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Some nexus device owner bought nexus device(s) because they want to get the first taste of the new android software update. This time, Google seemed to broke their promise by delaying the update for Nexus 5 and letting LG G3 owners get their hands on Lollipop before Nexus 5 owners do And there's a big chance that the new moto x owners will too.
Not to mention now that many OEMs are promising more and more faster software update (moto, sony, htc, and now LG), do you guys think it's still worth it to own a Nexus device? I know there's still the other factor such as vanilla android, but that's it.
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Some nexus device owner bought nexus device(s) because they want to get the first taste of the new android software update. This time, Google seemed to broke their promise by delaying the update for Nexus 5 and letting LG G3 owners get their hands on Lollipop. And there's a big chance that the new moto x owners will too.
Not to mention now that many OEMs are promising more and more faster software update (moto, sony, htc, and now LG), do you guys think it's still worth it to own a Nexus device? I know there's still the other factor such as vanilla android, but that's it.
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I bought my Nexus 5 because at $350 it was the best deal. Faster updates was secondary since I run a third party ROM on my phone. IMO it's great that LG, Moto, and HTC has=ve committed to faster updates and hopefully the other OEMs follow suit.
Also let's not forget the fact that we've had access to Lollipop since Google I/O 2014 (June) when they released the Developer Preview while the other guys didn't.
Sigh. Did you forget we got a dev preview(s)? Did you miss the memo about there being bugs and that that's why it's delayed? A nexus device will still always be pure android. So no, I don't care that other OEM's are pushing it out faster. If fact that's a good thing for Android. For years Google has been trying to do what you're complaining about. It's only a week or two. In fact I hope it still happens, just so I can be amused by threads such as this.
I'd imagine all future incremental releases come faster to the nexus line than oems ...so I'll just wait...plan on getting a nexus 6 anyways...and who knows how long that will take lol
I think its a good thing OEMs are pushing out Android L so quickly.... so many OEMs don't update there phones at all or if they do its 5-7 months after a new release of android. In my opinion this is great news for Android. I would rather Google sit on the Lollipop for N5 and get the bugs resolved first then release it. Even if it means a month. I mean we have had the Dev preview since June, after all this time is it going to kill anyone to wait a little longer? I think everyone needs to calm down. I am enjoying this build of Lollipop:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...-android-lpv-dev-n5-enhanced-t2856934/page796
And it has been running excellent. So big thank you to al the devs who are working hard on these Android L roms. And when Google get official L out there we will all benefit from it, but in good time when Google feels its in tip top shape for the masses.
We need a new sub forum for rants!!
It really is great that oems are able to push out updates so soon.
Really don't see a point of ppl making new threads for this..
vbz89 said:
We need a new sub forum for rants!!
It really is great that oems are able to push out updates so soon.
Really don't see a point of ppl making new threads for this..
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no kind sir, as a matter of fact this is not a rant. the purpose of my thread is to see whether people really see a downgrade value in owning a Nexus device, since one of the main perks of owning a Nexus device is to be the first device to get a new Android software. and since it is true that we did get the developer preview, it couldn't be said that it was usable as a daily driver.
If the choice of words that i used in this thread may cause a confusion that some people think this is a rant thread, then i beg your pardon since my English is not sufficient enough.
I bought a N5 because it was a great price and I like pure Android. Is it really that big a deal that some other phone got updated a few days before the N5 did? People get way too nuts over updates. The N5 will have it soon, I promise.
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First world problems.......
I didn't buy it to be first to get updates....I bought it as a great value smartphone first and foremost, it still regardless of updates you know
I didn't buy it for the updates. I'm not upset by others releasing a bugged aosp source. It is a good thing for the ecosystem that the OEMS are releasing updates so quickly. Would you rather have update after quick update due to bugs, or one pretty solid release. No other line of devices got the official previews. The latest preview has been stable for a daily driver!
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no kind sir, as a matter of fact this is not a rant. the purpose of my thread is to see whether people really see a downgrade value in owning a Nexus device, since one of the main perks of owning a Nexus device is to be the first device to get a new Android software. and since it is true that we did get the developer preview, it couldn't be said that it was usable as a daily driver.
If the choice of words that i used in this thread may cause a confusion that some people think this is a rant thread, then i beg your pardon since my English is not sufficient enough.
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You should also read more closely. The article you are getting your information clearly stated lg is trying it in Poland not the US out any other major market.
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If you want to know the reason why I bought a nexus 5? I will answer this in Nov 2015 when Android M comes out and again we wait for its release on our nexus 5s(in 4-5 weeks) while other OEM flagship phones of current age wait in doubt of the release(4-5 months). I bought the device for it's solid software support, not necessarily faster but a solid 2-3 year support official support and most probably a 5 year community support. But then again most people sell the devices 2-3 years down the line.
It's not about other devices getting OTAs faster it's about getting the better of them all. I know this had been mentioned a couple of times before but LG G3 and the Moto X got a test release, something which we received 3-4months back I believe. Google does not abandon it's nexus range device without a proper goodbye.
There are more important things in the world.
It's really rather whether any device has an update. The reason for the delay is known, who would like Lollipop may already have run long.
And then I buy a Nexus because I like Nexus and not to previously have an update maybe a few days. Envy is something really repulsive.
Don't compare 2013 device with 2014 device.
If you really want to compare, please compare LG G3 vs Nexus 6 for 2014, which one is faster to get Lollipop.
2013 devices are LG G2 vs Nexus 5. Which one is faster? :silly:
Are you kidding??!!!!You could install it from 6 month ago.
LG g3 didn't receive anything yet. Just because there was an announcement doesn't mean its released. Besides I hear the nexus 5 gets it on the 12th
I would not trade my nexus 5 for an LG g. Besides, I have been running android l for months. Sure, it's great that os like lg and Motorola are taking the available 5.0 software and porting it to their devices, this is great for everyone.... but that software they are using is no further forward than is currently available for nexus devices.... They aren't getting a finished version.
What's the point in buying a nexus? That's something only you can decide for yourself. Buy what ever takes your fancy at the time
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I bought my Nexus 5 because at $350 it was the best deal. Faster updates was secondary since I run a third party ROM on my phone. IMO it's great that LG, Moto, and HTC has=ve committed to faster updates and hopefully the other OEMs follow suit.
Also let's not forget the fact that we've had access to Lollipop since Google I/O 2014 (June) when they released the Developer Preview while the other guys didn't.
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For me faster updates were the most important thing than came the hardware specs..
The real question is when will the g2 get the updates g3 being the latest and greatest from LG is getting the update but the older devices will not get it for some time. However the nexus 4 and 5 are not the latest still they will get the update very soon. So if you plan on getting the latest flagship devices you don't need to worry about updates that much but if you plan on keeping your device for a few years nexus is still a great proposition.
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12 of November
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/572117/20141109/nexus-5-7-10-android-0-lollipop.htm#.VGB55PmG9E8
this is fast enought
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...premium-price-still-comes-with-compromises/1/
Check out the video on the 2nd page, "n our experience, the Nexus 6 was slower than the Nexus 5. Apps took longer to launch, tasks took longer to switch, and sometimes—particularly during heavy multitasking—our Nexus 6 liked to get stuck and pause for a few minutes while it thought about things. It would often "chug" during our normal usage and in general felt like a slow device.
Above is a video of the Nexus 6 (running Lollipop) versus its predecessor, the Nexus 5 (running KitKat). We're just simultaneously launching apps on each device. This is the simplest and best of tests, pitting all the hardware and software of the Nexus 5 against the Nexus 6. As you can see in the video, the Nexus 6 is continually a few beats behind the Nexus 5, and this is just a light workload of launching a few apps. Heavier workloads, like launching a 3D game, give the Nexus 5 a multi-second victory over the Nexus 6.
In our video, both devices have just been restarted, clearing anything that would be in RAM. The versions on all of the apps match."
I might consider go back to the Nexus 5 I sold...
Two things that are different by default in the N5 and N6. Lollipop devices are encrypted by default, and Lollipop only uses ART. Good chance some apps weren't optimized for it yet.
Interesting
I am looking for another reviewer who tested the speed of the flash but haven't found any. Maybe a bad device? Or the encryption. Can we confirm for sure the 5.0 devices are encrypted?
That is the only item in any of the reviews that made me pause.
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Two things that are different by default in the N5 and N6. Lollipop devices are encrypted by default, and Lollipop only uses ART. Good chance some apps weren't optimized for it yet.
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From memory, most of the apps shown were Google's main apps.
Nevertheless, I'm very confused/torn by those results.
Its a very pessimistic review
The review says that it's probably down to the slow read speed of the internal memory. In their read/write tests, the read speeds were slower than the Nexus 5 by about a third and much slower than the Note 4 and Moto X (which were around 3 times as fast). They said that games take as long to load as they do on a Nexus 4.
Anand Tech Review found something similar.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8687/the-nexus-6-review
To test NAND performance on the Nexus 6 we attempted to use Androbench and Andebench, but both gave results that could not have been accurate and so we are unfortunately unable to test this aspect of the Nexus 6 at this time.
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Boot time is also god awful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zE4GCLP7rk
Is it pessimistic or realistic, that is the real question.
So many devices come out with so many claims, then you grab it, get it, and inevitably find out that it's a hunk of junk. I'm on the fence right now of either swapping my G3 for one, or keeping the G3.
everyone of the reviews all say something different. Some say they love the phone and it is great some say the phone is bad. There is so much different information. Look at some of the reviews of the camera. Some of great pictures and some have bad pictures. I have no clue what to trust and what not to trust. I will be waiting until I can play with the phone and see then. Remember not all the apps are upgraded to work with 5.0 yet. So once apps start getting ART support they would be a lot better. Also we have no clue what version of Android the nexus 6 in this review has compared to the version of android that will be on the shipping Nexus 6. I for one will most likely still buy the Nexus 6 because I was the support of the devs on a nexus phone. Plus remember when CM comes to the next, all of these problems could be gone.
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Boot time is also god awful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zE4GCLP7rk
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I don't know if you are being serious or trolling.
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Is it pessimistic or realistic, that is the real question.
So many devices come out with so many claims, then you grab it, get it, and inevitably find out that it's a hunk of junk. I'm on the fence right now of either swapping my G3 for one, or keeping the G3.
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After owning the M8, G3, S5 and recently the 2014 Moto X, I can say the best phone through and through is the HTC M8...they just nailed it on every front...Cyanogen on the M8 will probably run a lot better than the Nexus 6 does stock (if AOSP is your thing)...I doubt the growing pains the Nexus 6 may be having will last long though...expect google to release quick patches (5.01, 5.02, 5.1, etc etc)....lastly, encryption does not slow mobile phones down like this.
Nothing cm and a custom kernel won't fix for this beast though.
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I don't know if you are being serious or trolling.
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Guess I'm not entirely sure where your confusion is coming from or what you find potentially trollish about that.
What is wrong with his video? Nexus 6 is obviously ALOT slower...This is very sad, I was expecting it to be faster than any phone.
I will have to wait till I try it in Store
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After owning the M8, G3, S5 and recently the 2014 Moto X, I can say the best phone through and through is the HTC M8...they just nailed it on every front...Cyanogen on the M8 will probably run a lot better than the Nexus 6 does stock (if AOSP is your thing)...I doubt the growing pains the Nexus 6 may be having will last long though...expect google to release quick patches (5.01, 5.02, 5.1, etc etc)....lastly, encryption does not slow mobile phones down like this.
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SO why so slow? Im truly concerned about this....
Omg I think nexus 6 is slower than my htc amaze!
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Guess I'm not entirely sure where your confusion is coming from or what you find potentially trollish about that.
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It's a boot time. Posting a video about how fast a phone starts is just nitpicking a phone that just came out. I really don't see how a boot time makes the phone less desirable imho.
It isn't that I think a slow boot is much of an issue itself. I brought it up because I think it adds another data point or degree of confirmation to the slow app loading demonstrated in the ars review.
I'm looking into getting the nexus 6 and was just trolling through the nex6 forums taking a look at developement..... And geeezzzz what happened to the names of ROMs like we had in the good ole days. I.e. OPEN KANG, CM-__, PACMAN, AOSP, NEXUQUE, PARANOID ANDROID, MIUI. You know the names we all were used to seeing. Now it seems like the names are all spoken in code or something. Check out the screen shot. Hard to tell what you're getting unless you go exploring each ROM post and check out the mods and screenshots.
You're right.
We GFlex users that haven't flashed any roms in a while when you get another phone you get scared from all these new roms with weird names. You gotta check every post to see if its based on stock/aosp/cm/pac or if its just a debloated rom. Info is just not as it used to be.
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You're right.
We GFlex users that haven't flashed any roms in a while when you get another phone you get scared from all these new roms with weird names. You gotta check every post to see if its based on stock/aosp/cm/pac or if its just a debloated rom. Info is just not as it used to be.
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Yep the days of bootstrap recoveries and safestrap are gone. I fear that fastboot will soon fall by the way side too, with all these devices comimg with download mode and flashing with lg tools and Odin. Im going back to Motorola to get a taste of the good ole fastboot flash system ".......". My nexus 7 (2013) is so simple with multi-rom that I rarely need to open up the cmd prompt and " adb " anything.
Wait!!!
Are we giving up on this incredible phone?
I can't speak for anyone else but I've been eligible for an upgrade for over a year now, and have been sticking around 1. Cuz I do like the phone / durability. And 2. To help out and hopefully see a CM or AOSP ROM working on this device. But I gotta see what all the hype is about with these new snapdragon 64 bit processors and 4 gigs or ram is all about. I'm really trying to be patient and wait on the new nexus 6.2 as I heard it called. Not sure if that's the official name. Its all still rumors I believe. But its supposedly the next version of nexus 6 but 64 bit. To keep up with Samsung and lg's release of 64 bit devices.
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I can't speak for anyone else but I've been eligible for an upgrade for over a year now, and have been sticking around 1. Cuz I do like the phone / durability. And 2. To help out and hopefully see a CM or AOSP ROM working on this device. But I gotta see what all the hype is about with these new snapdragon 64 bit processors and 4 gigs or ram is all about. I'm really trying to be patient and wait on the new nexus 6.2 as I heard it called. Not sure if that's the official name. Its all still rumors I believe. But its supposedly the next version of nexus 6 but 64 bit. To keep up with Samsung and lg's release of 64 bit devices.
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I heard there will be a revamp of the Nexus 5 device...
Supossedly LG and Huawei were in dispute to seek for who wins the making of the ¨second gen Nexus 5¨
This would be awesome, though I love my GFlex cuz of battery life and durability too, my G3 just died on me last week :crying: :crying: havent revived it so, Im back with the Flex, hope to see a CM or AOSP build sooner than later.
Good luck with the Motorolas, I´ve had nothing more than great experience with motorola smartphones, owned Atrix 1, 2 and HD, Droid XT912 and Droid HD, awesome phones all of them!
OK maybe its the nexus 5 revamp and not nexus 6. I could have been wrong. Either way , pure aosp on a nexus device sure would be nice. I rarely get to play around with my nexus 7 (2013) since its been integrated into my dash and used as my head unit now. It comes out once a month or so just to flash an update or new ROM to keep things running smooth.
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sorry for posting here but i think the members here are best qualified to answer this question. I have a nexus 6 running stock rom on verizon and want to get my wife something closest to it but she doesn't want a big phone. Anything 5 and under would do. What's the best phone that I can get her that that has plain google-type stock rom available for it? An older phone would do too but unfortunately nexus 5 doesn't work on verizon
Thanks
It's old, but:
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/verizon-galaxy-nexus
Otherwise, there's not much but perhaps a LG G2?
Your wife would be miserable with a Galaxy Nexus lol That battery life on Verizon's LTE will be destroyed in a few hours. If this were me and still wanted to do some tweaking on the phone's system, I'd go with a 2013 Moto X Developer Edition. It's not a Nexus, but it's stock Android with some Moto app enhancements.
Excellent suggestion! I completely forgot about the moto x.
You guys are phenomenal crazies - sorry ran out of adjectives but this forum is super and that recommendation is super-super!
1) How long do you see battery last with LTE turned on (basic email, maps & whatsapp)
2) Do you see stock rom development continue on this phone beyond Lollipop?
Thanks
Yes, we are only perhaps a few months from the official release of M so development will continue. Battery life is subjective and is mostly based on signal quality, apps used and screen brightness.
how about the samsung s3. Is that continuing to get new development like M?
Hello my fellow Nexus 5 owners, lovers, we gather here for one request: Android N official for Nexus 5. There are many rumors that Marshmallow will be the last official Android version for Nexus 5. Marshmallow has been out for a while but the major release of Android N comes to fast. Nexus 5 in my opinion is still, the best Nexus phone. I'm not calling for lifetime support, only this version. Google gave us nearly no time enjoying official support, and immediately they take it from us. With all the love of Android, I ask everyone, to encourage Google to make the last official Android version, for the Nexus 5.
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Hello my fellow Nexus 5 owners, lovers, we gather here for one request: Android N official for Nexus 5. There are many rumors that Marshmallow will be the last official Android version for Nexus 5. Marshmallow has been out for a while but the major release of Android N comes to fast. Nexus 5 in my opinion is still, the best Nexus phone. I'm not calling for lifetime support, only this version. Google gave us nearly no time enjoying official support, and immediately they take it from us. With all the love of Android, I ask everyone, to encourage Google to make the last official Android version, for the Nexus 5.
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Oh come on... Another one..
Stop with wasting your time, Google doesn't care about how much people would like to have an official Android N release for their Nexus 5. They have given us the promised support time for Android updates, they owe us nothing. We already had that guy who started a petition which is pointless because Google probably won't even see it. So quit this BS and just keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best. You won't be able to make sure that Google will give the Nexus 5 just one more update, they may will or maybe not.
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Hello my fellow Nexus 5 owners, lovers, we gather here for one request: Android N official for Nexus 5. There are many rumors that Marshmallow will be the last official Android version for Nexus 5. Marshmallow has been out for a while but the major release of Android N comes to fast. Nexus 5 in my opinion is still, the best Nexus phone. I'm not calling for lifetime support, only this version. Google gave us nearly no time enjoying official support, and immediately they take it from us. With all the love of Android, I ask everyone, to encourage Google to make the last official Android version, for the Nexus 5.
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Google gives every Nexus device 2 years of support on average. I wouldn't call that "nearly no time enjoying official support". They're unlikely to even consider a request to update a device that reached it's EOL for major updates almost a year ago. The unofficial development community for this device continues to thrive nevertheless, so you will most likely get an unofficial N build that's more than good enough for daily use.
This device had its time, but it EOL now. It'll still have unofficial updates for a foreseeable future, but if official updates matter more, then you'll need to move to a newer device. Personally, I don't really care too much about the support because if I did, I would have bought a N5X instead of the N5 a couple months back when I had the choice.
dont worry cm and aosp will not let us down , just keep the faith
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I'm going to wait and see what happens on the official updates front for Android N. Personally, I'd like to see it for the Nexus 5 but if it doesn't roll out for this phone right now, I'll probably be going to Cyanogenmod. That's what I'm running now because I cannot stand the Layers app. Prefer CM Themes to Layers.
Cindy
If Google provides Android N, they will feel obliged to support it with N bug fixes. This will force support for another six months as bugs are ironed out.
Why do you need to call Google? We have used our official support time which is 2-years. Also, do we need their official support? CM is with us.
Android N Preview 4 (NPD56N) for Nexus 5
See link - https://android.googlesource.com/device/lge/hammerhead-kernel/+/android-n-preview-4
and - https://android.googlesource.com/device/lge/hammerhead/+/android-n-preview-4
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Android N Preview 4 (NPD56N) for Nexus 5
See link - https://android.googlesource.com/device/lge/hammerhead-kernel/+/android-n-preview-4
and - https://android.googlesource.com/device/lge/hammerhead/+/android-n-preview-4
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whoa!! is this correct?
did i just look at the posted kernel and image for android N for nexus 5 - hammerhead?
if this is indeed correct, maybe the nexus 5 - hammerhead will get android N then.
This was available for 2 weeks. N5 receives all the N-preview branches. Now'll be released one of two beta's, we'll see if some of source'll be available for our phones
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This was available for 2 weeks. N5 receives all the N-preview branches. Now'll be released one of two beta's, we'll see if some of source'll be available for our phones
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Good news! :good:
Bad news. Developer prewiew 5 is out. N5 didn't receive it.
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N4 received final LP preview when Lollipop have nearly final stage? No. We need to wait one month more.
Ok, I definitely didn't post this. Someone might have used my Nexus 5 and post this. Even though it racks up quite a conversation for you guys, don't say I'm stupid whatsoever, cus it wasn't me! If you think it IS me, that's your business, and I don't care. I'm telling the truth.
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Ok, I definitely didn't post this. Someone might have used my Nexus 5 and post this. Even though it racks up quite a conversation for you guys, don't say I'm stupid whatsoever, cus it wasn't me! If you think it IS me, that's your business, and I don't care. I'm telling the truth.
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Nexus 5 and nexus 7 2013 are both dead I guarantee it. The nexus 4 and nexus 10 had enough power for marshmallow but they didn't get it. I expect the 2013 devices to get the ax this year. Gotta wonder though why everyone is so eager to hold on to the nexus 5? I mean I still have mine as an emergency backup phone but the battery life is gawd awful and camera is so mediocre compared to new phones. I'm rocking a 6p currently and it's world's ahead of the old 5!
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Nexus 5 and nexus 7 2013 are both dead I guarantee it. The nexus 4 and nexus 10 had enough power for marshmallow but they didn't get it. I expect the 2013 devices to get the ax this year. Gotta wonder though why everyone is so eager to hold on to the nexus 5? I mean I still have mine as an emergency backup phone but the battery life is gawd awful and camera is so mediocre compared to new phones. I'm rocking a 6p currently and it's world's ahead of the old 5!
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Sorry didn't mean to quote you
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Maybe because with the improvements to Doze and background processing, the Nexus 5's battery life would see significant improvements?
Cor-master said:
Nexus 5 and nexus 7 2013 are both dead I guarantee it. The nexus 4 and nexus 10 had enough power for marshmallow but they didn't get it. I expect the 2013 devices to get the ax this year. Gotta wonder though why everyone is so eager to hold on to the nexus 5? I mean I still have mine as an emergency backup phone but the battery life is gawd awful and camera is so mediocre compared to new phones. I'm rocking a 6p currently and it's world's ahead of the old 5!
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Sorry didn't mean to quote you
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Another one saying things they know nothing about. You can't guarantee anyone what you said. You know nothing for sure like everyone else.
Yes it will be very unlikely that the nexus get's one more update but it may will happen, there is a small chance.
Oh yeah it'll get it because you know the 2012 nexuses totally got marshmallow from Google last year /sarcasm.