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[Discussion] Stock OOS Camera Discussion- Feature Request

Hello Community! Greetings from Bangladesh.
There has been lots of buzz regarding Oneplus 3 Camera. For a great device like One Plus 3, Camera performance is one of the thing that many users dont like. I meant to say, since the device uses a decent sensor, a well developed camera app could have boosted the camera performance more. To me the camera performance is not that bad, but still it could have been much better. We saw Dev like SultanXDA can do magic and can really push a device's full potential to the maximum.
I was hoping if someone could have drawn the attention of one plus developers to make the camera app a bit more rich. I mean OOS camera doesnt really have that many options. We have manual mode, but its not complete, there is some limitation. I m not talking about some fancy filters here. If we look at Camera option of Sultan's CM 13, it has way more customization option than Stock OOS. Since Oneplus has not yet been friendly regarding camera Blob's and stuffs it has become pretty tough for the developers to implement something for the custom roms. Its been long, but except for Sultan's CM 13 camera performance in other custom roms are yet pretty much disappointing. We have Stock OOS camera port for custom rom, but it has some limitations.
So what i m asking here is One Plus Dev team should focus on their camera app. For example- Nubia Devices a great camera app which can make use of the sensor pretty well. Similarly Lenovo SnapIt camera has lots of customization too.
I m welcoming discussion from user community here regarding this matter. Please comment about the features that you want to have in Stock OOS camera app. Thus we can let OOS dev team know about our demand.
Thanks.

Worth getting now or wait for the Mi A3?

Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.

ond96 said:
Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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If you can wait, I would recomend it. Too many problems.

To be honest, my device doesn't have 90% of the bugs reported in these forums. I probably have one of the newer stocks of the product. The only bug that i come across on a daily basis is the unstable face unlock. Have no over heating issues, stellar performance, manageable battery life (gotta be honest, not its strong point), fantastic camera (raw with gcam), super easy to mod
I'm totally in love with this phone. Hasn't let me down in any way. But yeah, if you're able to wait for the Mi A3 then that would be better. But if you want something now, this device is worth the money. If android one isn't your prime focus then check out the redmi 7

If you want nice custom ROMs buy Mi A2, because you must wait a lot of time after Mi A3 released for TWRP and etc ...!!

I have mi a1 and mi a2, so far both phones had zero issues whatsoever, none of the bugs reported here. To be fair I'd go for the mi a2 it is a great phone, and I love it.
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jaycedam said:
If you can wait, I would recomend it. Too many problems.
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Too many bugs you expireanced your self, or to many bugs yeah heard some one that heard some one that had a friend who had another friend who possibly had the phone that might have had or might have had not any bugs?

I don't have any issue with my Mi A2, I am using stock Pie, not unlocked, not rooted. . . everything is working normal, just notification led is laggy and laggy animations when live wallpapers applied, but better buy Mi A3 xD

mi a3 is probly coming just in the autumn this year, so no probably not worth the wait. if you want a xiaomi with android one the a2 is your best bet. like others said, if you want a miui xiaomi you can find better options at the same price (poco f1, redmi notes), if you're willing to spend more look also at the nokias with android one.

I really like this phone and have zero issues with it. waiting will take 6+ months
remember that the problems reported here are specially amplified when compared with how many units xiaomi sold, and really small for all the leechers inthis forum
however, I also have the a2-nokia-equivalent, the nokia 7 plus. if you can afford the difference go for it. it has camera2api and volte enabled by default. it also has widevide l1 codec and better build quality. the update to the pie also arrived a lot faster.

tixoo said:
I have mi a1 and mi a2, so far both phones had zero issues whatsoever, none of the bugs reported here. To be fair I'd go for the mi a2 it is a great phone, and I love it.
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Too many bugs you expireanced your self, or to many bugs yeah heard some one that heard some one that had a friend who had another friend who possibly had the phone that might have had or might have had not any bugs?
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+1 :good:

ond96 said:
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The Support and Development community for this device has been superb. The members here on XDA have really gone all out to make up for Xiaomi's shortcomings.
So if you can get one relatively inexpensive, go for it.

If you are willing, have patience and know how to deal with custom roms - yeah, it's a gr8 device with some issues (I don't like the vibration motor, lol)
If you want to buy it just for the official "very vell supported" android one experience - forget it... and in my opinion - forget about MI3. Buy Pixel or at least Nokia.
Now I'm rocking AOSP Extended ROM + Gcam + Lawnchair V2 Alpha + QuickSwitch Magisk Module. And device feels very smooth.
Also we just got Ressurection Remix 7.0, so I'm keeping an eye on it. ROM support is awesome here, and it keeps coming.
But... on custom ROM I haven't found a way to get a stable camera yet...
I used MI Cam, Gcam - and they have bugs... None of them support 60 FPS + EIS recording.
This is nr. 1 thing that's missing for me right now... normal bugless camera.
So yeah... it depends dude...

On thursday my Redmi 3s stopped working, i just could not power it on, so i have decided to buy a new phone, i was considering either Mi A2 or ASUS Max pro M1. This one won because better camera and Android one. I am planning to stay in stock ROM at least for a year because of the warranty, i guess this is gonna be a huge difference to previous Havoc OS.

ond96 said:
On thursday my Redmi 3s stopped working, i just could not power it on, so i have decided to buy a new phone, i was considering either Mi A2 or ASUS Max pro M1. This one won because better camera and Android one. I am planning to stay in stock ROM at least for a year because of the warranty, i guess this is gonna be a huge difference to previous Havoc OS.
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it's an easier switch compared to say... miui to android one.
i've switched to the a2 from a mido with official lineage and while i missed some things i have to say it was a pretty easy adjustment. and stock is stock. it just works.

ond96 said:
Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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Here are my 2 rupees :laugh: and a bit of a rant which I hope clears your doubts:
I used A1 and currently using A2 with buyer's remorse (should have bought Nokia). I got both these devices for the clean Android experience and it is not turning out to be the case. A2 now has MIUI like "about phone" setting at the top in settings. There is no clear rules on how Google decides which phone will become an Android One phone. I am starting to think that this Android one project is just for the name sake, I don't see any google's direct involvement in this project, we can argue that google makes the builds and vendors just add their features but again doesn't every other manufacturer does that like Samsung and LG, they take the AOSP builds and tweak them as per their requirements (correct me if I am wrong). Monthly security patches are mandatory by google but not every manufacturer follows it. To sum it up Android One is no longer that essential or a distinctive "feature", it is a package that gives you monthly security updates and new version upgrades.
This "A" series now seems to be an upper mid-range or lower high-end one and with A2's price and chipset, it is clear that Xiaomi is starting to charge a bit of a premium (cameras are really average), so why not also wait for Google's new Pixel lite? The price will be higher but you will have developers support like anything else. A2 doesn't even have an official twrp and the developer support seems scarce to say the least. On that note, if you want custom ROM support, wait a few months after the launch, if lot of people buy it then developers will support it, A2 got shadowed by Poco (Xiaomi gave F1s to developers for free to develop ROMs for it.). A1's development got gradually better over time because it didn't had any incident like that.
The current problems with A2: Slow emmc, No camera2api support (Even nokia's, cheaper than A2, 6.1 plus has it), mono audio recording, no arcore, low headphone volume like really low, Xiaomi's freedom of changing UI interface (Android One's ambiguity), average cameras, proximity sensor, smaller battery.
If every problem is fixed in A3 i'll also buy it, heck even if they kept the same cameras and enabled cam2 api it'll be enough to give me freedom to use other camera apps like google's tweaked camera or manual camera for better utilization of camera. If they fix everything I'll also get A3 if they don't i'll look for other options and certainly not buy A2 right now

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Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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it's not just half year, realistically you can probly find the a3 for sale at a decent price only in autumn. a1 launched in september 2017, a2 launched late summer, they both had normal pricing and availability just in late late autumn more like holiday season. as others pointed out, the a2-s worse nightmare was nokia and the poco f1. chances are a3 will face the same fierce competition in the form of the future f2 and whatever nokia has to say.

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it's not just half year, realistically you can probly find the a3 for sale at a decent price only in autumn. a1 launched in september 2017, a2 launched late summer, they both had normal pricing and availability just in late late autumn more like holiday season. as others pointed out, the a2-s worse nightmare was nokia and the poco f1. chances are a3 will face the same fierce competition in the form of the future f2 and whatever nokia has to say.
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actually this is a good point, the best that would convince me that waiting is not worth it
A2 128GB (which i have bought currently, cuz no SD slot) was at good price about a month before christmas.
so yeah, i would actually wait almost a year

Best stable rom currently?

Hey guys i want to know if anyone can guide or suggest best working rom other then ofcourse mi rom . I have tried evolution rom and pixel experience rom. Evolution was working great, only issue is screen dead randomly. While pixel experience is strange , screen lag, front camera pop issues .
So if you guys happy with one rom, ticks all bars. Would be great.

I've planned to buy this phone, but I kinda disappointed about custom roms development. there is no stable PIE yet when ppl expecting android 10 already. This is not a "Top Seller" phone deserves ...

It's still only a mere few months since it launched. It'll take some time for more development to pop-up. AFAIK most of the devs are holding back until sources for android 10 are released completely.
Compared to devices like Poco F1 this one didn't get extra promotion especially on xda (like how the F1 got distributed to top devs just like the RN8Pro now for seeding development), also probably has lesser sales in comparison .. so it'll just take a bit more time and should soon speed up in light of the stable android 10 based updates.

nakulp said:
It's still only a mere few months since it launched. It'll take some time for more development to pop-up. AFAIK most of the devs are holding back until sources for android 10 are released completely.
Compared to devices like Poco F1 this one didn't get extra promotion especially on xda (like how the F1 got distributed to top devs just like the RN8Pro now for seeding development), also probably has lesser sales in comparison .. so it'll just take a bit more time and should soon speed up in light of the stable android 10 based updates.
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My k20 pro is on way to me, and i think people should be more patient, its new device, to make a good stable rom you have to work for months on it. This device will definitely got support for many years.

nakulp said:
It's still only a mere few months since it launched. It'll take some time for more development to pop-up. AFAIK most of the devs are holding back until sources for android 10 are released completely.
Compared to devices like Poco F1 this one didn't get extra promotion especially on xda (like how the F1 got distributed to top devs just like the RN8Pro now for seeding development), also probably has lesser sales in comparison .. so it'll just take a bit more time and should soon speed up in light of the stable android 10 based updates.
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Agree, but OP7 Pro and K20 Pro released at the same time, almost same devices and challenges like FOD, Pop-up camera and etc. Also OP7 Pro got official custom roms too rather than unofficial ones. kinda jealous ...

There's no stable alternative to the miui 10 rom. Even miui 11 is quite buggy.
I've tried all of the roms on here. They each have their quirks and bugs. After trying aosp gestures, miui 11 is leagues ahead too. That's another thing to consider.

emperor280 said:
Agree, but OP7 Pro and K20 Pro released at the same time, almost same devices and challenges like FOD, Pop-up camera and etc. Also OP7 Pro got official custom roms too rather than unofficial ones. kinda jealous ...
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The fan following & 'professional reviewers' following of One Plus is much larger than that of Redmi.
It's almost like they consider themselves the Apple of Android thus sometimes the mad, blind hype to get the latest one == larger dev interest.
Jealousy is totally normal, even I felt the same when there was so much interest in poco f1 & kernel development by several elite devs & also the time when I'd a SD821 Mi Note 2 but Pixel had a more highly thriving community but nevertheless good things like roms & kernels started coming out in about 9-10 months & still decent today..
If the hardware is strong, the device sources made available asap after official releases then we'll have development for quite a long time! :highfive:

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I've planned to buy this phone, but I kinda disappointed about custom roms development. there is no stable PIE yet when ppl expecting android 10 already. This is not a "Top Seller" phone deserves ...
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All I hear in this forum is "mimimimimi"... What's wrong with this community? Be patient please!

The Mi 9T pro / K20 pro is a great device considering the price of $ 370.
+ 4000mAh battery
+ No notch
+ Amoled screen
+ Quick charge 27 W
- But I dislike miui in every single way
On the other hand, I think about oneplus 7 considering the price of $ 400:
+ Dual speakers
+ Amoled screen
+ Main camera with OIS
++ Oxygen OS (like vanilla android)
- 3700 mAh
- only in black color for this price
- screen with notch
In my opinion, I decided to wait a little longer while I follow the development of custom roms.

Question: Front camera and AOSP ROMs

I actually wanted to buy the Pixel 4a. Since that's not coming out soon enough for me, I am planning to buy this phone. Getting a very good price of $250 by exchanging my old OnePlus 3.
My biggest concern is the front camera quality. MKBHD said in his review that the front camera is straight-up garbage. Is that true even with the Google Camera mod for this device?
Also, are the AOSP ROMs for this phone good/stable enough to be used? I like the OOS and I'd absolutely prefer to use something closer to AOSP than MIUI. I see people around here rave about the performance, stability, features of custom ROMs but I also see people talk about bugs fairly regularly. I can do dirty flashes something like once a month and clean flashes can take me longer.
Would you recommend I buy this?

Hi.
Front camera with stock camera app is not so good, but it is also not a garbage as that MKBHD said. With GCam it is much much better.
AOSP roms are stable to use with this phone. Just there is not a real OOS ROM, there is GSI version, and it is not good, have some bugs.
Other aosp roms i have try and they are really good are ZenX OS my favourite for now, then aosip, project-404 , really good roms, without bugs at least at my phone.
But any way when you want to install a new rom, it is advice to instal clean with format data, etc, then when it is update you just dirty flash, except when developer said it is preferable to clean flash.
Definitely i recommend you to buy this phone, it is even much better then that pixel 4a you are waiting for.

Thank you for your response slavke1976. It's very helpful.
slavke1976 said:
Definitely i recommend you to buy this phone, it is even much better then that pixel 4a you are waiting for.
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Could you elaborate a little on why you said this? I was under the impression that Pixel 4a would definitely be a much superior phone. I think so because the google camera should definitely be miles ahead than the competition. And the phone would get much much better software support and for a longer time. And those two are the two things I am looking for on my little budget.

If you want phone with smaller screen, then wait pixel 4a. But in rest of things Mi9t pro is much better choice, as it has flagship processor. GCam is same good as stock pixel camera. you have lots of custom aosp roms to bring you same feelings as on pixel. software support it will be sure miui 12 and miui 13 official, but custom will be even more. Because mi9t pro is very popular device ( i write mi9t pro as i have such version, but k20pro it is same ) .
and finaly it is a question if pixel 4a will see day of light soon. i heard some words that new pixel 5 will have cheaper processor and it will be cheaper in price then pixel 4, so maybe that pixel 5 will be actually pixel 4a but with little higher price ( 500$ ) .
you can also wait new oneplus zero , it will be also good price.

Question how is xiaomi vs samsung in pushing new updates?how often?

how is xiaomi vs samsung in pushing new updates?how often?
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Samsung wins hands down for me ! Regular (monthly) updates, always latest security patches....

s3axel said:
Samsung wins hands down for me ! Regular (monthly) updates, always latest security patches....
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im asking that for my Deliberation - which phone to buy - ultra 21 or mi 11 pro

Ultra 21 as Mi 11 has default hard coded Google dialer which is ugly and not very user friendly, a total deal breaker for me.
But if you have patience to go with 1) boot locker unblocking 2) Change recovery 3) Download and instal EU Rom 4) Restore your apps and data then you can choose Mi 11.

Shailendra Garg said:
Ultra 21 as Mi 11 has default hard coded Google dialer which is ugly and not very user friendly, a total deal breaker for me....
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Hmmm, isnt it Samsung Dialer on the S21U ?...well, anyhow, you can change the default dialer (I'm using True Phone for some time now)...

I am not sure about usefulness of samsung dialer or true dialer but missing Miui dialer a lot.

xiaomi is useless at updates, flagships get a bit better treatment but montly patches, no never.
they couldnt deliver security patches even on android one devices. they are/were always late, and they even skiped a few months.
the only way to get a decent rom is with unlock/customs.

so , maybe oneplus 9 pro will do better jobe in all aspects including updates?

Updates are way overrated. They can and do break phones.
The 21U has a big price tag and no SD card slot.
Running Android 11 and that OS is less than stellar. I'm not impressed.
There's also owners experiencing the display dying, just goes black. Their are a couple XDA members that had it happen.
A used Note 10+/Pie* or a Note 20U/Q* are better phones in my opinion. It will be the next major release that holds any hope and that maybe influenced by the chipset availability or lack of.
I'm seriously considering buying another 10+, well built, fast, stable and a lot less issues with hardware and the bloody OS. It's a solid performer with a drop dead gorgeous square corner display. Running at 60hz but no tint or brightness issues; colors and gamma are excellent.
*Snapdragon variant, if you want to root maybe not a good choice, otherwise the best chipset

mmns said:
how is xiaomi vs samsung in pushing new updates?how often?
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I have had Xiaomi Mi 11 ultra for more than 3 weeks now. It is my first Xiaomi device ever, so I can't comment on it's update frequency or quality. However, I have had quite a long experience with Samsung flagship smartphones since 2010. Of late Samsung has really improved their software update frequency and quality.
I have S21 ultra 16/512 GB sitting iny drawer for past 3 weeks as I wanted to give Mi 11 ultra a try for its camera.
My observations:
1. Camera - Still and Videos - Mi 11 ultra is better overall. S21 ultra is not bad at all though, with very consistent output in all conditions.
2. Display - S21 ultra has slight edge as it seems a notch brighter under sunlight. Quality wise I would say both are neck to neck.
3. Battery - Mi 11 ultra seems to have better battery backup (with similar settings), especially the standby drain with 4G data on all the time. Also, the charging is much faster on Mi 11 ultra.
4. Design & Build quality - Personal preference. Tie IMO. Xiaomi has really made a premium flagship this time. I mean the Mi 11 ultra doesn't even have any percievable panel gaps like S21 ultra!
5. Audio - Mi 11 ultra has better sounding stereo speakers IMO (better lows). Sound via galaxy buds live is similar on both.
6. Performance - Snapdragon 888 powered Mi 11 ultra is better than Exynos S21 ultra for gaming and media editing apps.
7. UI - Samsung's one UI is better IMO with lesser hard-coded junk (at least you don't need a third party app to disable Google apps on Samsung)! I might have a bias here, as I'm used to Samsung UI for years.
8. Extra features - S21 ultra has S pen support. Mi 11 ultra has IR blaster, Heart rate sensor and a 55W charger included. Also, the option for higher storage (512 GB) is there in S21 ultra, if you want.
Conclusion - I'm honestly blown away with the quality Xiaomi is offering for the price of 70k INR! I honestly bought it to break Samsung monotony in my smartphone upgrades, and I think I will keep it untill Samsung lures me back with something better in future.
P.S - OnePlus 9 pro is not in the same league as the the other two IMO!

well yes, xiaomi does make good hardware. software not so much.
if you check out their own c.mi.com forums, there are countless users complaining, they just dont care. there's 0 trnsparency about which devices are maintained and which they've abandoned, you dont know when you buy one how long they'll "support" it. it's like they have no interest in support. a lot of the guides and fixes end up being found and shared by end users. the few bug they do achnowlwdge are just being trown around between google's fault, qualcomm's fault, and we need more data, we released a fix maybe it will work... it woukd be funny if it wouldnt be about actual problems. they have a habbit of breaking ota updates on stock phones, simply by missmatching release targets. yes, im not kidding. they invented the concept of stable beta releases. where they beta test updates on random users. honestly where with oems you want them to release a patch, with xiaomi you wonder if you should risk installing it in case they found some new and improved way to break your phone.
funny thing is a lot of devices get a lot more fixed on their custom roms. countless devices that they reported nonono we cannot upgrade it to android 10, the hardware is not compatible. guess what the custom roms did it the next day.
at least for now they let users unlock their bootloaders (even if the process is broken af) and lately they provide kernel source codes, even if they always forget to keep them up to date.
it is what it is, ive learnt my lessons the hard way, only getting their phones after i see custom roms and treat them as hardware vendors.

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well yes, xiaomi does make good hardware. software not so much.
if you check out their own c.mi.com forums, there are countless users complaining, they just dont care. there's 0 trnsparency about which devices are maintained and which they've abandoned, you dont know when you buy one how long they'll "support" it. it's like they have no interest in support. a lot of the guides and fixes end up being found and shared by end users. the few bug they do achnowlwdge are just being trown around between google's fault, qualcomm's fault, and we need more data, we released a fix maybe it will work... it woukd be funny if it wouldnt be about actual problems. they have a habbit of breaking ota updates on stock phones, simply by missmatching release targets. yes, im not kidding. they invented the concept of stable beta releases. where they beta test updates on random users. honestly where with oems you want them to release a patch, with xiaomi you wonder if you should risk installing it in case they found some new and improved way to break your phone.
funny thing is a lot of devices get a lot more fixed on their custom roms. countless devices that they reported nonono we cannot upgrade it to android 10, the hardware is not compatible. guess what the custom roms did it the next day.
at least for now they let users unlock their bootloaders (even if the process is broken af) and lately they provide kernel source codes, even if they always forget to keep them up to date.
it is what it is, ive learnt my lessons the hard way, only getting their phones after i see custom roms and treat them as hardware vendors.
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I have zero confidence in Chinese products especially in sophisticated electronics. The CCP is omnipresent in Chinese manufacturing and culture. Expect hardware, firmware and software backdoors and/or spyware.
Actions have consequences...

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I have zero confidence in Chinese products especially in sophisticated electronics. The CCP is omnipresent in Chinese manufacturing and culture. Expect hardware, firmware and software backdoors and/or spyware.
Actions have consequences...
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well... tough... almost everything's made over there.

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well... tough... almost everything's made over there.
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No, not true... and it's a lick on you. Samsung ie SK is a US ally.
One of the reasons I'll never buy a iPhone... they CCP sweatshops.

mmns said:
im asking that for my Deliberation - which phone to buy - ultra 21 or mi 11 pro
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I personally prefer the Mi 11 Ultra to s21 Ultra, but the S21 is better than the 11 Pro, although the 11 Pro is no slouch and considerably cheaper.

blackhawk said:
No, not true... and it's a lick on you. Samsung ie SK is a US ally.
One of the reasons I'll never buy a iPhone... they CCP sweatshops.
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Not entirely accurate my friend. https://techthelead.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made/
Here's from SamMobile https://www.sammobile.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made

jim262 said:
Not entirely accurate my friend. https://techthelead.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made/
Here's from SamMobile https://www.sammobile.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made
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Yeah I was thinking about that.
Hard to get around that for now. That may soon change. Being too dependent on global suppliers is a huge weakness.
The irony is this isn't a raw material but a manufacturing process that can be done anywhere.

mmns said:
so , maybe oneplus 9 pro will do better jobe in all aspects including updates?
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Don't count on that. You'll get one year of monthly security patches, one or two somewhat big updates and the next Android 12. Android 13 is questionable. I had the similar experience with my Oneplus 7T Pro - got only mothly security updates. It was supposed to get Adroid 12, but last i heard that it may never happen. And it got updated to Android 11 try to guess when - the day before the launch of Oneplus 9 end of march 2021 - three months after everyone else updated their flagships and half of midrangers to Android 11. Forget the promise about 3 years of software updates - 18 months is the top nowadays with Oneplus. And seeing how they are focused on their Nord devices that might be their last flagship. There's more money in midrangers.