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Why is samsung so SLOW with Android 6.0 update?

Mainly a rant thread, but seriously LG G4 already getting AD6.0 and now i've read HTC M9 getting 6.0 and A9 getting 6.0.1.
Sammy sold the highest android phones number, and yet they so slow in providing updates, they start testing beta in next month only.

Derpling said:
Mainly a rant thread, but seriously LG G4 already getting AD6.0 and now i've read HTC M9 getting 6.0 and A9 getting 6.0.1.
Sammy sold the highest android phones number, and yet they so slow in providing updates, they start testing beta in next month only.
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Because Samsung has touchwiz and has to make it perfectly compatible. Takes a while.

That's not an excuse, HTC M9 getting 6.0 tommorow and A9 getting 6.0.1, G4 already getting 6 and G3 started to get it today... Samsung is soo late only now they releasing beta 6.0 to certain GS6 devices.

Yes, it IS an excuse. It is just one that you don't like.
Samsung is updating at the speed they want. I would fully bet that they were intentionally waiting for 6.0.1, as 6.0.0 likely had some issues they wanted to see fixed.
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I hope it's true and they learnt from their mistakes, i remember a lot of GS5 users complained about lollipop more than usually, same with 4.3 that was one of the worst updates sammy ever made.

For me, I would rather get a solid update than the fastest update.

dtaylorr said:
For me, I would rather get a solid update than the fastest update.
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That's i hope, the reason for beta testing and delays.

Samsung policies are stupid..They wont release Marshmallow until S7 is out.. ultimately this would be one of the selling point for S7.
I am 100% sure they wont release MM until March16

You are 100% guessing, not 100% sure... Lol
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manishvy said:
Samsung policies are stupid..They wont release Marshmallow until S7 is out.. ultimately this would be one of the selling point for S7.
I am 100% sure they wont release MM until March16
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If that would happen, that could backfire so fast specially since 6.0 was released to all other devices. heck G3 and GS5 released same year, yet G3 already getting android 6.0, idk if galaxy s5 will get it, and if it will probably Q2 2016... Samsung support is lacking and need to be changed, but since they beta testing android 6.0 now, i hope they won't use it as an excuse to "delay" it to until GS7 launches.

It's been well known fact Samsung always behind to provide latest update then why one should buy Samsung devices?
Google test everything for their devices before os release so they don't have to wait that's very clear and not difficult to understand their devices always will remain first to get os update. Comparison with LG or HTC have no sense as well as as far as no one have hardware differences as compare to Samsung. Do they have to think about spen? Samsung theme? S health? NO
These are the features needs to modify almost everything to provide support with new os and can only be understand if you have developed something.

They can split the updates to two parts, the main Android 6.0 base update without updating the minor stuff like s health, themes, and just make S Pen compatible, then after short while release a package of updates android 6.0 updates, idk if it possible, but sure as hell Samsung could be faster, again if they put 6.0.1 with as little to no bugs, then i prefer it over rushed release.

why don't Samsung let it customer beta test the new marshmallow update? iphone lets its customer beta test before full release...

umbrokhan said:
why don't Samsung let it customer beta test the new marshmallow update? iphone lets its customer beta test before full release...
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They are for the s6 and edge+(UK and south korea). We'll see it in due time.

They must extend it to Note 5 at least.

Derpling said:
They must extend it to Note 5 at least.
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maybe we might get it after few weeks.

umbrokhan said:
maybe we might get it after few weeks.
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It's not going to happen

dr.ketan said:
It's been well known fact Samsung always behind to provide latest update then why one should buy Samsung devices?
Google test everything for their devices before os release so they don't have to wait that's very clear and not difficult to understand their devices always will remain first to get os update. Comparison with LG or HTC have no sense as well as as far as no one have hardware differences as compare to Samsung. Do they have to think about spen? Samsung theme? S health? NO
These are the features needs to modify almost everything to provide support with new os and can only be understand if you have developed something.
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I think this time a little bit different. They seem want to improve their Rom quality, do it more carefully. Years ago I realize that Sam S series always be first to update because they are flagship and almost no special features like Note series. Absolutely I agree with you about Sam Roms are very different to HTC, LG.
But as Note 4 users, I was very angry about their update: no theme, no new features, no change on S Pen function, quite bad battery life.
Anyway, Samsung as most profitable Android OEM, have to change some points, do something better about update and Rom. We pay more, they do more better!

If you want fast updates get a nexus and keep it moving...
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Lancerz said:
If you want fast updates get a nexus and keep it moving...
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I want 5.5-5.7" phone. Nexus 6 and 6P fit need but their battery life not so good. Note 5 just enough for me fullday usage only after extreme optimized/tweaked.

Nougat

Why are we not getting any beta updates?

Beta for 3T will come after final release for 3.

Simply because there are more oneplus 3's in customers hands than 3T.....But I think they could unify now with beta 10, the timeframe is off for Nougat before end of month, with Beta 10 just dropped.
But patience is a great thing.....I'm not to fussed as I like Xposed for a few things (not currently available on Nougat) So they can take as long as they need.....
Brought to you by my Resurrected Powered 3T

Michalko5896 said:
Beta for 3T will come after final release for 3.
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Lol, when they said all updates will be together for both devices I thought it was a consolation for 3 owners. Turns out we are the ones getting screwed!

sriharshasv said:
Why are we not getting any beta updates?
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Not sure why people is so hyped for new updates and stuff.from what i've seen on internet,there are not too many changes on android 7 than we have now on 6, except the dpi which for me seems to be a nice thing to have,but not that important. you guys need to learn how to enjoy your beautiful phone,without being hyped for the updates. If they release early, it will be full of bugs and then you will curse them.better wait 1-2 or 3 months more and fix all those issues,instead of receiving a faulty update which will ruin my beautiful 3t experience.

smilirulz said:
Not sure why people is so hyped for new updates and stuff.from what i've seen on internet,there are not too many changes on android 7 than we have now on 6, except the dpi which for me seems to be a nice thing to have,but not that important. you guys need to learn how to enjoy your beautiful phone,without being hyped for the updates. If they release early, it will be full of bugs and then you will curse them.better wait 1-2 or 3 months more and fix all those issues,instead of receiving a faulty update which will ruin my beautiful 3t experience.
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Oh come on!!
They themselves ask us to never settle.
I basically want a very stable nougat. I really like this new OS. Besides, Google assistant is also good to have.

sriharshasv said:
Lol, when they said all updates will be together for both devices I thought it was a consolation for 3 owners. Turns out we are the ones getting screwed!
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Yes, but they also said, that beta for 3T will start after stable release for 3.

Software Support for OP3/3T: Questions & Answers.

Recently, we noticed lots of OP3/3T users asking questions related to future software support for their devices. To better keep everyone in the loop, we invited @oliver Z. , our Head of Product to answer some of the most commonly asked questions from the community.
David: Hi Oliver. First, could you please explain why many more updates were released for the OP5 than the OP3/3T in recent times?
Oliver: Sure, we have been gathering plenty of user feedback on the OP5 following the launch in mid-June. We dedicated our efforts in the first 1-2 months after release to better satisfy users’ needs and boost our latest product’s capabilities.
Normally, we release a new Official Release (OTA) update every 1-2 months. If you’d like to taste some of the latest OxygenOS features earlier, and receive updates more frequently, you’re more than welcome to join our Open Beta Program. Currently, we release Open Beta updates for the OP3/3T approximately once every month.
David: Some users asked why some new features, which are available through the Open Beta Program, are not implemented in the stable build releases on the OP3/3T?
Oliver: We’ve always positioned the Beta Program as a public laboratory for new features, feedback, and bug testing. This helps us improve the code of all of our MP builds. We unfortunately, cannot guarantee every feature present in the Open Betas will transition to the Official releases. Often times, even though the feature seems stable enough in the Beta builds, they are not ready or do not meet our quality standards for public release. (And yes, sometimes we test the value of upcoming features through the Open Beta Program for release in new or upcoming devices or later software updates.) In some situations, our limited development and QT resources force us to bring these features to one device first. These features are then introduced on other older devices further down the road. We love how the program has grown, but we do have to admit that we still have room to improve and better optimize the Open Beta Program.
Also, I’d like to take this opportunity to thank our users who have joined either our Closed Beta Program or our Open Beta Program. You have all helped us shape the functionalities and quality of OxygenOS.
David: What are you planning with regards to security updates for the OP3/3T?
Oliver: In keeping with the original schedule, we planned to update OxygenOS on the OP3/3T to version 4.5, with the latest security patch level update, in the next 1-2 months. However, some feedback from the community caught our attention and we decided to tweak it a little bit. We’ll split the update into two parts. First, we’ll update the security patch level to August, which will be released soon. The OxygenOS 4.5 update will be released at the scheduled time.
David: So the OP3/3T will soon catch up with the current version on the OP5, but some features on the OP5 will not be available on the OP3/3T, right?
Oliver: Yes, those missing features are mainly a result of hardware differences, such as the availability of Reading Mode on the OP5, which depends on the RGB sensor. The OP3/3T don’t have that hardware interface, so we are unable to release this feature on these two devices. The same reason applies to the new off-screen gestures and DCI-P3 screen calibration.
David: My last question is very important to OP3/3T users. How long will the OP3/3T continue to receive software support?
Oliver: Android O is going to be the last Android version update we’ll release for OP3/3T. We’ll continue to release security patch updates for the foreseeable future, and offer support for individual application updates. After the OP3/3T have been updated to Android O, we’ll start moving the Open Beta Program from OP3/3T to OP5.
Alright that's all I wanted to ask. Did you find answers to all of your questions? If not, leave your questions in the comments below and we’ll get back to you soon. Thank you all and enjoy the upcoming weekend!
Yours,
David

Friends I am sharing this just FYI that OP3/3T support is going to receive O and few updates after that and then the open beta program will move to OP5 and slowly the support for OP3/3T will end as usual with older models.

With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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android.reddy143 said:
With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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Not sure what you really expected. This has been the companies MO since day one. If you thought it would be different then no one is at fault other then you. Do the needed research and you will be fine. Also just a news flash but the every device is old by the time you get it. Heck unless you compile the OS your selfe then your software is outdated as well.

zelendel said:
Not sure what you really expected. This has been the companies MO since day one. If you thought it would be different then no one is at fault other then you. Do the needed research and you will be fine. Also just a news flash but the every device is old by the time you get it. Heck unless you compile the OS your selfe then your software is outdated as well.
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I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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android.reddy143 said:
I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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When O comes out the device will be about 18 months old. The same cut off point that other flagships offer. Some flagships never even see an update.
What I mean to convey is simple. If you are worried about updates then the only way to be sure is to get a device that you can build the OS for yourself. Most devices (even Flagships) come with outdated kernels and to be up to date you would have to flash every single day and sometimes a few times a day.

android.reddy143 said:
I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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Actually you get a damm lot support. Look how many updates there have been. Samsung still runs 7.0 if you have a Huawei you get 6 updates spreaded around 2 years, those updates contain minor bug fixes nothing special at all. And so on. You paid €400 for a phone and expect everything!

People complain at anything, Every device is supported for 24 months or less.. in most cases 18 or less Be glad it's getting O and not the sh!t show OP2 was.. But I give credit where it's due to OP my OP3 has had way more updates and fixes than my S7 Edge and that costs twice the price.. and still running outdated sh!tty 7.0.. So all isn't bad as long as OP keeps their devices up to date and fast with source code I can see them being the device to go to for Modding as such

android.reddy143 said:
With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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We got or will get 3 major android versions on op3, thats actually pretty good for a manufacturer. What did you expect?

MarcTremonti said:
We got or will get 3 major android versions on op3, thats actually pretty good for a manufacturer. What did you expect?
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The device did not get 3 major android versions as that would mean it came out with 5.0 but it came out with 6.0 even though 7.1 had been out when it was released.
Either way. The device should be ok for unofficial updates for atleast another year or 2 before the lack of updated kernel source will make the updates less.

zelendel said:
The device did not get 3 major android versions as that would mean it came out with 5.0 but it came out with 6.0 even though 7.1 had been out when it was released.
Either way. The device should be ok for unofficial updates for atleast another year or 2 before the lack of updated kernel source will make the updates less.
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Read my post. I said we got or will get 3 versions.
Marshmallow, nougat und the new O. So 3 versions. And thats pretty decent.
Besides that its an ex flagship, so we will enjoy good custom rom support.
Even my old Htc One S (jellybean latest official update) recently got nougat ressurrection remix which is working flawlessly.

MarcTremonti said:
Read my post. I said we got or will get 3 versions.
Marshmallow, nougat und the new O. So 3 versions. And thats pretty decent.
Besides that its an ex flagship, so we will enjoy good custom rom support.
Even my old Htc One S (jellybean latest official update) recently got nougat ressurrection remix which is working flawlessly.
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I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.

zelendel said:
I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.
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OP3 Shipped in June 2016, 7.0 didn't release till August 2016..

zelendel said:
I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.
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What else to call it? It directly competed with other flagships.
And it coulndt be shipped with 7, when 7 wasnt even available to that point, lol. So you can count 6.

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What else to call it? It directly competed with other flagships.
And it coulndt be shipped with 7, when 7 wasnt even available to that point, lol. So you can count 6.
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I call it a high midrange.
No I never count the OS it comes with.

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I call it a high midrange.
No I never count the OS it comes with.
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Totally agree. The OS the phone comes with out of the box is never counted as an update. :highfive:
If we get Android O, that will be our 2nd major OS update.
I agree with others that we've definitely had better support than Samsung Flagships in the past year.

Support has been great. Look how much updates we got, next to that how many of them where useful? Alot! We got alot better support then Samsung and Huawei at least. If they bring us a proper and stable Android 8.0 I am completely fine with it! Keep in mind this only is a €399/429 phone .

Project Treble and Note9

Should we expect Android 9 to come to the Note9 faster than previous updates on notes due to project Treble? Is that thing actually doing anything? The Note8 took FOREVER to get Oreo. Was that a Project Treble phone too? If so, I guess I should anticipate waiting until like February/March again, which is a shame for a flagship phone like this. I'd be pleased if it was out before 2019 begins. That's more than enough time I think.
What do you guys think?

PsiPhiDan said:
Should we expect Android 9 to come to the Note9 faster than previous updates on notes due to project Treble? Is that thing actually doing anything? The Note8 took FOREVER to get Oreo. Was that a Project Treble phone too? If so, I guess I should anticipate waiting until like February/March again, which is a shame for a flagship phone like this. I'd be pleased if it was out before 2019 begins. That's more than enough time I think.
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I wouldn't expect anything. Different but what do I know. The note 8 wasn't a treble device though.
I doubt you will see Pie before March April time frame.

pcriz said:
I wouldn't expect anything. Different but what do I know. The note 8 wasn't a treble device though.
I doubt you will see Pie before March April time frame.
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S9 plus is a treble device, but it's still on 8.0

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I wouldn't expect anything. Different but what do I know. The note 8 wasn't a treble device though.
I doubt you will see Pie before March April time frame.
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That would be worse than the Note8 Oreo time frame! It had better be better than THAT! Haha.
Good to know that the Note8 wasn't Treble. I was not aware. That's encouraging!

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S9 plus is a treble device, but it's still on 8.0
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I mean, Android 9 just came out though. Unless you're thinking it would be 8.1, and that's your point?

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I mean, Android 9 just came out though. Unless you're thinking it would be 8.1, and that's your point?
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Exactly, 8.1 has been out six months or so and I thought treble would make those smaller updates more timely.

Dont expect update on this for a while. One of the reason why im holding on this phone. Samsung extradegy is always release their new flaship with the updated OS while leaving other phone behind. We wont see android pie on the note 9 until after the GS10 release in march (or so) with pie include has the new OS. Samsung will just release security patches every 2 or 3 month until this.

PsiPhiDan said:
That would be worse than the Note8 Oreo time frame! It had better be better than THAT! Haha.
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Oreo for the note 8 came the beginning of april

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Oreo for the note 8 came the beginning of april
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Ugh, that is right... I forgot. I was using those early Oreo ROMs for the Note8 way earlier, but forgot the official wasn't until around 4/1.

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Ugh, that is right... I forgot. I was using those early Oreo ROMs for the Note8 way earlier, but forgot the official wasn't until around 4/1.
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Yeah I think the first of those dropped in what dec

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Somewhere in that neighborhood, yeah. It would be cool if the same happened on the Note9!

treble might provides updates a bit faster but I have had the galaxy s3, s5, s7e,s8 and now note 9 and updates were always very late and I think it would always be like that. maybe faster with treble but won't ever get updates as fast as others and we are going to wait months but I am sure no one has bought the note 9 or samsung phones for the fast updates ^^

After all the hulalbaloos and deep dives, lately I've been pronouncing it as "project trouble" for Galaxy flagships.

Working Pie GSI Rom for S9+
Since the hardware is exactly the same, will it work with Note 9?
<The guy in the video claims it should work on the Note9 too>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVsYd1rlMKo

PsiPhiDan said:
Should we expect Android 9 to come to the Note9 faster than previous updates on notes due to project Treble? Is that thing actually doing anything? The Note8 took FOREVER to get Oreo. Was that a Project Treble phone too? If so, I guess I should anticipate waiting until like February/March again, which is a shame for a flagship phone like this. I'd be pleased if it was out before 2019 begins. That's more than enough time I think.
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i have stopped myself from getting samsung since years ago due to the poor software updates. And i do not expect note 9 to be faster than any predecessors. i would still be alright if note 9 will never get Android Pie till 2020 (or neveR). Thats samsung and people should have expected that. Reasons i got myself the device was due to the 5 pillars of smartphone which Note9 did well, go watch the video by mkbhd.

This is really good news! Already, there is a Pie version of S9+ with Samsung Experience 10! It may be in its infant stages, but as the article mentions, that's at least a couple months faster than the last cycle (to Oreo), and this seems like a larger update.
https://www.xda-developers.com/excl...msung-experience-10-on-the-samsung-galaxy-s9/

PsiPhiDan said:
This is really good news! Already, there is a Pie version of S9+ with Samsung Experience 10! It may be in its infant stages, but as the article mentions, that's at least a couple months faster than the last cycle (to Oreo), and this seems like a larger update.
https://www.xda-developers.com/excl...msung-experience-10-on-the-samsung-galaxy-s9/
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Isn't it the case every year ?
Last year, I remember there was even a beta program for the S8.

alex989898 said:
Isn't it the case every year ?
Last year, I remember there was even a beta program for the S8.
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Yes, but as I mentioned, it is two months ahead of last year's schedule with the S8+.

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Yes, but as I mentioned, it is two months ahead of last year's schedule with the S8+.
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I'm pretty sure that last year the registration for the S8 Beta program began the first week of November and the first official beta release was just after that (I think around the 5 November or something like that).
Here, we have just a leaked firmware, around 1 month earlier than last week official beta. So don't get too excited.
Edit : I did a quick search and I find that the second beta firmware was released on the 10th of November last year.
https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.sam...-android-8-0-oreo-beta-firmware-released/amp/
So, I really doubt things will be quicker this year.

Well if the Pie update is indeed released in January, then that would be a pretty big improvement in my world (especially with how much more significant of an update this is)! Project Treble for the win?

Where is our Pie on Nokia 8 Sirocco?

Even Oneplus 6 open beta is going to be over in a matter of time and soon will be updated to stable Android Pie and we are already hearing news about Android Pie beta for Samsung S9+. Is Nokia planning to update Sirocco directly to Android Pie without beta labs? If no then it will be quite late. Nokia 7 Plus is still on beta and so many phones for Nokia to update to Android Pie. I wonder how much time will it take the Android Pie update to trickle its way down to low end devices from Nokia seeing the condition of the Flagship. Maybe I am being too skeptical. I hope Nokia increases its pace this time. And they are doing tremendous job with the fast security patches. Given that other companies releases and forgets their low end phones and even mid rangers , Nokia is doing great.

Lol! Already released on the Oneplus 6 as of now. Oh Come on! Android One ...

Wilson Shrestha said:
Lol! Already released on the Oneplus 6 as of now. Oh Come on! Android One ...
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The Sirocco seems to be like the forgotten son of HMD/Nokia. This is my first Nokia Android phone and definitely the last one! So much for the AndroidOne Program heh?