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I'm wondering if there's something I can do/change to get more time with continual use out of a full battery.
After 4 hours of web browsing, my battery is down to 40%.
I'm on cm7 7.1 with 6/30 kernel
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I have the brightness turned down really low and I've used the battery callibration app, a few times.
No problems with deep sleep- just looking to get more time from continual use.
Any ideas?
Do you run an auto-task killer app? Because if so you're trading very short term memory savings for a boat load of processor time. Ever since Froyo, and especially Gingerbread, Google made significant changes to the idle-memory allocation management and active-process management logic. All task-killers accomplish in 2.2+ is wasting processor time because 90% of the time android will immediately(depending on the app's historic use and prioritization) restart said app thinking there was some sort of critical failure. (you can check for your self, get the app "System info pro", and preform a kill. For the next 10-15 minutes you'll watch nearly all of the killed processes return to life, and re-assume their use of active/idle ram.
Example: You have 20% ram available, not idle mind you, and the app you've chosen to run needs 35%. First android will prioritize and organize all of the idle apps(which reside in idle ram, kind of like a really big stepping stone between oblivion and active status), and start purging from the bottom-up. Continuing till there's enough free'd memory to launch. Android also has the option of clearing/shrinking assets as a last resort before playing the guessing game as to which active apps aren't important. I don't exactly know what conditions need to be met in order for an app to achieve active(more-protected) status, rather than idle, but it's fairly good at figuring it out, or android wouldn't be so godly at multi-tasking.
A little long-winded comment, but I don't prefer giving advice and backing it up with because I said so logic.
TL;DR For 2.2+ don't use Auto-task killers, they gorge on your precious mA/hr's. Use something like "System info pro" or any comparable app to singly kill, or a pre-setup batch kill, apps as you experience issues.
Other than that, my only advice for battery life would be to not have apps you don't regularly use installed. If they're not installed they can't second-hand or tertiary-hand waste power.
In all reality, most if not all further battery/CPU efficiency increases will come from the hard work put in by Dalingrin/verygreen/murdok to increase hardware optimization for our version of android/kernel. (I know there's more key players, just can't think of them off hand)
Woot- I'm not using a task killer app, but thanks anyway for the info!
It sounds like people.are getting better results that I am with heavier use (videos, gaming, etc.) , so I'm trying to figure out where I'm going wrong.
Are there any settings that I can change that might help?
I'm more familiar with iPhone battery saving settings- where themes and push email eat lots of battery.
Is that the same case with android?
How much do widgets impact battery life? I don't think I have alot- but maybe there are some that eat more battery than others?
I know your first post said while web browsing but when you aren't using data you can turn off wifi to save power. Like when playing a game or watching a video from emmc/sd.
woot1524 said:
Other than that, my only advice for battery life would be to not have apps you don't regularly use installed. If they're not installed they can't second-hand or tertiary-hand waste power
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Is there a way to find out which apps do this?
Hi. Im a noob i know. I checked the forums. But i did not find what i was looking for.
So. Its really annoying, everytime i clear my ram then in less than 15 seconds its full again. Which drains my battery and takes ages to charge. With this i get overheating. My battery heats ut self up to 60c° and the screen is nearly untouchable as it burns. I use a fan and it cools it down to 33c°. Any help?
Repcak3 said:
Hi. Im a noob i know. I checked the forums. But i did not find what i was looking for.
So. Its really annoying, everytime i clear my ram then in less than 15 seconds its full again. Which drains my battery and takes ages to charge. With this i get overheating. My battery heats ut self up to 60c° and the screen is nearly untouchable as it burns. I use a fan and it cools it down to 33c°. Any help?
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Use this or this & block unnecessary apps frm loading during boot time..which rom u r using & which kernel?
are you rooted? if not the do that first and install titanium and remove u wanted apps
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I have the latest rocketrom and hydracore kernel
May be do a full format and flash the rom again.
Full ram isn't always wasted. Its not like a windows pc.
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Full ram isn't always wasted. Its not like a windows pc.
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yes. But it drains my battery and makes my phone really hot. Ill maybe just have to go and look for software thatll stop my apps from restarting as soon as i clear RAM. Thanks for help though
Repcak3 said:
yes. But it drains my battery and makes my phone really hot. Ill maybe just have to go and look for software thatll stop my apps from restarting as soon as i clear RAM. Thanks for help though
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no, that's wrong. Clearing the RAM and forcing all the apps to load from scratch is heating the phone and wasting the battery!
The heat is generated by the CPU and the WiFi chip, NOT the RAM!
Android (and most Unix systems) use all available RAM to run more efficiently. It's not a power waste due to using the RAM in a very different way to Windows systems. I can't remember where I read it now, but an Android developer (either at Google or elsewhere) explains this better than me, but this is the general summary.
Short version: DO NOT USE RAM CLEANERS, Android is MEANT to use all available RAM, the CPU is heating the phone BECAUSE it has to load things from scratch rather than pull from RAM.
edit to add: even when something has outrun its usefullness (old program still in RAM, for example) then Android has a very good built-in cleanup system that unloads programs that have not been run for a while. This means that you don't even need to kill old programs that you no longer need!
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everytime i clear my ram then in less than 15 seconds its full again. Which drains my battery and takes ages to charge. With this i get overheating. My battery heats ut self up to 60c° and the screen is nearly untouchable as it burns. I use a fan and it cools it down to 33c°. Any help?
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Actually hte system uses the unused ram to cache other apps so they open faster when you need them..soeven though you clear the ram,it gets full after sometime.You need not worry about that because android can manage it well
And using some task killers could cause you battery drain and even leads to heat your phone
Try formating and reflash the rom
Let's go the crazy analogy route, 'cos they're always fun!
Say you're listening to music on some CDs. You have, say 5 CDs and on each CD there are a only couple of songs you want to listen to, so on a HiFi you'd have to keep switching CDs to get your play list. Let's say that they are also your favourite songs so you play them frequently. Let's call these top 5 songs "Messaging", "Gallery", "Camera", "Phone" and "Music".
So, you rip the CDs to MP3 and create a playlist. The songs are all strung together and they load and play significantly faster than switching discs repeatedly. This is what Android does with programs in RAM. To change between "Messaging" and "Phone" you just double click the file.
Now, you use a task killer to clean your RAM: What you have just done is delete all the MP3s from your computer, put the CDs back in their cases and put the cases back on the shelf. When you next go to play one of your frequently played songs you now have to go to the shelf, find the CD, put the CD in the drive, wait for it to load, then play the song.
Clearly the former is more efficient. The MP3s are not wasting power by being there, they're cached and pre-loaded so they load much more efficiently next time. Clearing everything away and reloading from scratch is much more processor intensive and that is what is generating that heat.
Thanks guys. Its not heating anymore. Thanks for all the help. You guys all get a thanks button clicked
You learn something new everyday. I actually didn't know about the specific way Android deals with ram. I've always cleared ram in the device settings in Airdroid (wifi file transfer app). Never get any battery drain/heatup issues though, but good to know about this, and will now refrain from being OC with clearing ram
My Moto X randomly started lagging heavily. It's unbearable.
It's not just a little bit here and there, the entire system is EXTREMELY LAGGY. It takes 30 seconds for the device to register a touch or perform an action.
I have root + stock ROM + gravitybox + very minimal third-party apps.
What the hell is going on?
Download an app that keeps track of CPU and RAM usage for each app. One of your apps may be keeping one or both of those at close to 100% usage and slowing it way down.
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My Moto X randomly started lagging heavily. It's unbearable.
It's not just a little bit here and there, the entire system is EXTREMELY LAGGY. It takes 30 seconds for the device to register a touch or perform an action.
I have root + stock ROM + gravitybox + very minimal third-party apps.
What the hell is going on?
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Many things could cause it. Backgrounded app crashing over and over (loop), malware (very unlikely), weird software conflicts, perhaps you froze an app that the system is trying to wake non stop, etc. Might be faster just to backup, RSDlite and restore. Titanium Backup and Ultimate Backup make it very easy with batch backups/restore. 2 key inputs backs up all your apps and 2 restores them lol. It's ridiculously easy
Also make sure you're not running battery saving mode, I imagine that caps your max clock speed to a lower value although it shouldn't cause THAT big of a performance hit.
Apps like BetterBattery stats or GSAM can also show you what's hammering your battery in the background and occupying your CPU cycles. I would take a quick peak at those tools first before I decide how to approach the situation.
What's happening is some app or software conflict is polling (sending commands to) your CPU non stop so when you interact with your phone each key press/swipe/action is put into what is now a long queue for the CPU to process it. Kind of like a lineup at a coffee shop in the morning, you wanna get in and out fast but they gotta serve the people in front of you first.
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Many things could cause it. Backgrounded app crashing over and over (loop), malware (very unlikely), weird software conflicts, perhaps you froze an app that the system is trying to wake non stop, etc. Might be faster just to backup, RSDlite and restore. Titanium Backup and Ultimate Backup make it very easy with batch backups/restore. 2 key inputs backs up all your apps and 2 restores them lol. It's ridiculously easy
Also make sure you're not running battery saving mode, I imagine that caps your max clock speed to a lower value although it shouldn't cause THAT big of a performance hit.
Apps like BetterBattery stats or GSAM can also show you what's hammering your battery in the background and occupying your CPU cycles. I would take a quick peak at those tools first before I decide how to approach the situation.
What's happening is some app or software conflict is polling (sending commands to) your CPU non stop so when you interact with your phone each key press/swipe/action is put into what is now a long queue for the CPU to process it. Kind of like a lineup at a coffee shop in the morning, you wanna get in and out fast but they gotta serve the people in front of you first.
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I've frozen a bunch of apps and it's been fine for months.
I also turned on CPU updates from developer options to see if anything is bogging it down. I don't see anything in battery stats either.
I wiped cache and dalvik cache and now it's fine. I've never had something like cache build-up cause this much of a problem before. Weird.
this must be some kind of joke
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I'm not an expert, but I'm under the impression that "unused RAM is wasted RAM" and therefore high RAM usage does not imply that there is a problem (in fact it implies there isn't)
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I'm not an expert, but I'm under the impression that "unused RAM is wasted RAM" and therefore high RAM usage does not imply that there is a problem (in fact it implies there isn't)
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You are correct but the ram management is atrocious on the s6. Can't even go back and forth and between apps right away. Frustrating as bell with lots of apps I use. Wish I returned my s6 and stuck with note4 awhile longer.
incuvolta said:
I'm not an expert, but I'm under the impression that "unused RAM is wasted RAM" and therefore high RAM usage does not imply that there is a problem (in fact it implies there isn't)
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While in theory this seems right... but RAM should not be used, especially at such a high amount with nothing running; for battery and smoothness sake. RAM of this caliber should be idle and quickly used when things are launched. Furthermore apps in RAM shouldnt have to be relaunched and slowed down by RAM, the whole RAM situation is ****ed.
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You are correct but the ram management is atrocious on the s6. Can't even go back and forth and between apps right away. Frustrating as bell with lots of apps I use. Wish I returned my s6 and stuck with note4 awhile longer.
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This totally makes sense.. my point wasn't that RAM management isn't poor but rather that RAM used/available isn't the right metric to be looking at.
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RAM should not be used, especially at such a high amount with nothing running; for battery and smoothness sake.
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Really? No seriously REALLY? Would you rather that crap gets cached on the storage? Ram should not be used is probably my all time favorite quote now. Ram management is poor yes but it using around 85% ram is a good thing, any modern day operating system should do this, especially android for reasons that should be pretty clear.
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Really? No seriously REALLY? Would you rather that crap gets cached on the storage? Ram should not be used is probably my all time favorite quote now. Ram management is poor yes but it using around 85% ram is a good thing, any modern day operating system should do this, especially android for reasons that should be pretty clear.
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Makes sense... Let me open AutoCAD on my computer which chews 16GB of RAM, close it out, and then have 99% RAM usage because of caching; on my modern day operating system. /s
While I understand RAM Management as a big issue, Im saying RAM should not be at 85% with NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, running. Android shouldn't be any different, not EVERYTHING gets kept in volatile space until you reboot or just so happen to go back to that one thing that could sit there cached for days.
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Makes sense... Let me open AutoCAD on my computer which chews 16GB of RAM, close it out, and then have 99% RAM usage because of caching; on my modern day operating system. /s
While I understand RAM Management as a big issue, Im saying RAM should not be at 85% with NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, running. Android shouldn't be any different, not EVERYTHING gets kept in volatile space until you reboot or just so happen to go back to that one thing that could sit there cached for days.
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If you are using a app that uses 16gb of ram chances are you have 32GB of ram, so windows would use what 10% of the ram with nothing running? Get where I'm going with this? When I say 85% is good I mean if you have 3 or 4gb of ram. Ram management is the only culprit here. My g3 used the same amount of ram and worked just fine. I should have been clearer sorry.
It using most of the RAM isn't a bad thing. It just has to manage what is being used, better. After running 5.1.1. In my use I have noticed that it's more agressive. Apps are constantly reloading when sometimes I switch to one app and then go back to the one I was previously using. On top of that when I go back to my home screen the icons and weather clock widget have to reload as well. I've got hope that this issue is resolved either officially via Samsung or the great people on this forum.
FatalIll said:
Makes sense... Let me open AutoCAD on my computer which chews 16GB of RAM, close it out, and then have 99% RAM usage because of caching; on my modern day operating system. /s
While I understand RAM Management as a big issue, Im saying RAM should not be at 85% with NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, running. Android shouldn't be any different, not EVERYTHING gets kept in volatile space until you reboot or just so happen to go back to that one thing that could sit there cached for days.
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I think the thing most people miss is that there is NEVER nothing open. I can reboot my phone right now, and within 10 seconds of booting there is over 30 apps in memory, usually 40 or more. Touchwiz is awful, there is so much crap that runs and since something depends on it you cant disable or remove it. And, lets face it. There is something wrong with the S6 in particular. Im not saying its hardware, but something isn't right. Maybe it's because its arm64, maybe it's the new octo processor. Only Samsung really knows.
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If you are using a app that uses 16gb of ram chances are you have 32GB of ram, so windows would use what 10% of the ram with nothing running? Get where I'm going with this? When I say 85% is good I mean if you have 3 or 4gb of ram. Ram management is the only culprit here. My g3 used the same amount of ram and worked just fine. I should have been clearer sorry.
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Youre right, the way Android handles memory is a bit different than a PC. 85% being used is typical across most devices with 3gb of ram. The problem is that even with 2-300mb free (literally free, not counting cached) the S6 takes a huge hit in performance. Which is why Samsung set memory management so aggressive. I think it can be fixed, but I don't expect Samsung to do it.
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It using most of the RAM isn't a bad thing. It just has to manage what is being used, better. After running 5.1.1. In my use I have noticed that it's more agressive. Apps are constantly reloading when sometimes I switch to one app and then go back to the one I was previously using. On top of that when I go back to my home screen the icons and weather clock widget have to reload as well. I've got hope that this issue is resolved either officially via Samsung or the great people on this forum.
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Don't get me started on 5.1.1. Wait til other variants start getting it and more people see how much more aggressive Samsung set memory management. It's a nightmare. I've spent 3 days, probably 20+ hours trying different dha settings and nothing works except very very aggressive values. It's ****.
Unused ram is bad when I use apps they get the ram they need. I have apps OPEN, plenty are open right now and I have half used by the system the other 1.5 gigs half is used by my current apps the other half of that is empty. Nothing is wrong a bunch of you need to understand that unused resources is bad, the system lets go of cached processes when an active processes needs ram again nothing is wrong. This is the same line of thinking people use with task killers just to see a higher amount of empty ram and slowing down their system thinking its faster because they see a higher % of free ram.
This is the best phone I have ever had and I always own the next big flagship every 3-6 months everyone is saying there is a performance issues. Where? Please show me because I dont see it dual screen multitasking is smooth as butter I never close a single app. Right now I have netflix, need for speed, unblock me, google maps, email, camera, web browser, my-tmobile, a live wallpaper, s health, youtube in my active app list and my hotspot is currently on. What are you all going on about??? I came from an iphone 6 with one gig of ram and I saw ram issues daily I had to be conscious of leaving apps running,not with this phone.
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Unused ram is bad when I use apps they get the ram they need. I have apps OPEN, plenty are open right now and I have half used by the system the other 1.5 gigs half is used by my current apps the other half of that is empty. Nothing is wrong a bunch of you need to understand that unused resources is bad, the system lets go of cached processes when an active processes needs ram again nothing is wrong. This is the same line of thinking people use with task killers just to see a higher amount of empty ram and slowing down their system thinking its faster because they see a higher % of free ram.
This is the best phone I have ever had and I always own the next big flagship every 3-6 months everyone is saying there is a performance issues. Where? Please show me because I dont see it dual screen multitasking is smooth as butter I never close a single app. Right now I have netflix, need for speed, unblock me, google maps, email, camera, web browser, my-tmobile, a live wallpaper, s health, youtube in my active app list and my hotspot is currently on. What are you all going on about???
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LOL. And every one of those apps reloads when you switch to it.
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LOL. And every one of those apps reloads when you switch to it.
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I only noticed one that really does that the play store, I really have not lost my place in many apps. I think its up to app programers to fix that though because only certain apps have that issue. My games stay where they were the internet app just refreshes my last page, youtube is still on the video I have not finished since this morning, netflix is still where I left it.
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I only noticed one that really does that the play store, I really have not lost my place in many apps. I think its up to app programers to fix that though because only certain apps have that issue.
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Unfortunately oom adj values are assigned to apps by services.jar. doesn't matter what app developers do, Samsung places priority on their own stuff. If you haven't tweaked any memory stuff and you're honestly able to switch between all that stuff you have a special device. We haven't all been freaking out about the crappy memory management for nothing, I assure you.
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Unfortunately oom adj values are assigned to apps by services.jar. doesn't matter what app developers do, Samsung places priority on their own stuff. If you haven't tweaked any memory stuff and you're honestly able to switch between all that stuff you have a special device. We haven't all been freaking out about the crappy memory management for nothing, I assure you.
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I hear you, I wish I had time to make a video to show you guys. I just have a lot of the stock apps disabled on the latest OTA update. Maybe it is happening frequntly with apps I dont use. 5.1.1 fixed all my problems with this phone which was mostly battery related the idle battery life is actually normal now. I think I can legit get two days out of one charge now with light use, I am at 74% since this morning I am going to sleep and leaving it off the charger tonight so I will see soon. I just know that plague inc and the play store is the only ones that loses its place for me.
I did flash 5.1.1 over a rom and it kept the hotspot hack from that rom so maybe it kept the roms memory tweaks as well. If thats the case I am not touching this phone anymore and keeping it as is.
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I hear you, I wish I had time to make a video to show you guys. I just have a lot of the stock apps disabled on the latest OTA update. Maybe it is happening frequntly with apps I dont use. 5.1.1 fixed all my problems with this phone which was mostly battery related the idle battery life is actually normal now. I think I can legit get two days out of one charge now with light use, I am at 74% since this morning I am going to sleep and leaving it off the charger tonight so I will see soon. I just know that plague inc and the play store is the only ones that loses its place for me.
I did flash 5.1.1 over a rom and it kept the hotspot hack from that rom so maybe it kept the roms memory tweaks as well. If thats the case I am not touching this phone anymore and keeping it as is.
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There's no way anything from the ROM is left. Especially if you updated via Odin. If the hot spot hack is still working it could be because you didn't wipe data, only possible explanation. As far as batter life goes, I've always consistently lost less than .25% an hour, pre and post update. I sleep 8ish hours a night and never lose more than 2%. Which is astonishing considering the size of the battery in this phone, and the CPU.
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There's no way anything from the ROM is left. Especially if you updated via Odin. If the hot spot hack is still working it could be because you didn't wipe data, only possible explanation. As far as batter life goes, I've always consistently lost less than .25% an hour, pre and post update. I sleep 8ish hours a night and never lose more than 2%. Which is astonishing considering the size of the battery in this phone, and the CPU.
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My phone left alone burn up battery before the last update. I used odin and yes it left my apps and settings, ringtones, themes ect and i dont know why and the hotspot hack is very much working at 23 gigs last check. I restored 5.0.1 on odin said it failed but booted and root was missing then updated anyways. I wished my battery was that good before the update now I got 2 days 7 hours off charger with 3 hours 40 minutes screen on with 13% left on my last charge.
I bought my first Samsung phone in over 10 years, the Samsung S20 FE 4G with the Snapdragon chipset.
To my surprise the device is heating up very quickly while in use:
With light use, like messaging apps the CPU stays around 37 to 49°C,
While gaming it stays around 47 to 50°C+ (I believe the 60°C was the biggest temperature spike).
I've heard people saying that transferring data from your older phone via Smart Switch may cause this heating issue, but I don't think that should be a issue.
Lastly, I have no clue on how weather affects the phone's temperature.
Despite being winter, we're having temperatures around 40°C where I live, but even when the night comes and the temperature drops to around 20°C (right now it's 26°C and the CPU temperature is around 40°C, while I'm listening to music via Bluetooth and (re)writing this post) my phone still heats up (just not as much as in the rest of the day).
I think it's worth mentioning that the CPU temperature is also changing quickly, I don't know if that's normal or not but for instance, when I switch from one app to another, if the app I'm using to measure the device temperature (CPU Monitor) is to be believed, the temperature jumps some 2 to 5°C. It usually comes back down again, but I really don't know if that's normal.
I went to the Samsung store today, they checked, did some tests, and said that the temperature was at normal range, but they said that the temperature while switching between apps was a little strange.
They also said that their system detected a temperature spike caused by Fine Lock on the day that I bought the phone, which I find weird since it's only a launcher to the Good Lock apps, but nevertheless they advised me to uninstall it and keep monitoring the temperature for a few more days, and that if the device gets too hot (over 60°C), that I should go back again and ask for a replacement.
Anyway, should I give some time, should I worry about it, should I take it back to the store?
I have the same model as you and I haven't experienced any of the symptoms you are talking about. If I were you I'd return it and get another one. At least then you can be sure if it is normal or a defective device.
SmartSwitch isn't that smart especially between different OS's/devices.
I think you better start from the beginning...
Backup your contacts etc to the PC using cut/copy plus at least one other hdd.
Factory reset. Reload from scratch. Run factory loaded versions; do not update any at first.
Avoid enabling any power management at least at first.
See what you got and go from there.
It's likely not hardware at all but a bad configuration. Common with Samsungs and correctable.
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I have the same model as you and I haven't experienced any of the symptoms you are talking about. If I were you I'd return it and get another one. At least then you can be sure if it is normal or a defective device.
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Thank you. I'm thinking about doing it. I've talked to some S20 FE owners who live in my country (which is a very hot country) and they said that the device temperatures are basically the same as theirs, but at the same time I'm still worried about it's long term effects since I plan to keep this phone for at least two years.
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SmartSwitch isn't that smart especially between different OS's/devices.
I think you better start from the beginning...
Backup your contacts etc to the PC using cut/copy plus at least one other hdd.
Factory reset. Reload from scratch. Run factory loaded versions; do not update any at first.
Avoid enabling any power management at least at first.
See what you got and go from there.
It's likely not hardware at all but a bad configuration. Common with Samsungs and correctable.
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Thank you, I did what you told me (except for flashing the factory stock ROM since I couldn't find it), I've only restored the apps using the Google backup, but didn't restore my settings. I've also did a mild debloat of the phone (removed Bixby and the Facebook apps) and while using the phone to browse through social media doesn't heat the phone as much as it used to, it still heats up more or less the same during gaming, so I'm guessing that might be normal.
Depending on how CPU cycle intensive the game is, it could normally use a fair amount of power.
Running background apps can make it noticeable worse though.
Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see if that helps.
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Depending on how CPU cycle intensive the game is, it could normally use a fair amount of power.
Running background apps can make it noticeable worse though.
Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see if that helps.
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It's Honking Impact 3rd, it's not intensive like PUBG or something like that, but can be intensive depending on the game mode. It runs at 53°C max. I found out that one of the apps that I was using to measure the temperature apparently only shows the temperature of the hottest CPU core, that's why the temperature sometimes shoot up to 60°C whenever I took a screenshot for example, and then came back down to around 50°C.
But I'll try disabling Play Services and playing again.
Do you know if those temperatures are safe btw? Around 50°C while I'm gaming.
The battery's temperature doesn't go past 40°C, in fact I don't even think I've ever seen it getting to 40°C.
Anyway, thank you very much.
You're welcome. The Farenheit is scaled better for real world use.
140F is well within tolerance for the CPU/mobo as long as the battery doesn't get hotter than that. I don't let my battery go beyond 103F.
The CPU/mobo can handle up to probably 165F but it's best never to push it that hot as auto thermal shutdown doesn't always work in time to save the components that are running hot and have a sudden additional power usage spike.
Really the phone shouldn't feel hot... it's killing the battery too. Track them down.
If it feels warm when using the browser, something(s) are running in the background driving it up.
Any cloud apps, including Google backup Transport, Framework and Google Firebase.
Ditch any trashware apps like WhatsApp, Twitter, Instagram etc.
I'm using my 10+ in a case at a 75F ambient air temp browsing with a CPU temp of 89F right now. It is stock but heavily optimized.
blackhawk said:
You're welcome. The Farenheit is scaled better for real world use.
140F is well within tolerance for the CPU/mobo as long as the battery doesn't get hotter than that. I don't let my battery go beyond 103F.
The CPU/mobo can handle up to probably 165F but it's best never to push it that hot as auto thermal shutdown doesn't always work in time to save the components that are running hot and have a sudden additional power usage spike.
Really the phone shouldn't feel hot... it's killing the battery too. Track them down.
If it feels warm when using the browser, something(s) are running in the background driving it up.
Any cloud apps, including Google backup Transport, Framework and Google Firebase.
Ditch any trashware apps like WhatsApp, Twitter, Instagram etc.
I'm using my 10+ in a case at a 75F ambient air temp browsing with a CPU temp of 89F right now. It is stock but heavily optimized.
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The phone doesn't feel hot, unless I'm playing a game, depending on the game it gets somewhat hot.
It's been colder in my city these past two days, but tomorrow we'll have a temperature that's closer to normal. If the phone manages to stay in an acceptable temperature range I'll keep it, if not, I'll return it to the store and see what I can get done.
My old phone didn't have a plastic back, so feeling the phone warm is a new thing for me.
Most Google apps are disabled, I only use WhatsApp to talk to my family, I have Instagram installed but I don't even remember when it was the last time I've used it (I put it on deep sleep also).
Thank you very much once again.
Using power management can cause erratic behavior and sometimes increased power usage especially if set globally.
Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is running.
blackhawk said:
Using power management can cause erratic behavior and sometimes increased power usage especially if set globally.
Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is running.
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With Power Management you mean the Background Usage Limits from the Device Care app?
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With Power Management you mean the Background Usage Limits from the Device Care app?
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Yeap. I have a 10+ running on Pie.
Your may get different results but it's a known source of instability and trouble.
This is how mine is configured.
blackhawk said:
Yeap. I have a 10+ running on Pie.
Your may get different results but it's a known source of instability and trouble.
This is how mine is configured.
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I'll try it. Thank you once again.
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Yeap. I have a 10+ running on Pie.
Your may get different results but it's a known source of instability and trouble.
This is how mine is configured.
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I did it but now all my apps under Standby Apps are set as "Active" and I can't change it. Won't this consume more battery?
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I'll try it. Thank you once again.
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Once you do that you need to track down the trouble makers and deal with each on a case by case basis. Sometimes simply cleaning the system memory in Device Care can work wonders. Keep open apps to a minimum.
Here's the old version of Device Care. It uses 360° which cleans very well but is CCP junk.
To safely use it use Karma Firewall* to block its internet access. It will still run normally.
Before uninstalling your current version use Apk Export** to make a installable copy, just in case.
*freeware, uses almost no battery
**freeware that is very useful to backup all your apps and updates for future use... ditch Playstore for reloads
blackhawk said:
Once you do that you need to track down the trouble makers and deal with each on a case by case basis. Sometimes simply cleaning the system memory in Device Care can work wonders. Keep open apps to a minimum.
Here's the old version of Device Care. It uses 360° which cleans very well but is CCP junk.
To safely use it use Karma Firewall* to block its internet access. It will still run normally.
Before uninstalling your current version use Apk Export** to make a installable copy, just in case.
*freeware, uses almost no battery
**freeware that is very useful to backup all your apps and updates for future use... ditch Playstore for reloads
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Thanks. But I can't uninstall the current Device Care app. Is it safe to do it via adb?
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I did it but now all my apps under Standby Apps are set as "Active" and I can't change it. Won't this consume more battery?
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This is normal. Just because their bucket state is marked as active doesn't mean they are running. It simple means Android is no longer managing them by assigning a bucket state to them and so on. Google it... it sounds like a great idea but it never worked well for me in practice. Android still manages the apps with it off less the added resource burden of this system.
furquim97 said:
Thanks. But I can't uninstall the current Device Care app. Is it safe to do it via adb?
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Sorry. You are correct.
I got rid of the updated version by doing a factory reset. You can try loading the older version by first force stopping the loaded version. It may worked... try this first.
I guess a adb edit would allow you to disable the current one. If the older one will load is another question.
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This is normal. Just because their bucket state is marked as active doesn't mean they are running. It simple means Android is no longer managing them by assigning a bucket state to them and so on. Google it... it sounds like a great idea but it never worked well for me in practice. Android still manages the apps with it off less the added resource burden of this system.
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Oh, I get it. Thanks.
blackhawk said:
Sorry. You are correct.
I got rid of the updated version by doing a factory reset. You can try loading the older version by first force stopping the loaded version. It may worked... try this first.
I guess a adb edit would allow you to disable the current one. If the older one will load is another question.
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I'll see what I can do.
I'll also test the phone again tomorrow when the weather in my city will return to normal. If everything goes well I'll keep the phone, if not I'll have to take it to the store and see what they offer me, a replacement, another device, I really don't know how it works in this particular store that I bought.
Anyway, thank you very much, you've been very helpful!
My 10+ was a battery guzzling hot running hog before I optimized it. It took some time and effort
Today you never guess it is that same phone.
If there's any doubts get a refund. It could be hardware, even a heat sink or pipe issue.
That said this is a commonly seen problem that has nothing to do with hardware in Samsungs.
Do some Google searches for that device and hot running issues. See what you find.
blackhawk said:
My 10+ was a battery guzzling hot running hog before I optimized it. It took some time and effort
Today you never guess it is that same phone.
If there's any doubts get a refund. It could be hardware, even a heat sink or pipe issue.
That said this is a commonly seen problem that has nothing to do with hardware in Samsungs.
Do some Google searches for that device and hot running issues. See what you find.
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I can relate. I had a Xiaomi before this one, and the stock ROM was plagued with app killing and battery drain. I'm glad you managed to work it out, all I had to do was switch to a custom ROM.
I've tested the same game again today since the temperature has gone back to normal where I live, and while the CPU temperatures are in acceptable range, the battery temperature got to 40°C/104°F.
I did some research regarding overheating on this phone and it's always the same thing, some have it like I do, while others say the phone doesn't even warm up the palm of their hands. So I don't know if its a configuration issue or if there are a lot of defective devices out there.