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Note 8 OS update warning issue...

Hi everybody, i have a problem about system os update. I do not want to update my os, it's very stable now. But note 8 OS, constantly warning me to update
Is there a way to cancel to update signals ( specially top on the settings widget, it's so annoying )
I did not try the bk package disabler. My friend says that program consumes to much battery, is it true ?
thank you,

ixuss40 said:
Hi everybody, i have a problem about system os update. I do not want to update my os, it's very stable now. But note 8 OS, constantly warning me to update
Is there a way to cancel to update signals ( specially top on the settings widget, it's so annoying )
I did not try the bk package disabler. My friend says that program consumes to much battery, is it true ?
thank you,
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Im using BK Disabler and do not consume to much battery..BK Disabler is the most safe way to stop os update.

android-incredible said:
Im using BK Disabler and do not consume to much battery..BK Disabler is the most safe way to stop os update.
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thank you so much, i will try to bk package disabler.

Be aware that you are subject to serious security vulnerabilities if you don't update your firmware. Some recent flaws let an attacker take over your phone without your having to do anything (you don't have to download anything or visit a sketchy website or whatever). Malware can be installed that steals your passwords, reads or sends emails or texts from your phone, turns on and streams from your mic or camera, etc.

It would be one thing if they provided information as to what was in the update, but there is never any info. Just a mysterious update that is forced on your device, even if you turn off automatic system updates. It really pisses me off when I spend $950 on a piece of equipment, and I get no say in what goes on it. Basically, I don't even own it. I'm just paying to use it, twice. So yeah, I'd also like to disable all this crap, and decide for myself what I install and when.

VoidWarranty said:
It would be one thing if they provided information as to what was in the update, but there is never any info. Just a mysterious update that is forced on your device, even if you turn off automatic system updates. It really pisses me off when I spend $950 on a piece of equipment, and I get no say in what goes on it. Basically, I don't even own it. I'm just paying to use it, twice. So yeah, I'd also like to disable all this crap, and decide for myself what I install and when.
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I think you are just looking at it wrong. Security updates/bug fixes are for your benefit. Not to break your device. They usually tell you what the update is or provide a more info link. But if you are curious just look it up. They aren't hiding anything. Your carrier is the one who finalizes and issues the update, it will be on their website. I am on T-Mobile and I have to check manually for an update before it will check the server. I know other carriers are different though. Some just push it. But either way it's stuff you are going to want. Especially since the next update is going to be Oreo. If you really don't want updates though it's not that hard to disable. Just figure out whatever app is responsible for checking the server and freeze it. Its all in your hands...

Gizmoe said:
I think you are just looking at it wrong. Security updates/bug fixes are for your benefit. Not to break your device. They usually tell you what the update is or provide a more info link. But if you are curious just look it up. They aren't hiding anything. Your carrier is the one who finalizes and issues the update, it will be on their website. I am on T-Mobile and I have to check manually for an update before it will check the server. I know other carriers are different though. Some just push it. But either way it's stuff you are going to want. Especially since the next update is going to be Oreo. If you really don't want updates though it's not that hard to disable. Just figure out whatever app is responsible for checking the server and freeze it. Its all in your hands...
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I'm on AT&T. They used to give you the option to look at info about the updates. They quit doing that a long time ago. I also haven't had much luck finding info on my own. I'm well aware that there are often security updates included. The point is, you have no idea what they are forcing you to install, and they no longer give you a choice. Or at least they try not to.
And, although I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and I know there is no evidence to support the popular claim that manufacturers and carriers purposely slow down your device to push you to buy new products, these companies exist for one purpose, which is to make money. How many times have businesses been caught doing things they claimed they weren't doing? Most recently Apple was caught slowing down older devices, though arguably with good reason.
And what if I'm perfectly happy with my device on Nougat, and don't want Oreo? The point is, the choice should be mine alone, and I should be provided the information to make that choice. I'm the one shelling out almost a grand for a device that will probably last 2 years, if I'm lucky. Hell, I paid $700 for a laptop, probably 4 or 5 years ago, and it still works like new. It just doesn't have all the latest technology, but it still functions as intended when I purchased it. So forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about my mobile device that slows down in less than a year, and is designed with no easily replaceable parts, like a battery. They want you to keep buying new ones. That's how they grow their business and make a profit.

VoidWarranty said:
I'm on AT&T. They used to give you the option to look at info about the updates. They quit doing that a long time ago. I also haven't had much luck finding info on my own. I'm well aware that there are often security updates included. The point is, you have no idea what they are forcing you to install, and they no longer give you a choice. Or at least they try not to.
And, although I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and I know there is no evidence to support the popular claim that manufacturers and carriers purposely slow down your device to push you to buy new products, these companies exist for one purpose, which is to make money. How many times have businesses been caught doing things they claimed they weren't doing? Most recently Apple was caught slowing down older devices, though arguably with good reason.
And what if I'm perfectly happy with my device on Nougat, and don't want Oreo? The point is, the choice should be mine alone, and I should be provided the information to make that choice. I'm the one shelling out almost a grand for a device that will probably last 2 years, if I'm lucky. Hell, I paid $700 for a laptop, probably 4 or 5 years ago, and it still works like new. It just doesn't have all the latest technology, but it still functions as intended when I purchased it. So forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical about my mobile device that slows down in less than a year, and is designed with no easily replaceable parts, like a battery. They want you to keep buying new ones. That's how they grow their business and make a profit.
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It has been well known in the tech industry for years that Apple slows devices. They just finally got caught and now it's gonna back fire. I have never read of Samsung doing the same. They are a hardware company at heart. Apple just sells phones. They NEED people to buy the new ones. Just look at how fragile their stock is with one flagship not doing well. They are too dependant on brand loyalty and conspicuous consumption. They have a motive. I haven't seen any reports over the years of Samsung doing the same. Samsung has many revenue streams and sell more phones world wide at numbers that dwarf Apple. I dont think they put any thought into slowing devices. There is no motive there. But if you are paranoid all the same. Then i suggest buying unlocked phones and running custom firmware.

Optimizing security, privacy, and encryption

I'm looking into getting a new phone and I really want to get a Note 9. However, everything that I see online points to the fact that apple is far better at security & privacy than android platforms are right now (especially with software updates addressing vulnerabilities). My question is, is it possible to root a Note 9 and choose a custom ROM that will offer a level of security & privacy that is on par with, or very close to, security on iOS?

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I'm looking into getting a new phone and I really want to get a Note 9. However, everything that I see online points to the fact that apple is far better at security & privacy than android platforms are right now (especially with software updates addressing vulnerabilities). My question is, is it possible to root a Note 9 and choose a custom ROM that will offer a level of security & privacy that is on par with, or very close to, security on iOS?
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Unfortunately, rooting your device does not provide more security. Rooting your device is in essence, circumventing the built in security of your device.
As far as Apple being more secure than Android, that is very debatable. And I am not just saying that because this is mostly an Android forum. In my humble opinion, the differences really are that Android tells you what apps are using your information, whereas iOS does not in full detail. Everyone keeps saying Apple is all about Privacy which is fine, but apps can still collect your information from within iOS even if you don't grant certain permission, and developers can still use your "app history" to sell you products. Huh?
Android literally collects all your sh...stuff. There's no sugar coating it. Google is a company that uses your data in return for you using their products(not physical items), for free. You can control permissions but unfortunately apps are now seeding information from other apps that have permission to that information already. So you can download an app that says it doesn't need to access anything about you or your device, because it's getting all that information from the other apps on the the device that do already.
Here's a few good reads:
Privacy Ish: https://www.symantec.com/blogs/threat-intelligence/mobile-privacy-apps
Security Ish: https://us.norton.com/internetsecurity-mobile-android-vs-ios-which-is-more-secure.html
If you want less of a chance of getting your stuff stolen hack wise, go with iOS.
Privacy wise though, you're out of luck. But I guess iOS is a little more "ethical" since Apple does not utilize an open source setup with iOS. :good:

(Turns out I can't quote you because I don't have enough posts to post links, and your post had links in it)
I appreciate the response. What makes you say both that you wouldn't consider that Apple is more secure than Android while also recommending if I want to be less likely to be hacked I should go iOS? Wouldn't that recommendation imply that iOS is more secure than even a rooted Android?
There's a helpful video I found on YouTube called "Android vs iOS: Which spies on you more?" (I can't use a hyperlink because I don't have enough posts, sorry) and suggests that iOS is far better. However if I were to root my phone, wipe all google apps, I should be able to avoid the pings to Google's servers right?

TheloniousDrunk said:
(Turns out I can't quote you because I don't have enough posts to post links, and your post had links in it)
I appreciate the response. What makes you say both that you wouldn't consider that Apple is more secure than Android while also recommending if I want to be less likely to be hacked I should go iOS? Wouldn't that recommendation imply that iOS is more secure than even a rooted Android?
There's a helpful video I found on YouTube called "Android vs iOS: Which spies on you more?" (I can't use a hyperlink because I don't have enough posts, sorry) and suggests that iOS is far better. However if I were to root my phone, wipe all google apps, I should be able to avoid the pings to Google's servers right?
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I couldn't get your message to load on the app so sorry for not responding.
I said both things because they are both "true." iOS has less vulnerabilities that we know of. Android has more vulnerabilities that we DO know of but is often classified as being less secure. It's kind of like how everyone says Mac is more secure than Windows. It's not 100% accurate because Mac is less popular, so there is a lower amount of usages in the market, so less likelyhood a Mac would get hacked or targeted.
As for the which one spies on you more, the argument could be made that Android offers more spying due to being mostly Open Source. I use that term lightly of course. iOS spies on you but as far as we know, ONLY to Apple and the apps in their App store since iOS is closed source.
Rooting the device will help you get rid of everything Google if you want, but you'll have to get your apps from other sources which WILL increase your risk of getting malware/spyware/adware/silverware...all the wares.
If you are really that concerned with privacy and security, iOS is the way to go as you only have to deal with one main evil, Apple's Appstore.
If you do decide to get the Note 9, get the international model as it has root and can be unlocked.

General ABOUT ALL THE PROBLEM YOU HAD/HAVE

Im so tired to read all the comment about bad things about this phone , i mean i personally doesnt habe the perfect phone , i came with some problems too but then i realize u will NEVER find this phone good enough when you only looking for it mistakes . Dude u should be happy own this phone , since the others can only dream for it . No phone is perfect ? You think iphone is better ? Or any other brand ? Well please use the others , and im sure you will do the same , you will found that all phones have their own problem , probably to make the phone perfect for you , you just have to accept what it is and be happy with it . Or buy a new phone that you consider better , and lets see did u complain too or no .
imo phone will get better in updates

As with everything else from phones to cars you'll only find people posting about the faults, you never get people posting about the good things. That's fine though.

Get better with updates?
You're in for some surprises.
Like a bad gf updates just keep giving

Well, tbh there's no such thing as perfect in this universe. Everything has flaws, flaws that make it unique.
Considering a phone, i believe, mobile companies tend to provide us with best of their hardware, however they do still lack behind when it comes to software. It may be appealing but it always lack certain features, tweaks, mods.
That is where custom roms comes in place.
We have Resurrection Remix - tweaking at it's extreme.
We have Lineage OS - stability at it's extreme.
For me, my perfect phone would be the flagship phone with a custom rom. What else you want huh? Consider Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G with Ressurection Remix, regardless of the fact that it has such a huge name XD.

I have bad delayed notification problems with my S21 Ultra.

felloffthetruck said:
I have bad delayed notification problems with my S21 Ultra.
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Try disabling -all- power management... destroyer of worlds
Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is active.
Be careful what apps you limit background data to and -don't- allow background battery usage as well.
It's most likely a settings misconfiguration... play with it.

I share the same feelings with this post. I think that moaning without really looking for any solution is useless.

eleven.co said:
Well, tbh there's no such thing as perfect in this universe. Everything has flaws, flaws that make it unique.
Considering a phone, i believe, mobile companies tend to provide us with best of their hardware, however they do still lack behind when it comes to software. It may be appealing but it always lack certain features, tweaks, mods.
That is where custom roms comes in place.
We have Resurrection Remix - tweaking at it's extreme.
We have Lineage OS - stability at it's extreme.
For me, my perfect phone would be the flagship phone with a custom rom. What else you want huh? Consider Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G with Ressurection Remix, regardless of the fact that it has such a huge name XD.
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Where did you find ressurection and lineage for the s21? :O

babyboy3265 said:
Where did you find ressurection and lineage for the s21? :O
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Lol, there aren't any atm. But, but. They will be in near future. So, you know, it will be really fun.

eleven.co said:
Lol, there aren't any atm. But, but. They will be in near future. So, you know, it will be really fun.
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Yea for sure... Only sadly the cameras wouldn't function at their max potential... Which kinda makes the mentioned roms unnecessary. :/

babyboy3265 said:
Yea for sure... Only sadly the cameras wouldn't function at their max potential... Which kinda makes the mentioned roms unnecessary. :/
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Yea. You are right. They should import the stock camera apps in those roms for that to work.

blackhawk said:
Try disabling -all- power management... destroyer of worlds
Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is active.
Be careful what apps you limit background data to and -don't- allow background battery usage as well.
It's most likely a settings misconfiguration... play with it.
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Thanks, I've already done of this with no positive results at all.

felloffthetruck said:
Thanks, I've already done of this with no positive results at all.
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Keep playing with it. Took me close to a year to fully sort out my Note 10+.
It runs extremely well now.

I have the perfect smartphone!
Does it have an SD card slot?
Yes!
Is it micro-SD format?
Yes
Does it support up to 1TB of SD memory?
Yes!
Does it support UFS 3.1?
Yes!
Is the SD slot on the bottom of the phone?
Yes! ... ?
Can the SD card be inserted face down?
No...? Why?
Doesn't sound perfect to me. My last phone before my last phone allowed you to insert the SD card upside down!
It's not the phones or the manufacturers, it's us!

Hi guys! I'm a new user of s21 Ultra. My last Android phone was LG G2.
I am using the Snapdragon version. The stock camera, the image it produce has too much contrast and doesn't seem natural to me. I am a hobbyist photographer so I could say what is good or what. And it isn't for me.
My version is up to date. All software update installed. Am i missing something here or it is what it is?

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Hi guys! I'm a new user of s21 Ultra. My last Android phone was LG G2.
I am using the Snapdragon version. The stock camera, the image it produce has too much contrast and doesn't seem natural to me. I am a hobbyist photographer so I could say what is good or what. And it isn't for me.
My version is up to date. All software update installed. Am i missing something here or it is what it is?
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Check your display settings>screen mode.
Not sure what your options are but the "natural" setting produces truer rendering.
The vivid mode looks way oversaturated.
You may have more options in Developer options but probably not.

blackhawk said:
Check your display settings>screen mode.
Not sure what your options are but the "natural" setting produces truer rendering.
The vivid mode looks way oversaturated.
You may have more options in Developer options but probably not.
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Hello, thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, i am only using the "Natural" option. There is just too much noise on the image even though there is enough light not to force the phone to use high ISO.

marshygeek said:
Hello, thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, i am only using the "Natural" option. There is just too much noise on the image even though there is enough light not to force the phone to use high ISO.
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Try resetting camera data and clearing system cache.
Any case or cover that could be interfering?
Otherwise it may be a firmware or hardware issue.

SOLUTION TO DELAYED-NOTIFICATIONS:
Enable USB debugging on the phone.
You just unzip the file provided here in your PC: https://www.xda-developers.com/install-adb-windows-macos-linux/
Navigate to it via terminal.
Then, after you connect the phone to your PC, run:
./adb devices
./adb shell dumpsys deviceidle disable
That'll fix it for sure.
I simply cannot recommend Android to my normie friends and family.
Let me restate this: It is not our job to fix Google's bugs.
This is a US-centric view.
If you can't tell: I am a bit aggravated right now.
I could not get my GMail, GCal, and other notifications to come through properly on Pixel 5's Android 11 OR S21 Ultra's Android 11.
This has apparently been an issue that many an Android user suffers through silently -- and, some don't even know that this is happening to them. I guess they're embarrassed to publicly state that their mobile OS is subpar.
When you get an e-mail or if a calendar event reminder is coming up, and even if your phone's screen is OFF/locked: you should get an *instant* notification. No delay whatsoever.
Well, if my screen was off/locked, I wouldn't get these notifications or it would take 10+ minutes to show. But, once I unlocked my phone: boom, notifications. And, sometimes even if my screen wasn't locked, there would be a serious delay or no notification.
After spending loads of time trying to fix this problem, me and my friend finally stumbled upon a solution: ./adb shell dumpsys deviceidle disable
A reboot eliminates this setting modification, by the way.
Do not tell me that instant e-mail notifications are not necessary. Many of us work jobs that require them to be instant.
No end user should ever have to go through this. iPhone users certainly don't go through this.
If Google doesn't care about Android users, then, why should I, as an Android user, care about Android too? Just switch to iPhone, I guess.
Google pays Apple $10bn+ every year and makes better software for iOS than it does for Android.
Just look at the damn widgets that iOS users get.
So, $10bn/year plus the cost of the software developed to cater to iOS users.
This makes Google a simp cuck to Apple, nothing else.
Would Apple ever return this favor? No.
Therefore, Google management is a simp cucked by Apple, nothing more.
We are fools to be using this OS.
If Google is willing to subsidize my iOS software updates and experience to the tune of billions of dollars every single year -- then, why not just switch?
Clearly, my experience has shown me that Android can be cheaper -- if I don't value my time.
Statistic after statistic bears it out: iPhone users are wealthier.
I am tired of being an Android luser -- why should I take on such abuse and neglect by the main author of my mobile OS?
Before you start patronizing me: YES, I tried every other bloody trick in the book to fix this issue.
No end user should ever have to go through this! No end user should have to run adb commands to enable basic functionality.
There are some basic things that modern smartphones should just be able to do: instant notifications, 3rd party camera support, functioning RCS or some other form of E2EE messaging built-in, reliable local backups, a nationwide network of repair facilities, etc.
Android fails on all of these.
iPhone ordered. Glad to leave this Android ghetto behind.
Hey Google, if you have some self-respect: then, instead of paying Apple $10bn an year and doing iOS development, how about you actually work on some basic Android functionality instead?

nixnixnixnix4 said:
I simply cannot recommend Android to my normie friends and family.
No end user should ever have to go through this! No end user should have to run adb commands to enable basic functionality.
There are some basic things that modern smartphones should just be able to do: instant notifications, 3rd party camera support, functioning RCS or some other form of E2EE messaging built-in, reliable local backups, a nationwide network of repair facilities, etc.
Android fails on all of these.
iPhone ordered. Glad to leave this Android ghetto behind.
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Wish you all the best, and a happy life with your new iPhone. Life is short and there's no point putting up with what you hate.
I can see you're really upset about a lot of stuff on Android. You do make some very valid points about what's broken in Android. And I guess any of those can trigger a person ebough to make them switch to iOS. But I think it also has something to do with the user's requirement and not the OS alone. If there was just one "best" OS, nobody would spend more than a thousand dollars on an alternative. It's good to have a choice, and in your case, I'm glad you've exercised that in favor of what you think with add more value to your life.
I've had both iPhones and Android phones for years and both of them offer 90% of the same functions that you'd expect from a good smartphone. The remaining 10% is where you have to make a choice. There are many things to choose from: stability vs experimental features, customisation vs familiarity, update cycle, longevity, resale value, tinker-ability (I know that's not a word ), app support (there are some apps that only support one or the other OS), and the list goes on.
My childhood friend and me bought matching MacBook Pros when we jumped ship into the Apple ecosystem with an iPhone and an iPad. We were "sick" of android, and wanted a taste of the premium life that the fruit promised to offer. Five years on, he still uses all his Apple gadgets and has added a homepod, an apple watch and airpods to his growing apple inventory, whilst upgrading the the latest idevices every two years. Me on the other hand, went from MacOS to a bootcamped Windows installation after a year of purchase and don't even boot into MacOS unless I have to use Final Cut Pro. My workflow goes best with Windows, no matter how good MacOS may be. On the other hand, his doesn't - he's completely iin love with the Apple way, and that's fine.
Same with iOS. I kept the iPhone for 2 years before trading it in for a OnePlus because I hated being told that there was a "correct" way of doing something and only that way was allowed. I couldn't live with an OS that denied me access to my device's filesystem! That, in my opinion is a basic requirement - but this may not be the case for everyone. I like a robust notification system and I've found the Android implementation head and shoulders above what Apple offers. I like third party app stores and the ability to sideload apps on my phone. I can't get that on iOS. And the best part - if I don't like something on Android, it's possible I can fix it with some workaround (like the one you posted). I agree with you that no end user should have to do that, but regardless, it can be done if you want to. No such possibility exists on the other side of the fence. So I chose to live with the shortcomings of Android as opposed to the shortcomings of iOS - simply becasuse the former were more acceptable to me than the latter, not because Android is better or worse that iOS. It just offers me what "I" want in a mobile operating system.
It may be the opposite in the next person's case - someone who values the other side of the equation more, like yourself. That's why it's good to have a choice.
But i sincerely believe that it's not so bad on the Android side of things. It is a very versatile and stable operating system offering a lot of flexibility and customisability on par with a full fleged desktop class operating system. In the end, it boils down to a blend of the OS and the user, not either one in isolation.
I wish you the best with your new device. They are arguably beautiful pieces of technology. Have fun!
Hope to see you back on XDA in the future.

Question Things i will lose if i root my s21 ultra

Hello friends
as the title says what exactly i will lose if i root my device (S21Ultra exynos) ? All i know knox will be tripped. What exactly happens to it? Can i still get updates when im in stock version? I heard like some samsung apps stop working is there a way to bypass them?

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Well if you're in the US you lose warranty... that could get expensive. Given there's no track record for that phone yet and that all the variable refresh rate displays suffer a greater failure rate... you could be painting yourself into a corner. I keep it stock for at least a few months.
Personally my opinion is, I have two stock Note 10+'s that are optimized and run great. I don't update them. They are Snapdragon's which are notoriously hard to root.
It's simply not worth the risk of bricking them or the trouble. As they are they will last for years will minimal maintenance.

Many banks apps or payments apps won't work
No chance of trading your phone in and if you want to sell it privately its value is lower

blackhawk said:
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Well if you're in the US you lose warranty... that could get expensive. Given there's no track record for that phone yet and that all the variable refresh rate displays suffer a greater failure rate... you could be painting yourself into a corner. I keep it stock for at least a few months.
Personally my opinion is, I have two stock Note 10+'s that are optimized and run great. I don't update them. They are Snapdragon's which are notoriously hard to root.
It's simply not worth the risk of bricking them or the trouble. As they are they will last for years will minimal maintenance.
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Thankss

alessandro_xda said:
Many banks apps or payments apps won't work
No chance of trading your phone in and if you want to sell it privately its value is lower
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What about samsung apps? If so, can i bypass it?

How about I root my phone...change csc and flash back the stock rom.
Still samsung apps won't work ?

In addition to Banking apps, Samsung Pass and Samsung Heath won't work. Secure Folder will also be gone.
Flashing stock rom will not repare it.
Some tricks (eg root masking) may allow certain apps to be used.
The question is more: what does one really gain by rooting the phone...

OnnoJ said:
In addition to Banking apps, Samsung Pass and Samsung Heath won't work. Secure Folder will also be gone.
Flashing stock rom will not repare it.
Some tricks (eg root masking) may allow certain apps to be used.
The question is more: what does one really gain by rooting the phone...
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Having access for everything? System files, etc...i know you can have some of it with ADB. you will be able to customize apps for example with Xposed modules.

Great thread!
This is the first phone I've owned where I'm actually OK being without root. Using Adb Appcontrol, I was able to debloat the snot outta this phone and have exceptional performance & battery life on A11. It's tempting to root, but the tradeoffs seem a little high this go around. I'm staying unrooted.

burnxtc said:
Great thread!
This is the first phone I've owned where I'm actually OK being without root. Using Adb Appcontrol, I was able to debloat the snot outta this phone and have exceptional performance & battery life on A11. It's tempting to root, but the tradeoffs seem a little high this go around. I'm staying unrooted.
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If you could disable scoped storage by rooting it might be worth it, but not sure it's possible to do even in a rooted phone.
Prior to the Gookill scoped storage turd dropping you could get good functionality with a stock Samsung running on Android 9 and a bit less so with Android 10 by optimizing it.
Android 12 is very restrictive and authoritarian... no one likes a big sister.

blackhawk said:
If you could disable scoped storage by rooting it might be worth it, but not sure it's possible to do even in a rooted phone.
Prior to the Gookill scoped storage turd dropping you could get good functionality with a stock Samsung running on Android 9 and a bit less so with Android 10 by optimizing it.
Android 12 is very restrictive and authoritarian... no one likes a big sister.
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Totally with you on this. And with you on your prior comments of not taking updates. For the last 20 years or so, I've always been on the cusp of firmware, driver, software etc. updates but lately? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My current build (4AUJ7) is nearly flawless. Only things I miss are the stock camera updates & battery configuration abilities. I've learned to live without them.

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Totally with you on this. And with you on your prior comments of not taking updates. For the last 20 years or so, I've always been on the cusp of firmware, driver, software etc. updates but lately? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My current build (4AUJ7) is nearly flawless. Only things I miss are the stock camera updates & battery configuration abilities. I've learned to live without them.
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Any more updates seem like more giving shiny trinkets to the native girls... than giving real tangible benefits for all the trouble they will bring.
Google hype of evolving vulnerabilities is sounding more like the covid bs hype every day.
In actual usage with care, Pie remains relatively secure. This N10+ in my hand OS load will be 2 yo in June with minimal maintenance, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. I keep wifi disabled (not needed), use Karma Firewall, Package Disabler, use only vetted apps, keep email in the cloud, and hawk all downloads which are kept in the download folder until vetted.
All thing users should be doing anyway; a currently updated Android doesn't mean you're impervious to malware at all. Most users install the malware themselves inadvertently by ineptitude. No WhatsApp, Tic-tok, FB or any trashware on my N10+'s!!!
I'm still slowly shaking down the new N10+ running on Android 10, it will never be upgraded more than likely. My impression so far is it's less capable than the Pie variant but usable.
Android 11 and certainly 12 would break it.
No trinkets are worth that... I'm prepared to do a factory reset at anytime if needed.
The fact that I am and have a hair trigger on the nuke option affords me a zero tolerance for any malware that can't be fully eradicated within an hour or two.
Any odd behavior is easy to spot because I'm not constantly changing the playing field with updates/upgrades; I know exactly how this load behaves. It's expendable but the critical data is not which is why that is redundantly backed up with multiple time staggered backups on multiple isolated drives.
I'm not one bit pleased with either Samsung's or Google Android's products in the last 2-3 years; they suck. This 3 yo N10+ is only marginally slower then the S22U and in some instances faster. It has better SOT/screen off battery life, expandable storage (data drive!), a better color rendering index/white point, and a proven track record of reliability. It has a better form factor, higher display bevel ratio and is a better looking phone. It's usability and functionality on Android 9/10 exceeds all the newer Samsung flagships.
WTF Samsung, Gookill? blah, keep your trinkets, no sale!
Feel the wuv...

lunatix01 said:
Hello friends
as the title says what exactly i will lose if i root my device (S21Ultra exynos) ? All i know knox will be tripped. What exactly happens to it? Can i still get updates when im in stock version? I heard like some samsung apps stop working is there a way to bypass them?
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Perderai tutte le funzionalità di SamsungPass!!!
Mod translation via GT: You will lose all the features of Samsung Pass !!!

Double Noob

Hi to all and thanks to Contributor and Moderator Tom and Andrew for the welcome.
Not only am I a Noob to to XDA but also a Noob to Android, so I have a lot to learn and being older in years that should be interesting (not).
I was recently given a Motorola Moto G6 (ali xt1925-4, single SIM) to replace my older gas driven Lumia 610 Windows 7.5 Phone.
Much to my disgust I realised that Android devices typically have a rather short support life and with the device no longer being supported by OS or security updates, I decided to have a go at replacing its Android 9 (Pie) OS with something more recent.
After much trial and even more error I managed to install PixelExperience_Plus_ali-12.1 (Android 12) using TWRP 3.7 without bricking the phone, though I think I came close on a few occasions.
For the most part the install seems to have worked, however, there are a few glitches but I'll ask about these in the appropriate section(s) on the forum.

Welcome to XDA.
Lol, you made a Android rookie mistake... in my opinion. I run 2 N10+'s, one on Pie the other 10. Both are running on what they came loaded with new. The oldest one hasn't been updated for over 3 years, deliberately.
It's current load is over 2 5 yo, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. No malware is all that time; security is not an issue. I prefer Pie over Android 10; more functional and easier to troubleshoot. I value my N10+'s and neither will be upgraded beyond their current firmware for the rest of their service lives more than likely. They run like bats out of hell... what's not to like?
Now for the really bad news CPU cycle sucking scoped storage is fully active on Android 11 and 12. You can likely roll back from 12 to 11 but not back to 10. Many have rolled back from 12, feel the wuv.
Samsung updates and firmware upgrades can and do break devices especially true near the end of the devices support cycle. Samsung has been do this for many years. Anything from Android 9 and up are relatively secure for real time use; security isn't a reason to upgrade.
In the future look before you leap. Again my opinion from what Samsung has taught me... Rule #1 - if the firmware is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be! You have little to gain and a lot to lose especially in terms of time.
Androids are easy to learn; just play with it and read about it as needed. A steep learning curve but playing makes perfect.
Always redundantly backup critical data to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC or eventually you will lose data. Write down your Google account password. Learn how Google FRP works so you don't get locked out of your device.

blackhawk said:
Welcome to XDA.
Lol, you made a Android rookie mistake... in my opinion.
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Now for the really bad news CPU cycle sucking scoped storage is fully active on Android 11 and 12.
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Way over my head I'm afraid.
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You can likely roll back from 12 to 11 but not back to 10.
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Motorola provide a rescue app that reinstalls the last official upgrade. I've already used this when I thought I had bricked the phone so all may not be lost if Android 12 proves to problematic. If all else fails I can always frame it and put on the wall
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Anything from Android 9 and up are relatively secure for real time use; security isn't a reason to upgrade.
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That's interesting but is contrary to much of what I've read; however a lot of what I've read has likely been biased to encourage buying a new device not extending the life of an old one.
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In the future look before you leap.
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No fun in that especially when it's cold and raining outside.
blackhawk said:
You have little to gain and a lot to lose especially in terms of time.
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I'm retired
blackhawk said:
Androids are easy to learn; just play with it and read about it as needed. A steep learning curve but playing makes perfect.
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The main reason for the upgrade was to learn - rather than to use. Playing with it is the object of the exercise.

Whatever gives you kicks. Personally I use whatever works best to fulfill the mission.
I want minimal downtime and zero critical data loss. I'm retired as well but don't enjoy chasing my tail for Google. Same games as MS. No.
Lol, you should move to Texas. Warmer. In the 60's today and sunny.
No personal property tax after you reach 70, with a reduction once you reach 65. No personal state income tax.

blackhawk said:
Whatever gives you kicks. Personally I use whatever works best to fulfill the mission.
I want minimal downtime and zero critical data loss. I'm retired as well but don't enjoy chasing my tail for Google. Same games as MS. No.
Lol, you should move to Texas. Warmer. In the 60's today and sunny.
No personal property tax after you reach 70, with a reduction once you reach 65. No personal state income tax.
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Warm, sunny and reduced taxes..........lovely