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Does anyone use or know of a good sound dock to use with our note 2?
There are plenty of options for the iPhone/ipod but android seems quite limited.
Phillips seem to have a fairly good range from budget to higher end.
Or maybe is it better to have just a speaker(s)
I am not wanting one to use as an alarm just purely for music.
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Why not use Bluetooth?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Black-Portab...Speaker-Microphone-Touch-Button-/261132234440
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Yeah, I love my bluetooth Jawbone JamBox!
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Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Both speakers look interesting, the Jambox seems to have some good reviews and is near to the top end of what i am wanting to spend.
Sound quality is a factor and i know i am not going to get state of the art with my budget nor ear splitting volume, i have my stereo for that anyway the Jambox again seems to have good reviews for sound quality the mini boombox does not have quite the same reviews although there is quite a price difference between the two.
One advantage of these as opposed to a dock is they are portable.
Any other recommendations on other speakers or docks or user views on the two items mentioned above.
Thanks

I was in Target couple days ago, and saw Bose Soundlink and BigJambox, same price, but I'm more interested in the Jambox, the demo song, it does indeed shows 3D virtual surround. Not sure if it still have 3D with non binaural recorded songs, but it's amazing. Might get that, need to save some dough first though, at$300 it's not cheap for me.

Get the Altec lansing bt speaker. It sounds great. I have tested thw othwr speakers mentioned and they cant cpmpete.

I have been looking at this Samsung unit and am very tempted. Anyone actually heard the sound quality on it?
http://m.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/home-entertainment/wireless-audio-dock/DA-E670/XU
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nm8 said:
Get the Altec lansing bt speaker. It sounds great. I have tested thw othwr speakers mentioned and they cant cpmpete.
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Thanks, do you have a link to the exact model you mention.

With the change to lightning from the Apple 30 pin, there should be a ton of discounted speakers and docks made for the older gen iOS devices. With Bluetooth to 30 pin adapters like this dockboss air : http://www.cablejive.com/products/dockBoss-air.html , you should be able to find a good solution. This is actually how I've tapped into my car stereo which has an iPod connector with my android devices. The nice side effect is that it passes the media controls as well, so the track advance/reverse can be controlled through it.

hawkwind said:
Thanks, do you have a link to the exact model you mention.
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http://www.amazon.com/Altec-Lansing...8-2&keywords=altec+lansing+bluetooth+speakers
despite the negative reviews, I never had any problem with mine, and I have connected it to maybe 30 different phones and pda's because I bring it to work and my colleagues use it... maybe those people who gave a negative review do not know what they are doing to connect the unit....
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The Altec speaker is more on the clinical side... so it is good for listening to musical, voacls, rock, etc... it lacks the very deep bass of other speakers like the Bose or Logitech Boombox which I have owned... but it compensates for it's audio clarity... If you like bigger boomy bass, go for the logitach boombox, otherwise go for the the Altec... the Bose is not worth it IMHO.

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rEVOLVE said:
With the change to lightning from the Apple 30 pin, there should be a ton of discounted speakers and docks made for the older gen iOS devices. With Bluetooth to 30 pin adapters like this dockboss air : http://www.cablejive.com/products/dockBoss-air.html , you should be able to find a good solution. This is actually how I've tapped into my car stereo which has an iPod connector with my android devices. The nice side effect is that it passes the media controls as well, so the track advance/reverse can be controlled through it.
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Thanks, the bluetooth adaptors opens up a whole range of previously unavailable options.
nm8 said:
http://www.amazon.com/Altec-Lansing...8-2&keywords=altec+lansing+bluetooth+speakers
despite the negative reviews, I never had any problem with mine, and I have connected it to maybe 30 different phones and pda's because I bring it to work and my colleagues use it... maybe those people who gave a negative review do not know what they are doing to connect the unit....
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The Altec speaker is more on the clinical side... so it is good for listening to musical, voacls, rock, etc... it lacks the very deep bass of other speakers like the Bose or Logitech Boombox which I have owned... but it compensates for it's audio clarity... If you like bigger boomy bass, go for the logitach boombox, otherwise go for the the Altec... the Bose is not worth it IMHO.
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Thanks, that was the model i was looking at available at £100 on amazon uk. :good:
Decisions decisions

rEVOLVE said:
With the change to lightning from the Apple 30 pin, there should be a ton of discounted speakers and docks made for the older gen iOS devices. With Bluetooth to 30 pin adapters like this dockboss air : http://www.cablejive.com/products/dockBoss-air.html , you should be able to find a good solution. This is actually how I've tapped into my car stereo which has an iPod connector with my android devices. The nice side effect is that it passes the media controls as well, so the track advance/reverse can be controlled through it.
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I wonder if this will work with my Car Stereo too ... I have a Pioneer that has a Pandora App for iCrap and I hate using Headphone to Headphone for Pandora. It kills the sound quality.

I have just received the Soundfreaq SFQ-04 Sound Kick http://www.tesco.com/direct/soundfreaq-sfq-04-sound-kick-bluetooth-wireless-speaker/554-6436.prd
I was going to go with the Altec Lansing recommended on the previous page but the price had shot up above and beyond what was our original top end price.
I cannot say what the sound is like yet as it is a Christmas present but it seems to get a lot of great reviews especially for the price.
Thanks for everyone who took the time to reply

Steelyglint said:
I have been looking at this Samsung unit and am very tempted. Anyone actually heard the sound quality on it?
http://m.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/home-entertainment/wireless-audio-dock/DA-E670/XU
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Treated myself to an early Xmas gift and picked up the Samsung unit. Easy connection to my Note and to my wife's iPhone (yes, I know it's grounds for divorce).
Sound quality is excellent. Only issue is the steep price.
.... I have to return some videotapes....

hawkwind said:
I have just received the Soundfreaq SFQ-04 Sound Kick http://www.tesco.com/direct/soundfreaq-sfq-04-sound-kick-bluetooth-wireless-speaker/554-6436.prd
I was going to go with the Altec Lansing recommended on the previous page but the price had shot up above and beyond what was our original top end price.
I cannot say what the sound is like yet as it is a Christmas present but it seems to get a lot of great reviews especially for the price.
Thanks for everyone who took the time to reply
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I have the sound stack from soundfreaq. They make a really good product from my experience.
I did a review of it here:
http://www.examiner.com/review/review-soundfreaq-sound-stack-bluetooth-speaker-dock
I have reviews coming up of specific android units from philips, iluv, and gracedigital. The grace digital dock is even note 2 specific!

Just an update on my Soundfreaq sound kick.
I am really impressed with the speaker, amazing clear sounds with no distortion, volume level is great as well.
Not for anyone who is looking for deep bass, but this little speaker is perfect for needs.
I like the usb slot at the back so i can charge my phone as it plays if i need to.
Really happy and a bargain at £74 when i bought it.
More reviews can be found here
http://www.amazon.com/product-revie...k Portable Bluetooth Speaker&showViewpoints=1

Eonon, Xtrons or Joying?

Hi All,
Im thinking of buying a new head unit for my BMW E90, are there any preferences over these brands? Im swaying towards the Eonon GA7165/GA8165 but i believe most of these units are all the same but branded differently?
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Right so after carefully considering everything for 2 years I finally bought one!
I've just purchased the Xtrons PE9890BIPL
https://xtrons.co.uk/bmw-3-series-android-8-0-pe9890bipl
It is on offer for just £239.99 which to me was a steal as second hand units (if you can find one) tend to sell for around £150+ because most people paid £300ish.
it has a beefy specced system of an Octa Core PX5 processor with 4GB RAM and a 32GB ROM running Android 8.0. This unit also has a big 9" screen at the expense of losing a DVD drive and some physical buttons (all of which can be used from your own steering wheel controls) but they offer the same spec with a smaller screen and contains the physical buttons if you'd prefer the physical buttons and DVD drive.
the newer head units running Android 9.0 aren't as good, currently offering a quad core PX35 processor (same x64 bit architecture but runs more efficient) and only 2GB RAM and 16GB ROM so it's a downgrade really.
Then of course we move onto the brilliant XDA forum for custom ROMS, and it just so happens they've already managed to get Android 9.0 onto these PX5 units
So I chose Xtrons because from what I've read most companies buy these units from the same supplier and brand them leaving other factors to be considered, for me xtrons is UK based so next day delivery, plus clearence prices, they also offered the beefier head unit, support seems okay (some chaps hasd ssues with steering wheel functions not working after locking and getting back into car, long story short they sent people new looms and sorted) and then on top of this XDA developers providing custom ROMS which can fix a lot of the common issues. I'll provide another update when it comes on Monday

at the moment
8-core-px5 - Dasaita > All because of the different (stand-alone BT and WiFi chips)
4-Core-px3 - IMHO the only differnce is the OS. 7.1 has no custom roms yet, so yo probably have a bloated OS
difference at both to consider: AMP chip TDA7388 or TDA7850, clear recomindation is the TDA7850 because ist has way more power and sounds clearer and more crisp
https://de.aliexpress.com/item/Car-android-GPS-For-BMW-E93-318LI-E92-325-E91-320LI-E90-328LI-autoradio-navigation-head/32808481136.html

zapedge said:
difference at both to consider: AMP chip TDA7388 or TDA7850, clear recomindation is the TDA7850 because ist has way more power and sounds clearer and more crisp
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Hey I'm new here.
Is the selection of AMP chip important ? Seems there's very few manufacturers using TDA7850.
The few that do use TDA7850 seem lots more expensive. Is this normal ?
Example http://smarty-trend.com/13-2-din-universal

zapedge said:
at the moment
8-core-px5 - Dasaita > All because of the different (stand-alone BT and WiFi chips)
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1) BT and Wifi are going to be on the *same* chip, so don't need to pluralize that.
2) The positioning of that particular RF chip (whether it be on the SoM or the host board) doesn't *technically* matter. The downside to being on the host board is typically that the reseller may have a bigger part in writing software that interfaces with it, and reseller written software is always a very bad thing.
3) Intel Sofia units also have the wifibt and GPS chips on the SoM.
Even with the wifibt on the SoM, the resellers *still* manage to mess it up, however, it may be somewhat easier to clean up in this case.
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bgroper said:
Hey I'm new here.
Is the selection of AMP chip important ? Seems there's very few manufacturers using TDA7850.
The few that do use TDA7850 seem lots more expensive. Is this normal ?
Example http://smarty-trend.com/13-2-din-universal
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I think it may have to do mainly with your needs and expectations.
Neither is going to satisfy anyone who self-identifies as an "audiophile".
I think the main differences are that the 7850 is slightly more powerful (4x50 vs 4x45 watt), and is ok with 2 ohm speakers where the 7388 is 4 ohm only.
http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resou...df/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00179160.pdf
http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resou...df/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00145702.pdf

luciusfox said:
1) BT and Wifi are going to be on the *same* chip, so don't need to pluralize that.
2) The positioning of that particular RF chip (whether it be on the SoM or the host board) doesn't *technically* matter. The downside to being on the host board is typically that the reseller may have a bigger part in writing software that interfaces with it, and reseller written software is always a very bad thing.
3) Intel Sofia units also have the wifibt and GPS chips on the SoM.
Even with the wifibt on the SoM, the resellers *still* manage to mess it up, however, it may be somewhat easier to clean up in this case.
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I think it may have to do mainly with your needs and expectations.
Neither is going to satisfy anyone who self-identifies as an "audiophile".
I think the main differences are that the 7850 is slightly more powerful (4x50 vs 4x45 watt), and is ok with 2 ohm speakers where the 7388 is 4 ohm only.
http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resou...df/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00179160.pdf
http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resou...df/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00145702.pdf
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Which make and model has the 7850 chip? I've just had a look at the Eonons, Xtrons and Joying units for the E90 and the most I have found is 4x48w and all the rest are the same 4x45w.

Not sure which chip mine got but I do have the Octacore GA7165A and I'm really happy with it just a few setup things I need to figure out. I also installed Viper4Android which improves the sound greatly only issue I'm facing is it does not apply to the MTC radio.

nils_92 said:
Not sure which chip mine got but I do have the Octacore GA7165A and I'm really happy with it just a few setup things I need to figure out. I also installed Viper4Android which improves the sound greatly only issue I'm facing is it does not apply to the MTC radio.
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Probably because the radio analog output never touches the CPU. It goes RADIO --> BD37xxx --> amplifier --> speakers.
The BD37xxx is an audio processor/mixer. Bunch of analog inputs, bunch of analog outputs, i2c control from either the MCU or SoC depending in which vendor it is.

nils_92 said:
Not sure which chip mine got but I do have the Octacore GA7165A and I'm really happy with it just a few setup things I need to figure out. I also installed Viper4Android which improves the sound greatly only issue I'm facing is it does not apply to the MTC radio.
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Hi mate,
Good to hear that Viper4Android works on the GA7165A model, so you've not experienced any other issues? On a YouTube video I've read various things such as Audio quality being poor through Spotify which is one of the main things I'd want, and also phone calls sounding muffled, though I assume that's probably down to the positioning of the Mic itself. What sound system do you have as well mate, is it stock or upgraded?

luciusfox said:
Probably because the radio analog output never touches the CPU. It goes RADIO --> BD37xxx --> amplifier --> speakers.
The BD37xxx is an audio processor/mixer. Bunch of analog inputs, bunch of analog outputs, i2c control from either the MCU or SoC depending in which vendor it is.
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Very surprised you know information as detailed as that Knowing all that you do, what would you advise to purchase?

mrsweet1991 said:
Hi mate,
Good to hear that Viper4Android works on the GA7165A model, so you've not experienced any other issues? On a YouTube video I've read various things such as Audio quality being poor through Spotify which is one of the main things I'd want, and also phone calls sounding muffled, though I assume that's probably down to the positioning of the Mic itself. What sound system do you have as well mate, is it stock or upgraded?
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I’ve got the stock sound system of a 2006 E91 I have installed Spotify but I haven’t used it yet still waiting for my mifi device but I’ll give it a shot maybe tomorrow and let you know.
In terms of Bluetooth / phone Bluetooth music is very good and also works through Viper4Android for the phone function itself I’ve only used the internal mic so far and that is a bit quiet but I’ll install the external mic later in the hope that it will improve the volume issue.
One thing I did have was V4A wouldn’t start automatically until I installed it as a system app now or does that just fine and from a sound quality perspective it is not worse than the default Prof. Head unit if anything I would say better since I can set a more granular sound set-up ( I like deep bass when the radio is not too loud just like the loudness feature on other stereos).
Not sure where you live if anywhere near southwest London feel free to pm me and we can meet for a coffee and you can have a look at it

@mrsweet1991 Have not yet tinkered with the mic but I did try Spotify for you and can report it works just fine I left the Spotify EQ off and instead use V4A and the sound quality is as good as an MP3 on the USB.
Hope that helps.

Have now installed the external mic however I had to disconnect the internal mic to get good quality I might go ahead and solder the external mic onto the internal port so I can use that for OK Google etc as well but with external mic and internal disconnected the quality is good.

How can i root the ga8165 and install xposed framework?

Another thoroughly derailed / hijacked thread

mrsweet1991 said:
Hi All,
Im thinking of buying a new head unit for my BMW E90, are there any preferences over these brands? Im swaying towards the Eonon GA7165/GA8165 but i believe most of these units are all the same but branded differently?
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I recently purchased this unit (GA7165A)and installed it.
If you purchased this unit how do you like it so far?
By the way I have a L7 AMP (fiber) and had to do a bit of research to figure out a few functional work around.

nils_92 said:
Have now installed the external mic however I had to disconnect the internal mic to get good quality I might go ahead and solder the external mic onto the internal port so I can use that for OK Google etc as well but with external mic and internal disconnected the quality is good.
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Hi Mate,
Been such a long time since I've been on here, I just wanted to say a big thanks for the information it's good to know. I'm hoping one day I might get a break from fixing things on the car and actually get to stick an eonon unit in! Last time I here the 7165a was the best out and now there's a 8165a lol

mallen462 said:
I recently purchased this unit (GA7165A)and installed it.
If you purchased this unit how do you like it so far?
By the way I have a L7 AMP (fiber) and had to do a bit of research to figure out a few functional work around.
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Hi mate, I've not had a chance to buy one yet.. I seem to end up fixing the bloody car all the time haha. Walked in for an MOT and come out with a failure for a snapped rear spring and a couple of other minor things.. Starting to get back on track now though, so I take it you have the logic 7 system? Mines just the basic system with underseat subs so should be easier to setup but less rewarding on the sound quality side haha.

Also interested in buying a unit for my E90, just not sure how to pick a unit and know that im getting one of the more reliable manufacturers with stable software? Anyone have experience with the Eonon 8165A? seems like the best deal..

Xtrons
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Can any GA8615a owners vouch for the sound quality? Is it any worse than the stock HU?

Hey, new person buying a chinese unit (help please)

I don't know where to post this so I'm posting here due to the amount of other Erisin posts.
I'm in the middle of looking for a double din head unit for my Rav4, this Erisin ES4763C head unit has come up on eBay / Erisin website when googled.
After reading a lot of reviews its putting me off spending around £250 on this head unit with camera, reverse camera, DAB+ etc.
I'm after a head unit that will do almost everything and it seems to fit the bill.
I'm wanting to know are they easily fixable, are they able to refund money if said item is broken? I'll be paying via PayPal to get some protection.
I like to research before I plunge in. Youtube videos seem to have helped a bit on what they do and they seem ok.
Would you recommend buying one or should I stay clear? - Just don't want to end up looking like Homer Simpson in my car with separate things like dash cam, satnav and bluetooth headset. (Season 14, episode 20.) (google "homer simpson car gadgets" since im not allowed to post links yet.)
After a bit more research, I've come across Xtrons PCD67HGT that does all the same stuff as Erisin but without the TV option. (But who drives with TV on?)
I honestly don't know which head unit to go for.
I'm after a head unit that can do these:
DAB+
Dash cam record + speed
Sat Nav
Reverse camera
Hands free phone
Steering wheel control
WiFi + 4G (or connect to phones 4G. Is this possible? So I don't have to buy another sim card?)
DVD + mirroring for back passengers.
What head units are there for me? Vehicle is a RAV4 2004 gen 2 D-4D.
I have around £260 to spend.
Thank you.

Zenlot said:
I don't know where to post this so I'm posting here due to the amount of other Erisin posts.
I'm in the middle of looking for a double din head unit for my Rav4, this Erisin ES4763C head unit has come up on eBay / Erisin website when googled.
After reading a lot of reviews its putting me off spending around £250 on this head unit with camera, reverse camera, DAB+ etc.
I'm after a head unit that will do almost everything and it seems to fit the bill.
I'm wanting to know are they easily fixable, are they able to refund money if said item is broken? I'll be paying via PayPal to get some protection.
I like to research before I plunge in. Youtube videos seem to have helped a bit on what they do and they seem ok.
Would you recommend buying one or should I stay clear? - Just don't want to end up looking like Homer Simpson in my car with separate things like dash cam, satnav and bluetooth headset. (Season 14, episode 20.) (google "homer simpson car gadgets" since im not allowed to post links yet.)
After a bit more research, I've come across Xtrons PCD67HGT that does all the same stuff as Erisin but without the TV option. (But who drives with TV on?)
I honestly don't know which head unit to go for.
I'm after a head unit that can do these:
DAB+
Dash cam record + speed
Sat Nav
Reverse camera
Hands free phone
Steering wheel control
WiFi + 4G (or connect to phones 4G. Is this possible? So I don't have to buy another sim card?)
DVD + mirroring for back passengers.
What head units are there for me? Vehicle is a RAV4 2004 gen 2 D-4D.
I have around £260 to spend.
Thank you.
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honestly stay away from any HU from china... they are all headaches one way or another. Go with something expensive.. like alpines andriod unit.. your looking at 1200 CAN. but w9rth every dime i sure wish i did and i use to install them for a living.
I got a seicane s0480.. had a bad circuitboard they sent me a new one.. now i cant use my screen..
Eonon have issues they all do. Spend your money on something worth it with less hassle

Im using Xtrons TA701PL and it really runs like a charm.
Some of the most important setups are there, and its got expansion slots for everything and then some.
Sound is way better than i expected, perhaps some would argue that the amp is a little to the lower side, but its still able to blast out your speakers if you want to.
Ive tried a various amount of the unbranded CH HU´s from Ebay/Amazon, but nothing compares to Xtrons, i even had one of these unbranded ones having 20 mins to open spotify!, on my Xtrons, its there allmost instant.
Support wise, they do have a forum, but its one of those forums where you cant just post anyways, but they have to allow your post to be shown, so its 110% useless, BUT they do have a online chat, where you allso can leave an email, and they do respond pretty quickly.
I had 1 issue with mine, a faulty cable, and they sendt me a new one, at no charge.
Only real wierd issue software wise i have, is some apps seems to see BT as turned off, this seems to be a trend among Android HU´s, every single one ive tried has this, it can sometimes interferer with some apps that need BT to be activated.
I bought mine directly at Xtrons

Impetuz said:
Im using Xtrons TA701PL and it really runs like a charm.
Some of the most important setups are there, and its got expansion slots for everything and then some.
Sound is way better than i expected, perhaps some would argue that the amp is a little to the lower side, but its still able to blast out your speakers if you want to.
Ive tried a various amount of the unbranded CH HU´s from Ebay/Amazon, but nothing compares to Xtrons, i even had one of these unbranded ones having 20 mins to open spotify!, on my Xtrons, its there allmost instant.
Support wise, they do have a forum, but its one of those forums where you cant just post anyways, but they have to allow your post to be shown, so its 110% useless, BUT they do have a online chat, where you allso can leave an email, and they do respond pretty quickly.
I had 1 issue with mine, a faulty cable, and they sendt me a new one, at no charge.
Only real wierd issue software wise i have, is some apps seems to see BT as turned off, this seems to be a trend among Android HU´s, every single one ive tried has this, it can sometimes interferer with some apps that need BT to be activated.
I bought mine directly at Xtrons
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Im close to buying the PA77HGTP, reverse camera, DVR camera comes to around £251. I'm close to clicking the button but something's putting me off. They recently brought out 8.0 with 4gb ram. But doesn't fit my car
There's no videos etc for showing the newer Xtrons working that I can find.
Hmm just don't know what to do.

Zenlot said:
Im close to buying the PA77HGTP, reverse camera, DVR camera comes to around £251. I'm close to clicking the button but something's putting me off. They recently brought out 8.0 with 4gb ram. But doesn't fit my car
There's no videos etc for showing the newer Xtrons working that I can find.
Hmm just don't know what to do.
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Im quite happy with using the 7.1 models, all i wanted was the dual app function on the screen, so i can have spotify and traffic on at the same time

Zenlot said:
I don't know where to post this so I'm posting here due to the amount of other Erisin posts.
I'm in the middle of looking for a double din head unit for my Rav4, this Erisin ES4763C head unit has come up on eBay / Erisin website when googled.
After reading a lot of reviews its putting me off spending around £250 on this head unit with camera, reverse camera, DAB+ etc.
I'm after a head unit that will do almost everything and it seems to fit the bill.
I'm wanting to know are they easily fixable, are they able to refund money if said item is broken? I'll be paying via PayPal to get some protection.
I like to research before I plunge in. Youtube videos seem to have helped a bit on what they do and they seem ok.
Would you recommend buying one or should I stay clear? - Just don't want to end up looking like Homer Simpson in my car with separate things like dash cam, satnav and bluetooth headset. (Season 14, episode 20.) (google "homer simpson car gadgets" since im not allowed to post links yet.)
After a bit more research, I've come across Xtrons PCD67HGT that does all the same stuff as Erisin but without the TV option. (But who drives with TV on?)
I honestly don't know which head unit to go for.
I'm after a head unit that can do these:
DAB+
Dash cam record + speed
Sat Nav
Reverse camera
Hands free phone
Steering wheel control
WiFi + 4G (or connect to phones 4G. Is this possible? So I don't have to buy another sim card?)
DVD + mirroring for back passengers.
What head units are there for me? Vehicle is a RAV4 2004 gen 2 D-4D.
I have around £260 to spend.
Thank you.
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Main question is: how good are you at DIY electronics? If not good at all you might want to consider buying a unit from a specialized company that will also set it up in your car.
After using several chinese HUs here are my findings:
All the units I have seen have low quality glossy LCD screens. If you live in a sunny area don't expect to see anything on the screen.
There is no QC at the end of the production cycle. That is why people receive units with non functioning screens or get weird errors from units with bad internal connections.
System architecture is unnecessarily complicated AND has serious limitations. For example you cannot: use a BT dongle or use a generic camera with the DVR app.
Bluetooth phone connections are generally of poor quality.
Some 4G modems work, others don't - no drivers.
Dual-zone (i.e having satnav on the HU screen and play a movie on the back screens) isn't generally available and you should specifically ask for that.
Steering wheel controls work as long as you have a resistive- type SWC. If not, additional modules are required.
Older units (with Android 4.4 or 5.1) have too little RAM and may become extremely slow.
With that said you can still find good value for money, just make sure you talk to the seller before paying anything and confirm every single feature for your specific car model. Chinese will answer any question before sale and pretty much disappear after sale.
I cannot comment on DAB+, never used it.

It is not ok (discussion of the future)

I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech. I'm actually disappointed to see how xda gave this phone "the best phone award". Companies are toying with us and as a oneplus fan I'm really sad to see them continue this despite the complaints of many over the 6T. I just just bought a 5T myself because of this (6 has a notch so went for the 5t). I fear that in the future there will be no option for those who want a headphone jack. And even worse, no charging port.
To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.
And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.
I wanted to create a poll but I don't see an option on the app, so I will just ask these questions. Let me know what you think.
Aren't you worried that the next models will ship with wireless charging only?
Is that what we will see in the future?
Would OP join this crazy trend?
PS: I'm posting on the OP forum since what I wanna discuss here is what will happen in the future and what do you guys think OP will do about it.

Technology is changing, rapidly and over and over again - part of this change is the move from wired headphones to wireless ones, another one is the trend to curved displays (which I don't crave), the omission of notification LEDs and probably also the trend towards wireless charging (which I actually find convenient).... I doubt it'll leave out the USB port because you would neither get an option to transfer data via OTG nor would be able to recover the phone when something is broken - but who knows
IMO Oneplus is following where the market is going. We could hope and argue that it could very well be the other way round, but the volume is not with us few tech enthusiasts but with the broad masses and the trendsetter presently is not Oneplus (which I would wish to be otherwise)....

You do realize the OnePlus 6 has a headphone jack right?

Phones without ports are the future. Within a few years you can powercharge your phone wirelessly. Would be better for all of us. And btw invest in a good pair of wireless headphones mk3 sony are very very very good.

for music - use audio players like astell kern, fiio etc. Its just a talk about your money, if you can afford it. But. About bezelless screens, its all very disapointing. Personally, i'd like to back to 16:9 screens, like 5 and 3t was. Oneplus is no more phones for geeks, its for beauty bloggers, HA

Pawer8 said:
I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech.
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But it did adapt to us. We humans (not me specifically until this phone) bought these phones without a headphone jack for 2 years. Didn't touch sales numbers. So the market adapted, one less hole to waterproof, and room to save costs on circuit noise reduction, integrated DAC+AMPs etc.
To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.
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exaggeration to get your point across
And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.
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subjective opinion
but yeah I mostly agree with everything else, I hate trends.

criptix said:
You do realize the OnePlus 6 has a headphone jack right?
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Sorry a typo.
Didn't get the 7/6t for the jack. Didn't even considered the 6 because of the notch (considering the 5t is just one step below the 6 i'd rather not have a notch).
I'll edit my first post
bartjeh1991 said:
Phones without ports are the future. Within a few years you can powercharge your phone wirelessly. Would be better for all of us. And btw invest in a good pair of wireless headphones mk3 sony are very very very good.
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Most troubling is not charge time but not being able to use your phone while charging. Plus I'd like to see how we would root a phone without ports...
s3axel said:
Technology is changing, rapidly and over and over again - part of this change is the move from wired headphones to wireless ones, another one is the trend to curved displays (which I don't crave), the omission of notification LEDs and probably also the trend towards wireless charging (which I actually find convenient).... I doubt it'll leave out the USB port because you would neither get an option to transfer data via OTG nor would be able to recover the phone when something is broken - but who knows
IMO Oneplus is following where the market is going. We could hope and argue that it could very well be the other way round, but the volume is not with us few tech enthusiasts but with the broad masses and the trendsetter presently is not Oneplus (which I would wish to be otherwise)....
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Wow just noticed the led thing. So glad I still have it.
Considering the new trend of not repairing broken stuff (ehem apple ehem) I worry that could extend to the rest of the market and end up killing the usb. But good point.
Your last point is very valid. But what I always liked about oneplus is that they didn't follow most trends. Instead they relied on community feedback (ofc ppl in forums is mostly geeks). Don't get me wrong. As a company that is probably the right strategy. I just wish they had like a second phone for us fans of the opo.

bartjeh1991 said:
Phones without ports are the future. Within a few years you can powercharge your phone wirelessly. Would be better for all of us. And btw invest in a good pair of wireless headphones mk3 sony are very very very good.
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by harnessing the kinetic and heat energy of you body?
even photon beam charging?
ive been questioning why we havent advanced in battery tech in a while... we are using hundreds (some would suggest thousands) of year old tech to power on our phones

Pawer8 said:
I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech. I'm actually disappointed to see how xda gave this phone "the best phone award". Companies are toying with us and as a oneplus fan I'm really sad to see them continue this despite the complaints of many over the 6T. I just just bought a 5T myself because of this (6 has a notch so went for the 5t). I fear that in the future there will be no option for those who want a headphone jack. And even worse, no charging port.
To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.
And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.
I wanted to create a poll but I don't see an option on the app, so I will just ask these questions. Let me know what you think.
Aren't you worried that the next models will ship with wireless charging only?
Is that what we will see in the future?
Would OP join this crazy trend?
PS: I'm posting on the OP forum since what I wanna discuss here is what will happen in the future and what do you guys think OP will do about it.
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I personally have used wireless bt headphones and now true wireless earbuds Jabra elite are amazing for years. Who wants cords when working out for starters. Second I don't understand the outrage over not having a headphone Jack. You spend 7-800 on bleeding edge tech but want to use wired headphones? Backwards to me. And honestly get used to it. It's not going away. Wireless everything. For me it's cloud, bt, wireless charging, casting, nfc file transfers etc....
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souless poet said:
I personally have used wireless bt headphones and now true wireless earbuds Jabra elite are amazing for years. Who wants cords when working out for starters. Second I don't understand the outrage over not having a headphone Jack. You spend 7-800 on bleeding edge tech but want to use wired headphones? Backwards to me. And honestly get used to it. It's not going away. Wireless everything. For me it's cloud, bt, wireless charging, casting, nfc file transfers etc....
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Well I have 3 pairs of headphones ranging from 100 to 200 quid so it's not about money.
I've tried bt headphones but they are a pain in my opinion. You have to charge them and sound quality is not as good. Tho I must say that in the car the 5T does seem to have better quality than the 3T over bluetooth but still can hear it struggle.
virtyx said:
by harnessing the kinetic and heat energy of you body?
even photon beam charging?
ive been questioning why we havent advanced in battery tech in a while... we are using hundreds (some would suggest thousands) of year old tech to power on our phones
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Hahah true. But also there have been improvements on battery tech. It's just that there have been no big changes. The main problem is that to store more energy you basically need to start looking at more exotic materials that at the same time are more dangerous to handle.

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Well I have 3 pairs of headphones ranging from 100 to 200 quid so it's not about money.
I've tried bt headphones but they are a pain in my opinion. You have to charge them and sound quality is not as good. Tho I must say that in the car the 5T does seem to have better quality than the 3T over bluetooth but still can hear it struggle.
Hahah true. But also there have been improvements on battery tech. It's just that there have been no big changes. The main problem is that to store more energy you basically need to start looking at more exotic materials that at the same time are more dangerous to handle.
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now to just find an minuscule sized nuclear reactor encapsulated by a moscovium infused gaseous-ring enforced with a vibranium outer casing, then i think we would be set.

Well I have 3 pairs of headphones ranging from 100 to 200 quid so it's not about money.
I've tried bt headphones but they are a pain in my opinion. You have to charge them and sound quality is not as good. Tho I must say that in the car the 5T does seem to have better quality than the 3T over bluetooth but still can hear it struggle.
Never have had an issue. My Sony over the ear wireless sound amazing. My Jabra sound quality is amazing as well and I have to charge the case once every two weeks. I mean we are living in a world where we have to charge our laptops and tablets and phones...don't think having to charge headphones is a deal breaker. Now again it's about preference. I'm good w not having a headphone Jack. Didn't use it when I had a phone that did. To each is own.
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You don't see us using vinyl records, feather with ink, or a wired telephone connection today do we? So, stop yapping about things you don't like, if you don't like change, then go back to your Nokia 3310. If people don't accept change like the headphone jack, or USB C port, then why would people still buy them? It's like the 90hz screen, once you have it, you don't wanna go back. Don't talk trash about things that you haven't tried.

Jt380p said:
You don't see us using vinyl records, feather with ink, or a wired telephone connection today do we? So, stop yapping about things you don't like, if you don't like change, then go back to your Nokia 3310. If people don't accept change like the headphone jack, or USB C port, then why would people still buy them? It's like the 90hz screen, once you have it, you don't wanna go back. Don't talk trash about things that you haven't tried.
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I have tried bluetooth headphones... Don't like them. They are heavy and need recharging. And batteries go bad with time.
It's hard to beat the comfort of a headphone that weighs half as much.
And yes many ppl use vinyl just so you know....
This trend took off thanks to apple fanboys.
What good things do we get by trading in the headphone jack?
Larger screens with notches? Or maybe popup cameras that will fail in a couple years?
It's not like they are trying to get the phones smaller...

About tastes there is nothing written and it is very difficult to please everyone equally.
Before they removed the Jack 3.5, I no longer used it, so I do not care.
For the usb-c to charge and sound, it would bother me a lot to remove it, because I do not like to lose the possibility of having cable sound input even for the C and even less be forced to have another device to charge? And I'm home? I think that is not possible ....
I do not like the drop noch either, but I prefer it to frames ... and the worst is the curve edge! Please! What is it for? To play reflexes ??? To lose screen? Life is curved? Yes, of course, when I play football when I get to the line, the ball falls into the void suddenly ... yuck! regards
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I do miss the headphone jack, but only because I have some really nice wired headphones that I would like to connect to my phone on the odd occasion because that's where all my music is. Saying that, 99% of the time I'm using my Jabra Elites. If needed, I can get a music player as a separate device to get my audio nerd on, whilst I admit I would rather have one device. But I'm not shlopping around a big set of headphones around with me all the time. That's not going to happen. Nowadays any decent set of wireless IEM's compete well with wired IEM's. I don't think they will get rid of ports altogether, just because what happens when it bricks. You always have to be able to physically connect up.

If you want to use wired headphones with your phpne, the OnePlus usbc dongle sounds about the same as the phpnes with the 3.5mm port. If you want true fidelity, you should try the digital audio players that was mentioned in a reply above. If you really want good quality playbacknon yoir phone, the only options are true USB-C DAC/AMP or bluetooth receivers like Fiio Q5S

Jt380p said:
You don't see us using vinyl records, feather with ink, or a wired telephone connection today do we? So, stop yapping about things you don't like, if you don't like change, then go back to your Nokia 3310. If people don't accept change like the headphone jack, or USB C port, then why would people still buy them? It's like the 90hz screen, once you have it, you don't wanna go back. Don't talk trash about things that you haven't tried.
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I think you are being too harsh. You may not realize but Vinyls quality of sound beats CD quality any day. When was the last time you had the luxury of listening to a clean vinyl? Ok, enough about the vinyls. I think what OP is trying to say is limiting the choices. I personally, would not care if phone does not have a phone jack as long as there is a similar model with a jack option. When you buy a car, besides many other available options available under different package and price points, you STILL have an option to buy stick or automatic transmission. Some of the innovation being made under the banner of "technology and advancement" is simply a marketing hype. Smartphone sales are way down if you look at any year to year data, so manufactures have to market the latest and greatest technology whether you need it or not.
So OP is not talking about trash, you need to be open-minded and think outside the narrow box. Here is a quote from Steven Spielberg:
Technology can be our best friend, and technology can also be the biggest party pooper of our lives. It interrupts our own story, interrupts our ability to have a thought or a daydream, to imagine something wonderful, because we're too busy bridging the walk from the cafeteria back to the office on the cell phone.
Steven Spielberg

Gr8man001 said:
I think you are being too harsh. You may not realize but Vinyls quality of sound beats CD quality any day. When was the last time you had the luxury of listening to a clean vinyl? Ok, enough about the vinyls. I think what OP is trying to say is limiting the choices. I personally, would not care if phone does not have a phone jack as long as there is a similar model with a jack option. When you buy a car, besides many other available options available under different package and price points, you STILL have an option to buy stick or automatic transmission. Some of the innovation being made under the banner of "technology and advancement" is simply a marketing hype. Smartphone sales are way down if you look at any year to year data, so manufactures have to market the latest and greatest technology whether you need it or not.
So OP is not talking about trash, you need to be open-minded and think outside the narrow box. Here is a quote from Steven Spielberg:
Technology can be our best friend, and technology can also be the biggest party pooper of our lives. It interrupts our own story, interrupts our ability to have a thought or a daydream, to imagine something wonderful, because we're too busy bridging the walk from the cafeteria back to the office on the cell phone.
Steven Spielberg
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Thanks. That was a perfect analogy.
frosty5689 said:
If you want to use wired headphones with your phpne, the OnePlus usbc dongle sounds about the same as the phpnes with the 3.5mm port. If you want true fidelity, you should try the digital audio players that was mentioned in a reply above. If you really want good quality playbacknon yoir phone, the only options are true USB-C DAC/AMP or bluetooth receivers like Fiio Q5S
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To be honest I could live with a phone with 2 usb-c. Just buy... 5 adapters and use some heatshrink to secure them.
As I'm writing this I'm using both the usb and the jack on my phone.
That wouldn't be too crazy would it?

Pawer8 said:
I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech. I'm actually disappointed to see how xda gave this phone "the best phone award". Companies are toying with us and as a oneplus fan I'm really sad to see them continue this despite the complaints of many over the 6T. I just just bought a 5T myself because of this (6 has a notch so went for the 5t). I fear that in the future there will be no option for those who want a headphone jack. And even worse, no charging port.
To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.
And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.
I wanted to create a poll but I don't see an option on the app, so I will just ask these questions. Let me know what you think.
Aren't you worried that the next models will ship with wireless charging only?
Is that what we will see in the future?
Would OP join this crazy trend?
PS: I'm posting on the OP forum since what I wanna discuss here is what will happen in the future and what do you guys think OP will do about it.
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While I mean no offense to you, I think people who trash talk phones without headphone jacks just want something to complain about. The headphone jack isn't gone. Just use an adapter. There's your headphone jack as an option if you so desperately need it.
Sure, it's a half an inch long cord, but there's the absolutely perfect solution to your problem.
I know you're going to reply to this by saying "But it's so inconvenient! It would be so much more convenient if it was built in! I'll lose the cable!",
You can either use an adapter, hook it onto the end of your wired headphones so you don't lose it, or you can not have a headphone jack at all, and make posts on an anonymous Internet forum about how disappointed you are.
Technology nowadays is extremely powerful, and it's honestly a pretty amazing marvel of engineering and skill. A little lightweight rectangle that can access the biggest archive of information known to man, and you just kind of gripe about some port that you can reattach if you really wanted to? Or the size of a screen? If the screen is too big, get a smaller screen!
I really do apologise if this comes off as rude, but it seems really really trivial to me. The tech world can't cater to your every whim, and if you really want it to that bad, get a phone with a headphone jack and a smaller screen.
To me, your post just gives off a really, entitled sort of vibe. Again, no offense meant towards you.

Note 10+ features ported to Note 9

Hi
I wonder if some features of the Note 10+ could be ported to the Note 9
I believe that the features that dont depend on different or addicional hardware could be ported
E.G.
- Double tap to wake on system options (that wont mess up AoD)
- S Pen features such as Handwriting recognition or others (not the gestures part cause they depend on some addiocional hardware on the Note 9 S Pen, and also... they´re just weird *...)
- SuperSteady Video and Night Mode on front camera would be nice but i´m suspecting that those features might require different or addicional hardware
- Samsung DeX on Windows would also be nice to have...
These are a few of the features i would enjoy on my Note 9
What you guys think?
Do you believe that is better to make the upgrade?
Or you agree that some of the new features of the Note 10+ should be updated to the Note 9 from Samsung itself?
What features would you like to use on your Note 9?
RSGI
* - If you dont mind looking like Harry Potter while taking a picture outside... go ahead and upgrade

Have upgraded but I agree, a lot of the newer features are mostly software...
After the hoo-haa of the Note 10 release, probably 3 - 4 months away, the Note 9 should get a few of these features (those not dependent on the new hardware anyway)..
If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.

ultramag69 said:
If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.
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This is typical of all mobile device manufacturers. As that is the only way the can make a profit. Also all modern electronics are designed to fail within 2 years.

iceepyon said:
This is typical of all mobile device manufacturers. As that is the only way the can make a profit. Also all modern electronics are designed to fail within 2 years.
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Hey, I'm with my S5 since start of 2015 and it's still working fine Gonna upgrade to the 512 N9 tho.

ultramag69 said:
Have upgraded but I agree, a lot of the newer features are mostly software...
After the hoo-haa of the Note 10 release, probably 3 - 4 months away, the Note 9 should get a few of these features (those not dependent on the new hardware anyway)..
If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.
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Forcing? Seriously? What an entitled generation! Samsung pays for that software to be developed. You can pay for it too! They aren't forcing you to do anything. Profit is good. It drives innovation.

koragg97 said:
Hey, I'm with my S5 since start of 2015 and it's still working fine Gonna upgrade to the 512 N9 tho.
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My old Note 4 N910C is working perfectly as well. However recently I have been having issues getting a decent signal with HK Cell Providers, which is what forced me to upgrade to the Note 8.

gruuvin said:
Forcing? Seriously? What an entitled generation! Samsung pays for that software to be developed. You can pay for it too! They aren't forcing you to do anything. Profit is good. It drives innovation.
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I would pay them to use the features on my Note 9.
But I will never buy a phone without headphone jack and a punchout hole.

I'd really like the screen recorder software on the note 10+ to be ported to the note 9!
I recieved my note 10+ yesterday and its really not impressing me. It feels a little off for some reason. Maybe because the power button being on the left side? I can't quite place my distaste for this phone.
I find my fingers getting in the way of the camera quite easily. And the front facing camera, not sure if I'd ever get use to that. Every time I make/recieve a call all I see is that camera about to goto my ear and it feels like my ear is about to be violated by a doctor with a telephoto stethoscope?
Enough of that though! Yes, the screen recorder definitely needs to come to the note 9.

Shad0wsabr3 said:
I'd really like the screen recorder software on the note 10+ to be ported to the note 9!
I recieved my note 10+ yesterday and its really not impressing me. It feels a little off for some reason. Maybe because the power button being on the left side? I can't quite place my distaste for this phone.
I find my fingers getting in the way of the camera quite easily. And the front facing camera, not sure if I'd ever get use to that. Every time I make/recieve a call all I see is that camera about to goto my ear and it feels like my ear is about to be violated by a doctor with a telephoto stethoscope?
Enough of that though! Yes, the screen recorder definitely needs to come to the note 9.
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You can get native screen recording with good Lock using the nice shot module.

Isn't it a bit like you would have to buy a new PC every time windows comes with a new feature or something?
Anyway, I can search handwritten notes and also extract text, so I think Note9 already has Handwriting recognition? Maybe it's build in the the Note app itself?

Chaos Engine said:
I would pay them to use the features on my Note 9.
But I will never buy a phone without headphone jack and a punchout hole.
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I agree! Neither would I. I'll use a Note9 for as long as possible, and if Samsung doesn't smarten up, this will be my last Samsung. No headphone jack was a retarded Apple idea that Samsung follows like lemmings off a cliff.

gruuvin said:
I agree! Neither would I. I'll use a Note9 for as long as possible, and if Samsung doesn't smarten up, this will be my last Samsung. No headphone jack was a retarded Apple idea that Samsung follows like lemmings off a cliff.
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To be fair Samsung has been following Apple for a long time.

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To be fair Samsung has been following Apple for a long time.
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Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.

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Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.
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The curved display, while a little annoying, isn't so bad, you can get used to it --- my only huge complaint about it is that it makes cases a nightmare because you can't physically reach the edges of the screen thanks to the design of most cases... (Although arguably if you don't drop the phone you really don't need a case today thanks to the super-hard gorilla glass, I'm just paranoid from so many years of " just look at the phone to hard and it'll get a scratch" --- the one and only feature that flip phones really were a better design)
Also, I think I saw somewhere that one version of the Note 10 actually loses the SD card once again in favor of dual SIMs instead... (though that could be for specific markets where it's more popular like Asia)
I agree on the headphone jack - I actually spend considerable money on good headphones (both my main PC headphones and my phone headset are Sennheiser) because you simply cannot get the same quality from Bluetooth yet (not to mention that is one more device to remember to charge --- though when/if they could get charging as quick as the Spen I'd forgive that, I'd even give up longer listening times if I could just hold the headphones against the back of the device for 30 seconds to get an hour of listening time)
And here's a disturbing thought --- Is the removal of the headphone jack just a step towards removing ALL wired peripheral support? I mean we have wireless charging now, and wireless headphones/headsets, not to mention wireless keyboards/mouse and wireless displays (albeit with slow refresh time and/or high lag) so arguably they could "justify" removing the USB port as well to claim "now it's 100% sealed so it's more waterproof!" while, in reality, making it that much harder to root the phone (and conveniently making wireless peripherals "only work best with Samsung brands" like the Samsung's wireless earbuds)?

gruuvin said:
Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.
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Move on, who uses wired headphones anyway? It is more and more as cliche.

Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Move on, who uses wired headphones anyway? It is more and more as cliche.
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Lots of people use wired headphones. And lots of people are not buying devices because they lack a 3m5mm audio jack.
But, Go on and toe the line for device manufactures though, who are simply doing this the cut costs and make waterproof certification easier.

Bober_is_a_troll said:
Lots of people use wired headphones. And lots of people are not buying devices because they lack a 3m5mm audio jack.
But, Go on and toe the line for device manufactures though, who are simply doing this the cut costs and make waterproof certification easier.
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Well it's not like if technology shouldn't advance. I'm not saying the Jack has to go right now, but at some point it will need to. Could you imagine if digital cameras today still required a roll of film to use in some way?
Now instead of buying a roll of film, you buy an sdcard. Instead of buying wires, you buy wireless. Instead of using fax, you can now email.
All advances my friends, all advances. And yes a company has to cut cost because....
Say it with me...
"All businesses are in the business of making money!"
Hey look at it this way though. At least the phone comes with wireless Airbuds that IT can charge. Now that's tech! I can't charge any other damn thing in my house without plugging it in, yet that thing can charge music transporters?!
Think about that for a second...

Jammol said:
Well it's not like if technology shouldn't advance. I'm not saying the Jack has to go right now, but at some point it will need to. Could you imagine if digital cameras today still required a roll of film to use in some way?
Now instead of buying a roll of film, you buy an sdcard. Instead of buying wires, you buy wireless. Instead of using fax, you can now email.
All advances my friends, all advances. And yes a company has to cut cost because....
Say it with me...
"All businesses are in the business of making money!"
Hey look at it this way though. At least the phone comes with wireless Airbuds that IT can charge. Now that's tech! I can't charge any other damn thing in my house without plugging it in, yet that thing can charge music transporters?!
Think about that for a second...
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OEM's put headphone jacks on phones back in the days of the flip phone. Now everyone is just copying Apple becasue it's so trendy. The jack will never be obsolete lol. Sure, IR and a jack connector are “old tech”. The launch date of the tech is not the relevant factor. What matters is whether these technologies remain in installed use. Most PA systems, projectors, TVs, air cons etc installed and in use in hotels, meeting rooms, schools, clubs and so on use these technologies.
So if you want to interface with them, you need those technologies.
I just love it when all these bleeding edge people with their bleeding edge gizmos discover that it takes an old fuddy-duddy with a proper ‘workhorse’ phone to be able to get the projector switched on before business can commence.

Jammol said:
Well it's not like if technology shouldn't advance. I'm not saying the Jack has to go right now, but at some point it will need to. Could you imagine if digital cameras today still required a roll of film to use in some way?
Now instead of buying a roll of film, you buy an sdcard. Instead of buying wires, you buy wireless. Instead of using fax, you can now email.
All advances my friends, all advances. And yes a company has to cut cost because....
Say it with me...
"All businesses are in the business of making money!"
Hey look at it this way though. At least the phone comes with wireless Airbuds that IT can charge. Now that's tech! I can't charge any other damn thing in my house without plugging it in, yet that thing can charge music transporters?!
Think about that for a second...
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How idiodic to compare going from film to SD cards.. a clear improvement,both in terms of speed and reusability.
While on the other hand going from wired headphones with no audio quality loss,no batteries to recharge, and most importantly, NO BATTERIES TO RECHARGE.
Wireless headphones are useless for many people, including those who ride streetbikes and put headphones I. While riding. Good luck getting wireless headphones to fit under a helmet without turning your ears Into Swiss cheese, and hopefully you don't go out for more than 4 hours at a time, otherwise, no music 4 u!
It's not an "advancement". You don't need to remove the headphone jack to have the ability to use wireless headphones.
Say it with me one more time.... The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack is just a way for companies to cut costs and make waterproof certification easier. It has nothing to do with "technology advancing". It's the same reason that only the note 4 had a IR blaster and then they stopped that. It was an incredibly useful feature that was cut to make more $$$. Samsung is doing it's best to put me on a xaomi or huwaie phone. Currently they seem to be the best phones on the market when you look at features vs price.
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dave678 said:
OEM's put headphone jacks on phones back in the days of the flip phone. Now everyone is just copying Apple becasue it's so trendy. The jack will never be obsolete lol. Sure, IR and a jack connector are “old tech”. The launch date of the tech is not the relevant factor. What matters is whether these technologies remain in installed use. Most PA systems, projectors, TVs, air cons etc installed and in use in hotels, meeting rooms, schools, clubs and so on use these technologies.
So if you want to interface with them, you need those technologies.
I just love it when all these bleeding edge people with their bleeding edge gizmos discover that it takes an old fuddy-duddy with a proper ‘workhorse’ phone to be able to get the projector switched on before business can commence.
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But, but, my phone has a 98% screen to bezel ratio! It's certainly better!

dave678 said:
OEM's put headphone jacks on phones back in the days of the flip phone. Now everyone is just copying Apple becasue it's so trendy. The jack will never be obsolete lol. Sure, IR and a jack connector are “old tech”. The launch date of the tech is not the relevant factor. What matters is whether these technologies remain in installed use. Most PA systems, projectors, TVs, air cons etc installed and in use in hotels, meeting rooms, schools, clubs and so on use these technologies.
So if you want to interface with them, you need those technologies.
I just love it when all these bleeding edge people with their bleeding edge gizmos discover that it takes an old fuddy-duddy with a proper ‘workhorse’ phone to be able to get the projector switched on before business can commence.
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Bober_is_a_troll said:
How idiodic to compare going from film to SD cards.. a clear improvement,both in terms of speed and reusability.
While on the other hand going from wired headphones with no audio quality loss,no batteries to recharge, and most importantly, NO BATTERIES TO RECHARGE.
Wireless headphones are useless for many people, including those who ride streetbikes and put headphones I. While riding. Good luck getting wireless headphones to fit under a helmet without turning your ears Into Swiss cheese, and hopefully you don't go out for more than 4 hours at a time, otherwise, no music 4 u!
It's not an "advancement". You don't need to remove the headphone jack to have the ability to use wireless headphones.
Say it with me one more time.... The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack is just a way for companies to cut costs and make waterproof certification easier. It has nothing to do with "technology advancing". It's the same reason that only the note 4 had a IR blaster and then they stopped that. It was an incredibly useful feature that was cut to make more $$$. Samsung is doing it's best to put me on a xaomi or huwaie phone. Currently they seem to be the best phones on the market when you look at features vs price.
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But, but, my phone has a 98% screen to bezel ratio! It's certainly better!
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Why do I get the idea that neither of you took my post for the sarcasm sections that it had.??? Well it is somewhat difficult to portray over text with giveaways. ?
Well I guess I have to be serious about my post then.
First guy, Dave, cool man, yes those technologies are everywhere, the systems advanced to where they got so that they can be utilized everywhere. Wireless tech is advancing as well. BMW has a car that can be charged wirelessly. Think of all the other tech that could be charged wirelessly in the future. Or what other advancements they can make based off that tech. Wait, why am I even talking about this? None of the TVs in my house have RGB connectors, and they said that's the best visual experience we could get. Now we have wireless 4k.
As for the troll guy, I am starting to think you might be the troll. Or you're just really hotheaded. You started your reply with calling my comparison idiotic. And you want an intelligent response from people? Nowhere in my post did I use inflamatory or disrespectful language, but in this one you'll get the feeling.
The point of my post was to show a logical reason for killing the headphone Jack. I even stated it shouldn't be killed right now, but no, you decided to skip over that first opening slice. I went on to agree with you on the fact that yes, they are doing it to cut cost. Hence "all businesses are in the business of making money!" Cause you know, people like money and companies have people in them. A shareholder's goal is to make as much money as possible so that the company keeps making money. Yes cut costs to save money. Hey look I was still agreeing with you.
You all sound like a bunch of old folks who don't like change. If you don't like the direction a company is going, buy some shares and be on the board of decision makers. If not, don't buy their devices. Or....go make your own.
Things will change with or without you, so either accept it or continue to feel bitter about old tech, yes OLD TECH, I SAID IT!!!
I need to stay off the internet at night. I seem to get into some weird stuff.
By the way, while y'all are *****ing about the 3.5mm headphone jack and missing it oh so much, Flynt Michigan STILL doesn't have clean water fam. STILL!??
TALK ABOUT LACK OF ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOGY!