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Pretty amazing how ATT absolutely killed this phone

First the locked bootloader, next they make us the last among the s5's to get lollipop by a long shot. Definitely will be cautious when I upgrade and it will likely be to another carrier.
In hindsight, I should have learned my lesson with the Optimus G. Another great phone they ruined
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abraxo said:
First the locked bootloader, next they make us the last among the s5's to get lollipop by a long shot. Definitely will be cautious when I upgrade and it will likely be to another carrier.
In hindsight, I should have learned my lesson with the Optimus G. Another great phone they ruined
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This really is nothing new..my job has AT&T and the S3 was months behind all the other carriers in the 4.x updates. The only time they were close was that big Samsung Christmas rush to make all phones Gear compatible...other than that OTAs are far and few between.

abraxo said:
First the locked bootloader, next they make us the last among the s5's to get lollipop by a long shot. Definitely will be cautious when I upgrade and it will likely be to another carrier.
In hindsight, I should have learned my lesson with the Optimus G. Another great phone they ruined
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not sure if it can ruin a phone with awesome hardware out of the gate... if you are basing it solely on not receiving updates quickly then sure..
the locked bl is a pain but any phone person knows its best to wait and see if a device gets unlocked before purchasing it or its in turn partly your fault as well. You cant blame a carrier for making their devices to use on their network more secure for them.
i do agree it sucks, but its the way the cookie crumbles.. i am moving on from verizon s5 to another device that will b unlocked but its bcuz i like unlocked bl not bcuz of verizon as i cant blame them
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Bootloader locked is fine, but we dont even have lollipop yet when all others do, which isnt a samsung issue, its directly an att issue. To me thats crap! All over the world its been out and we dont have a date announced yet.......never getting att again for sure. 5.1 is even out today lmao

We might get 5.1 on att somt me after 6.0 comes out
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Based on the issues with lollipop I've heard about, maybe it's not a bad thing we're still on KK.

Russ77 said:
Based on the issues with lollipop I've heard about, maybe it's not a bad thing we're still on KK.
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I've been through the variants of 5.x on my Nexus 7 and it's not been worth it. Maybe 5.1 will play out, too early to tell. I'd despise wasting the hardware resources of the GS5 to make up for bugs, just to pretty up the UI. I'd much rather have a stable base for something that I rely upon for *functionality* that while not life threatening is surely life inconveniencing when it's not working properly.

What disappoints me so much is that I had an s2 as well as an s3 on att and the dev communities there were amazing. I guess att locked the bl so that idiots don't brick the phone but they really killed off something great.
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What disappoints me so much is that I had an s2 as well as an s3 on att and the dev communities there were amazing. I guess att locked the bl so that idiots don't brick the phone but they really killed off something great.
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It's all about the money... they locked it for "corporate users" such as government agancies, businesses etc. Now anyone can buy it without worrying about security for the most part

Y'all should have got the phone through cricket, they are owned by AT&T and they left the boot loader unlocked. I'm surprised more ppl don't know about it

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Based on the issues with lollipop I've heard about, maybe it's not a bad thing we're still on KK.
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+3 on this.
I'm with Verizon and wish I never would've taken the 5.0 update. Phone is now slower, battery doesn't last, laggy, constant "contacts stopped working" message.
Also, once you update you are basically stuck with the issues.
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Funny how there's always something to complain about [emoji122]

My experience with the Galaxy S5 on ATT has led me to vow not to get stuck in this position again. I got it on black friday for 9 cents on black friday on a contract, but never again. Nexus 6 or HTC in the future, I want a wide variety of ROMS to choose from and fast updates!

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My experience with the Galaxy S5 on ATT has led me to vow not to get stuck in this position again. I got it on black friday for 9 cents on black friday on a contract, but never again. Nexus 6 or HTC in the future, I want a wide variety of ROMS to choose from and fast updates!
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I swore up and down I would do the same when I had the Galaxy S3. Somehow or another I bought the S5 and forgot. Now I'm kicking myself.

I definitely won't be doing the att route come next year
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Man, they even updated the Note 4 already

Cccrrrriiiccckkkeeetttttt

I'd love to replace it with something that has an unlocked BL. Preferably Nexus the only issue is that not having MicroSD is a deal breaker for me.

Sell it and get the s5 from cricket!

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Sell it and get the s5 from cricket!
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Cricket Wireless is even worse, though - they have no VoLTE/"HD voice", no Wi-Fi calling and no plans to enable these features on their network in any city any time soon.

Marshmellow coming in January 2016

It will probably take longer for vzw versions, but at least we know the order it is being released as well as approximate time.

Wonderful, us VZW guys aren't even on the list. Thanks Obama

I guess there is no love for the Galaxy Note Pro. At least my S6 Edge is getting it.

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I guess there is no love for the Galaxy Note Pro. At least my S6 Edge is getting it.
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I feel ya, I have a Galaxy Tab S 10.5.

Is the UK the same?

Sooooooo any updates on this?

Syn Ack said:
Sooooooo any updates on this?
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I haven't seen anything further. But I did install the free Marshmallow theme from the theme store.

One of my friends received Android 6.0 on his Boost Mobile LG Stylo today. Not bad for a $179 phone!

i see marshmallow has been out for a bit now for the s6 edge. how is there no tar for those of us who would like to try it out?
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It has not been released by Verizon yet.
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giobotta said:
i see marshmallow has been out for a bit now for the s6 edge. how is there no tar for those of us who would like to try it out?
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Google does the update and then sends it to Samsung for testing. IF Samsung decides the update is worthy and fits into their business plan for the life of the phone, they will test the update and correct things that are specific to the S6. IF that is completed then they send the update to Verizon, who in turn, decides if it fits in their business plan and the planned end of life for the product. If Verizon decides to pass it along then they update the code with their specifics and then they release it to the phones.
All of that has to go good before we knaves might see an update.
Unfortunately Android updates and timeline does not fit into the end of life plans for phones by the carriers. That is why we usually only get one or two updates.

Just saw this while searching online tonight.
http://www.mobipicker.com/galaxy-s6-s6-edge-s6-edge-s5-note5-note-4-android-marshmallow-update/
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It is no February 1st no Marshmellow

You guys know it's Marshmallow... with an A, not an E... right? Seems like something spell check should have warned you of...

Don't suppose anyone's heard anything for us VZW guys in terms of getting any updates, have they? About to list my phone on swappa and try to get something else... Not having root access or the ability to even really play with my phone is making this phone kinda boring to me. That and i'm not as much of a fan of the edge screen as I thought i'd be

spadz93 said:
Don't suppose anyone's heard anything for us VZW guys in terms of getting any updates, have they? About to list my phone on swappa and try to get something else... Not having root access or the ability to even really play with my phone is making this phone kinda boring to me. That and i'm not as much of a fan of the edge screen as I thought i'd be
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If you do get a new phone I strongly suggest you get the Nexus 6. A bunch of support and you can unlock the boot loader and get any ROM you want it's awesome. I've been loving mine!

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If you do get a new phone I strongly suggest you get the Nexus 6. A bunch of support and you can unlock the boot loader and get any ROM you want it's awesome. I've been loving mine!
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Yeah it's a catch between the nexus 6 and the turbo 2 if I decide to move away. The turbo 2 in terms of hardware is slightly superior, but unfortunately it seems like it's suffering the same fate as my current phone
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spadz93 said:
Yeah it's a catch between the nexus 6 and the turbo 2 if I decide to move away. The turbo 2 in terms of hardware is slightly superior, but unfortunately it seems like it's suffering the same fate as my current phone
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Yeah so I've heard. Definitely would recommend the Nexus 6 as I'm using it right now and its amazing but its your choice. Price wise its pretty cheap too. Got mine for $225 on swappa

Starting to roll out from Samsung. Verizon will likely take forever to send it out though....

Another bit of a tease http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/16/samsung_starts_marshmallow_upgrades/

When Marshmallow does get here...what then?

Between Verizon's (relatively) recently unlocked bootloader, systemless root in the Super betas and Marshmallow update, would updating be worth it when it gets here or should we hold out for 5.x to get rooted? Is there a chance Marshmallow will be easier to root? Should we just give in to mediocrity and live without root because we unwittingly bought the wrong phone?
I'm asking so we have a chance to get the discussion going since we are on the veritable cusp of the update we're all waiting for. I'm really hoping 6 is a little easier to root or that they'll relax security since this will probably be the last big update we get for a while.

One question is what is it that you need root for?

6 is nowhere near the biggest update for a while, you seen N? As for easier rooting, info there as well, that's why systemless root was made because it was impossible otherwise.
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Rakuu said:
6 is nowhere near the biggest update for a while, you seen N? As for easier rooting, info there as well, that's why systemless root was made because it was impossible otherwise.
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N looks huge, but I tend to side with OP on this. Our phone is 2 years old, I think Marshmallow will be our last major update. I can't see Samsung and AT&T giving us N.
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N looks huge, but I tend to side with OP on this. Our phone is 2 years old, I think Marshmallow will be our last major update. I can't see Samsung and AT&T giving us N.
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My point still stands, MM will not come any easier to root unless att intentionally exposes some way to root it in their update which I don't see them doing ever.
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One question is what is it that you need root for?
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My point still stands, MM will not come any easier to root unless att intentionally exposes some way to root it in their update which I don't see them doing ever.
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My hope is that with the newer operating system there may be more unpatched security exploits. Either way, will M be worth not having root? I'd rather wait around for a working root for the versions we are on now than settle for an okay operating system.
Will system less root be implemented by out phones? I figured that was a stretch because of our bootloader.

Yeah, really good question... will Chainfire's systemless root work on our S5 with Marshmallow?

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Yeah, really good question... will Chainfire's systemless root work on our S5 with Marshmallow?
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Does it work on our s5 with lollipop? No it won't from what we know at this time, it requires modifying the kernel image I believe, so it won't work, rooting became a lot harder on a lot of devices with M.
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I wouldn't bet on it. AT&T likely won't be releasing N on our phone (look at how slow they're at pushing Marshmallow. Being the phone has now been out for 2 years, they won't be putting any more resources into the phone.
As for the bootloader, HAH. It's not going to get any easier to unlock, even more so that developers are turning to working on unlocking newer phones that are now in use; and AT&T certainly won't be unlocking it for us. They'd rather you buy a new phone from them.

QuillOmega0 said:
...AT&T certainly won't be unlocking it for us. They'd rather you buy a new phone from them.
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I call their bluff and will switch to Project Fi as soon as my contract is over :laugh: I think they have made enough off of me over the last decade.

QuillOmega0 said:
As for the bootloader, HAH. It's not going to get any easier to unlock, even more so that developers are turning to working on unlocking newer phones that are now in use; and AT&T certainly won't be unlocking it for us. They'd rather you buy a new phone from them.
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I understand it won't get easier. I just don't understand why it is so much more difficult than the S6 or S7. I would expect those models to be more resilient due to the fact that they are currently being much more supported by their manufacturers and carriers. Otherwise, why would they have changed things to make it easier to root and, therefor, less secure on the newer models? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Either they are intentionally trying to give us easier root as an incentive to upgrade, which I doubt, or a root for the s5 should be doable because it isn't as ironclad as they want us to think.

Every American carrier has released Marshmallow except for good ol' AT&T...

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Every American carrier has released Marshmallow except for good ol' AT&T...
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Wouldn't expect anything less. I remember on my windows phone back on the mango update they acted like they ere going to release it... then never did, luckily in that case I could side load it.
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it just got released for verizon yesterday..?

four loko said:
it just got released for verizon yesterday..?
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Verizon != Att
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So is note 7 Rom developing coming to am end?

Just wanted to see if devs are still going to be developing for this device with all the issues that are STILL happening apparently. It's such a shame because I absolutely love this phone. TEKs and OVERDRIVE roms looked real promising. I would just to keep a phone for 2 years if of developing is going to die off.

well considering a 2nd recall by samsung will most likely happen within the next few days according to t-mo. i would say the development for the n7 is done period. i got a feeling the n7 won't be back on the market after this either. samsung will probably scrap em all and move on to the s8 or even the note8 which will most likely need to be renamed as this whole thing has literally damaged the notes name.

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well considering a 2nd recall by samsung will most likely happen within the next few days according to t-mo. i would say the development for the n7 is done period. i got a feeling the n7 won't be back on the market after this either. samsung will probably scrap em all and move on to the s8 or even the note8 which will most likely need to be renamed as this whole thing has literally damaged the notes name.
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Do you playing keep it for now or you planning get otter phone?

OvrDriVE said:
well considering a 2nd recall by samsung will most likely happen within the next few days according to t-mo. i would say the development for the n7 is done period. i got a feeling the n7 won't be back on the market after this either. samsung will probably scrap em all and move on to the s8 or even the note8 which will most likely need to be renamed as this whole thing has literally damaged the notes name.
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Last person out,turn off the lights......................
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...an-internal-stop-sale-order-for-galaxy-note7/

A true bummer, I really don't want another phone but I guess I don't have a choice. Back to a note 4 I guess until a note 8 gets released which might not even happen. I've been a note holder since the note 2 (except a note5 which I wasnt impressed with)

black96ss said:
A true bummer, I really don't want another phone but I guess I don't have a choice. Back to a note 4 I guess until a note 8 gets released which might not even happen. I've been a note holder since the note 2 (except a note5 which I wasnt impressed with)
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The Note4 is my daily driver again, took back my replacement Note 7 yesterday.
It's basically got all the functionality where it really matters, the S-Pen.
The other features that were heavily marketed were of no consequence to me.
I definitely notice the difference between the two as for overall performance, but, it's not an awful experience by any stretch.
Throw your ROM of choice on the Note4 & ya got yourself a very comparable experience.

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The Note4 is my daily driver again, took back my replacement Noòte 7 yesterday.
It's basically got all the functionality where it really matters, the S-Pen.
The other features that were heavily marketed were of no consequence to me.
I definitely notice the difference between the two as for overall performance, but, it's not an awful experience by any stretch.
Throw your ROM of choice on the Note4 & ya got yourself a very comparable experience.
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My phone before this was actually a note 4 and the only reason I went to a note 7 was because my phone was stolen. I was running abstrak rom (now discontinued). I'm probably going to see what mm roms they have for it now. Since I have to purchase another note 4, it will probably be on mm and I dont even know if it's rootable. My old note 3 and 4 were excellent phones, it just pisses me off that Samsung stops updates for older phones basically forcing you to upgrade phones. That being said, I'm sure the note 4 will never get a future update.

And, lights out.......
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/09/sams...ended-production-of-galaxy-note-7-report.html

Wait a minute, the lights are flicking. Nobody has turned the off yet.....

rogerandgina said:
Wait a minute, the lights are flicking. Nobody has turned the off yet.....
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I second that

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Wait a minute, the lights are flicking. Nobody has turned the off yet.....
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I second that
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You guys believe a Note 7 V3 will ship with rootable firmware?
I seriously doubt it, we caught a lucky break on this one & some on V2 were left out in the cold w/a phone dead for development.
It's a nice phone without root, Package Disabler apps help a lot,along with a decent Ad Blocker, but, not enough for Round 3 on the exact same phone.
I'll check in on the next iteration,the Note 8,or whatever they'll call it.....

KOLIOSIS said:
You guys believe a Note 7 V3 will ship with rootable firmware?
I seriously doubt it, we caught a lucky break on this one & some on V2 were left out in the cold w/a phone dead for development.
It's a nice phone without root, Package Disabler apps help a lot,along with a decent Ad Blocker, but, not enough for Round 3 on the exact same phone.
I'll check in on the next iteration,the Note 8,or whatever they'll call it.....
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So are you moving to something else, if so what phone

ocliffstud said:
So are you moving to something else, if so what phone
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I've got a T-Mobile Note4, a perfectly decent daily driver.
However, I'm a recovering phone ho', the LG V20 is next on my list (returned my Note7 V2 for a refund two days ago)

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I've got a T-Mobile Note4, a perfectly decent daily driver.
However, I'm a recovering phone ho', the LG V20 is next on my list (returned my Note7 V2 for a refund two days ago)
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Wow, not sure what phone to move on to if I was to move on. Been rocking notes since they came out. Got a note 4 but the screen needs to be fixed

I wish T-mobile will get the new Google phone. I will definitely get the pixel.
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EasyE75 said:
I wish T-mobile will get the new Google phone. I will definitely get the pixel.
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They can't because Verizon has the carrier exclusive on it..
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They can't because Verizon has the carrier exclusive on it..
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Shame on Google and Verizon lol, that's some outdated way of business even Apple does not do it any more.
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When Samsung has a major fiasco they recall all the product gather all the staff in the court house and destroy the product in front of them and the manager of that department is then banned from the company for life. Korean custom. Not only did the guy lose his job he disgraced his Family for generation to come. Going back to Note 7 the product is being discontinued it was announced in German newspapers today

GREAT!! *sarcasm*
My Note 5 was messing up and I got the 7 for the upgrade.
I'll have to debate this, as mine was one of the ones that wasn't a replacement or recalled. But with no rooting ability, or way to drop back a version to gain root...might have to go back to the Note 5.

I never even attempted to try the software update. I didn't like the stupid green battery icons or grouped notifications. I still have my v2 on original release firmware with updates blocked. I like the phone uprooted but I do not like the current software for it. It's a shame because I love phone otherwise, but without future root to make those small tweaks on the v3, I think I'll wait until I find something I really like. I've always been a Samsung guy that being said I'm not a real Fan of pure Google type phones. For some reason I really like touchwiz (ya I know).

Anyone else mad their unlocked Note 8 has no Oreo and AT&T does?

This is so weak! First time I bought an unlocked variant Samsung phone and guess what AT&T updated before the phone I bought unlocked directly from Samsung USA. Wtf?

i am mad because i was on ATO 7.1 went onto 8.0 XEF and i waited around 2 weeks, still my f*ckin RMM state is prenormal. I CANT F*CKING UNLOCK OEM. now im back to ATO 7.1 firmware and have to wait MORE TO GET THIS S*ITTY RMM!! cant even downgrade the bootloader.

Cool down, getting so pissed will not solve anything...

Some who received Oreo are complaining about poor battery life, so careful what you wish for.

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Some who received Oreo are complaining about poor battery life, so careful what you wish for.
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This is why I'm not on the beta. I get great battery life on 7.1 and so so on 8.0. I suspect it's because it's the bloated carrier version and not the unlocked. So to answer the OP I say I'm disappointed rather than mad.

Less than 3 weeks and it'll be available. I have Tmobile Note that I flashed unlocked firmware to it. Really it works near perfect...but still I always want the newest. Almost flashed back to carrier firmware but I'll just wait

Nope, not me. Official Oreo has been out for my F but I did not upgrade as soon as it came out. I have flashed Oreo on my phone & played with it a bit but as I knew from seeing all the early Oreo reviews nothing special. I'm back on Nougat now, too many imcompatibilities & things I don't like for now. Hopefully we get 8.1.1 but I don't care if we don't.

It's disappointing, Sprint and Verizon are getting theirs today (3/30/2018), yet Samsung has yet to release theirs for unlocked users.

Soon grasshopper soon.

Just enjoy your Nougat while you can!

It just doesn't make any sense. Why would a carrier bloated firmware be pushed before a non one? We really should not have to wait a year for an operating system, proud. Great job Samsung!

YES.
PS: This would have been a perfect thread for a poll. :good:

Not too long ago on Sammobile.com, an explanation was reported that unlocked devices needed to be tested to work correctly for all networks, while the branded needed only testing for the dedicated carrier...
I don't really buy that story, but I am not 100% sure.
Anyway, I don't expect the pleasure in using my phone will change notably after receipt of Oreo, so I don't really care when it arrives...

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It just doesn't make any sense. Why would a carrier bloated firmware be pushed before a non one? We really should not have to wait a year for an operating system, proud. Great job Samsung!
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Because carriers ones have more slave users than unlocked ones. If there is no update on carrier simply the users could change their phones for another brand into their own cellphones plans (contacts). But if you have an unlocked one you can't protest; better do it by your self. I was on 7.1.1 with the August firmware until few days ago when i decided to flash throw Odin and now I'm happy with all oreo stuff and excellent battery life. Also I didn't have OEM stuff so I just flashed the same csc and that's all.
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Not too long ago on Sammobile.com, an explanation was reported that unlocked devices needed to be tested to work correctly for all networks, while the branded needed only testing for the dedicated carrier...
I don't really buy that story, but I am not 100% sure.
Anyway, I don't expect the pleasure in using my phone will change notably after receipt of Oreo, so I don't really care when it arrives...
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Yes you're on the right track...I read that they need to approve it or something along those lines too. People think unlocked firmware gets updated first, but in reality it basically gets updated towards the end, if not last.

sefrcoko said:
Yes you're on the right track...I read that they need to approve it or something along those lines too. People think unlocked firmware gets updated first, but in reality it basically gets updated towards the end, if not last.
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But that isn't historically accurate. I believe what has changed is that now Samsung has made their US unlocked phones compatible with all Networks firmware and bloat. Where as before the unlocked phones from years prior were not. I think I am beginning to understand now. Thanks!

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But that isn't historically accurate. I believe what has changed is that now Samsung has made their US unlocked phones compatible with all Networks firmware and bloat. Where as before the unlocked phones from years prior were not. I think I am beginning to understand now. Thanks!
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Ah that makes more sense... Thank you

Real incentive to buy Samsung's flagship model directly from Samsung unlocked and the go straight to the back of the queue for updates and receive them 6 months later.
I certainly won't be doing that again.
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Real incentive to buy Samsung's flagship model directly from Samsung unlocked and the go straight to the back of the queue for updates and receive them 6 months later.
I certainly won't be doing that again.
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Assuming project treble is part of future Notes, it may not really be a problem after the Note 8.

I'm pretty sure the carriers had something to do with the delay. My first unlocked device , and I am not alone. I think alot of folks went unlocked this time around , and the carriers don't like that. Although I am curious for Oreo , my note runs great now, so in a way I couldn't care less if they released it. Just that techy part of me that wants the latest and greatest.
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