I'm now 3 days into having a refurbished UB2 and learning what it can and cannot do, its limits, before I rely on it.
I have a usual bike loop of about 70 miles with 6000ft of ascent and I do it in about 5hr30m typically. I thought I'd try the UB2 "standalone" off from BT, left the mobile at home, to see what happened.
The UB2 was losing 25% of its battery an hour meaning it cannot do more than 4 hours. It kept connecting / disconnecting. It had no clue about my actual calories, I was using Google Fit and it was giving the same dumb 500Cals/hour even when going up a steep hill, it seemed to only know about speed even though GPS obviously knows you are going up or down hill, so it was showing me burning calories quickly on a downhill and slowly on an uphill when the truth is the opposite. If all it is going to do use is elapsed time, I can do that math easily.
As I had no mobile with me, the problem was the UB2 was my emergency phone so I took it off my wrist, when I got to 44% of power left at around 2 hours in to ensure it was not flat, connected it to power (I have a USB power socket on my bike via front dynohub) to top it up, and then Google Fit determined the act of connecting to power must equal I was no longer biking when not true so it stopped the timer.
I have previously tried Google Fit on a mobile and it drained the mobile battery pretty fast too.
The heartrate was unreliable, I was getting between 56 and 133. It seems reliable when stationary but not when moving, so meaning its not going to accurately tell you much of value.
The GPS got stuck and it stopped recording distance. I was not sure if this was me trying LG's fitness app (which I cannot uninstall) vs Google Fit, I was wondering these competed for GPS and the watch got confused?
The radio frequencies, across 2g 3g 4g were in general worse coverage than a mobile, I was getting no signal on UB2 in places I'd get a signal with a mobile.
Probably this is a better device for walker/runners who go out for less time, more in urban situations near stronger radio signals.
I have now flashed to AW2 and will try it again, see if its less dumb than AW1.5. I think I'm going to totally give up Google Fit, its laughably less than useless given its wildly wrong and a battery drain, and just go away from mobile and see how long it lasts.
I'm not sure what is the point of LTE and a stiff band for antennae, if it holds a weak signal, nor of it being a fitness device if using it more than a 4 hours makes it go flat, nor what is the point of the heartrate monitor which is so wildly inaccurate.
Still, could have been worse, I could have paid double with the LG Sport. :laugh:
I'm not a cyclist but I've been recording my runs since the original release of the watch in November 2015. It doesn't compare to fitness focused devices like Garmin for battery life, HRM, etc., but with some trial and error I've setup mine to be perfect for my needs. I use ghostracer to record activities. It is very customisable and has many metrics to choose from. The developer is a cyclist as are many that use it, and responds quickly to questions/issues over in Google+.
I've noticed with mine the GPS is spotty if the watch contacts sweat/moisture, similar to the same issue with the SW3. I started wearing a 2" wristband under the watch for runs about a year ago and the GPS has been nearly perfect since then, in rain/snow/heat. The built in HRM isn't the best during activities but ghostracer also allows you to connect a BT chest strap for much more accuracy, since I'm wearing a wristband this is handy if I choose to use one. I also use Wear GPS (same developer) to get a lock before I switch over to ghostracer and I'm always paired through LTE to my phone that I leave in the car. I think this improves GPS as well with assisted data from the phone. I don't think they meant for the battery to last like other trackers, but I can get a few hours or more out of it and for my running that's plenty. If I ever run another marathon, I may have to find an alternative, but a half should be no problem. I've had pretty good cell signal and that probably helps but I'm sure it doesn't receive as well as a phone. For me the watch was a big improvement. Streaming bluetooth music from audio on the watch while tracking GPS and having a phone available has been great. It's nice leaving the phone behind. I just forward calls to the watch during runs.
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I'll look up ghostracer, thanks.
Today I was all alone with no mobile and just the UB2 running AW2 developer preview.
The battery life was about the same problem, and often, more often than with a mobile, I lost cellular connectivity. Now on reading up on AW2 that loss of connectivity may be deliberate as it turns LTE on/off as an app needs it, i.e. if the app collects data every 5 mins but waits til say 30 mins to upload, then that would mean one brief LTE enablement per 30 mins, so the fewer apps running wanting to talk to the mobile/cloud the better. I still however got about 25% battery loss per hour so in effect a 4 hour maximum usage. That is fine for runner and the shorter bike rides. I'm not clear if the cloud with an arrow through it on the display = "I can connect but I'm choosing not to" or "I can't connect".
I used Strava, and it was losing GPS and saying "paused" even when I was moving, but on getting home and looking at the ride, it seem to have fairly accurately guessed I must have been moving between getting GPS signals and estimated what I'd done in between, fairly accurately.
So you reckon a damp wrist worsens GPS? Surely your wrist is down and GPS is up so they should not interfere? It would interfere with pulse checking?
To turn 4 hours battery life into 5-6 hours of my actual ride, on long downhills I took the watch off and connected to power, I could see the green flashing of the heartrate monitor flashing, and due the weak magnetic connection to the USB cable, I was forced to ride one-handed to pinch the UB2 to its cable, but doing that I managed to top-up battery and got home without a flat battery. The Strava ride shows the periods of no pulse but otherwise looks reasonably accurate of route, moving times, mileage.
So now I know its standalone battery limits of about 4 hours, I will try it next with it BT connected to a mobile in a pocket, as then it only has to do BT not LTE, and possibly it doesn't have to do GPS as the phone does, see if that helps. I keep the mobile connected to power so its reasonably able to withstand its tasks, and hopefully the asks of the UB2 are reduced to last longer.
FYI today I had the UB2 on AW1.5 current stock and had cellular off, and it was BT tethered to my phone. I told the UB2 I was about to road cycle. It went into battery saving after about 5 hours and stopped doing anything fitness related. It did say it was using the phone for GPS and obviously it was only doing BT, not Wifi or LTE.
On Google Fit it got the time about right but the distance completely wrong. Calories quite a bit wrong too.
Basically, its rubbish as a cycling fitness device whether its standalone or tethered.
Not to come off improperly, but your review doesn't mean a whole lot since you're not using a proper app. The guy above mentioned ghost racer yet you go back out and use Google fit again and expect different results. It's like eating soup with a fork. GR is a great app. Install it, use it, then post a review.
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I am looking for some feedback on the GPS built into the new AT&T Tilt.
What is the accuracy of the GPS?
What is the sensitivity of the radio? (does it loose signal when you get in your car? in heavily wooded areas?)
How long does it take to obtain GPS Satellite Signal? (15 seconds? 30 seconds? 2 minutes?)
How much battery does it suck down?
Can it work with multiple programs at the same time? (Windows Live and another program at the same time?)
Can't really comment on accuracy, but it has me plotted on the correct roads on Google Maps and MS Live Search.
GPS reception is fine in the car, although initial satellite lockings seems faster when I put the phone on the dash. After that, I can pretty much put the phone anywhere near the drivers seat.
Takes a minute to a couple minutes for me to get a fix.
Its sucks batteries fast. Slightly faster then the trickle charger is charging the phone. So on a long drive, I imagine you will kill the battery on the Tilt using the GPS.
Don't know about the last question.
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I am looking for some feedback on the GPS built into the new AT&T Tilt.
What is the accuracy of the GPS? :iterally its pinpointed me w/in 5 ft
What is the sensitivity of the radio? (does it loose signal when you get in your car? in heavily wooded areas?) In the car its fine, dont have woods here in miami, but in the everglades it works just fine.
How long does it take to obtain GPS Satellite Signal? (15 seconds? 30 seconds? 2 minutes?) approx 10-15 s
How much battery does it suck down? Dont know, I dont have it on for a long time
Can it work with multiple programs at the same time? (Windows Live and another program at the same time?)
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Havent tried that yet, meaning using google maps & windows live?
I've only had it working for a short time, but based on what i've read its fairly accurate (someone got it within 15', mine was within 30' but that was google maps and i dont think it does off-road)
I established the connection on my porch (so i could use my wifi) and it followed me inside the house. 9 satellites outside, 6 in my chair. its a small house, but still nearly completely obstructed due to rain clouds and being indoors
If you use a program like GPSTest or GPSViewer to establish the connection first, they go very quickly. otherwise it may run into some problems connecting due to the timeout settings.
battery power no idea...
As mentioned earlier, i try a light weight program to establish the initial connection and the actual program to use it. from what i've seen you can see two but not sure how well it'll work n the end.
hey i got my tilt, I really don't know how things works, I mean I installed live search on it, but you know I can't get the current GPS postion, how does this thing work? anyone? can you guys tell us the steps for those of who are new to this whole GPS thing, thanks
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Its sucks batteries fast. Slightly faster then the trickle charger is charging the phone. So on a long drive, I imagine you will kill the battery on the Tilt using the GPS.
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I noticed this too.
Is there a way to fix this?
It is very annoying.
With a car charger I should be able to at least keep the battery at the same level.
(PS: I am using a car-to-USB adapter and the USB/Sync cable that came with the tilt)
Back when I was using the att flash, I'd need to use a program to jumpstart gps. It'd take about 2 minutes. Afterwards, I could use google maps without issue. But if I drove around, I'd constantly be losing the gps and need to hit retry.
Then I flashed to htc. Google maps always picked up the lock in about 10 seconds. I'd still lose it if I drove around.
But then a few days ago, google maps stopped picking up gps. Even using other programs, I'd run it for over 10 minutes without getting a lock. Haven't gotten gps working at all in the past few days. Not sure what's going on. Hopefulyl a future firmware will fix this. Not going to bother with it for the time being. Being able to use google maps is really enough. gps is pretty silly to me.
Braingears said:
I am looking for some feedback on the GPS built into the new AT&T Tilt.
What is the accuracy of the GPS?
What is the sensitivity of the radio? (does it loose signal when you get in your car? in heavily wooded areas?)
How long does it take to obtain GPS Satellite Signal? (15 seconds? 30 seconds? 2 minutes?)
How much battery does it suck down?
Can it work with multiple programs at the same time? (Windows Live and another program at the same time?)
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Accuracy -- I can't speak as to "within x meters", but I can tell you that when using it with mapping software, the location fix is right on the money as to where it shows me being in the car.
Length of time to obtain a signal -- after the initial "fix", I can open my mapping software and in the length of time it takes to select my destination, it has already paired with the GPS chip.
Battery Life -- I keep my Tilt on the car charger when using GPS -- at least, I did until a few days ago. I forgot to plug it in to the cigarette lighter and the battery was dead running the GPS constantly in 5 hours.
Multiple apps at once -- Can't comment on that one.
When I use telenav , most of the time it is accurate close to about 15 feet.
I've had an experience the explains why the Kaiser goes through batteries like it's the grand prix. It may be tied to the reason Apple started the I-Phone as 2G.
I own the kaiser, the Nokia e90 and N7710. On a full charge and normal use (for me that's about 50 calls a day in/out, 20 mins of games, 30 mins of reading rss and other information and 30 misc. minutes of backlight on with limited GPS use and very limited wifi. The Nokia e90 lasts 2/3 days, the N7710 2 days and the Kaiser is at 10/20% in 8 hours. But here I am in small Liberia on business, no 3G and yes there is GPS for those that attribute power consumption to GPS and the result is, unplug at 8am by 5pm I am at 90% power (yes my calls are less etc.) but this is amazing. (Worse - I wasted $42 from ATT on a standby battery prior to departure.
My conclusion, 3G is the battery killer...... I'll like to hear from those in none 3G markets about their consumption because I suspect they were the ones who kept taking about being at 80% and made me feel they were on another planet........
I wonder what Apple users willl say when I-Phones start lasting 4 hours
you have a good battery. My battery is retarded, gotta charge it every single day . After about 1hr and 45 mins of talk time , some lil screwing around with music and software . I am here , at 50% .
WiFi
I believe the 3G might be a battery killer, so does the WiFi. If I turn on my Wifi, my kaiser can last for 3-4 hours only.
makes sense, it's why Apple kept 3G out of the original iPhone. It is a battery sucker for some reason, perhaps poorly designed chip or software, who knows. Although maybe Apple will push some manufacturer to make a decent 3G chip that doesn't kill batteries.
iphone battery sucks big time , even without 3g . My bro got an iphone, he cried all day about his battery. yep, 3g kill the thing. Why get an expensive unlimited data plan when your battery aint last long enough to enjoy it fully.
I'm using T-mobile USA and there is no 3G here.
Just using GPS with Live Search, e-mail checking every 15min. Maybe 15min of web surfing on an Edge network, and otherwise normal use. If I take it off the charger around 10am - it's at around 20% battery life by 2am.
So I get about 16-20 hours out of a full charge with normal use. No 3G.
I thought 3g being a battery killer was pretty obvious.
I can get 2 days out of my phone, in 3g, but I set it to auto-activesync every 30 minutes and maybe an hour or 2 of talk time in that period.
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iphone battery sucks big time , even without 3g . My bro got an iphone, he cried all day about his battery. yep, 3g kill the thing. Why get an expensive unlimited data plan when your battery aint last long enough to enjoy it fully.
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For starters, the iPhone isn't 3G.
Second, tell him to return it since it sounds defective. I own an iPhone that I use daily when I don't want the bulky Tilt on my hip, and I listen to a live stream for about 8 hours and have plenty of battery life left. The battery life can't even be compared to a Tilt. It's superb. Try listening to an RSS feed on the Tilt for more than an hour. You're phone will almost be dead.
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For starters, the iPhone isn't 3G.
Second, tell him to return it since it sounds defective. I own an iPhone that I use daily when I don't want the bulky Tilt on my hip, and I listen to a live stream for about 8 hours and have plenty of battery life left. The battery life can't even be compared to a Tilt. It's superb. Try listening to an RSS feed on the Tilt for more than an hour. You're phone will almost be dead.
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before you get on iphone fanboi ego please readd
nobody say that iphone had 3g, it will.
battery of the tilt is on bad side, but iphone battery is nowhere near superb.(except yours, of course )
its not just my bro some peeps i know say the same thing. yea, should tell em to return.
no hate for iphone here cuz i dont own it, but hey I proudly carry my rss-radio-die-fast tilt all day every day. tell ya what my bulky tilt can use for self defense.
btw my bro planning to sell it soon for the upcoming 3g version.
Well....Its rightly Said 3G gulps d battery ...I m in a NON 3g country right nw (at least for d time being ...they r goin to launch it...and dat will be d real test f d battery)
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So does the WIFI ... dats smthing people r nt pointing at...dats also is a battery Guzzller....it eats up mine at d rate f about 20 for 1 hr continuous use on an avg.
On an avg using NON-3g mode, 0.5 hrs Wifi, 2 Hrs Egde, 10 calls, 30 sms
my battery give me about approx 1 dat time...may be bit more.
BUT i think, Seriously using people should go for A HIGh amp battery ....dats GR8 instead f carrying small standby ones.... which will also save d cost!
Regards
Thanks for the reminder, I have known about the 3G battery issues and been meaning to look into how to switch between EDGE and UTMS, looks like this thread outlines it pretty well. Looks like perhaps a few solutions in it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286844&highlight=bandswitch
ok what the hell are u guys doing to get such ****ty battery?
here is my setup..
first start with a good CLEAN rom..
dk's 3.14 w/out voice command.
backlight set to 30%
backlight timeout set to 10secs
keyboard timeout set to 15sec
force edge
direct push activated "as items arrived"
wktask to make sure most apps get closed out.
device sleepmode 1minute
kaiser tweak options.
allow fastsleep during call = yes
all power saving features minus the memory card one, my ringers are stored on memory card..
wm6 dialer..no video. (from my experience the video dialers..aka touch dialers seem to drain battery quicker..call me crazy but i think they do.)
......hmmm cant think of nething else at the moment.. with these settings my battery lasts a good 2-2.5 days
avg 150txts/day
avg 80emails/day
avg 20mins web/day
avg 90mins calls/day
avg 15mins 3g OR wifi/day (mostly for coreplayer's youtube)
now my treo750v will be here tuesday so ima see how these settings compare while running the treo.. getting lil bored of my tilt.
i dont know about u guys but i get a good 2 days with always on bluetooth standard 3g 4 hours of wifi and 115 calls average i also run a 8gb card... make sure your batteries are holding full charges
I get decent battery life out of my Tilt. On T-mobile with no 3G here. I don't do a whole lot of talk time on my phone, so that is a definite factor. Push email running from 8am to 3:30 pm daily. Quite a bit of data usage in general. Don't really use bluetooth or wifi all that much though. At the end of the day I can still have about 85% battery left.
Now if I don't go into airplane mode before I get into the workplace, it can be a different story altogether. I get no signal where I work so it's always searching - which will absolutely destroy my battery.
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iphone battery sucks big time , even without 3g . My bro got an iphone, he cried all day about his battery. yep, 3g kill the thing. Why get an expensive unlimited data plan when your battery aint last long enough to enjoy it fully.
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Here's an idea. Choose which statement you want to make instead of contradicting yourself. That's for my 3G statement.
As far as the rest of your sarcastic follow-up, I own and mod both the iPhone and Tilt. Whether my opinion on which is better means anything to you or another reader, I actually have a "hands-on" experience using both daily. The iPhone is superior in OS, battery life, design, and over-all "phone" use. Get your facts straight about the data plan too. When I purchased the Tilt after having the iPhone on my account first, they switched my 'plan' to a Tilt oriented Unlimited Data (why would you even own a Tilt with anything less) plan, so all that changed was Visual Voice Mail (whuppittydoo), not the $$. If your friends are as educated on the iPhone as yourself I'll take thier opinions on the device and file them under "Former Sidekick Owners" also, and while you're trying to beat off an attacker to "defend" yourself with that dead-battery-brick, maybe I'll stop my 10th hour of podcast listening to see if ya want me to call 911 on my iPhone. lol.
I don't have 3G. I am with the Tmobile USA network and don't use any data unless it is wifi. Is the 3G part of my radio off unless I turn it on, or is it constantly searching for a 3G network? Well disregarding that, I am on my 3rd day with light usage and am at 43% and screen brightness on max brightness.
But i use Edge, i always use Edge, and my battery still gets eaten up.
when i have 3g on my batt dies like crazzi fast. i dont think i can get more than 6 hours out of it. but when i am on edge then the batt would probably go for more then 15 hours on average.
I generally do not turn off my phone at all. It is always running Direct push. Bluetooth is always on. The backlight is set to approximately 50%. The device is set to go to standby after 1 minute. The beam reception is turned off (not sure of the effect since there is no IR. I do not use 3G at all.
I use the phone heavily from around 8am until 10pm and often later. This includes around 2hrs of calls nowdays, 30-60 texts in and out, maybe 40 emails, and an hour of browsing the internet spread throughout the day. I might spend about 30 minutes with calendar adjustments, contact additions, and checking tasks over the course of the day.
The phone will still have 50-60% of the battery remaining at the end of the day. If I use GPS for a little while I can expect to need to charge at the end of the day.
Tilt Battery.
As a Network Engineer I am using my phone constantly. Sometimes you wish people didn't know that you had the ability to always check your email
I unplug mine at 7:30am. I read and reply to 80+ emails, talk for 2-3hours (while typing on laptop), use Opera Mini for 15-30mins, use blutooth for file transfers, use Wifi to test the wireless network, run WIFIFOFUM, and other phone general things. I will be at 15% charge by the time I get home at 6:30. Sometimes I'm lucky enough to to use my USB cable to charge it and I'll be fine all night.
I knew the Tilt have fair to below average battery life before I bought it. It's like buying a Vette or any other V8 car and expecting awesome gas mileage, it's not going to happen.
The Iphones do have a fairly good battery usage time. Just like their Ipods can last forever. They have had lots of R&D time to make it all work.
Some people say I should have bought an Iphone, but I am very happy with my little black brick. It feels sturdy and fits well in my massive bear hands (6'6tall)
Before anyone accuse me of it, I did, in fact, look through the other battery threads on this forum (and other forums, for that matter), and I've already applied numerous tricks. I managed to get my phone to last roughly 9 hours from my typical usage, which now makes it comparable to other phones I've used in the past.
However, in about a day or two, I'm going to be getting a bluetooth headset...which basically means that I'm going to need to keep the Captivate's bluetooth on 24/7 (or, at least, most of the day). I really don't know how much battery this is going to cost me on the Captivate, so I'm trying my best to make things better now to make things smooth in the future. However, I appear to be at the end of my rope.
I have pretty much gimped the Captivate as much as one could reasonably take (more, I'd dare argue). I cut all of my volume down to half of what it was and I removed most of the quick icons. I also set a completely black wallpaper, I turned off all animation, and I turned the brightness down to its lowest setting.
I honestly don't know how to make it any worse. The SAMOLED screen is basically a meaningless PR term to me now and I'm actually missing phone calls from sheer lacking of hearing my phone ring...despite it being right in my pocket.
Going even further, I also attempted to switch to ADW.Launcher based upon recommendations by others that it increases battery life (I found that it had little to no effect). I also attempted to severely underclock my CPU (down to 200Mhz) based, again, upon other claims that it increases their battery life all the way to as high as 30+ hours on a single full charge.
Somehow, underclocking my CPU actually made the battery die out faster.
Furthermore, I attempted to use programs (SMODA, 2G/3G) which claim they allow me to switch to EDGE because, for some God-forsaken reason, Android doesn’t seem to have any toggle for doing it. Unfortunately, none of them seem to work; rather than switching to 2G, they all just completely disabled data, which, unfortunately, is completely unacceptable to me. So at this point, I only seem to have a few more extreme (from my perspective) options. Once I actually get the bluetooth, I plan to turn off most of the auto-updating apps (email, weather, twitter, etc), and just update them myself periodically. Furthermore, I plan to turn off the GPS location feature once I get my GPS unit.
Beyond the above, though, as I said, I'm at the end of my rope. Once I employ the other tricks, I figure I might be able to stretch battery life to 9.5-10 hours, but I would like to go even further. If anyone could offer me some help, I would highly appreciate it.
if your gonna have a bluetooth headset on disable your ringtone completly that would be meaning less. if your near wi-fi a lot have it connect only though that.
also you can clock the cpu down to 100Mhz along with the GPU.
AND to force 2G/edge read my howto in general
oh the ext2 lagfix can also save you some battery life
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if your gonna have a bluetooth headset on disable your ringtone completly that would be meaning less. if your near wi-fi a lot have it connect only though that.
also you can clock the cpu down to 100Mhz along with the GPU.
AND to force 2G/edge read my howto in general
oh the ext2 lagfix can also save you some battery life
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I'm already doing the first sans disabling ringtone. I'm not so sure doing such a thing would be acceptable to me.
As for the underlocking suggestion, as I said, I underclocked the CPU all the way down to 200Mhz and the battery actually drained even faster. I doubt underclocking even further is going to help. Furthermore, I actually did try 100Mhz originally, but the performance was so horrendous that it was unbearable.
As for the lag fix, I already have it. Lastly, I knew about that 4636 technique to switch to 2G already, but, unfortunately, it doesn't appear to work for me. The setting doesn't save and 3G still remains.
EDIT: I actually found a way to make the above work. Simply dial *#*#197328640#*#*, then go Debug Screen > Phone Control > UE State Control > Change RAT to GSM. This will actually force your phone to use GSM only. This seems like the answer to all of my battery problems....except it doesn't work. Once you make the change, the INFO menu reports that it has been changed to 'GSM Only', but data appears to have been disabled. Restarting your phone makes data works again, but the INFO menu reported that data has been reset back to 'GSM/CDMA auto'. Yay.
If you haven't already, turn off GPS when you aren't using it. Use the Power Control widget to help. Make sure all of the things in the power control widget are off unless you are using it. And use advanced task killer if you haven't already.
i say screw underclocking let run at whatever i dont think it makes a difference.
forget advanced task killer, i like auto killer.
leave gps off unless needed, and backround data
switch to 2g when you can.
no live walls of course use dark or black, no updating widgets
i dumped stuff like juice defender, cause with backround data off i dont think it does anything.
flight mode it at night (when sleeping) if not charging
ive been running jh3 (now jh7) with sre. get to work (i run 2g at work)at 9am listen to pandora all day through bluetooth (which is on for 6-8hrs) and wifi (6-8hrs) good amount off browsing bout 30 min of voice calls, some texts email checking, more browsing, some games. on average lately after being unplugged for 13-17 hrs at the end of the day with 20-30% life left,using bout 3hrs of display, 30 min voice calls, bluetooth doesnt use crap bout 3%, media server usually 15%, cell satndby i wanna say 10%, im pretty happy i guess, even though im always lookin for better results, tryin the new sre with undervolting, heard some good things.
still when that seidio 3200 mah battery comes out im gettin it, dont care how fat it makes the phone, things to dang thin as it is, and without some sort of cover its like a wet bar of soap!!
What is your typical daily usage? I have fairly light usage (few games here and there a little music and a good amount of web surfing, app browsing and texting with a few phone calls using speaker phone) and I'm at 28 hours of use with 55% battery.
I have just the typical power saving tricks(gps off, bluetooth off, screen at minimum or 30% and my data doesn't sync automatically), no under clocking or anything. I should point out I'm running a euro galaxy rom and am not ever on a wifi connection.
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What is your typical daily usage? I have fairly light usage (few games here and there a little music and a good amount of web surfing, app browsing and texting with a few phone calls using speaker phone) and I'm at 28 hours of use with 55% battery.
I have just the typical power saving tricks(gps off, bluetooth off, screen at minimum or 30% and my data doesn't sync automatically), no under clocking or anything. I should point out I'm running a euro galaxy rom and am not ever on a wifi connection.
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Wow you are lucky. Yesterday I got 2 phone calls for a total of 3 minutes. I sent 7 text messages. I surfed the web maybe for 15 minutes. No games. Nothing else major. GPS off. Bluetooth off. Wifi on. Screen at 22%. Only background data I have is email which checks once every hour and a weather widget that refreshes every 6 hours. I got barely 12 hours in before my battery died.
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If you haven't already, turn off GPS when you aren't using it. Use the Power Control widget to help. Make sure all of the things in the power control widget are off unless you are using it. And use advanced task killer if you haven't already.
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Yes, I'm keeping GPS off, and I'm using ATK already.
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What is your typical daily usage? I have fairly light usage (few games here and there a little music and a good amount of web surfing, app browsing and texting with a few phone calls using speaker phone) and I'm at 28 hours of use with 55% battery.
I have just the typical power saving tricks(gps off, bluetooth off, screen at minimum or 30% and my data doesn't sync automatically), no under clocking or anything. I should point out I'm running a euro galaxy rom and am not ever on a wifi connection.
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Typical usage for me runs along this line: A lot of web browsing, perhaps 30-45 minutes of music, and plenty of IM. I also use Aldiko to read now and then. Calls do factor into this, but typically only two or three 10-15 minute phone calls.
Truthfully, I simply don't see how it is possible for you to use the phone for 28 hours straight and still have 55% battery. I could lose 30% battery just by leaving my Captivate on stand-by for 30 hours.
I certainly understand the interest in having the best battery life possible.
Are you in a work environment where you cannot plug it to a computer for part of the day?
Fortunately, I am. And I always have it plugged in in the car.
I don't want to have a powerful phone with all the features turned off in order to keep it going.
I dont see how you can get 28hrs @ 55% either, with the kind of usage he was claiming, i wouldnt exactly call that light usage
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I certainly understand the interest in having the best battery life possible.
Are you in a work environment where you cannot plug it to a computer for part of the day?
Fortunately, I am. And I always have it plugged in in the car.
I don't what to have a powerful phone with all the features turned off in order to keep it going.
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Well, I do have a work environment where I can keep my Captivate plugged in, but only half of the time. Other times, I need to move. Aside from that, it kind of annoys me to use a phone attached to a wall socket. I prefer to keep my smartphones plugged in only long enough for them to fully charge (or at least charge to 80+%), then unplug them for usage. This is kind of tough for the Captivate considering it takes 3-4 hours to fully charge.
I also fully agree with you on the last point, which is what makes all of this so frustrating.
*Sigh* It's really too bad the Captivate is my first Android phone; it's been kind of a negative experience for me so far. Ironically enough, the one issue that hasn't been a problem for me is the one issue most seem to be having -- GPS performance.
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I dont see how you can get 28hrs @ 55% either, with the kind of usage he was claiming, i wouldnt exactly call that light usage
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I am in class for most of the day so the phone is idle most of the time but i only play about 10 minutes of music with about an hour or 2 combined web surfing and games but my phone is still chugging at 39 percent battery life at 38 hours of usage. I guess that qualifies as light usage then.
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also, you have let the battery die out completely and recharge completely with the phone powered off correct?
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I am in class for most of the day so the phone is idle most of the time but i only play about 10 minutes of music with about an hour or 2 combined web surfing and games but my phone is still chugging at 39 percent battery life at 38 hours of usage. I guess that qualifies as light usage then.
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also, you have let the battery die out completely and recharge completely with the phone powered off correct?
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I'm honestly shocked at your usage. Am I reading right that in the 38 hours since you last charged it, you only used it for 10 minutes of music and a combined 1-2 hours of web surfing/games? I wouldn't call that light usage. I would call that hardly any usage.
Under such conditions, I can see why your battery life lasts so long.
I don't see why you can't get a days worth of usage out of your phone. Cell phone calls use the most battery - that is why the phone is rated at about 5 hours of talk time. This would be in the best signal area. If you are in a lower signal environment (especially in a heavy building all day) you will see faster battery drain.
I am not sure why you are bothering with BT if you are only talking on 2 or 3 calls - but if you take 3 15 minute calls that is at least 15% of your battery - the only way to change this is force the phone to Edge.
I would not lower ringtone volume - that is not a big battery saver in the grand scheme of things and you are missing calls - not a good trade off. If you are doing a lot of web surfing, go WiFi instead and you will see big battery imrovements. 3G voice and data suck battery - it doesn't matter if you have android or iPhone.
If you put your phone in Airplane mode you can go for 5 days between charges with minimum use.
The radio does kill the battery, I don't think the battery usage screen really depicts this. Since I've gotten my captivate my old BB Bold (at the time would only last 3 hours due to its degraded battery) lasts days on end with its radio disabled while sitting in my desk. I'd love to see native 3G toggle or at least a captivate catered app, I'd even pay for the latter
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I don't see why you can't get a days worth of usage out of your phone. Cell phone calls use the most battery - that is why the phone is rated at about 5 hours of talk time. This would be in the best signal area. If you are in a lower signal environment (especially in a heavy building all day) you will see faster battery drain.
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Well, that rating is probably the battery life if your decide to talk on your phone for five hours straight. I really, really doubt it takes into consideration the in-between times (games, apps, and, of course, web surfing). Phone calls undoubtedly takes the most amount of battery, but Internet usage is probably second place and, as said, I use that fairly often.
Lastly, I'm not planning to use my bluetooth exclusively for phone calls. I'm going to use it for calls, listen to music on the Captivate, chat on my PC, and so on. It's multi-usage.
Next, you're missing a lot of the things I said. As I said, I already tried numerous methods to force the phone into 2G; not one of them works (they either don't work at all or actually completely disable my data). I'm already using wifi as opposed to 3G as much as possible.
Lastly, I'm sorry, but using airplane mode to save battery is not acceptable. If I'm even willing to consider this, then I might as well just turn off the Captivate to save battery.
I just read something about an external sd card being another battery drain.
Took mine out and we will see. I was already getting through the day with about 20%left.
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Well, that rating is probably the battery life if your decide to talk on your phone for five hours straight. I really, really doubt it takes into consideration the in-between times (games, apps, and, of course, web surfing). Phone calls undoubtedly takes the most amount of battery, but Internet usage is probably second place and, as said, I use that fairly often.
Lastly, I'm not planning to use my bluetooth exclusively for phone calls. I'm going to use it for calls, listen to music on the Captivate, chat on my PC, and so on. It's multi-usage.
Next, you're missing a lot of the things I said. As I said, I already tried numerous methods to force the phone into 2G; not one of them works (they either don't work at all or actually completely disable my data). I'm already using wifi as opposed to 3G as much as possible.
Lastly, I'm sorry, but using airplane mode to save battery is not acceptable. If I'm even willing to consider this, then I might as well just turn off the Captivate to save battery.
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I didn't meant to suggest that airplane mode was an alternative, just to point out that the cell radio for Voice and Data is your biggest drain.
If you are going to use the phone for almost an hour of talk time, heavy web surfing and BT connections for tethering then your battery life will be limited. If you are using BT to chat on your pc - then maybe tethering with USB would be better - you could charge at the same time.
Your other option is to get a spare battery.
And I did read what you had to say, I just didn't realize how much you were expecting your phone to do. The only numbers your provider were around talk time.
I use my phone a lot and I charge it every 24 hours - I am more then satisfied - but I know that if a spend an hour or more talking on it and bunch of web surfing that I will have to think about charging it as my usage increases.
There is a way to force the phone into 2G. It isn't very user friendly. I have tested this and it works great.
Enter the Phone app.
Dial *#*#197328640#*#*
Select [1] DEBUG SCREEN
Select [8] PHONE CONTROL
Select [4] UE STATE CONTROL
If you want 2G, select:
[3] CHANGE RAT TO GSM
If you want 3G, select:
[2] CHANGE RAT TO WCDMA
So, I took my Nexus One for a spin using Google Turn-By-Turn navigation and it was like a 25 minute drive and when I got home, the phone was really hot, to the point where i was afraid this thing may be close to being fried on the inside. The touch screen wasn't working properly (not responding to touch and being very inaccurate than normal). I left it on the desk and after 5 minutes it cooled down again and was fine.
What the heck is wrong? is it cause I kept it on the dash board against the dials, that area was kind of warm but nothing to heat up the phone that much, should I be using a cradle or something?
Its a fully stock Nexus with 2.2.1 FRG83D, not rooted and no other apps running. Same thing happened with the free program MapDroyd, so it isn't Google Navigation only issue either.
I don't use GPS much, but when I first got it, I did and it was fine. After about 9 months though its started getting pretty warm, within minutes of using 3g, roughly 38degrees celcius (about 100 fahrenheit), but apparently it's been tested and works fine up to 57 celcius (134 fahrenheit) or something like that.
it's not the gps .. it's the turn by turn navi.. it uses massive amounts of CPU that is what heats up
It is a number of factors, including the previously stated turn by turn navi. You also have the screen on permanently, plus at least where i live, anything in a car not in an air conditioning stream is going to heat up a lot.
I suggest getting a setcpu widget or some other temperature monitoring widget. I also set my cpu to underclock when it gets above 48 degrees C.
Heavy CPU usage, GPS probably generates some amount of heat, but mainly it also adds to the battery draw which adds heat. Screen is on, and you're possibly also downloading quite a lot of data unless your maps are entirely offline.
Also, your phone might be sitting in the sunlight, or in the winter might have the vents blowing over it.
So just the GPS? Not really. Run GPSTest sitting on your desk. You'll see significant battery usage (probably adds 120mAh to what it'd normally use) but it won't get hot.
Yeah, turn by turn navigation does seem to heat it up a lot, even when caching the map offline entirely on a Wifi network beforehand. My phone isn't rooted, but maybe I'll root it and use setCPU thanks.
Will actually heat up more if plugged in. Although mine never gets past 115 or so and this is with GPS and music playing.
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Granted, I'm only on day 4.. but still..
I've tried disabling LTE, simple watch-face, etc.. but can't get it to live for more then 12 hours without needing a recharge..
Do those of you reaching more then 12 hours use an always on screen? Gestures?
I did do a test overnight and it only dropped 20% (7 hours) - but my typical drop rate is much higher then that with casual use..
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ps - I'm on-track for 12 hours again today, and that's with only having received ~3-4 email notifications which I just quickly dismissed in the past two hours so far..
For those that might be interested in this subject, I also posted it on reddit which seems to be getting much more traffic..
https://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidWea...ort_watch_how_are_you_guys_getting_more_then/
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I just put mine on charge after 48 hrs with 3% left that is with screen always on off and only turning WiFi on when needed.I'm using mine tethered to my g6 without lte.
Firstly in my case I don't use LTE.
I've found having WiFi and gps switch on has made very little difference to battery life, as it's tethered anyway for this information.
I think the battery life has got better after a couple of weeks usage, and typically a full day has plenty left, nearly 50% on occasions.
Yesterday was a long day, and it managed 20 hours straight through
I usually get around 24 hours. But barely 24 hours (if I do anything except let my watch run idle on my wrist whole day, I don't hit the mark).
Screen always ON
NO SIM (doesn't even work in europe)
Always tethered to the phone
Tilt OFF
Gestures OFF
Location MIXED (decided to experiment a bit, seen no discernible difference in battery drain whether it was ON or OFF)
Watchface: Portions with 4 complications
First couple of hours is sleep tracking with screen turned off (but constant HRM sensor activity), which consumes slightly less than regular operation.
Today I turned always screen off and holy **** what a difference. After 12 hours I'm still at 80%. So the clear culprit of this is the screen. I think I will try to get used to this, it was wasting energy 99% of the time before anyway (I'm not looking it at it all the time).
I end up getting through the day at about 30 to 50% with everything on except for LTE which I toggle on and off during the rare occasions I need it. I usually use brightness 6 during the evening and 8 during the day, I find the auto-brightness too dim on every occasion. On the other hand I've had a few random days where it rapidly used it's battery and I was down to power saving in the afternoon. Havne't figured out what is happening when it occurs but when it happens my phone also rapidly drains. Other than that I wish I could increase the screen on time, it sometimes dims before I've done what I want to do and I feel like I have enough spare bat to burn a little more keeping it on longer.
My Answer, you don't. I leave everything on and charge it, like 3 times a day. I'm lucky because I have two others to swap to during charge, but I even bought a second charger for work when I do not have those available.
I simply do not want to reduce any features of the watch, so I charge it often. That's just what it is if you ask me, you're not going to miraculously get this thing working for 2 days, simple as that. So use it big, and charge it often!
$13.99 the name is: LG Watch Sport Charger, Kissmart Replacement Charger Charging Cradle Dock Adapter for LG Watch Sport Smart Watch
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I end up getting through the day at about 30 to 50% with everything on except for LTE which I toggle on and off during the rare occasions I need it. I usually use brightness 6 during the evening and 8 during the day, I find the auto-brightness too dim on every occasion. On the other hand I've had a few random days where it rapidly used it's battery and I was down to power saving in the afternoon. Havne't figured out what is happening when it occurs but when it happens my phone also rapidly drains. Other than that I wish I could increase the screen on time, it sometimes dims before I've done what I want to do and I feel like I have enough spare bat to burn a little more keeping it on longer.
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Is there a faster way to toggle cellular on and off other than going into settings?
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Not that I know of and for me it's a double downer, when I use the watch standalone I don't need bluetooth. I menu dive to switch both and then revert when I'm done. The radios should be available from the pull down quick settings IMO, it would be enough to have an icon there to open them all and you could toggle those you need from there. Considering the wasted space on that pull down it becomes a bit of a what were they thinking issue...
Hi guys i'm interested about lg watch sport here in europe and i'm willing to buy from ebay korean model. My cuestion is can i use it completly without pairing to phone with sim inside. Can i set it up without cell phone? How about using facebook, viber ( making VOIP calls) email etc... thanks
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Hi guys i'm interested about lg watch sport here in europe and i'm willing to buy from ebay korean model. My cuestion is can i use it completly without pairing to phone with sim inside. Can i set it up without cell phone? How about using facebook, viber ( making VOIP calls) email etc... thanks
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You need to pair with phone initially. It also makes it easier to copy your accounts over to the watch. After you set it up, you don't need your phone anymore BUT if you keep it on cellular the watch isn't going to last.
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Not that I know of and for me it's a double downer, when I use the watch standalone I don't need bluetooth. I menu dive to switch both and then revert when I'm done. The radios should be available from the pull down quick settings IMO, it would be enough to have an icon there to open them all and you could toggle those you need from there. Considering the wasted space on that pull down it becomes a bit of a what were they thinking issue...
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From my time with the watch it appears that having cellular on has little impact on battery life as long as you're within range of your phone. The part that does affect battery life with cellular on is IF you're in an area with just complete sucky cell signal to start off with. (IE my workplace) that will kill battery.
I had battery draining issues at work even with cellular off at work but I figured out that although on my phone when connected to work wifi I can get to the play store on my phone but on my watch it can't get to the playstore or communicate with google. My assumption is the watch is draining because the google play services can't connect/sync with google therefore causing it to stay awake and drain. Watch battery life has been much better when I disable wifi on my phone BUT now my phone drains a little faster because it's not on wifi.
Bluetooth Autoconnect app has been a lifesaver when having watch/phone/BT headset/BT car connected. You can set up profiles and priorities so that the car/headset/headphones take over the call duties so you can hear phone calls through those devices instead of the watch.
I'm still getting used to life having to sift through the menus to disable and enable radios but you're right. There needs to be an easier and faster way.