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Hey all,
one of my first posts here at XDA-dev, been reading for ages but have become more vocal since picking up my Kaiser.
I would like to know how other peoples' experiences with the device have gone in regards to streaming video over Wifi to your device.
Let me explain a bit better: I'm in the kitchen whipping up some dinner and decide to watch some divx encoded anime on my Kaiser. I fire up Resco network explorer and browse my PCs network shares and find a file, select it and execute it.
The problem I am encountering is that either the device or the player are struggling to keep up. I know for a fact that all my other devices like other desktops and laptops stream no problem.
Finding that the Kaiser plays for 5 or so seconds no worries then up pops the 'processing' wheel/indicator in the middle of the screen.
If I'm not mistaken, it's either a) downloading more data to cache or b) it can't keep up and needs to process it further.
What confuses me is that the same encode running off the microSD card (not even SDHC) runs perfectly.
If you could share your thoughts/experiences or tweaks that would be great!
Thanks in advance.
bishopau said:
Hey all,
one of my first posts here at XDA-dev, been reading for ages but have become more vocal since picking up my Kaiser.
I would like to know how other peoples' experiences with the device have gone in regards to streaming video over Wifi to your device.
Let me explain a bit better: I'm in the kitchen whipping up some dinner and decide to watch some divx encoded anime on my Kaiser. I fire up Resco network explorer and browse my PCs network shares and find a file, select it and execute it.
The problem I am encountering is that either the device or the player are struggling to keep up. I know for a fact that all my other devices like other desktops and laptops stream no problem.
Finding that the Kaiser plays for 5 or so seconds no worries then up pops the 'processing' wheel/indicator in the middle of the screen.
If I'm not mistaken, it's either a) downloading more data to cache or b) it can't keep up and needs to process it further.
What confuses me is that the same encode running off the microSD card (not even SDHC) runs perfectly.
If you could share your thoughts/experiences or tweaks that would be great!
Thanks in advance.
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You Kaiser can't handle streaming video that was meant for the processing power of your PC. You can try ORB which will work a lot better.
In my long experience with WM, downloading itself uses a lot of processing cycles, so transferring and decoding data at the same time does not work very well, unless one of them is not very demanding.
Surur
hrmm good points all around, I will give orb a try
Thanks kindly
I have encounter the same when I was testing stream video to my cell. I have tweak the buffer on TCPMP and it didnt work that well. I believe the problem in on the video size. You may have to convert it to 240x320 screen size. I have tested on Final Fantasy VII. It was a 1.3Gb file and converted to 240x320 in MP4. The file size is 485mb. It works great. The picture is sharp by compare to original video.
Orb maybe a solution, but if you are a P2P user. It will slow down your upload speed.
The program I am using to convert to 240x320 is " Cucusoft iPod Movie-Video Converter v3.12 " . This is a older version, but it can covert AVI, Divx, RM & RMVB file to MP4. As long as you have the correct decoder in your PC, it can decode almost anything. This software is design for iPod video, but TCPMP support MP4. Which makes this a great tool for convert video to smaller size. Best of all, it does batch video conversion. Which means just drag all the video that you want to convert in to the program and just hit convert button. I have a lot of good quality MTV clips and the size are from 25mb to 60mb. It helped me carry more videos on my 4Gb SD card.
I was watching Transformers yesterday and today i watched another movie on my tilt. I realized that the movie lags a bit and quality isn't that good. The movies are dvdrips, however when playing you can see a lot of blurry squares at times. Also the sound is horrible. The sound about half a second later after the character actually mouths what is being said. So i can i fix these two problems? I am using TCPMP so any help with the settings on how to solve the issues would be great. Thanks
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I know people here are saying they are having media problems with the Kaiser and the video hardware could be implemented better, but I must have a different WM device because I don't have half of these problems!
First of all check the file you have converted by watching it on your PC. Some freeware conversion packages are crap and audio lagging and 'blocking' are present in the converted files.
Secondly, make sure you have converted to a reasonable screen resolution and frame rate. Playing anything above a 640x480 res on any PDA causes it to convert 'on the fly' and slows down playback.
I have many films in avi (not DivX!) format on a WLHDD2.5 wireless HDD and can play them very well over WiFi (use Resco Explorer to access network drive).
Hello Kareem I Just Read Your Post And I Have A Question , How Can You Download A Movie To Your Tilt I Have One And Im Having Trouble With That , And Do You Know A Good Website ? I Tried Vongo But They Told Me That The Tilt Does Not Work With Them. Thank You Very Much!!
Farsquidge said:
I know people here are saying they are having media problems with the Kaiser and the video hardware could be implemented better, but I must have a different WM device because I don't have half of these problems!
First of all check the file you have converted by watching it on your PC. Some freeware conversion packages are crap and audio lagging and 'blocking' are present in the converted files.
Secondly, make sure you have converted to a reasonable screen resolution and frame rate. Playing anything above a 640x480 res on any PDA causes it to convert 'on the fly' and slows down playback.
I have many films in avi (not DivX!) format on a WLHDD2.5 wireless HDD and can play them very well over WiFi (use Resco Explorer to access network drive).
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Amen, If you re encode movies correctly they play just fine on a tilt. I watch mine all the time even with BT headphones on which stress the cpu and the tilt even more. I change the audio sync to -0.500 for the headphones and -0.250 for regular viewing in coreplayer and the audio and video is perfectly in sync. I tryed the new version of coreplayer and the quality is superb. I quess thats why I have a dvd player also. I really dont need to watch a 4 gig dvd file on my tilt when a few minutes encoding it properly works just fine to throw it on my 6 gig sd card at a puny 250 meg file then. I have no skips, artifacts, or crappy picture. Most people are amazed when they see it playing on my tilts screen. Its a ppc phone. If I want a cinematic experince, I fire up my HD dlp projector and watch it on the 12 foot screen at home.
Me too . I'm watching live free or die hard now. Have seen about 3 movies on my Tilt and s9 headphones and it's great! PM me if you want the link for the movie(s).
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Hello Kareem I Just Read Your Post And I Have A Question , How Can You Download A Movie To Your Tilt I Have One And Im Having Trouble With That , And Do You Know A Good Website ? I Tried Vongo But They Told Me That The Tilt Does Not Work With Them. Thank You Very Much!!
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Wow, must have dug deep to find this old thread!!
lol, that's what i realized to. I saw transformers like a couple months back! Now watching other movies.
Re-encoding and audio syncing covered in this thread
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Hello Kareem I Just Read Your Post And I Have A Question , How Can You Download A Movie To Your Tilt I Have One And Im Having Trouble With That , And Do You Know A Good Website ? I Tried Vongo But They Told Me That The Tilt Does Not Work With Them. Thank You Very Much!!
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Although not addressed to me, you ought to convert a dvd that you already have, or rip if off a website first. In order to convert a dvd movie, you do need conversion software. There are literally numerous recommended software to enable you to do this.
Although this one is not perfect, I use a software called 'super' on my laptop. It is freeware by the way and probably is not as top notch as paid for products. I've also never converted a full movie length video as well, just clips. But I assume it would work.
Once its converted, copy the converted movie to your memory card (if you have one) or your device. (The former is more ideal however)
I think it has also been inferred that you don't have to have conversion software to play a dvd movie on your device, but it will consume alot of your memory if you put a 700MB movie on your device
Which is why you use software such as Ashampoo Movie Shrink & Burn to shrink the file down to 320 x 240, turning an 800MB file to 200MB.
Also with Ashampoo, you can tell it what size you're aiming for, so if you want the file to shrink to 100MB, it will tell you what sort of quality it will be. but I usually shrink mine down to between 170MB - 300MB, depending on the length of the film.
Audio said:
Which is why you use software such as Ashampoo Movie Shrink & Burn to shrink the file down to 320 x 240, turning an 800MB file to 200MB.
Also with Ashampoo, you can tell it what size you're aiming for, so if you want the file to shrink to 100MB, it will tell you what sort of quality it will be. but I usually shrink mine down to between 170MB - 300MB, depending on the length of the film.
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Audio..I have never tried Ashampoo, you have me intriged now as I usually two a two step process.
Cheers.
Audio,
How is the video playback when you shrink your movie down to 170MB - 300MB? Do you get lags and a lip sync effect?
Video playback is fine. No lag, it's just like watching a standard movie on a tiny screen . I have my audio synced at -200 in TCPMP which solves any delay. Everything can be found in this thread
Audio said:
Video playback is fine. No lag, it's just like watching a standard movie on a tiny screen . I have my audio synced at -200 in TCPMP which solves any delay. Everything can be found in this thread
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Thanks for this Audio! I'm about to try it now
One more question, do you use Ashampoo Movie and Shrink or Kingdia Video Converter? On this thread you mentioned Ashampoo, and on the other thread you mentioned Kingdia Video Converter
I use Kingdia to convert my files to .avi format, then Ashampoo to shrink them down to 320 x 240. Although thinking about it, i've never actually tried to shrink any other type of file format using ashampoo, perhaps you can shrink .mp4/.wmv/etc straight to .avi using ashampoo, give a try and let me know!
Audio said:
I use Kingdia to convert my files to .avi format, then Ashampoo to shrink them down to 320 x 240. Although thinking about it, i've never actually tried to shrink any other type of file format using ashampoo, perhaps you can shrink .mp4/.wmv/etc straight to .avi using ashampoo, give a try and let me know!
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I should have your read your first post in the other thread properly. Yes, I see why you use both Ashampoo and Kingdia. I'll try it. May take me a while though
I don't normally have my video clips at AVI format. I normally have it a 3GP or MPG. Why AVI?
"I have my audio synced at -200 in TCPMP which solves any delay. Everything can be found in this thread"
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I was wondering if to sync your audio at -200, do you have to go to 'Settings' and then 'buffering' and then change the figure in 'preload for audio' to '-200 kb'
Well I use .avi as it's good compression, you could have a film in .wmv that is about 2GB, whereas in .avi it'd only be 700MB.
As for your seconf question, to sync your audio in TCPMP, go to Options > Select Page > Advanced, and you're looking for the "Manual A/V offset +/-" box. And I actually lied, mine's currently set to -270, not - 200. But it depends how much faster your eyes work compared to your ears
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Well I use .avi as it's good compression, you could have a film in .wmv that is about 2GB, whereas in .avi it'd only be 700MB.
As for your seconf question, to sync your audio in TCPMP, go to Options > Select Page > Advanced, and you're looking for the "Manual A/V offset +/-" box. And I actually lied, mine's currently set to -270, not - 200. But it depends how much faster your eyes work compared to your ears
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I'll be putting those values in now. Thanks again. But I still would have thought converting a movie to '3GP' would save alot more space, but the quality of the video would probably be poorer. I've noticed this when using the programme 'Super' to convert video clips to 3GP in comparison to converting the very same video clips to MPG. I assume that AVI and MPG file sizes can't be too different...
And I just stumbled upon this in your other thread:
Hi plchan,
to be perfectly honest, I've no idea how other file types play, as all the films I "Source" are mostly .avi's anyway. However TCPMP has codec for loads of different file types, so I don't see a problem with Shrinking different file types straight to 320 x 240.
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I'll try keeping the video type to its original if TCPMP will play it anyway. Plus, the quality of the video always detoriate whenever you encode.
A random question- In your sig, I notice you are endorsing 'mini opera'. I was wondering which out of 'mini opera' or 'mobile opera' is the better for a kaiser
For web browser's, you're probably better off reading this thread. The reason I use Opera Mini, is because I enjoy the zoom ability that you get. I.E when you open a webpage, you see all the webpage, then you can just press on the bit you want to zoom into. But the minute Opera Mobile 9 comes out, I'll be getting it . That Skyfire that's made an appearance also seems to look VERY interesting, probably going to be a good competitor for Opera Mobile 9, as is Microsoft's Deepfish browser. It's all very exciting.... lol.
Can anyone recommend what settings i should have my TCPMP player on my Tilt for playing video. when i go to youtube, it lags quite i bit, so i just figured it was one of those things i have to deal with when using a pda and going to a site like youtube. but i put a video file on my storage card and played it and it lags quite a bit, probably even worst than playing something on youtube, i went to the recommend settings for tcpmp but that doesn't seem to work for a video i play directly off my storage card, any ideas on who to get less lag, i'm also using version .81RC1. Thanks
Hi!
I use "Raw FramePuffer" or "GDI" under OPTIONS - VIDEO.
Just not "DirectDraw" - It looked really bad with that...
I stream Divx/Xvid files over WLAN and from microSD and it's OK.
I've tried those options, but i still get the lag, it plays a little better in wmp, but still laggy, could it be something w/the video i put on my card, i didn't convert it to anything, mainly because i dont know how, i just put the card in my usb adapter and plugged it into my computer and copied the file to the card. Or could it be something i need to change under settings? because like i mentioned i do get the lag while playing youtube.
anyone else have any ideas on how to get tcpmp to play video's w/o much lag? i'm getting quite a bit on files i put on my storage card, it's basically unwatchable.
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anyone else have any ideas on how to get tcpmp to play video's w/o much lag? i'm getting quite a bit on files i put on my storage card, it's basically unwatchable.
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Had the same problem. Until I resized/re-encoded the videos with eRightSoft SUPER video converter (Free). The key is to using the "DIVX / AVI Pocket PC" as the output format.
If this doesnt work then I would try a different SD Card.
I put a 4000kb buffer in TCPMP to get normal "xvid" TV episodes working. It's a little choppy, but certainly usable. I didn't notice battery draining more than normal, and for not having to spend hours reencoding video, the occasional choppiness is okay.
Yes, the best way is to recode the video files. I don't use no fancy app for this, just windows movie maker has that option to scale it to pocket pc or any format you like. Works quit well.
Link to SUPER video converter
This a link to the free software I use SUPER. I also included a screenshot with the settings that work for me. Enjoy
http://rapidshare.com/files/74633129/Super_2007_build23_and_settings.zip.html
I found these settings on another forum and apparently they help, but I still can not play and mp4 file I encoded for the iPhone. I haven't tried other encodings, but I have seen some poeple (in addition to the OPs comment below) say DivX is one of the better types for the Tilt.
Windows Mobile Core Player Settings
I experienced the same thing on mine. I'm using TCPMP and I've found that the following steps help relieve some of the problems.
1. Options/Video:
Change from DirectDraw to Raw FrameBuffer
Uncheck "Dither" (whatever that is)
2. Options/Video/Pixel Aspect Ratio: set to Auto
3. Options/Settings/Advanced
Check "Slow Video Memory"
4. Options/Settings/Buffering
Change "Preload at Underrun" to 85%
Note: I'm using PocketDIVxEncoder to convert everything to AVI files with the right audio/video size and format and I've tweaked the rom quite a bit. The most important setting change I've found to improve response of programs/video came from the vx6700 forums:
H_KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/System/GDI/GLYPHCACHE/limit
change setting to either 32758 or 65536
I've tried both, and I'm using 32758 because it's a smaller memory footprint, but 65536 appears slightly faster.
dither 'smooths' out the colour gradients - so you dont see the nasty blockiness you get from high compression so much - also helps make the 16bit depth look a bit better
What about streaming video from your computer and re-encoding it on the stream server? Windows Media Server, VLC, and probably other apps can do this. I think Orb does this. Can anyone offer a comparison between TCPMPing divxs over the network and Orb-ing the same file?
I have tried ORB at home and it seems to work OK, but in order to really use it, you need to have a good network connection. So you are adding in yet another variable (and one which is almost completely unpredictable) to affect playback. Supposedly, ORB or Sling or whatever stream method you are using will detect your bandwidth and push you the best rate for your connection, but no connection means no playback. As an example, I couldn't get MobiTV to work over edge at all, which is promoted by AT&T as the way to watch TV on your phone. Right...
Since micro SDs now come in awesome capacities, we tend to store rather larger media files than before.
I happen to copy a movie from a friend earlier in VOB format (4.7GB DVD) and I wanted to play directly from my PPC.
Sadly, the TCPMP did not play it nor did the Media Player.
Is there a plug in for TCPMP or maybe another program that plays this extension?
Thanks in advance
I did a little search and it seems that the only thing you can do is convert it. Thankfuly, I ran across a free .vob converter.
I dont watch videos on my phone (no time), so I haven't tried it out to see if it works.
Also, this thread covered it too.
So it seems there's no way (any ways that I can find) to play VOB files on your phone, however you can convert it to other formats.
if your not happy with these answers, give it a try.
In some cases, simply renaming the file to mpg will allow it to load. Virtuadub2 allows for loading of MPEG2 files, but not VOB files. So simply renaming it allowed it to be loaded.
I seriously doubt the Kaiser has enough processing power to decode a vob file, considering the audio/video bitrate involved.
even after renaming, the tytn ii could not decode:/
i really love the size and the keyboard of this device but i wish they would've put a slightly faster processor and better drivers
what I've tried...
-rockplayer 1.6.3
-qqplayer
-vplayer (unlocked)
-vital player
What I watch..
-mostly divx avis haven't bothered trying nor do i care about mkvs at this point
ideally, where I would play video from nfs/cifs mounted storage
-cifs is working via cifs manager
what I've noticed
-rockplayer doesn't want to play anything
-qqplayer plays things but its choppy
-vplayer doesnt want to play anything either
- vital player cant play anything outside of /sdcard and doesnt play anything.
by doesnt work i mean i see the file in the player, i select it, either nothing happens or it appears to load and just closes the app. (yes software decode mode)
as a side note I've also noticed adb push file.avi /sdcard is much slower than my old 32gb class2 microsd card in my evo, and slower than the internal 16gb storage in my nexus s. (1266 KB/s (732659712 bytes in 565.100s))
anyone else having as much trouble as I?
My avi's play fine with rockplayer universal
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You know whats strange? This device can handle the mkv format just fine.. whereas my gtab cannot.. yet plays avi's without any issues what so ever.
My m4vs, at first, will blank with weird rainbow lines for first few seconds but play terrific on RockPlayer afterward. Every time I select a m4v file.
Didn't try other formats such as avi, mkv, wmv, ogg, etc.
Tried VPlayer Unlocker, QQPlayer, all no good.
I'm looking forward to either VLC or CorePlayer which I think will hit first, on twitter, it's said to be expected to go out by middle of this month. Let's hope.
i dont know why, but every time i try to load an MKV file onto my xoom, windows explorer crashes. anyone else have this problem?
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You know whats strange? This device can handle the mkv format just fine.. whereas my gtab cannot.. yet plays avi's without any issues what so ever.
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But do you get audio?
Here's what I've found:
I suppose it depends on the audio that's muxed in. AAC should work in place of AC3 - downmixed to stereo. Though I actually haven't tried multichannel aac, I doubt it would work out correctly. Question is, do dts and ac3 pass thru work (thru HDMI)
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I stated this in another post for video, so here goes again.
PLEX
I am working with the Android devs for Plex right now as a beta tester. At this very moment he is working on the video subsystem. Once the kinks are ironed out the next update will be pushed to the market.
I dont know about you, but I dont like having to encode my movies into another format just so I can watch them on my phone/tablet. Also having a collection closing in on 1000 movies makes that even more of a pain. I like the idea of having a server at home push my movies, NO MATTER the format to my phone/tablet.
Plex on my Nexus S looks near perfect, and there is early work being done to improve the video quality.
If I had to take a guess I would say the public is about two weeks or less away from an update that enables playback on the Xoom. Even better the interface will be tweaked to take advantage of the screen size and Tegra chip after that.
I will post in the forum the moment the official release goes live for our new toy.