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4.4 kitkat!!!

So I was in bestbuy today checking out a few cases and the galaxy gear in the new samsung section that they have and the samsung rep was telling me that we are getting kitkat in 2 to 3 months. I honestly dont know if this is true or not but I wanted to post and ask if anyone else has heard anything like that.
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1) Never listen to any BestBuy Employee
2) KitKat 4.4 has been confirmed for the i-9500 [maybe i9505 same time] with a January time frame.

Warboy said:
1) Never listen to any BestBuy Employee
2) KitKat 4.4 has been confirmed for the i-9500 [maybe i9505 same time] with a January time frame.
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Well, being the end of November, January is only just more than a month away

Probably february..Right now stock rooted mja with wifi fix. Everything good..
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Unconfirmed leaks on other sites have it pegged for carrier release in January. Plus time for them to add their BS and we're looking at late February at the earliest.
But don't get too excited about it. The devices that have received it are all missing various features. Some don't have the transparent navigation bar, nobody's getting the Experience Launcher, etc. Makes it sound more like an incremental update than anything groundbreaking.
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Expect a wait as always for updates, but you never really know an exact date this early on :/

Yea I would rather the update come at a later date and be packed with kitkat goodies rather than thrown together and not get the true kitkat experience
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mderuelle said:
Yea I would rather the update come at a later date and be packed with kitkat goodies rather than thrown together and not get the true kitkat experience
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You do realize it's not gonna be a "true KitKat experience" because we don't have a Nexus device, and Samsung will throw their "stuff" over pure vanilla Android (KitKat).

Joe0113 said:
You do realize it's not gonna be a "true KitKat experience" because we don't have a Nexus device, and Samsung will throw their "stuff" over pure vanilla Android (KitKat).
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This is what has me excited. Pure vanilla Android is ugly and devoid of features. Adding Samsung's features is what makes Android at this point. Looking at KiKat on a nexus has me patiently waiting for KitKat to drop on my S4 with all the Samsung additives. Thanks God for the additives.
And Samsung reps are not BestBuy employees. At least that's how I understand it. They do not work for BestBuy but Samsung.

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And Samsung reps are not BestBuy employees. At least that's how I understand it. They do not work for BestBuy but Samsung.
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That may be true. But the chances of them knowing their ass from a hole in the wall are still zero.
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I am a Low Voltage Technician and Merchandising Specialist (during downtimes from remodels) for Best Buy, came from Computers and Wireless/BBY Mobile. I use a cheat sheet, but I can tell my ass from a hole in the wall.
Oh, I've also never had a problem staying up to date on current device and technology offerings. Though I'm not sure of the correlation.
Samsung Specialists do, indeed, work for Samsung, they are not ours. Similar to Apple Solutions Consultants.

JD1zzle said:
I am a Low Voltage Technician and Merchandising Specialist (during downtimes from remodels) for Best Buy, came from Computers and Wireless/BBY Mobile. I use a cheat sheet, but I can tell my ass from a hole in the wall.
Oh, I've also never had a problem staying up to date on current device and technology offerings. Though I'm not sure of the correlation.
Samsung Specialists do, indeed, work for Samsung, they are not ours. Similar to Apple Solutions Consultants.
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An excellent comeback sir :good:

This is a good sign.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/5...oogle-playedition-android44-kitkat-update.htm

chadharrop said:
This is a good sign.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/5...oogle-playedition-android44-kitkat-update.htm
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Not really. GPe editions have nothing to do with carrier phones. Be nice if we could flash a GPe rom on our phones though.

frostedunit said:
That may be true. But the chances of them knowing their ass from a hole in the wall are still zero.
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I could say the same for 90% of the people on these forums. A hand full of people actually know how to use the phone and the rest just ride the "struggle bus"™ all day.

eskomo said:
I could say the same for 90% of the people on these forums. A hand full of people actually know how to use the phone and the rest just ride the "struggle bus"™ all day.
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True. But the vast majority of users here don't get paid to sell electronics. Too many Sprint, Samsung, Verizon, Best Buy, Radio Shack, etc, etc "reps" don't know much about the products they sell.
Ever go to one of those places and know more about their products than they do? Most frustrating thing ever. If they don't know about their own products, how the heck are they going to know about OTA dates?
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frostedunit said:
Ever go to one of those places and know more about their products than they do? Most frustrating thing ever. If they don't know about their own products, how the heck are they going to know about OTA dates?
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It's more like, have you ever gone into one of those places and not known more than they do? I've yet to find any best buy or sprint store employee that knew more than me.
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Good on ya!
JD1zzle said:
I am a Low Voltage Technician and Merchandising Specialist (during downtimes from remodels) for Best Buy, came from Computers and Wireless/BBY Mobile. I use a cheat sheet, but I can tell my ass from a hole in the wall.
Oh, I've also never had a problem staying up to date on current device and technology offerings. Though I'm not sure of the correlation.
Samsung Specialists do, indeed, work for Samsung, they are not ours. Similar to Apple Solutions Consultants.
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Bravo!! Clearly you received the revised cheat sheet.

Do you have a link on how to root sprint version with 4.3 official ota
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kegar said:
Do you have a link on how to root sprint version with 4.3 official ota
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Here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47100455
Reminder a little search will get you what you need..
GS4 Stock Rooted MJA 4.3,Philz Touch CWM,HotSpot Mod,Transparent Weather Widget...

[DISCUSSION] Are unexploitable bootloaders putting an end to US development?

I will not state the obvious with the exception of this: If you can not root a device much less install a custom recovery, development essentially means absolutely nothing to you.. In this case what is the new definition of open source? "Open source" made android what is today.
All opinions from different perpectives are welcome--but please mind your Ps and Qs.
Thanks....
EDIT: I firmly believe that xda members must be patient. However, there must also be a realistic reckoning. That is to say--hypothetically speaking--if it takes five years to create an exploit, for all practical purposes one could consider that bootloader impregnable considering the exponential pace of technological advancement. So, if one is measured in their assessment and comments, it is closer to the truth and a heck of a lot more useful to talk in terms of "X" device has a bootloader that can not be unlocked. If for example the S4 is "cracked" say--three years from now, will anyone care? Will development restart? Finally, like with any choice, it's up to the individual to decide what can be considered "hard locked." For me, I guessed that the S4 would be leaked an unlock after the S5 came to market. Obviously my reasoning was wrong. At any rate, my ship has sailed--I can be patient no more.
But remember here we are assuming for the sake of a discussion that these bootloaders will not be exploited and if that is the case will that spread to the point that US development dies on the vine.

I thought unlockable bootloaders WERE promoting US development. The T-Mobile S5 subforum is buzzing, and it's crickets around here. It's these locked bootloaders that cause some frustration.

LoSt180 said:
I thought unlockable bootloaders WERE promoting US development. The T-Mobile S5 subforum is buzzing, and it's crickets around here. It's these locked bootloaders that cause some frustration.
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I think your right about T mobile. But they come with bootloaders that allow rooting and Installation of a custom recovery (I.e. unlocked).. When I say unlockable I am refering to carriers like At&t and Verizon. Take a look at their forums--you can almost hear crickets! As they are "locking down" one might wonder if it will spread especially as a carrier attains its target market share through promotions and even merger.

numbR7 said:
I think your right about T mobile. But they come with bootloaders that allow rooting and Installation of a custom recovery (I.e. unlocked).. When I say unlockable I am refering to carriers like At&t and Verizon. Take a look at their forums--you can almost hear crickets! As they are "locking down" one might wonder if it will spread especially as a carrier attains its target market share through promotions and even merger.
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T-Mobile is unlockable the HTC One M8 is unlockable, AT&T and Verizon S5 variants are not unlockable - we can't unlock them.

Not being able to unlock the bootloader, I believe is going to end development, at least for AT&T and Verizon. If I had the cash, I probably would've went with the T-mobile version, but I'm not rich like that LOL

As it was said by a mod in another thread, giving hopes to users that the AT&T/Verizon's S5 will get root anytime soon is just unfair for the users. It will not happen. The AT&T Note 3 got root when in 4.3, but there is no root in the horizon for KitKat don't even think about an unlocked bootloader. The same happened to the S4 after it was updated the bootloader and root is now lost and that has been for many, many months and on a phone that it had a very large development. Developers are not even bothering on wasting their time on AT&T/Verizon because there is the TMO and International versions available.
So to answer the original question my answer would be Yes.

eortizr said:
As it was said by a mod in another thread, givit helpsng hopes to users that the AT&T/Verizon's S5 will get root anytime soon is just unfair for the users. It will not happen. The AT&T Note 3 got root when in 4.3, but there is no root in the horizon for KitKat don't even think about an unlocked bootloader. The same happened to the S4 after it was updated the bootloader and root is now lost and that has been for many, many months and on a phone that it had a very large development. Developers are not even bothering on wasting their time on AT&T/Verizon because there is the TMO and International versions available.
So to answer the original question my answer would be Yes.
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I couldn't agree more. I think it's good you emphasize the truth as I helps newer people understand.

eortizr said:
As it was said by a mod in another thread, giving hopes to users that the AT&T/Verizon's S5 will get root anytime soon is just unfair for the users. It will not happen. The AT&T Note 3 got root when in 4.3, but there is no root in the horizon for KitKat don't even think about an unlocked bootloader. The same happened to the S4 after it was updated the bootloader and root is now lost and that has been for many, many months and on a phone that it had a very large development. Developers are not even bothering on wasting their time on AT&T/Verizon because there is the TMO and International versions available.
So to answer the original question my answer would be Yes.
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There is a fine line between giving false hope and nurturing fears, saying "It will not happen" is not necesarily true, it may not happen, but then again remember some who waited for a year to get root or those with iphones who waited for a year to jailbreak.
just my opinion is all.

cstayton said:
There is a fine line between giving false hope and nurturing fears, saying "It will not happen" is not necesarily true, it may not happen, but then again remember some who waited for a year to get root or those with iphones who waited for a year to jailbreak.
just my opinion is all.
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Agreed, when I said 'it will not happen' i was referring to the 'anytime soon' statement.

I agree that saying "it's coming soon" is probably not the best phrase to use. However, to say it will never happen is just as bad. It simply did not and has not happened as fast as we want it to. There is always someone smarter when it comes to computers and software. I am sure the devs have a life outside of hacking a phone for us and everyone needs to be patient. Plus the fact with the Knox security, I am sure the devs want to find all possible work arounds. Just my opinion though...
Sent from my AT&T Samsung Galaxy S5.

What I've come to realize in my years of owning Android devices and reading these posts on xda is that virtually nothing is impossible. However, that is a double-edged sword meaning that the manufacturers have had to step up their collective games to make it even harder for exploits to be found. AT&T and Verizon are protecting themselves from the idiots who don't know what they're doing and brick their devices or get them infected with viruses. I can understand that to a point. However, I would gladly pay AT&T and even sign a waiver to let ME take the risk solely upon myself to do what I would like with MY phone. It's idiots that ruin it for the rest of us. Such as the world, I guess. Just my two cents.
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I love to use custom Roms etc.However when you buy a phone, buy it for what it is not for what you want it to be later on. The fact that there is no root is what keeps me using my GS4 more than this phone but the S5 is a solid Device, has great battery life (for me at least) and gets everything I need done. Its a matter of being patient especially for any who own the 4 and know how Samsung and ATT locked the previous iteration of this phone.
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baldwyn said:
What I've come to realize in my years of owning Android devices and reading these posts on xda is that virtually nothing is impossible. However, that is a double-edged sword meaning that the manufacturers have had to step up their collective games to make it even harder for exploits to be found. AT&T and Verizon are protecting themselves from the idiots who don't know what they're doing and brick their devices or get them infected with viruses. I can understand that to a point. However, I would gladly pay AT&T and even sign a waiver to let ME take the risk solely upon myself to do what I would like with MY phone. It's idiots that ruin it for the rest of us. Such as the world, I guess. Just my two cents.
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Please explain how these so-called "idiots" are the reason AT&T and Verizon "had" to lock down the devices. I don't understand.

AT&T and Verizon are protecting themselves from the idiots who don't know what they're doing and brick their devices or get them infected with viruses.
I think I kinda explained it right there.
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baldwyn said:
AT&T and Verizon are protecting themselves from the idiots who don't know what they're doing and brick their devices or get them infected with viruses.
I think I kinda explained it right there.
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Yes - I get that statement. But, how are they protecting themselves. That is, how are they harmed by these "idiots?" Further, if one were to extrapolate users from population, roughly 96% of mobile phone users in the world don't seem to pose a significant problem to thier carriers as it is only the NA carriers that do this ("hard" lock the bootloader). Then, futher hone that to say maybe 1.5%, at the most, US users root their phones. Then narrow further by device. If these numbers are even close--how many of these "idiots" are there. You've been around long enough to know some of the so-called "idiots" were accomplished developers. I do not want to argue with you. I am genuinely intetested in why you see it this way.

rachelm920 said:
Not being able to unlock the bootloader, I believe is going to end development, at least for AT&T and Verizon. If I had the cash, I probably would've went with the T-mobile version, but I'm not rich like that LOL
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Have you checked into the buyout and trade in promotions T Mobile has? Maybe you can switch with little or no pain. Lol

numbR7 said:
Have you checked into the buyout and trade in promotions T Mobile has? Maybe you can switch with little or no pain. Lol
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I'm so god damn sick of this OTA sh... I was at work and it rebooted and started installing by itself. I tried to pop the battery but no matter what I do it continues the installation.
I'm moving to T-Mobile. Thanks ATT!

I'm sorry my off-the-cuff remark has gotten out of hand. The idiots to whom I am referring are the ones who brick their phones or get them infected by lack of knowledge and then try to blame the carrier instead of taking the responsibility themselves. As a precaution, I can see AT&T locking their devices down in an attempt to prevent that from happening. I understand it's a small number of people that cause this or are even affected by this, but by doing so, AT&T can better control their integrity. Same reason why a bag of peanuts sometimes says "Caution: Contains nuts." C.Y.A.
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I'm sorry my off-the-cuff remark has gotten out of hand. The idiots to who. I am referring are the ones who brick their phones or get thefected by lack of knowledge and then try to blame the carrier instead of taking the responsibility themselves. As a precaution, I can see AT&T locking their devices down in an attempt to prevent that from happening. I understand it's a small number of people that cause this or are even affected by this, but by doing so, AT&T can better control their integrity. Same reason why a bag of peanuts sometimes says "Caution: Contains nuts." C.Y.A.
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It's cool. Posts are often taken wrong or worded differently than someone else is used to talking. I see your point. It makes sense. I may be a little too jaded (to put it nicely) to let them off the hook that easily though. Lol.

After my purchase of the new Samsung galaxy s5 on AT&T I will state that this will be my last carrier specific purchase,
My girlfriend has the HTC M8 (I had one also but hated the freaking pics from the camera).
This was another example of lesson learned, I will from now on purchase nexus devices or not locked to a carrier specific devices, or Google play edition devices from now on.
No more jumping the gun paying full retail to get phones on release day screw that. Lesson has been learned here for sure.
I am thinking on sending my Galaxy S5 into http://www.maxback.com and then purchasing a nexus 5, then later this year when the new nexus is available,I can pick one of them up.. But im kind of stuck as I love the camera on the s5.... this is what is holding me up...
Sure we and disable the bloatware on the Samsung and all that fun stuff, but there is a world of difference when all those items are gone
Thanks to the awesome developers here on XDA making some kickass roms for us.
I run the kingkat on my girlfriends HTC m8 from the HTC forums and it is so much faster with all of the bloatware and features she was never going to use gone.. that m8 is night and day in speed difference and usability..
Bottom line If we are here we have the mindset to tinker and to tinker on these devices WE need to stop buying locked down phones..

ROOT ? Has anyone tried this?

After doing much reading and I'm getting ready to buy the GS6 edge but was wondering if anyone tried to root with cf root? Found this article on droid life
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/03/1...ready-for-the-t-mobile-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge/

Neither S6 verizon variant has been rooted...yet. Look at Chainfire's repository, the Verizon S6 and S6 Edge are model number SM-G920V and SM-G925V respectively (and my S6 shipped with build LRX22G.G920VVRU1AOC3 for reference). All variants will be rooted eventually, we just have to be patient.

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Neither S6 verizon variant has been rooted...yet. Look at Chainfire's repository, the Verizon S6 and S6 Edge are model number SM-G920V and SM-G925V respectively (and my S6 shipped with build LRX22G.G920VVRU1AOC3 for reference). All variants will be rooted eventually, we just have to be patient.
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I wouldn't hold on to all variants being rooted and have your hopes up...

I forgot to look at chain fires repository. But it's all good , I can wait patiently

Same as well.
Hopefully they will come out with a way to root the phone soon.
I just upgraded from a Galaxy S3 which was rooted.
I must have ADAWAY!!!

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I wouldn't hold on to all variants being rooted and have your hopes up...
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Agreed. If the vzw edge isn't rooted in about 3 months, hello Swappa!
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markwebb said:
Agreed. If the vzw edge isn't rooted in about 3 months, hello Swappa!
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I certainly hope you didn't purchase your device assuming you would keep it only if it became rooted.

open1your1eyes0 said:
I certainly hope you didn't purchase your device assuming you would keep it only if it became rooted.
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Not necessarily: good secondary phone for camera especially. I got my unlocked multi carrier Nexus 6 to do all the fun stuff with.
Besides, with prediction of edge supply issues developing as it seems more popular than anticipated, always can get fair market value on swappa with minimal $$ loss.
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I certainly hope you didn't purchase your device assuming you would keep it only if it became rooted.
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Considering how long it takes the most recent Samsung devices on Verizon to get root (most don't at all) he might as well just return the phone now while it's within the 14 day return period. I can almost guarantee this phone won't get root, especially not within 3 months.

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Considering how long it takes the most recent Samsung devices on Verizon to get root (most don't at all) he might as well just return the phone now while it's within the 14 day return period. I can almost guarantee this phone won't get root, especially not within 3 months.
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Yup, probably not. The S5 users were crying their eyes out and only got root through Geohot. He's gone, so good luck with all of that...

Even if it doesn't get rooted there is always the possibility of a boot exploit being found and a custom pre-rooted Rom being made available.

Speaking of root...is it worth starting a bounty thread?

There's already one going in the AT&T Section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=3082549

The.Jericho.Initiative said:
There's already one going in the AT&T Section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=3082549
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Chances are root on AT&T won't do anything for us. I just don't have time to keep up with the donations.

Well, it still makes more sense to have a single point of awareness for both carriers... More likely to garner the attention we are looking for. Besides like you said, you're not able to keep the tally but there is a thread over in AT&T that is. The Mods have said everyone can post there and the pledges will be separated by carrier.
Anyway, Imagonna Post a new thread with a link to the tread. in the Verizon S6 forum

The.Jericho.Initiative said:
Well, it still makes more sense to have a single point of awareness for both carriers... More likely to garner the attention we are looking for. Besides like you said, you're not able to keep the tally but there is a thread over in AT&T that is. The Mods have said everyone can post there and the pledges will be separated by carrier.
Anyway, Imagonna Post a new thread with a link to the tread. in the Verizon S6 forum
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I got ya, I didn't realize they were breaking up pledges between carriers over there. Since they're doing that, it definitely makes more sense to just have the one thread. I should have caught that, my bad.

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Chances are root on AT&T won't do anything for us. I just don't have time to keep up with the donations.
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chances are very high a root for an att device will work same for us.. they seem to both be locked down just the same..
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If you haven't heard...http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/root-pingpongroot-s6-root-tool-t3103016

I have successfully rooted my galaxy s6 (g920v), using ping-pong root.

Marshmellow coming in January 2016

It will probably take longer for vzw versions, but at least we know the order it is being released as well as approximate time.

Wonderful, us VZW guys aren't even on the list. Thanks Obama

I guess there is no love for the Galaxy Note Pro. At least my S6 Edge is getting it.

85gallon said:
I guess there is no love for the Galaxy Note Pro. At least my S6 Edge is getting it.
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I feel ya, I have a Galaxy Tab S 10.5.

Is the UK the same?

Sooooooo any updates on this?

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Sooooooo any updates on this?
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I haven't seen anything further. But I did install the free Marshmallow theme from the theme store.

One of my friends received Android 6.0 on his Boost Mobile LG Stylo today. Not bad for a $179 phone!

i see marshmallow has been out for a bit now for the s6 edge. how is there no tar for those of us who would like to try it out?
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It has not been released by Verizon yet.
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giobotta said:
i see marshmallow has been out for a bit now for the s6 edge. how is there no tar for those of us who would like to try it out?
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Google does the update and then sends it to Samsung for testing. IF Samsung decides the update is worthy and fits into their business plan for the life of the phone, they will test the update and correct things that are specific to the S6. IF that is completed then they send the update to Verizon, who in turn, decides if it fits in their business plan and the planned end of life for the product. If Verizon decides to pass it along then they update the code with their specifics and then they release it to the phones.
All of that has to go good before we knaves might see an update.
Unfortunately Android updates and timeline does not fit into the end of life plans for phones by the carriers. That is why we usually only get one or two updates.

Just saw this while searching online tonight.
http://www.mobipicker.com/galaxy-s6-s6-edge-s6-edge-s5-note5-note-4-android-marshmallow-update/
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It is no February 1st no Marshmellow

You guys know it's Marshmallow... with an A, not an E... right? Seems like something spell check should have warned you of...

Don't suppose anyone's heard anything for us VZW guys in terms of getting any updates, have they? About to list my phone on swappa and try to get something else... Not having root access or the ability to even really play with my phone is making this phone kinda boring to me. That and i'm not as much of a fan of the edge screen as I thought i'd be

spadz93 said:
Don't suppose anyone's heard anything for us VZW guys in terms of getting any updates, have they? About to list my phone on swappa and try to get something else... Not having root access or the ability to even really play with my phone is making this phone kinda boring to me. That and i'm not as much of a fan of the edge screen as I thought i'd be
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If you do get a new phone I strongly suggest you get the Nexus 6. A bunch of support and you can unlock the boot loader and get any ROM you want it's awesome. I've been loving mine!

blackra1n said:
If you do get a new phone I strongly suggest you get the Nexus 6. A bunch of support and you can unlock the boot loader and get any ROM you want it's awesome. I've been loving mine!
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Yeah it's a catch between the nexus 6 and the turbo 2 if I decide to move away. The turbo 2 in terms of hardware is slightly superior, but unfortunately it seems like it's suffering the same fate as my current phone
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spadz93 said:
Yeah it's a catch between the nexus 6 and the turbo 2 if I decide to move away. The turbo 2 in terms of hardware is slightly superior, but unfortunately it seems like it's suffering the same fate as my current phone
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Yeah so I've heard. Definitely would recommend the Nexus 6 as I'm using it right now and its amazing but its your choice. Price wise its pretty cheap too. Got mine for $225 on swappa

Starting to roll out from Samsung. Verizon will likely take forever to send it out though....

Another bit of a tease http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/16/samsung_starts_marshmallow_upgrades/

When Marshmallow does get here...what then?

Between Verizon's (relatively) recently unlocked bootloader, systemless root in the Super betas and Marshmallow update, would updating be worth it when it gets here or should we hold out for 5.x to get rooted? Is there a chance Marshmallow will be easier to root? Should we just give in to mediocrity and live without root because we unwittingly bought the wrong phone?
I'm asking so we have a chance to get the discussion going since we are on the veritable cusp of the update we're all waiting for. I'm really hoping 6 is a little easier to root or that they'll relax security since this will probably be the last big update we get for a while.

One question is what is it that you need root for?

6 is nowhere near the biggest update for a while, you seen N? As for easier rooting, info there as well, that's why systemless root was made because it was impossible otherwise.
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Rakuu said:
6 is nowhere near the biggest update for a while, you seen N? As for easier rooting, info there as well, that's why systemless root was made because it was impossible otherwise.
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N looks huge, but I tend to side with OP on this. Our phone is 2 years old, I think Marshmallow will be our last major update. I can't see Samsung and AT&T giving us N.
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stew1411 said:
N looks huge, but I tend to side with OP on this. Our phone is 2 years old, I think Marshmallow will be our last major update. I can't see Samsung and AT&T giving us N.
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My point still stands, MM will not come any easier to root unless att intentionally exposes some way to root it in their update which I don't see them doing ever.
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YasharF said:
One question is what is it that you need root for?
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Rakuu said:
My point still stands, MM will not come any easier to root unless att intentionally exposes some way to root it in their update which I don't see them doing ever.
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My hope is that with the newer operating system there may be more unpatched security exploits. Either way, will M be worth not having root? I'd rather wait around for a working root for the versions we are on now than settle for an okay operating system.
Will system less root be implemented by out phones? I figured that was a stretch because of our bootloader.

Yeah, really good question... will Chainfire's systemless root work on our S5 with Marshmallow?

719c6 said:
Yeah, really good question... will Chainfire's systemless root work on our S5 with Marshmallow?
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Does it work on our s5 with lollipop? No it won't from what we know at this time, it requires modifying the kernel image I believe, so it won't work, rooting became a lot harder on a lot of devices with M.
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I wouldn't bet on it. AT&T likely won't be releasing N on our phone (look at how slow they're at pushing Marshmallow. Being the phone has now been out for 2 years, they won't be putting any more resources into the phone.
As for the bootloader, HAH. It's not going to get any easier to unlock, even more so that developers are turning to working on unlocking newer phones that are now in use; and AT&T certainly won't be unlocking it for us. They'd rather you buy a new phone from them.

QuillOmega0 said:
...AT&T certainly won't be unlocking it for us. They'd rather you buy a new phone from them.
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I call their bluff and will switch to Project Fi as soon as my contract is over :laugh: I think they have made enough off of me over the last decade.

QuillOmega0 said:
As for the bootloader, HAH. It's not going to get any easier to unlock, even more so that developers are turning to working on unlocking newer phones that are now in use; and AT&T certainly won't be unlocking it for us. They'd rather you buy a new phone from them.
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I understand it won't get easier. I just don't understand why it is so much more difficult than the S6 or S7. I would expect those models to be more resilient due to the fact that they are currently being much more supported by their manufacturers and carriers. Otherwise, why would they have changed things to make it easier to root and, therefor, less secure on the newer models? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Either they are intentionally trying to give us easier root as an incentive to upgrade, which I doubt, or a root for the s5 should be doable because it isn't as ironclad as they want us to think.

Every American carrier has released Marshmallow except for good ol' AT&T...

morphfxf said:
Every American carrier has released Marshmallow except for good ol' AT&T...
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Wouldn't expect anything less. I remember on my windows phone back on the mango update they acted like they ere going to release it... then never did, luckily in that case I could side load it.
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it just got released for verizon yesterday..?

four loko said:
it just got released for verizon yesterday..?
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Verizon != Att
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