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When Xposed available for ART? Today has left the Android SDK 5.0
Available whenever you make it work. We are all waiting on you. Hurry please.
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Nice initiative Sheyla96. Do you have an ETA? I'm waiting too
It isn't an nice initiative at all. @rovo89 has said several times that it will come when it will come, he's doing this on his free time, jeez some people should just take a chill pill. ART hasn't been the official runtime for longer than 3 days and you're already starting, there isn't even a device running lollipop yet for god's sake! Sit down relax and wait for rovo to make his magic! @Sheyla96 @respider
I haven't seen any final version of ART yet, all just beta and preview versions. Even the version included in the latest emulator image (labeled "Android 5.0 / API 21") is at least a month old, or at least didn't include some of the commits of the master branch. Speaking of source code: It's still changing a lot. I wasn't able to build libart.so from source for the emulator as the included commit range is unclear (actually their Lollipop branch might be different from master, so knowning a date might not be enough). It's pretty hard to shoot such a fast-moving target. I hope that once a final version is out and the source code for is published (with a proper branch), changes will slow down a bit - and hopefully, vendors will use it pretty much unmodified.
I think I mentioned before that I had an early proof of concept for ART working in December. As I expected, many things had to be changed for the first L preview, and even then it didn't work. ART != ART. You may also have noticed that I haven't been here and didn't work on Xposd for the past three months for various reasons. I still don't have time and motivation to work on Xposed as I used to, but I'm slowly starting again (no promises though).
Last weekend, I started to try out a different approach, where I would make a few changes in the ART source code directly. This seems to be working much better and cleaner than trying to hack it from outside (especially because ART is much more complex and using many classes, templates etc. which are hard or impossible to work with). It also ensures control over the many variants it can be compiled with. The downside is that this would require replacing libart.so and libart-compiler.so on the system, and nobody knows whether vendors will build their ROMs with source code that is similar enough to AOSP to make this exchange possible. Then again, a library compiled against AOSP source probably wouldn't work with those ROMs either, as offsets etc. would be different.
Keep in mind that most of you are mainly interested in getting Xposed for Lollipop. ART is not the only new thing there, also SELinux is much stricter there, blocking many things required for Xposed. Not sure if there will be a different solution than disabling SELinux or exchanging the policy, both of which would probably require flashing a custom bootimage/kernel. But I'm not even thinking about this in detail yet, nor about different ways of installing Xposed (might be rather manually for the beginning). And I have no plans to use the Material Design anytime soon.
When I find the time and motivation, I will try to work on ART support. I will probably not be here and report about it though. When I think the time is right, I will publish my work-in-progress source code for others to help me (which requires a good understanding of advanced topics such as assembler/bytecode, so I'm afraid there won't be many people who can help). I consider everything I have done with ART so far as training - getting familiar with the source code, experimenting a lot, getting frustrated because it doesn't work most of the time. On Kitkat, ART is more or less a gimmick, most important it's optional. I might build an Xposed version that supports ART on Kitkat later if it can be maintained with little additional effort. If it's too different from the final ART, it will stay a proof of concept.
So in short: Wait until the final images and source code drop. Then wait again until it's ready. I can't give any estimation when that will be the case, it depends much on my personal situation. Chance are pretty low that it will be within a month after Lollipop release, and will get higher once I start thinking about flashing a Lollipop ROM myself (which would probably be CM12, and I think these guys won't give us a timeline either, for good reasons). I'm still not 100% sure Xposed for Lollipop will work, but I hope that in some way it will, even if it might not be as compatible with most ROMs and as easy to install as it is for Android 4.x.
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It isn't an nice initiative at all.
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I was just continuing @beren28 's joke assuming @Sheyla96 would implement it
sorry if looked like I was really asking for ETA
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I was just continuing @beren28 's joke assuming @Sheyla96 would implement it
sorry if looked like I was really asking for ETA
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FWIW, I thought yours and @beren28's posts were hilarious, and surprised that they could be misunderstood.
@rovo89: Thanks a lot for giving it to us straight and taking the time to explain. Xposed is a miracle that has allowed great customization, even on stock ROMs, and it will be hard to give up. Knowing where we stand at least let's us make informed decisions about whether to upgrade to Lollipop or not.
On the positive side, several of the Xposed modules I use, are for tweaks and features that are included in Lollipop, so there is that too.
Is there any possibility of asking Google for official help on this project. I'd imagine with the help of some Android engineers, things would become a lot simpler. That is of course if Google even agrees in the first place, I don't know their stance on projects like this.
IMO Xposed is the shining highlight of dev projects on Android, it opened up so much for so many without needing a whole new rom, and Rovo89 cannot be expected to shoulder the burden himself now that L makes things much harder. We have so many talented devs here, can we have a call to arms in the open source community to help out?
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Is there any possibility of asking Google for official help on this project. I'd imagine with the help of some Android engineers, things would become a lot simpler. That is of course if Google even agrees in the first place, I don't know their stance on projects like this.
IMO Xposed is the shining highlight of dev projects on Android, it opened up so much for so many without needing a whole new rom, and Rovo89 cannot be expected to shoulder the burden himself now that L makes things much harder. We have so many talented devs here, can we have a call to arms in the open source community to help out?
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I think any help from Google would at best be hard to get. But if it works I think it would make integration with 5.0 easier.
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So in short: Wait until the final images and source code drop. Then wait again until it's ready.
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First I just want to say thank you so much for all the work you've done! Xposed has turned my Moto G into an even more awesome device.
But to clarify: if we decide to upgrade to Lollipop, does that mean we need to only disable the activated Xposed modules in the meantime, or do we need to completely uninstall the Xposed framework?
But to clarify: if we decide to upgrade to Lollipop, does that mean we need to only disable the activated Xposed modules in the meantime, or do we need to completely uninstall the Xposed framework?
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With Xposed Installer on Neuxs 5, I never could use OTA updates, so when you flash the factory image, it overwrite the system partition, so Xposed is uninstalled. And when you'll try to reinstall it, it will display an error message.
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... So in short: Wait until the final images and source code drop. Then wait again until it's ready. I can't give any estimation when that will be the case, it depends much on my personal situation. Chance are pretty low that it will be within a month after Lollipop release, and will get higher once I start thinking about flashing a Lollipop ROM myself (which would probably be CM12, and I think these guys won't give us a timeline either, for good reasons). I'm still not 100% sure Xposed for Lollipop will work, but I hope that in some way it will, even if it might not be as compatible with most ROMs and as easy to install as it is for Android 4.x.
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Thanks for the update. Note that current ART has still not compiled for older armv6 architecture. It will have to in order to port Lollipop to such devices. Unless it will still be possible to use a Dalvik JVM in which case, good old Xposed will still be available.
Hello rovo89!
I just wanted to let you know that Xposed is genius and, unfortunately essential for me.
I'm one of the few unlucky people who are using Android with a MVNO, so I need to use XPosed with the National Roaming module to be able to use my Smartphone without the annoying roaming messages.
So with this post I want to say thank you for all the work you did yet!
Of course I'm hopeing that Sony will bring out 5.0 soon to my Z1 and I'm also hopeing that you will find a solution for all the upcoming problems with ART and I'm pretty sure you'll gona solve them!
Probably stay with 4.4.4 and xposed
I have my Nexus 4 set up just the way I want with xposed, gravity box and a couple other modules along with a slew of paid programs that open up lots more functionality that rooting affords . Battery life is as good as it will ever be and when the battery needs replacing, then I will replace it as I have no plans on getting a N6 any time soon. Even though I cheated by rooting with towel-root, I have grown accustomed to using the extra functionality that xposed and rooting has given me. Going to 5.0 will be a royal PITA to get the darn phone back to the way I want, if ever and I don't like the new material theme either - blech! I like xposed and am not truly convinced that lollipop will be better than what I have now.
However, I am an old timey linux user and I have learned long ago, to let others do the "bug-testing" and wait for the first update to the new OS before upgrading, so (5.1?). I remember the chorus of howls that went up when KK came out.
Now I do have a bone-stock unrooted Nexus 7 that will get upgraded to lollipop, so at least I have that to play with and if the new OS is that spectacular, then I will go the route of upgrading (maybe?).
@rovo89
Thanks so much for that clarification of the current status of things. I know what the deal is with Xposed development and would never have dreamed of querying (nagging) you for a status update, though I must admit I have been googling "ART xposed" quite frequently for the past months'ish, eager for any progress reports/updates. Sort of hoping that I would be able to hold off for ~"a couple of weeks" with upgrading to L and then do so with xposed running on ART. Knowing now that it'll be substantially(?) more than the aforementioned couple of weeks, I'll go ahead and take the leap once the final/public release of L drops (since I'm a latest-version-junkie, ho, hum), and I've got until then to adjust to the idea of not having my oh so beloved Xposed modules that have become an integral part of my Android experience. While I'll keep googling "ART xposed", I'll now (soon) be doing so not stuck on KitKat.
And I offer you my respect, admiration and gratitude for what you have created with Xposed (along with the module developers), for what it has done for my stock Nexus 5 and how it has changed my user experience. If Xposed for ART takes a month, a year, or never materializes, I applaud and salute you (and the module developers) for the work you have done so far. Thank you, most sincerely, thank you!
And should you change your policy on taking donations for Xposed, I've got some beer money with your name on it (unless you already have, in which case, what's your paypal?).. Regardless of what the future holds.
While this might probably be one of those posts that could fall under the category of "pressing the thanks button instead of writing a post that spams the thread when the thanks button would have been sufficient", I feel that this is a case of when the thanks button won't express my gratitude enough. And so I'll take my chances.
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But to clarify: if we decide to upgrade to Lollipop, does that mean we need to only disable the activated Xposed modules in the meantime, or do we need to completely uninstall the Xposed framework?
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Definitely uninstall the framework (and anything else you may have installed on /system) if you'll be running the Lollipop OTA.
Personally I'll be using the opportunity to do a clean install. This is a big update.
Sorry for the spam, @rovo89, but I just wanted to thank you personally in words - I literally cannot use a device without Xposed any more! Guys like you inspire me to hack a bit on my own too! Cheers!
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I still don't have time and motivation to work on Xposed as I used to, but I'm slowly starting again (no promises though).
When I find the time and motivation, I will try to work on ART support. I will probably not be here and report about it though.
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What if there were some sort of donations available for your work on updating Xposed?. I know xposed is free, but could you set up a donation by app in Google Play store or through PayPal which would be directly for the work of xposed for Android L/ART? I'm sure there would be a lot of people who would be willing to put in some support for the work that you do. Just a suggestion
Give us Xposed now! No excuses! Just kidding, take your time but as mentioned many times, some people (including myself) only need the art framework to completly switch to art, that's the only thing what's holding us back. I not understand the argument art is beta, I guess if you see it that way the whole android is beta because there are almost daily changes.
If you need any help, testers and such let us know, but it's hard without any concept, so I hope you can show us some source and concepts soon.
Thanks for your hard work. We all waiting for 'final' sources to get our hands on.
Well, whether or not we'll ever see Xposed from Lollypop on, I must say that I understand your demotivation, and as much as I'd love to see it going forwards, what I have to give you is nothing but a big and warm thank you for giving Andoid users even more power over their phones and creating the most flexible framework there is. Kudos.
Given the fact that Xposed does not work on art how will that affect your decision to upgrade to Android L?
Comments should include lots of beer for Rovo89.
Due to xprivacy needing xposed it's the only thing that makes me still use kitkat..
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Aren't "no" and "I will wait until Xposed works with ART" the same answer? If you won't upgrade without Xposed ("No"), that seems to imply you would upgrade if it works with ART.
I'm willing to wait, there are a few Xposed mods I really care about like Xposed call block, full use of Greenify, MinMinLock and RootCloak, and others I could probably learn to live without but still find convenient like Chrome New Tab, CrappaLinks, Play Store link in App info, PlayPermissionsExpoxed, Statusbar Scroll to Top, and Swype Tweaks.
I upgraded my Nexus 7 to Lollipop (on Purity ROM) without Xposed, but I don't use that daily like my phone, so on that I'm wiling to wait, and even stay on KitKat indefinitely.
I can stick with KK for many more years.... Until Xposed come for LP, I WIL NOT have LP... Simple...
Perhaps it's just me, but, I'm also still on win7, until...
You may stick with KK and Xposed for years, but devs probably no. They would slowly abandon their modules, if Xposed framework development stopped.
Nah I will wait. There isn't single feature in Lollipop that isn't in KitKat.
I've been holding out, but just last night I decided to try out CM12 through MultiRom and now I'm completely torn.
On one hand, I have my beloved Xposed modules which add awesome functionality as well as some fantastic visuals (Flat Style Keyboard is the most difficult to give up...) and on the other hand is the absolutely beautiful experience of using Lollipop. I hadn't used it first-hand until now, and I was honestly blown away, and still am after using the rom all day today. Everything is just so much smoother and feels like it is working the way it should. I feel that with material design, Android finally stands up to iOS in terms of visual appeal, fluidness, and consistency.
*sigh* I suppose I'll find myself switching off between the two roms for a while, unable to choose one.
Still on 4.4.4, cause xposed isn't compatible with lollipop yet :-/
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...upgrade to Android L? ...lots of beer for Rovo89.
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Rovo developes Xposed for other reason, not beer, not money. Let us hope he still has reason strong enough to open up ART so Xposed modules will work on Lollipop.
Point of clarification: "Android L" is an early version of Lollipop. Since then, we have seen Android 5.0, Android 5.0.1, and the latest is Android 5.0.2, which is the only Lollipop I have tried. After trying it for about 2 days, I went back because I felt need for my Xposed modules. But, after only a few hours off Lollipop, I went back to it! And then, began finding work arounds for missing features. ART is so smooth and responsive, and Lollipop has a great new recent apps switcher 'Rolodex' that is wonderfully fluid, useful, and fun. I love these and other things Lollipop brings. Found ways to deal with all desired features. Even Xprivacy issues have work arounds, thanks to App Ops in CM-12. None the less, while using and enjoying Lollipop, I am keeping up hope that Rovo brings Xposed to ART.
using CM12 without xposed
Please, that is exactly the reason why the dev have no motivation to spend energy in this project any more.
No question, exposed is a revolutionary mod for android geeks like us.
Don't put pressure on the dev!
Thanks for attention
Still on KitKat. Mainly because it allows me to continue maintaining and supporting my xposed modules.
Would be too uncomfortable to switch ROMs everytime I need to test stuff.
I decided to pull the plug on kitkat and upgrade my exynos S5. I'm definitely missing the xposed experience on my phone. Starting from the full use of greenify ( especially wake-up tracker and cutoff) to all the small tweaks and quirks we're doing to our UI, and the whole OS.
It made me not take for granted the huge amount of work put into the framework itself, and the work put in by the devs of all the modules that we use daily. Huge thanks to all the developers out there and I hope one day we will have a working version of the xposed framework for the new Android iteration.
I'm on my way to make a donation to the xposed framework Dev and I encourage others to do so too.
Plan on staying with KitKat unless I decide to switch to Cyanogen. Being on a Note 3 I kinda have mixed feelings missing some S-Pen functionality.
I had to make the jump, at least temporarily. . Definitely missing some things, but nothing I can't live without.
I've upgraded to Lollipop several times now, but have reverted to KitKat each time. Not specifically because of the XPosed incompatibility, although that affected my decision. Mostly because the ROM I'm using now on my i9300 has so much extra functionality. Secondarily, Lollipop simply isn't giving me the battery life I've been getting on the KitKat I'm using--and that's something I find very important in a ROM.
That being said, again today I've tried a newer version of what's billed as one of the better Lollipop ROMs for my set; we'll see if I stay with it.
I only have one XPosed module that I use, and it's visual, so...although I miss it, I can live without it.
Yep still on kitkit cm11, mostly because of xposed and XMG compatibility not present on cm12. stupid ART!
i would like to hit over to android 5, for the fact that call sound actually works with latest Google Play Services... but its a minor setback sticking with kitkat... not like i get called enough that it bothers me much, #foreveralone :crying:
still sucks that i cant use most gapps cause of this =/ (i restored factory version, which doesn't self update)
ah well will have to wait a few months to see the progress of xposed and xmg ART runtime compatibility
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I decided to pull the plug on kitkat and upgrade my exynos S5. I'm definitely missing the xposed experience on my phone. Starting from the full use of greenify ( especially wake-up tracker and cutoff) to all the small tweaks and quirks we're doing to our UI, and the whole OS.
It made me not take for granted the huge amount of work put into the framework itself, and the work put in by the devs of all the modules that we use daily. Huge thanks to all the developers out there and I hope one day we will have a working version of the xposed framework for the new Android iteration.
I'm on my way to make a donation to the xposed framework Dev and I encourage others to do so too.
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What about the hard work of developers who've been toiling away hard on the Lollipop ROMs bringing you various mods without xposed?
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What about the hard work of developers who've been toiling away hard on the Lollipop ROMs bringing you various mods without xposed?
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I'm modifying my own system files for lollipop. As an IT engineer I know my way around how Linux/Unix systems work, and have a bit of programming language background.
I was solely referring that we should support what we are using (as I used xposed and decided to support it into further development), but I'm not using any other "mods" from other developers.
Unlike the vast majority of Android users, I buy all my software.
But I believe that the users should support the work of their devs, or if you're developing something, I hope your users will support whatever it is you're working on (I've seen you have clearly taken offense)
No offense taken
http://www.landofdroid.com/2015/xposed-style-framework-for-lollipop-in-beta-testing/
Former VillainROM ROM developer HomerSp with a little help from Villain lead Nathan Russell have put together their own framework to work with Lollipop which is currently codenamed ElPollo. Development is still at an early stage but the framework does install and a couple of test modules are also working.
This is a Great News for us, i'm pretty excited to use Xposed On Art, but i Think he should work with @rovo89 to bring us a Xposed Support for ART instead of create a new Framework.
When people wanted to help rovo89, he disagreed (he told about his own concept and he would not share what he had). So I can't see any reason to work on such project. Own style framework is better solution in this case since "new devs" can fully control it and not wait for rovo whether he will do something next week, next month, or never.
Maybe @rovo89 and @Tungstwenty might consider helping out on this new development
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Maybe @rovo89 and @Tungstwenty might consider helping out on this new development
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Let's hope so
Man I would like to be a beta tester.
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Good. If they can release it before Xposed then I'm willing to try it out.
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Good. If they can release it before Xposed then I'm willing to try it out.
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You will have to wait a lot more while it has all those modules like Xposed
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You will have to wait a lot more while it has all those modules like Xposed
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Umm what? Are you implying Xposed on lollipop would be able to use old modules. Haha good one. I mostly use GB, App Settings and Youtube AdAway anyway so I don't need the niche ones.
Also I said try it not use it as my main
I think maybe will be easy to port Xposed modules to this framework, should not be much difference between two (at least I hope for it)
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Umm what? Are you implying Xposed on lollipop would be able to use old modules. Haha good one.
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Are you implying it wouldn't? Explain. Xposed modules use Xposed Helper methods, they execute code before/after or instead of hooked methods, it doesn't matter how Xposed Framework handles the replacements.
Modules will require updates to match Lollipop code, it's minor changes, Xposed API should stay the same.
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Are you implying it wouldn't? Explain. Xposed modules use Xposed Helper methods, they execute code before/after or instead of hooked methods, it doesn't matter how Xposed Framework handles the replacements.
Modules will require updates to match Lollipop code, it's minor changes, Xposed API should stay the same.
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Somehow I doubt that backward compatibility will work as easily as you think especially not for something as complex as GravityBox. Unless you forgot some modules are still OS dependant and ROM dependant like TouchWiz/Sense etc. Calling it now that everything will need to be redone from the scratch unless it's something trivial that only switches some variables.
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Unless you forgot some modules are still OS dependant and ROM dependant like TouchWiz/Sense etc. Calling it now that everything will need to be redone from the scratch unless it's something trivial that only switches some variables.
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I'm a Sense Toolbox dev, so I know how modules are dependent) It won't be from scratch at all, especially on Sense, because it's still Sense 6.
Moving from Sense 5 4.2 to Sense 6 4.3/4.4 was a big change, but even that broke only half of the mods.
Rovo89 said that Xposed API will be the same. So, for example, all modules that change the functionality of an app will work instantly on Lollipop (because the app is the same). If the module changes some system parameters, obviously it will have to change, but not because of Xposed, the API will be the same, but because of Lollipop.
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Rovo89 said that Xposed API will be the same. So, for example, all modules that change the functionality of an app will work instantly on Lollipop (because the app is the same). If the module changes some system parameters, obviously it will have to change, but not because of Xposed, the API will be the same, but because of Lollipop.
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Yeah what I mean are system changes that L will break.
The main reason I have not upgraded to Lolipop is because of the lack or no Xposed support.
If @rovo89 does not wish to share his work and let us help him, then just thank him for the past work he has put out, some truly amazing work in the past.. But I seriously doubt he will put out Xposed for Android 5.0. For what ever reason he can't put in the time, I think its great that other developers are logging in hours to produce something similar.. Something worth donating some money for..
@rovo89 you are a top notch developer, but if you don't have the time or resources, just pass what you have to the next guy.. Don't ruin it for everyone else.. If not, let the new guys do their own thing..
I'd say something more derogatory, but I'm biting my tongue.
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The main reason I have not upgraded to Lolipop is because of the lack or no Xposed support.
If @rovo89 does not wish to share his work and let us help him, then just thank him for the past work he has put out, some truly amazing work in the past.. But I seriously doubt he will put out Xposed for Android 5.0. For what ever reason he can't put in the time, I think its great that other developers are logging in hours to produce something similar.. Something worth donating some money for..
@rovo89 you are a top notch developer, but if you don't have the time or resources, just pass what you have to the next guy.. Don't ruin it for everyone else.. If not, let the new guys do their own thing..
I'd say something more derogatory, but I'm biting my tongue.
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+1 same reason which prevented me upgrade to Lollipop. Xposed helped us in everyway. I would like to donate if the work continued to Lollipop.
Me too, trying to use Lollipop without the Xposed, but I have 15+ modules, with different functionality (can't list all), so it's was hard, then I go back to KK, wishing hard to work on lollipop
Yes, clear message from rovo89 is needed.
Didn't think he will say anything about this
He already gave a clear message.
He will work on it at his own pace and won't publish anything until he feels it's ready for other actual contributors to help. He also said he wouldn't be giving progress updates and not to bug him about it at all.
I don't think it gets any clearer than that honestly. Seeing some people posting about "biting their tongue" and holding back derogatory remarks confirms why he has taken that stance. He owes nobody anything, least of all constant updates on work he's doing to benefit others for free.
Also, let's be honest here, most people complaining about him not sharing his work in progress wouldn't be capable of contributing anything anyway. If they were, they would already be working on it by themselves. The source is right there on his GitHub. Have at it.
Let's just be happy that a possible viable alternative is being worked on and not turn yet another thread into complaining that rovo isn't working on Xposed fast enough and he should hurry up.
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https://github.com/rovo89/Xposed/issues/230#issuecomment-316560803
His official and technical stance on this.
Wait other 9 month to his release then..
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Wait other 9 month to his release then..
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9 months? First N build appeared last August, so more like 11 and very close to an entire year have passed.
At his pace, it will probably take years, and to be honest I don't expect him releasing anything else anymore (I'd be gratefully surprised).
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https://github.com/rovo89/Xposed/issues/230#issuecomment-316560803
His official and technical stance on this.
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I respect Rovo, but ppl should do what ever they want in a opensource environment.
Even though he point out all the issues and technical details to call it a hack (i call it a fork though) i failure to see the harm of ppl to use it.
i dont think people should be discouraged to try the unofficial build..
after all its their own device to try.. and its the risk they decide to take (though i suspect many of them do not know enough to realise that)..
but, they should be warned..
i would view the statement from rovo89 a kind of disclaimer, so that those blind idiots (i dont mean all those who try are, but undoubtedly a handful among them are eligible candidates) would be alerted who not to blame after running into trouble..
I tried Xposed with Android N and I can tell you that a lot doesn't work. Everything keeps crashing all the time, at least for me. You should not be surprised when your ROM keeps failing everywhere. I use my phone on daily basis so for me it was a no go, but still always test just out of curiosity I always make a backup and test for fun so I can go back to my stable build
It sounds funny that @rovo89 is discouraging people from using that Xposed Nougat fork due to its "reliability", being Xposed itself not as reliable as everyone wants - at least its installation, there's always that risk of bricking the phone.
I mean, everyone here respects @rovo89 for his work on Xposed, but I think people installing that fork know they're playing at their own risk: it hasn't @rovo89's quality check, it is not an official release, it's unstable...
Yes, people should be warned, it's nice from him to remind that to that fork's developers, but don't discourage people for doing what they want. After all, that's how they got to Xposed in the first place. And he should remember that if he's having a hard time on getting ready Xposed for Nougat, is because Google is discouraging all things that are supposed to be a risk for our phones - that includes Xposed Framework.
by the time the first xposed was launched i installed it
my phone got 1/10th of it's performance
I had to press it 3 times to unlock once
I had to download a new app to answer the phone
almost all updates bricked my phone
some settings from modules bricked it too
and it was my daily driver
and I didn't stop
I know, out there that there are a lot of persons willing to do sacrifices like me
this release is for us
Hm. To be honest, I somehow didn't believe in Xposed for Nougat anymore. Maybe Xposed is really done with after Marshmallow and we simply have to accept that.
Sörnäinen said:
Hm. To be honest, I somehow didn't believe in Xposed for Nougat anymore. Maybe Xposed is really done with after Marshmallow and we simply have to accept that.
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How is it done if it has a alpha for N?
I dunno when rovo89 release his xposed nougat or when he can fix all the bugs
But , If you , a noob , cant build xposed or make commit in github by yourself , then enjoy unofficial build by ErnyTech .
It is really stable . No bugs found . No crashes apps . No random reboot .
Almost bugs fixed
His build is a really good choice for you while wait for rovo89 official nougat build
I understand, that rovo89 is not happy about an unstable buggy version of Xposed for Nougat. This is comprehensible, because he's a perfectionist, but it also leads to problems. He doesn't accept somebodys help.
Don't get me wrong, rovo89 deserves so much respect for creating Xposed, such an awesome piece of software! But because of his perfectionism, it takes so long until an official release of Xposed for a new Android version, but the people want it now. Even though this sounds ungrateful, the consequence is, that other capable developers give a try on their own unofficial builds, this is comprehensible.
We already had such a case back in the time of Android Lollipop. Android 5.1 Lollipop was released for some time, but there was only an official Xposed for 5.0 Lollipop. So romracer came along and released an unofficial Xposed for Lollipop 5.1, which was very stable. So the people used it and loved it.
rovo89 doesn't want to incur liabilities, that's OK. But he's also very reticent, too reticent in my opinion. Maybe he should accept help and not blame others for unofficial releases.
These are just my thoughts about the situation.
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How is it done if it has a alpha for N?
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Read Rovo89's statement.
It doesn't seem a project he has any time for, and the alpha versions right now seem mighty unstable and lacking months of work.
I am happily proven wrong.
Sörnäinen said:
Read Rovo89's statement.
It doesn't seem a project he has any time for, and the alpha versions right now seem mighty unstable and lacking months of work.
I am happily proven wrong.
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Any alpha is unstable, but it's working but need heavy polish.
As Rovo work.. i understand he doesen't have the time anymore.. but the forks are there to eventualy replace it if Rovo just can't have the time anymore.
Pupet_Master said:
Any alpha is unstable, but it's working but need heavy polish.
As Rovo work.. i understand he doesen't have the time anymore.. but the forks are there to eventualy replace it if Rovo just can't have the time anymore.
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Exactly.
I don't think it will happen, but if rovo89 doesn't have time or motivation anymore, the whole Xposed project maybe could fade over to the community.
I'm putting up a $1000 bounty right now for Xposed on Pie (have a Pixel 3) in the next 2 months.
If someone knows where I can deposit that in escrow, let me know. Otherwise it's here and sitting to be grabbed.
Don't know if it will help but it's a carrot on a stick to start
Awesome, I'm adding another 25 dollars
chrisf8657 said:
I'm putting up a $1000 bounty right now for Xposed on Pie (have a Pixel 3) in the next 2 months.
If someone knows where I can deposit that in escrow, let me know. Otherwise it's here and sitting to be grabbed.
Don't know if it will help but it's a carrot on a stick to start
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maxsteelvishak said:
Awesome, I'm adding another 25 dollars
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I'm broke so I can't donate all that much but for those that can, here's the official Xposed donation link. Hopefully it's okay with @rovo89 for me to post this.
chrisf8657 said:
I'm putting up a $1000 bounty right now for Xposed on Pie (have a Pixel 3) in the next 2 months.
If someone knows where I can deposit that in escrow, let me know. Otherwise it's here and sitting to be grabbed.
Don't know if it will help but it's a carrot on a stick to start
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Go here
https://www.bountysource.com/
You know that the code for Xposed for Oreo has not been published right? Bounty is not going to change anything because no one will write Xposed for Pie from scratch. Nobody except rovo89 can do something about it unless he publishes the source code. It would be better to contact him, check if he is still on it and then donate to him directly.
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You know that the code for Xposed for Oreo has not been published right? Bounty is not going to change anything because no one will write Xposed for Pie from scratch. Nobody except rovo89 can do something about it unless he publishes the source code. It would be better to contact him, check if he is still on it and then donate to him directly.
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He does not have the time. He that that money is not the issue. Better would be if he releases the code.
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He does not have the time. He that that money is not the issue. Better would be if he releases the code.
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He won't release the code, because the last time he did (for M), romracer and others built a half-assed version for N (which HELPED port all modules to N before the official release). He wants total control and this is not only meaning that Xposed is dead unless he returns full motivated, it also means that the latest releases sources are not available and who knows if rovo sold the mod to some malware deliver company (I believe and hope not, but this is just an scenario), which could use xposed as a malware rootkit (it has potential).
I mean, in the end, rovo has no time/motivation for this project and doesn't want to share it, so we're better off asuming it is dead forever.
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He won't release the code, because the last time he did (for M), romracer and others built a half-assed version for N (which HELPED port all modules to N before the official release). He wants total control and this is not only meaning that Xposed is dead unless he returns full motivated, it also means that the latest releases sources are not available and who knows if rovo sold the mod to some malware deliver company (I believe and hope not, but this is just an scenario), which could use xposed as a malware rootkit (it has potential).
I mean, in the end, rovo has no time/motivation for this project and doesn't want to share it, so we're better off asuming it is dead forever.
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All i know is that most moved on already. The only module i miss on my main phone is Kmod
@Pupet_Master is right imo! Only the "hardest" of the harcore users of android still want xposed.
People learned to live without it and the reality is that devs are losing interest in mantaining support for the "nevercoming" updates.
Dont get me wrong, I think that xposed gave kitkat, lollipop and marshmallow a much richer experience and performance, but after nougat, android itself started to implement thoose missing features so xposed started to be pointless, at least for me.
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@Pupet_Master is right imo! Only the "hardest" of the harcore users of android still want xposed.
People learned to live without it and the reality is that devs are losing interest in mantaining support for the "nevercoming" updates.
Dont get me wrong, I think that xposed gave kitkat, lollipop and marshmallow a much richer experience and performance, but after nougat, android itself started to implement thoose missing features so xposed started to be pointless, at least for me.
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It is not about features. I could do without every module except xprivacylua. I won't ever use Android without it. We clould try to gather a huge bounty to get somebody create something from scratch.
I would also donate at least 150$.
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It is not about features. I could do without every module except xprivacylua. I won't ever use Android without it. We clould try to gather a huge bounty to get somebody create something from scratch.
I would also donate at least 150$.
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I guess you do not have confidence in the apps that you have installed on your phone but yeah, maybe that's the most valid excuse for using xposed.
littlejonny17 said:
I guess you do not have confidence in the apps that you have installed on your phone but yeah, maybe that's the most valid excuse for using xposed.
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It is also a principle thing. These days you shouldn't trust anyone that has the possibility to collect data.
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It is not about features. I could do without every module except xprivacylua. I won't ever use Android without it. We clould try to gather a huge bounty to get somebody create something from scratch.
I would also donate at least 150$.
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Sorry but i don't get the logic of that.
First, bounty will mean nothing if the modules devs already moved on. 2nd let's face it, bounty also means nothing of no one is in touch with the only person that can make it happen, Rovo.
Also, custom ROMs do almost everything that Xposed used to do now days. Not to mention that Xposed isn't perfect. It allow modules to expand the framework of android, how ever, it bog down the performance.
There is an app called Wakeblock that do everything that an Xposed module would do but is stand alone. I see the old devs from Xposed modules moving on to this sort of thing.
I still, to be honest, don't get the logic of need Xposed and never use android without it if you literary miss no module from it except one that any LOS ROM based already do by default.
Any news on Xposed Pie, I'm missing great modules like exi, edge etc. I think I should downgrade to oreo
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I'm not going to donate that money as one poster posted, it's a bounty. Gets paid when someone does the job and claims it , but according to much more knowledgeable posters no source is available.
The only thing I miss is the gravity box tweaks. I'm rooted so any alternatives?
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I have many xposed modules that I can hardly live without. Instant face unlock is the one I used the most.
There is one thing that is impossible with Magisk, to the best of my knowledge, that is critical for me: Setting device locale (language) on a per-app basis. No, changing it before launching and then switching back on close is not an option. No, setting multiple locales does nothing useful, pretty much no apps use this feature, and especially the ones I need it for do not.
And no, custom roms can't do that either, and Google has been ignoring numerous requests to do that for a decade, because they discriminate against multilingual people, since multilingual people are not a nationality, which apparently makes it okay.
Ed Xposed can be used on Pie.Although some modules have compatibility issues. Link: https://github.com/solohsu/EdXposed
magisk does not have xposed module ?
chrisf8657 said:
I'm not going to donate that money as one poster posted, it's a bounty. Gets paid when someone does the job and claims it , but according to much more knowledgeable posters no source is available.
The only thing I miss is the gravity box tweaks. I'm rooted so any alternatives?
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Have you?
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