evolves, its only going to get more difficult finding vulnerabilities to exploit and creating repeatable processes for those with locked bootloaders. In other words while there might be a chance someone comes up with something for locked bootloader 2013 X's on Lollipop, I wouldn't count on it happening, nor would I "bet the farm" that it will ever happen.
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What about using safestrap? I also own a locked moto x and am currently running a rooted 4.4.4 ROM via safestrap.
Would this be possible to do with lollipop while retaining root?
frenchie007 said:
What about using safestrap? I also own a locked moto x and am currently running a rooted 4.4.4 ROM via safestrap.
Would this be possible to do with lollipop while retaining root?
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You'll likely still need to find a software vulnerability to exploit to gain root. And if Lillipop uses a new Kernel (which is does) it may not be compatible with the current Safestrap. And Hash stopped developing Safestrap.
That being said.. Safe strap requires the host phone/os be rooted with write protection disabled. So if you are running Safestrap on a 2013 X, you likely have Android 4.4 or lower as your host OS and have used something like SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto along with MotoWpNoMo to root and disable write protection on your host OS. If this is the case, use Sunshine to unlock your bootloader. It will be much easier.
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You'll likely still need to find a software vulnerability to exploit to gain root. And if Lillipop uses a new Kernel (which is does) it may not be compatible with the current Safestrap. And Hash stopped developing Safestrap.
That being said.. Safe strap requires the host phone/os be rooted with write protection disabled. So if you are running Safestrap on a 2013 X, you likely have Android 4.4 or lower as your host OS and have used something like SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto along with MotoWpNoMo to root and disable write protection on your host OS. If this is the case, use Sunshine to unlock your bootloader. It will be much easier.
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Yep, I was holding out on unlocking with sunshine but seems like its necessary to keep root for lollipop. Thanks!
frenchie007 said:
Yep, I was holding out on unlocking with sunshine but seems like its necessary to keep root for lollipop. Thanks!
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Why would you ever wait to unlock your bootloader if you're able to? You wouldn't have to worry about any of this with an unlocked bootloader.
nhizzat said:
Why would you ever wait to unlock your bootloader if you're able to? You wouldn't have to worry about any of this with an unlocked bootloader.
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My only guess would be.... he is still under warranty and isn't in a hurry to void it?
nhizzat said:
Why would you ever wait to unlock your bootloader if you're able to? You wouldn't have to worry about any of this with an unlocked bootloader.
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KidJoe said:
My only guess would be.... he is still under warranty and isn't in a hurry to void it?
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Because sunshine costs money and yes, I'm in no hurry to unlock it (until lollipop comes along that is)
frenchie007 said:
Because sunshine costs money and yes, I'm in no hurry to unlock it (until lollipop comes along that is)
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Just keep in mind.... As soon as you update to 4.4.4 or Lollipop, There's no guarantee you'll ever be able to unlock with Sunshine.
You likely know this... But just checking. ?
Darth said:
Just keep in mind.... As soon as you update to 4.4.4 or Lollipop, There's no guarantee you'll ever be able to unlock with Sunshine.
You likely know this... But just checking. ��
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using safestrap to flash only parts of 4.4.4 (excluding bootloader if I'm not mistaken) allows me to retain full root even on 4.4.4 even with a locked bootloader. however from what I understand you're right this won't be possible for lollipop :/
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using safestrap to flash only parts of 4.4.4 (excluding bootloader if I'm not mistaken) allows me to retain full root even on 4.4.4. however from what I understand you're right this won't be possible for lollipop
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Maybe it could..... But based on the issues I've seen in the N5 section, likely not. Lollipop probably won't play well with anything kit Kat or earlier.
Pretty hard to test too... Who knows what would happen if you tried. Also, who knows when or if SBF files will turn up.
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Off topic.... But I will feel bad for anyone who has Lollipop complaints and tries downgrading. Could be the end of their device.
Unless moto changes that quirk with their bootloader.
Is root possible or twrp being locked on Verizon MM?
cell2011 said:
Is root possible or twrp being locked on Verizon MM?
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Why not ask before taking the OTA? We warned everyone to unlock their bootloader first or they may never be able to do it.
NOVEMBER 5, 2016
quadcrap1 said:
They WILL probably lock down the phone from the Sunshine exploit with the new update, and probably they'll lock it down for good this time. So if you want to unlock your phone, do it before the next update.
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I wrote about it also, and I think the Sunshine team did also. That's just the first one I found.
ChazzMatt said:
Why not ask before taking the OTA? We warned everyone to unlock their bootloader first or they may never be able to do it.
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Whats steps could i take to downgrade or will the patch not let me? I sideloaded the OTA someone had on here
cell2011 said:
Whats steps could i take to downgrade or will the patch not let me? I sideloaded the OTA someone had on here
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You can't downgrade bootloader.
If Sunshine doesn't work with 6.0.1, you can only hope they have a trick up their sleeve they're not revealing yet.
Verizon has temporarily stopped the XT1254 OTA rollout due to all the bricked phones. Guess a year wasn't enough time for testing? (sarcasm)
But after they resume OTA rollout and after the full 6.0.1 XT1254 firmware is publicly released, then Sunshine team could safely unveil any update they may be holding -- IF they have anything.
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You can't downgrade bootloader.
If Sunshine doesn't work with 6.0.1, you can only hope they have a trick up their sleeve they're not revealing yet.
Verizon has temporarily stopped the. XT1254 OTA rollout due to all the bricked phones. Guess a year wasn't enough time for testing? (sarcasm)
But after they resume and after the full 6.0.1 XT1254 firmware is publicly released, then Sunshine team could safely unveil any update they may be holding -- IF they have anything.
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My phone is grt charging fast and performance smooth so far
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Is root possible or twrp being locked on Verizon MM?
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The answer to your question is here: https://youtu.be/nF_lJTGKFP0
hi everyone! i have at&t moto x 2014 xt1097 curruntly at stock 5.1 with locked bootloader. i want to update it with stock marshmallow firmware but can't find it at the motofirmware centre (at least not for at&t version). any help will be appreciated.
There is no at&t marshmallow firmware.
If you did not accept the security updates from October (Android security patch level 2016-08-01), then you can use Kingroot and Sunshine ($ 25) to temp-root and bootloader unlock your device, and install some non-at&t firmware, see Root and Bootloader Unlock AT&T XT1097 on 5.1.
If you're device is patched, then this path is closed and you are out of luck.
pj.de.bruin said:
There is no at&t marshmallow firmware.
If you did not accept the security updates from October (Android security patch level 2016-08-01), then you can use Kingroot and Sunshine ($ 25) to temp-root and bootloader unlock your device, and install some non-at&t firmware, see Root and Bootloader Unlock AT&T XT1097 on 5.1.
If you're device is patched, then this path is closed and you are out of luck.
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unfortunately i have the updates installed. i heard that to install any motorola stock firmware the only requirment was unlocked bootloader. do i have to root too? or just unlock bootloader?
Your information is correct. But you cannot simply unlock this bootloader. The At&t xt1097 bootloader cannot be unlocked through the Motorola service.
I realize the answer might be it isn't possible but if it is how can I stop my phone from updating in hopes that a root method might become available.
I just got my first update notice from the phone and root is something I really do prefer to have despite what I lose and all the alternatives out there for root related apps.
Thanks in advance for anyone who helps.
BK Disabler. Disable the 3 apps that say update.
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Icon000 said:
I realize the answer might be it isn't possible but if it is how can I stop my phone from updating in hopes that a root method might become available.
I just got my first update notice from the phone and root is something I really do prefer to have despite what I lose and all the alternatives out there for root related apps.
Thanks in advance for anyone who helps.
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Updating will not effect you being able to root in the future. When root is obtained for the Snapdragon variant (don't hold your breath) You will be able to root regardless of updates taken
Mr.Ash.Man said:
Updating will not effect you being able to root in the future. When root is obtained for the Snapdragon variant (don't hold your breath) You will be able to root regardless of updates taken
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Are you sure? Because I feel like in the past with other phones they've advised against updates since the OEM could patch the exploit used to obtain root.
Icon000 said:
Are you sure? Because I feel like in the past with other phones they've advised against updates since the OEM could patch the exploit used to obtain root.
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Positive.
There's already a thread about it somewhere around here...
Rooting latest samsung snapdragon devices requires an eng kernel to be used. Will work on any update
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Updating will not effect you being able to root in the future. When root is obtained for the Snapdragon variant (don't hold your breath) You will be able to root regardless of updates taken
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That doesn't seem to be correct. I have note 8 Verizon and I can't root because my bootloader is updated to version 3 or 4. You have to be on bootloader 1 to root and it's not possible to downgrade your bootloader, so I'm screwed. At the moment I'm trying to stop the updates in hope that a root method will become available for later bootloader versions. My bootloader has upgraded 2 versions since I found out and can't seem to stop the updated. I even have them disabled in Dev opt.
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That doesn't seem to be correct. I have note 8 Verizon and I can't root because my bootloader is updated to version 3 or 4. You have to be on bootloader 1 to root and it's not possible to downgrade your bootloader, so I'm screwed. At the moment I'm trying to stop the updates in hope that a root method will become available for later bootloader versions. My bootloader has upgraded 2 versions since I found out and can't seem to stop the updated. I even have them disabled in Dev opt.
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Correct (his post is over a year old). You'll need to disable the update-related packages to stop them completely.
If I'm on F/W revision 3, can I use odin to update without updating the bootloader version?
I unlocked my Nokia 8's bootloader using @the_laser 's method. Now I'll receive April security patch anytime. My question is, should I apply it or skipping it is the best decision? Also, can I relock my bootloader in anyway?
ChoromPotro said:
I unlocked my Nokia 8's bootloader using @the_laser 's method. Now I'll receive April security patch anytime. My question is, should I apply it or skipping it is the best decision? Also, can I relock my bootloader in anyway?
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Yep relock works, but your phone wipes again.
If you don't have root, I think you can update the security patch. I did it without root and open bootloader.
Nokia 8 unlocked bootloader!
You could take any ota with unlocked bootloader only if you didn't modify any system file (modified recovery or phone rooted)