Is wireless charging ruining my battery? - Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I have absolutely no proof of this. But I have to wonder. I have watched my battery life erode since I first got this phone 17 months ago. It just died at 39%. If deleting the bootloader logs indeed helps it must be done on regular basis. I bet all that heat isn't good for the battery, or the glass on the screen for that matter. I wonder why we don't see wireless charging featured in more phones?

zombolt said:
I have absolutely no proof of this. But I have to wonder. I have watched my battery life erode since I first got this phone 17 months.......
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My n6 is wirelessly charged daily for 26 months now. No issues yet.

NLBeev said:
My n6 is wirelessly charged daily for 26 months now. No issues yet.
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Yes, much the same with me. I would guess that it's just the battery's age and usage rather than the charging method.

dahawthorne said:
Yes, much the same with me. I would guess that it's just the battery's age and usage rather than the charging method.
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Every day charging with a high voltage (9-12 V of a quick charger) is not good for a battery that's made for supplying 5V.
I know that the modern devices have a protection/managing circuit.
Because there are many issues with smartphone batteries, I prefer slow charging.
And wireless charging is slow.

Have changed my battery twice in the over 2 years of ownership. Both because of battery blout. I don't wirelessly charge, but i do constantly use the fast charger and have rarely let the battery run down before charging. At £15 a pop for a battery and 15 minutes to change its some thing I'll live live with.
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How's your battery life?

My battery life is decent, but the charging time is the slowest I've ever seen on any device I've ever owned. I'm not even kidding. Surely it's just a defect on mine right?
Negative. My charge time was ridiculously slow. To the point that while I was charging in my car, if I was doing things along side it, my battery would actually go down. Plugged into wall, it is slow but charges though. Maybe its just US or a small number?
Waiting to get mine still. Did anyone else notice that on Sprint's website it said the One has a 19 hour battery life?
youkosnake said:
Negative. My charge time was ridiculously slow. To the point that while I was charging in my car, if I was doing things along side it, my battery would actually go down. Plugged into wall, it is slow but charges though. Maybe its just US or a small number?
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Well, I give this 3 days before I send it back. Literally the worst charge time I've ever seen.
Fadakar said:
Well, I give this 3 days before I send it back. Literally the worst charge time I've ever seen.
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It seemed a little better this afternoon, but I've basically had the device plugged in since this morning(10am)(got it at 55%, and albeit the majority of the time, it was plugged into the vehicle[which hasn't been very good anyways[[my GS3 also loses battery while on charge if doing anything concerning navigation or streaming]]]) and it literally hit 100% about 20 minutes ago. granted I've been using it like a pack mule. and I'm sure you have too.
youkosnake said:
It seemed a little better this afternoon, but I've basically had the device plugged in since this morning(10am)(got it at 55%, and albeit the majority of the time, it was plugged into the vehicle[which hasn't been very good anyways[[my GS3 also loses battery while on charge if doing anything concerning navigation or streaming]]]) and it literally hit 100% about 20 minutes ago. granted I've been using it like a pack mule. and I'm sure you have too.
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i heard they packed a li-polymer battery which makes the battery hold its charge longer for the life of the battery when compared to a li-ion battery.. and i dont think htc enabled fast charge like most devices...maybe someone will mod that for us...we need fast charge!!!!!!! still waiting on my ONE
youkosnake said:
It seemed a little better this afternoon, but I've basically had the device plugged in since this morning(10am)(got it at 55%, and albeit the majority of the time, it was plugged into the vehicle[which hasn't been very good anyways[[my GS3 also loses battery while on charge if doing anything concerning navigation or streaming]]]) and it literally hit 100% about 20 minutes ago. granted I've been using it like a pack mule. and I'm sure you have too.
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Actually I haven't used it at all. Got it at 2 PM, was at 60%. Dropped my mom off at the airport immediately after, came home and it was 50% at 3:20 PM (which is okay because LTE was on by default and it's super patchy here so I turned it off). Plugged it in and showered, 15 minute shower and I come out and it's 50% still (plugged directly into the wall). Went to work at 5, 55% when I got there. Plugged it in to the computer we have at the front desk and over the course of my 5 hour shift it eventually hit 95% before I had to leave at 10 PM. Un-****ing-acceptable.
yeah, I'd say mine is a little better than that. I left the screen off and didn't use it for like 2 hours and it went from 73% to 91.
I bought a 2.1 amp charger and it hoes from 0 to 100 in 4 hours
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I don't have my One yet so I can't confirm this personally, but I've read in a few different places that the charging rate is a little slow compared to other phones. My guess is that HTC is trying to maximize the lifespan of the battery since it's non-removable. Quicker charging would generate more heat and might cause it to wear it out faster.
Yes this is the case. Check anandtechs review.
Brian speculates just as you do that it is for longevity.
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So how is the battery life for everyone? Hopefully it's good since it takes time to charge
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First day I got 15 hours. That was the usual installing apps and watching YouTube videos and showing my phone off to everyone at work. Will probably be awesome once I don't have such heavy usage.
adrianr514 said:
I bought a 2.1 amp charger and it hoes from 0 to 100 in 4 hours
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If I'm not mistaken, the phone has a smart battery or a circuit inside the battery that prevents it from drawing too much current. It is pretty much a standard among smartphones these days. Therefore, even though you use the 2 amp charger, you may not charge faster at all.
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adrianr514 said:
I bought a 2.1 amp charger and it hoes from 0 to 100 in 4 hours
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I have a 2.1amp charger and it took about 4hours to fully charge from 15%.
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Horribly slow charge times on mine as well. I think the GS3s super fast charge ability spoiled me.
LPChris said:
Horribly slow charge times on mine as well. I think the GS3s super fast charge ability spoiled me.
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My Galaxy S3 definitely charges faster with a 2AMP charger than 500 mA charger.
Do not charge from a computers USB port, they are going to be slow as **** without fast charge.
Just use a 1+ amp charger. Pretty simple people.
Don't put excessive work load on the device while charging in the car either
youkosnake said:
Don't put excessive work load on the device while charging in the car either
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The way people are talking, it seems that simply having GPS and navi going are too much.
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Nbonne said:
The way people are talking, it seems that simply having GPS and navi going are too much.
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I've found thats too much for most phones. It all depends on the charger(most car adapters are crappy), I'd assume. I've had the same with Evo, Optimus, GS2, and GS3. If anything is running alongside gps/navi, it destroys the battery

Does Adaptive Fast Charging Come Pre-Enabled on the Note 4?

Was wondering, Does Adaptive Fast Charging Come Pre-Enabled on the Note 4? Or do we have to go to the Battery Settings first to enable it?
arjun90 said:
Was wondering, Does Adaptive Fast Charging Come Pre-Enabled on the Note 4? Or do we have to go to the Battery Settings first to enable it?
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When I got mine, it was enabled already.
Oh, if your fast charge your battery once, does it reduce your battery's lifespan in the long run, or does it need to be fast recharged several times for a notable difference?
devynbf said:
When I got mine, it was enabled already.
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arjun90 said:
Oh, if your fast charge your battery once, does it reduce your battery's lifespan in the long run, or does it need to be fast recharged several times for a notable difference?
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As a general rule, the faster you charge the battery, the hotter it gets. The hotter it gets, the more quickly it will degrade. I still use my S3 charger to charge the Note 4 overnight.
Does it really make a noticeable difference? From what I've read, probably not. But I don't think there's been much objective testing. Just using fast charging once is highly unlikely to affect it in noticeable ways at all.
If you've charged the battery once using the fast-charging method, is that going to impact the lifespan of the battery? Or does it take multiple fast-charges for the battery to begin to loose its charge?
Nowadays I use the regular 2amp Samsung charger that came with my Wireless Charger.
Noxious Ninja said:
As a general rule, the faster you charge the battery, the hotter it gets. The hotter it gets, the more quickly it will degrade. I still use my S3 charger to charge the Note 4 overnight.
Does it really make a noticeable difference? From what I've read, probably not. But I don't think there's been much objective testing.
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If you've charged the battery once using the fast-charging method, is that going to impact the lifespan of the battery? Or does it take multiple fast-charge for the battery to begin to loose its charge?
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I edited that in right after I posted, but I guess you beat me to it. As far as I can tell, it's a gradual process. Unless the phone seriously overheated during the one charge, it shouldn't have much effect at all.
Thanks, looks like I don't another one of the Fast Adaptive Chargers after all, haha.
Noxious Ninja said:
I edited that in right after I posted, but I guess you beat me to it. As far as I can tell, it's a gradual process. Unless the phone seriously overheated during the one charge, it shouldn't have much effect at all.
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Honestly I'm not sure if it diminishes battery.
I have to take it off because I'm using a Zerolemon battery and it doesn't charge all the way up unless the fast charging is off.
The adaptive charging is built in as long as you're using the included charger. It charges at a higher voltage so it's not as damaging as say, a 3 amp charger would be, but it takes many many fast charges to affect the battery's performance. Generally speaking though, the faster you charge the more capacity you lose over time, but the worst thing you can do is charge it &leave it plugged in for hours fully charged. I use an old Bluetooth charger that's 500mah when i charge overnight & the fast charger at work or in the living room.

slow charging battery?

[emoji298] It seems like my fire literally takes hours to charge. Haven't timed it but it prob takes like 4 hours to fully charge [emoji53] Is this abnormal at all?
How long does your Fires battery take to charge? [emoji298]
4t701 said:
[emoji298] It seems like my fire literally takes hours to charge. Haven't timed it but it prob takes like 4 hours to fully charge [emoji53] Is this abnormal at all?
How long does your Fires battery take to charge? [emoji298]
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Same, about 4 hours. It's a $35-$50 Tablet, what were you expecting?
wasn't expecting anything, just wondering if this is normal. It's my first tablet so I wasn't sure if maybe I had a defective battery or something.
4t701 said:
wasn't expecting anything, just wondering if this is normal. It's my first tablet so I wasn't sure if maybe I had a defective battery or something.
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My other car is Rol my other tablet is a Hudl2 and that's nearly as slow and has nowhere near the battery life of the Fire. I guess slow charging and a low price go hand in hand!
4 hours from completely flat sounds pretty good really. I've got a couple of tablets, amassed from over the years, and none of them charge particularly fast. Don't expect a tablet to charge as fast as the newest flagship phones. Fast recharging seems to be one area where the two are quite different. (Not to mention tablets have much larger batteries, so they are normally going to take longer.)
Question though, I noticed the charger that came with the tablet is only a 1A charger. Has anyone noticed shorter charging times with a higher rated charger (I've only charged mine once to top it off after opening it.)

Where to get replacement batteries

Oneplus 3 is an awesome phone no doubt (if you don't damage it). However with the dash charging, there's a high chance we might need replacement batteries for the phone after a year or two.
Does anyone know where we would be able to obtain dash capable batteries for replacement? It would be a great disappointment if we are not able to replace it.
*it is a concern because at least in Singapore, there is 0 support despite purchasing a local set. You will be given an email to make an appointment to bring your set down to a location, but NO ONE will respond to your email. Oneplus Singapore Facebook as well as official reseller do not provide any support either.
Why would Dash Charge wreck the battery? Afterall if anything the phone heats up less than other phones, because the charging is handled by the adapter, not the phone.
BolintsMiki said:
Why would Dash Charge wreck the battery? Afterall if anything the phone heats up less than other phones, because the charging is handled by the adapter, not the phone.
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You have a point there. However, batteries will eventually degrade, so it would be great to be able to do a replacement when the time comes
8monochrome said:
You have a point there. However, batteries will eventually degrade, so it would be great to be able to do a replacement when the time comes
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Most damage to a battery is done at night when you charge a phone when you've gone to sleep, as the charger will put it to 100% and keep it there throughout the night, which puts more strain on the battery. (just look into Sony Qnovo battery charging tech in their new phones).
The dash charger has been proven to change people's charging habits. For example I wake up at 7.30am to go to work at 9am, as soon as I wake up I put my phone on charge. Thus meaning it stays at 100% for less time, and so degrades slower.
just keep your battery b/w 40-80% and it's all good
Prince Chandela said:
just keep your battery b/w 40-80% and it's all good
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That's bull**** and bears any real usage
Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
panther124 said:
Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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Awesome! However, the battery capacity seems to be much lower than 3000mah
Stay away from buying non oem batteries. You don't want your phone to be the next Note 7 lol.
Again you wont need a new battery. It degrade really slow. The problem with fastcharging is heat. Batteries dont like heat. Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%. Again it doesnt matter what you do.. If u drain it to 0% its not fully empty so really doesnt matter!
Demian3112 said:
Again you wont need a new battery. It degrade really slow. The problem with fastcharging is heat. Batteries dont like heat. Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%. Again it doesnt matter what you do.. If u drain it to 0% its not fully empty so really doesnt matter!
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Personally I change battery ever 1.5 to 2 years. Batteries have a lifespan and degrade over time. It degrades faster with heat. It's quite disappointing that no one is sellong replacements though.
Demian3112 said:
Also charging overnight is bull**** since it stops charging when its 100%.
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Exactly. The controller stops the current flow at full charge. It will not top it up if you keep it plugged in such as in the overnight scenario.
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Here you have one: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ONEPLUS-3-TH...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONEPLUS-3...198645?hash=item4b05ffd1b5:g:V~wAAOSwZVlXqwIf
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The model number on eBay is BLP607.
You'll need BLP613 for OP3.
Maybe after a longer time there will be more replacements, if there aren't already.
If the OnePlus's battery it good I don't see a need for a replacement personality because I change phone after 2 years, when factory support ends and I'm tired of the phone.
I am pretty sure you can't wait to buy a new one before the battery degrade to an unacceptable level.
Like my OnePlus 1, which still has a quite decent battery time, though it has already become my son's toy.
So, don't worry about this too much.
Majority of the users will replace their phones instead of a degraded battery within 2 years. Unless the battery is defective then yea that would be understandable. If you are one the minority who upgrades every 3+ years then kudos to yall for having the will power to resist the upgrade fever.
is there no one who works at one plus and also uses xda?
that dude can help us in getting batteries from the supplier of one plus.
I am using my xperia ZL since 2013. i changed its battery a while ago. now i feel it is time to change my device. moving on to one plus 3 soon.
I think my OnePlus 3 battery is pretty broaken already. Last me for around 4 houers so i need to recharge it several times a day.
I cant find a original battery, so ill probably have to get a not OEM one
Hilmy said:
I think my OnePlus 3 battery is pretty broaken already. Last me for around 4 houers so i need to recharge it several times a day.
I cant find a original battery, so ill probably have to get a not OEM one
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Strange. Are you on stock ROM?
DBrandon said:
Strange. Are you on stock ROM?
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Yes I am. Android 7.1.1 and Oxygen 4.1.3
AccuBattery says my battery is 87% helathy and on 2611 mAh instead of 3000mAh, but feels like much less

Question Different charging patterns

If i use the official fast charger .....charge up to 100% the next day I barely get 16 hrs and 3 hrs screen time..wireless charge slowly and I get 30 percent more .
Anyone else see a difference??
Uk unlocked s21u for reference.
You sure there are no other factors involved?: types of apps you ran, heat, etc.
mattlcfc said:
If i use the official fast charger .....charge up to 100% the next day I barely get 16 hrs and 3 hrs screen time..wireless charge slowly and I get 30 percent more .
Anyone else see a difference??
Uk unlocked s21u for reference.
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That sounds interesting! Would love to look into this a little deeper.
Could you describe this in a little more detail please? Like when do you start charging, how long it takes with each method, what your usage pattern is like, and what you mean by 30% more (SOT, Standgy, or literal battery percentage remaining)? And any relevant screeenshots would be much appreciated.
Fast charging will not engage if the temperature is too low. It will remain disengaged for that charge cycle.
Charging is an electrochemical reaction that needs a certain temperature range to function properly.
Minimum start temp is 72°F but 82-90F is optimal.
Anything below 72F brings the risk of Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell.
Charging will also shutdown if the battery temperature goes too high.
blackhawk said:
Fast charging will not engage if the temperature is too low. It will remain disengaged for that charge cycle.
Charging is an electrochemical reaction that needs a certain temperature range to function properly.
Minimum start temp is 72°F but 82-90F is optimal.
Anything below 72F brings the risk of Li plating which will permanently degrade the cell.
Charging will also shutdown if the battery temperature goes too high.
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I don't think OP is talking about speed of charging. We're trying to discuss battery life with different speeds of charging.
enigmaamit said:
I don't think OP is talking about speed of charging. We're trying to discuss battery life with different speeds of charging.
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It should be near identical.
Android battery capacity sensing always left something to be desired.
Battery temperatures should be made the same when comparing.
Try comparing battery voltages rather than indicated %
blackhawk said:
It should be near identical.
Android battery capacity sensing always left something to be desired.
Battery temperatures should be made the same when comparing.
Try comparing battery voltages rather than indicated %
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That is why we're waiting for more information about his experience before coming to any conclusions.
enigmaamit said:
That is why we're waiting for more information about his experience before coming to any conclusions.
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Depending on how fast the battery is charging it may shutdown at a lower charge level to avoid overshooting the correct shutdown voltage.
Samsung is said to be very conservative with their charge curves... I wonder why
Samsung should be using graphene batteries by now. Instead of throwing all their resources at the Folds, which never have sold well, they neglect their bread winners. I just reamed them out over that today
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I just reamed them out over that today
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You called them and asked them to switch to Graphene batteries?
nixnixnixnix4 said:
You called them and asked them to switch to Graphene batteries?
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Said they should be using them already, among other things. Before the 10+ was released there was speculation that it might have a Graphene cell, lol.
I was barely aware of this technology until a few days ago... it be cool and it's in use.
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Said they should be using them already, among other things. Before the 10+ was released there was speculation that it might have a Graphene cell, lol.
I was barely aware of this technology until a few days ago... it be cool and it's in use.
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Other than power banks, who is using them in their phones?
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Other than power banks, who is using them in their phones?
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Xiaomi tells us about graphene batteries and the great challenge posed by the Mi 10 Ultra
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30% more seems to be a huge claim .
5%-10% could have been a margin or error.
I'll have to do some tracking and get some screen shots . I normally wireless charge overnight and it says 100 % every morning and I use 70 % battery on average . But 1 day a week I have to charge using the lead . I only have the "super fast" charger and lead and the next day the battery is always worse by quite a way . Dead by 19:00 hrs. Similar usage most days . Its as if on fast charge it says 100 % but is way down.
As said I'll do some more investigation.
mattlcfc said:
I'll have to do some tracking and get some screen shots . I normally wireless charge overnight and it says 100 % every morning and I use 70 % battery on average . But 1 day a week I have to charge using the lead . I only have the "super fast" charger and lead and the next day the battery is always worse by quite a way . Dead by 19:00 hrs. Similar usage most days . Its as if on fast charge it says 100 % but is way down.
As said I'll do some more investigation.
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You know that you can toggle OFF fast-charging and super-fast-charging in the battery settings right?
Try that.
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Xiaomi tells us about graphene batteries and the great challenge posed by the Mi 10 Ultra
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Samsung better listen then.
These batteries should last us 4 years easily. Anything less than that is a rip off.
nixnixnixnix4 said:
Samsung better listen then.
These batteries should last us 4 years easily. Anything less than that is a rip off.
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With heavy usage the Li's are good for 1-2 years. Maybe better in a temp controlled environment.
I stream a lot and that's hard on the battery which is why I now say... live and let die
It's typical for batteries to last longer the slower they're charged. If you're using fast charging when plugged in, you'll see a decrease in the amount of charge that is held throughout the day, compared to wireless charging which is quite a bit slower.
mattlcfc said:
If i use the official fast charger .....charge up to 100% the next day I barely get 16 hrs and 3 hrs screen time..wireless charge slowly and I get 30 percent more .
Anyone else see a difference??
Uk unlocked s21u for reference.
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Are you sure there aren't any other elements at play? Examples include the applications you used, the temperature, and so on.
SuperIronOut said:
It's typical for batteries to last longer the slower they're charged. If you're using fast charging when plugged in, you'll see a decrease in the amount of charge that is held throughout the day, compared to wireless charging which is quite a bit slower.
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So you're saying if one battery is slow, one is fast charged, both to 3.2 volts, the slow charged one will yield mAhs.
Unless the battery is degraded I have my doubts that it be a significant difference.

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