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Nexus 4 vs Galaxy Nexus: fight (video)

http://www.tuttoandroid.net/samsung...y-nexus-videoconfronto-da-tuttoandroid-77996/
good watching

I think I need a mustache...

cool video.
at this part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFIDJBQrnc&feature=player_embedded#t=677s
you can clearly see the difference in how deep the blacks are on the amoled.

superkevx said:
cool video.
at this part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFIDJBQrnc&feature=player_embedded#t=677s
you can clearly see the difference in how deep the blacks are on the amoled.
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Coming from a One X i must say that ever since I had the One x i simply despise amoled screens. The Black might be good but i'll take better whites over blacks any day. Apart from that the screen also felt so much brighter than the amoled screen.
The first thing I did when i heard of the nexus 4 and its price was to look whether the screen is Amoled or not. If it were an amoled screen i would have most probably thought twice before buying this device. Amoled IMO is just not there yet. I recall comparing the galaxy nexus's screen with my one x... That dim bluish white on websites was simply horrible.

superkevx said:
cool video.
at this part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFIDJBQrnc&feature=player_embedded#t=677s
you can clearly see the difference in how deep the blacks are on the amoled.
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Watch the first few seconds of this video (Nexus 4 boot up) and you will see that although blacks on the current top of the line LCD displays may not be the same as blacks on AMOLED screens, they're still VERY good.

Well, watched video. Amoled rules. Colors reproduction is way better. LCD way to go for improvement.
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I have a question...okay the black is better on the galaxy nexus....but when you use your phone, the screen is always black ? because, the white is better on the nexus 4 and the contrast is a lot better. So i don't understand all of this thing about the black on the galaxy nexus....( i used a lot the galaxy s 2 )

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How about you ****ing note that in the title, or at least somewhere in the post?

Like I've said before, what's the point of having on screen buttons when the background of the buttons are pure black? And until unless the phone doesn't produce deep blacks, what's the point? The Galaxy Nexus feel more like a Nexus MAINLY because of the AMOLED display.
Don't know why people keep complaining about the PenTile, it's not bad. It really isn't. The Galaxy Nexus, I agree, had some yellow-ing issues but most of the devices DID NOT. I had those issues - My screen broke - I got a new screen and it's FANTASTIC.
Just yesterday, I compared my Galaxy Nexus's screen with the HTC One X, the iPhone 5 and the HTC Sensation (All 3 having LCD displays) and trust me, none of the phones stand a chance in front of the color production of the Galaxy Nexus.
The main reason I didn't buy the Nexus 4 and I never will is the AMOLED. Nexus devices have had AMOLED since their first release. From the HTC One X to the Galaxy Nexus, the devices have been AMOLED and they looked amazing!
Sure the Nexus 4 has a great crisp screen but it surely doesn't beat the Galaxy Nexus in terms of color production and the black levels.
But well, every one has their own opinions. Don't jump on me!

arzbhatia said:
Like I've said before, what's the point of having on screen buttons when the background of the buttons are pure black? And until unless the phone doesn't produce deep blacks, what's the point? The Galaxy Nexus feel more like a Nexus MAINLY because of the AMOLED display.
Don't know why people keep complaining about the PenTile, it's not bad. It really isn't. The Galaxy Nexus, I agree, had some yellow-ing issues but most of the devices DID NOT. I had those issues - My screen broke - I got a new screen and it's FANTASTIC.
Just yesterday, I compared my Galaxy Nexus's screen with the HTC One X, the iPhone 5 and the HTC Sensation (All 3 having LCD displays) and trust me, none of the phones stand a chance in front of the color production of the Galaxy Nexus.
The main reason I didn't buy the Nexus 4 and I never will is the AMOLED. Nexus devices have had AMOLED since their first release. From the HTC One X to the Galaxy Nexus, the devices have been AMOLED and they looked amazing!
Sure the Nexus 4 has a great crisp screen but it surely doesn't beat the Galaxy Nexus in terms of color production and the black levels.
But well, every one has their own opinions. Don't jump on me!
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No thanks, Jeff. Pentile is an absolute disaster. Forget color reproduction. It has nearly 30% less sub pixels than the Nexus 4. I still remember telling people that the screen is 720P. My iPhone carrying friends literally laughed, because the difference in sharpness between the two screens was a complete and utter joke. Blacks are only noticeably different in a dark environment (try to see the difference in daylight; you can't), and considering most of us use our phones mostly in well lit areas, I'd take LCD > OLED. Lastly, do I even need to mention how pathetic whites were on Samsung crap? What about the severe burn in? Yeah. No thanks. AMOLED, never again...

Craven68 said:
I have a question...okay the black is better on the galaxy nexus....but when you use your phone, the screen is always black ? because, the white is better on the nexus 4 and the contrast is a lot better. So i don't understand all of this thing about the black on the galaxy nexus....( i used a lot the galaxy s 2 )
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Contrast:
Amoled>>>LCD
Contrast is the brighness of the whites divided by the brighness of the blacks, since the blacks on Amoleds have almost zero brightness their contrast is extremely high.
How contast is not everything, my main use of the phone is browsing and messaging so I will take accurate whites over perfect blacks anytime.
I also got sick of the oversaturated colors an even worse the unavoidable screen burn that is even worse on phones with onscreen buttons.

so i think the nexus 4 is definitely a degrade from Gnexus.... every one saying that ips lcd has a far better brightness than amoleds but its clearly showing in video that TRUE IPS PLUS LCD is totally crap when comparing to HDAmoled ..color reproduction,contrast levels, blacks as well aswhites(look in when comparing chrome browsers) , saturation everything excellent on AMoled.... i thought nexus 4 has a super duper display....but its a big dealbreaker for me...i sold my s3 for a nexus4 ...

gnan10 said:
so i think the nexus 4 is definitely a degrade from Gnexus.... every one saying that ips lcd has a far better brightness than amoleds but its clearly showing in video that TRUE IPS PLUS LCD is totally crap when comparing to HDAmoled ..color reproduction,contrast levels, blacks as well aswhites(look in when comparing chrome browsers) , saturation everything excellent on AMoled.... i thought nexus 4 has a super duper display....but its a big dealbreaker for me...i sold my s3 for a nexus4 ...
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READ THE THREAD BEFORE POSTING:
Pentile is an absolute disaster. Forget color reproduction. It has nearly 30% less sub pixels than the Nexus 4. I still remember telling people that the screen is 720P. My iPhone carrying friends literally laughed, because the difference in sharpness between the two screens was a complete and utter joke. Blacks are only noticeably different in a dark environment (try to see the difference in daylight; you can't), and considering most of us use our phones mostly in well lit areas, I'd take LCD > OLED. Lastly, do I even need to mention how pathetic whites were on Samsung crap? What about the severe burn in? Yeah. No thanks. AMOLED, never again...

alangrig said:
Well, watched video. Amoled rules. Colors reproduction is way better. LCD way to go for improvement.
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Actually you tend to find colour reproduction on AMOLED is worse. Sure it's more vibrant looking (often referred to as over-saturated), but that doesn't make it accurate.

Thanks been looking for one
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Does the Nexus 4 really have one of the best displays?

I've had my Nexus 4 a week now, I'm really enjoying it coming from a Desire HD, a very smooth experience. Although people keep saying the display is one of the best seen in a phone and I'm honestly not that blown away by it. I'm using Fauxclock to edit the display settings, I forgot what user-made settings I'm using.
Before the settings change I wasn't that impressed, afterwards I barely saw a difference, In-fact if I wasn't testing side by side I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
I'm not saying it's a poor display, the only thing I compare it to is my own IPS monitor and my old Desire HD, it may be because I'm already conditioned to an IPS display in terms of colour and whatnot, that I'm not seeing this wow factor.
This is using auto-brightness and after having a look, I'm using sebacestmoi's settings. (248.240.240 23.22.22 7.7.7)

going from super crapoled on the G Nexus is an amazing screen upgrade imo ESPECIALLY outdoors

After it's calibrated it looks nice. I had a mytouch which had the same screen as the desire(i think) and I very much prefer this screen. The top screens are: HOX, SIII, Note II, and iPhone 5.

What is the best way to calibrate the nexus 4 screen?
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Eltocliousus said:
I've had my Nexus 4 a week now, I'm really enjoying it coming from a Desire HD, a very smooth experience. Although people keep saying the display is one of the best seen in a phone and I'm honestly not that blown away by it. I'm using Fauxclock to edit the display settings, I forgot what user-made settings I'm using.
Before the settings change I wasn't that impressed, afterwards I barely saw a difference, In-fact if I wasn't testing side by side I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
I'm not saying it's a poor display, the only thing I compare it to is my own IPS monitor and my old Desire HD, it may be because I'm already conditioned to an IPS display in terms of colour and whatnot, that I'm not seeing this wow factor.
This is using auto-brightness and after having a look, I'm using sebacestmoi's settings. (248.240.240 23.22.22 7.7.7)
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It has the best LCD blacks on the market and features in-cell touch, so things on the screen look like they're floating. You can also do a better job of calibrating it. If you spend some time doing it, it's up there with the iPhone 5. That makes sense, since it's the same tech, but Apple does an extraordinary job of calibrating their displays.
I have a Desire HD too and it doesn't even compare. Blacks on the DHD are horrible and the colors are all dull. Stock Nexus 4 colors aren't any better, but if you mess with them they can be quite vibrant.
Sunlight performance is pretty ****ty on both displays.

warfexion said:
going from super crapoled on the G Nexus is an amazing screen upgrade imo ESPECIALLY outdoors
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It´s funny, two years ago everyone was talking about how great Super AMOLED was. The Nexus S has two versions, one with Super AMOLED, the other with Super Clear LCD. Everyone thought S-AMOLED was way better. In my opinion, LCD has always been better, at least in terms of colors. Certainly back then, when AMOLED still had PenTile.
I can imagine that it´s hard to switch from an AMOLED screen to a LCD screen though, even if it´s IPS.

Androyed said:
It´s funny, two years ago everyone was talking about how great Super AMOLED was. The Nexus S has two versions, one with Super AMOLED, the other with Super Clear LCD. Everyone thought S-AMOLED was way better. In my opinion, LCD has always been better, at least in terms of colors. Certainly back then, when AMOLED still had PenTile.
I can imagine that it´s hard to switch from an AMOLED screen to a LCD screen though, even if it´s IPS.
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I prefer amoled to be honest. I have no problem in the sun viewing my galaxy nexus and the contrast is amazing as are the view angles. Theres also a lot more calibration potential in custom roms as your not just dealing with a backlight. I still like a good lcd panel though. I just don't understand why the nexus 4 and nexus 10 (especially) have such poor calibrations out of the factory. I don't care if the colors are accurate but the nexus 10 could barely even display the color purple at all when I had it. Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to. Out of the factory both of these devices have shipped with terrible gamma curves and poor saturation. The fact they aren't calibrated them individually isn't the problem. They are calibrated wrongly.

blackhand1001 said:
I prefer amoled to be honest. I have no problem in the sun viewing my galaxy nexus and the contrast is amazing as are the view angles. Theres also a lot more calibration potential in custom roms as your not just dealing with a backlight. I still like a good lcd panel though. I just don't understand why the nexus 4 and nexus 10 (especially) have such poor calibrations out of the factory. I don't care if the colors are accurate but the nexus 10 could barely even display the color purple at all when I had it. Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to.
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The fact that it doesn´t use backlight is good. I think that´s the future. I would love to see some hybrid technology with ''normal'' colors.

iPwn_ said:
It has the best LCD blacks on the market and features in-cell touch, so things on the screen look like they're floating. You can also do a better job of calibrating it. If you spend some time doing it, it's up there with the iPhone 5. That makes sense, since it's the same tech, but Apple does an extraordinary job of calibrating their displays.
I have a Desire HD too and it doesn't even compare. Blacks on the DHD are horrible and the colors are all dull. Stock Nexus 4 colors aren't any better, but if you mess with them they can be quite vibrant.
Sunlight performance is pretty ****ty on both displays.
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I read quite a bit about that in cell touch thing, I don't see anything floating myself buy it sounds fancy anyway. The colours do look accurate but not super vibrant as some say. It is calibrated.

I really love the display of the N4 after "calibratiing" it with the faux app. It looks simply stunning, sharp, great colors, awesome black levels and this floating effect (the screen looks like it is painted on the glass).
There are only 2 things which are not perfect (for me atleast), I always have the display on auto-brightness and on the lowest setting (when in dark enviroments) the colors don't look right (hard to explain) but as soon as you increase the brightness a tiny bit it really starts to come to life...
Second thing is this weird effect that it changes the color slightly from yellow/blue depending on the viewing angle, it is not bad it is just a little thing which stops it from being the best. I couldn't compare it side by side to a HOX yet (but I played around with it for a while) but the only difference I see from my N4 and HOX is this weird yellow/blue polarization effect. So I'd say the HOX is still the best display I've seen but the N4 is a really close second. My previous phone the DHD is no comparison aswell as the GNex or Galaxy Note...
But the stock settings on the N4 are horrible when I first saw it I was like "apart from the resolution I rather use my DHD...", everything was yellow/green just horrible...

Peter1856 said:
I really love the display of the N4 after "calibratiing" it with the faux app. It looks simply stunning, sharp, great colors, awesome black levels and this floating effect (the screen looks like it is painted on the glass).
There are only 2 things which are not perfect (for me atleast), I always have the display on auto-brightness and on the lowest setting (when in dark enviroments) the colors don't look right (hard to explain) but as soon as you increase the brightness a tiny bit it really starts to come to life...
Second thing is this weird effect that it changes the color slightly from yellow/blue depending on the viewing angle, it is not bad it is just a little thing which stops it from being the best. I couldn't compare it side by side to a HOX yet (but I played around with it for a while) but the only difference I see from my N4 and HOX is this weird yellow/blue polarization effect. So I'd say the HOX is still the best display I've seen but the N4 is a really close second. My previous phone the DHD is no comparison aswell as the GNex or Galaxy Note...
But the stock settings on the N4 are horrible when I first saw it I was like "apart from the resolution I rather use my DHD...", everything was yellow/green just horrible...
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What Faux settings are you using? And thankyou for the well written reply.

.....you came from a 2+ year old phone using a two year old display and somehow you aren't blown away with this display?
Not sure if needs glasses or trolling....

Eltocliousus said:
What Faux settings are you using? And thankyou for the well written reply.
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It is in the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoDp2qRui0u0dGE4T2gtSDBTRHVFSldPS2RrX1Rya0E#gid=0
I simply tried a couple from the list, like the most different settings to see what direction I had to take for my display... And then when I found a good one, I tried to improve it with minor adjustments...

tweaked said:
.....you came from a 2+ year old phone using a two year old display and somehow you aren't blown away with this display?
Not sure if needs glasses or trolling....
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Is this sarcasm?

Eltocliousus said:
Is this sarcasm?
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No. He was being serious. I agree with him.
Or do I?

Definitely not the best screen.
But definitely the best screen for the price.

xchasa said:
Definitely not the best screen.
But definitely the best screen for the price.
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Which one is the best?

blackhand1001 said:
Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to. Out of the factory both of these devices have shipped with terrible gamma curves and poor saturation. The fact they aren't calibrated them individually isn't the problem. They are calibrated wrongly.
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Yes, quite terrible. Maybe Apple has a patent on properly calibrated displays! lol
Google has done incredibly bad in calibrating their own devices (starting from Galaxy Nexus -> Nexus 7 -> Nexus 4 and 10).
If you look at a gray scale gradient, instead of seeing: black -> dark gray -> light gray -> white, you see: black -> dark magenta -> green -> yellow. WTF???
What the heck did Google smoke???
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Kazliux said:
Which one is the best?
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iPhone 5 or HOX(+). Both are bright, with good contrast AND properly calibrated BY DEFAULT!

Androyed said:
The fact that it doesn´t use backlight is good. I think that´s the future. I would love to see some hybrid technology with ''normal'' colors.
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It just has to be widely adapted. People said LCD had weird colors compared to CRT too. And now it is repeating hear with people used to seeing LCD all of their lives saying AMOLED looks weird. But in reality, AMOLED has a pretty wide palette and when viewing certain palettes get magnified when viewed next to a pool of dark black rather than a dark grey. Same thing applies to a really bright white, colors look more washed out than they really are when viewed next to a bright white. that is just the way the cells in our eyes work.
The LG Optimus G currently has my favorite mobile phone display though. For some reason it looks a lot better than the Nexus 4 display even though the screen is exactly the same. Might be software but it might be the wallpapers. Go check out an Optimus G with the wallpaper of the rocks or the colorful feathers, amazing.
The Nexus 10 display is also just wow too. It is gorgeous and probably the best mobile display ever. A 10 inch 300 ppi screen is as good as it sounds.

It does have a nice display if nothing is wrong with it. The quality is very happy inconsistent
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The "Supposed" washed out screen on the N5

For those saying the N5 has a washed out screen i advise you to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNcuBcnnoU
The N5 has a top notch screen, the viewing angles are abit off but the actual quality is amazing! It clearly outclasses the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O

GalaxySN00B:0 said:
For those saying the N5 has a washed out screen i advise you to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNcuBcnnoU
The N5 has a top notch screen, the viewing angles are abit off but the actual quality is amazing! It clearly outclasses the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O
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To say that the N5's screen is great because it's better than the Z1's isn't saying a whole lot. That's like calling yourself fast bc you're only the 3 slowest kid in gym class. I've had both phones and still currently have my N5. I do find the N5 screen to be dull compared to most phones I've used and compared. That being said, as you raise the brightness the screen does look much nicer. It seems the brightness levels have more to do with it than the actual quality of the screen. The Z1 is a great phone but one plagued by terrible viewing angles. The screen which is still quite nice, isn't the best part of the phone so I wouldn't use it as a base of comparison to build up the N5's screen. I don't put a lot of weight into those "complaint threads" because the phone costs $349-$400, for what you pay you get a pretty good phone.
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A lot of people confuse over saturation as a nice screen and natural as dull. Since you can't really test the difference on a phone, if your TV has a standard or vivid mode then throw it on that. Then throw the TV into movie mode. It would look dull at first but that is the closest picture to a calibrated level you will get out of the box. Once your eyes adjust to that picture, then try going back to standard mode. You will never be able to watch an over saturated fake picture again.
Look at the picture in a movie theater, you can call that dull as well but these is what natural and real life look like.
Now, if they boosted up the contrast, that would improve the screen.

looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?

Dani897 said:
looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?
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I'm really looking forward to the inevitable Anandtech review of this phone. Their reviews are almost absurdly detailed and they have lots of great, objective data.

Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
I compared it to both my Nexus 7 and iPad Air and it looks almost identical. Almost every review I have seen claims that it is "washed out", but I'm beginning to think it's just a color neutral LCD screen.
Angeloftech (check out her youtube channel) does some very extensive screen tests in her reviews and talks about the calibration and what the numbers mean. She hasn't released her Nexus 5 review yet, but I suspect it's due any day. That will give us a little better indication of what this screen is about. For example, she called out the LG G2 as being oversaturated and nowhere near accurate. That screen looks great to me, but the tests don't lie. I think we have just become accustomed to oversaturated screens and it's skewing our perspective a little.

The colours are fine it's the white balance that's off it's too warm.

greyhulk said:
Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
I compared it to both my Nexus 7 and iPad Air and it looks almost identical. Almost every review I have seen claims that it is "washed out", but I'm beginning to think it's just a color neutral LCD screen.
Angeloftech (check out her youtube channel) does some very extensive screen tests in her reviews and talks about the calibration and what the numbers mean. She hasn't released her Nexus 5 review yet, but I suspect it's due any day. That will give us a little better indication of what this screen is about. For example, she called out the LG G2 as being oversaturated and nowhere near accurate. That screen looks great to me, but the tests don't lie. I think we have just become accustomed to oversaturated screens and it's skewing our perspective a little.
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You can have a "natural" colors and still have a "dull" or washed out screen. This isn't simply a case of AMOLED over saturation vs N5 and it's "natural" colors. My HTC Butterfly to me has the best screen I've seen. Mind you I own a 5S, Note 3, Butterfly S and N5 all currently. Its color reproduction, saturation, viewing angles and clarity to me best the others. The N5's colors are closer to "natural " then AMOLEDS however that being said is still on the dull side. The note has a clear, bright screen and tends to have improved the cartoonish saturation effect especially when in Movie Mode. Overall I think the N5's screen is OK but not my favorite.
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Her reviews make many of the big boys look like novice fanboys. She does in depth testing with LOTS of real world use reports. She takes the time to actually use these things and not be the first out the door with a review. Most importantly, she will put the screen under a scope so we can see what is going on. The nexus 5 screen to me looks amazing, very reminiscent of the calibration apple uses. Compared o the broken calibration that was the nexus 4, I think it is great.
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Nexus 5 is coming with 2 different panels
There are users who ordered 2 phones and these are different screen, one of them washed colors and yellow whites and the other is more cold and real whites like nexus 4
I prefer nexus 4 cause white is real white not sepia
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fjavierm said:
Nexus 5 is coming with 2 different panels
There are users who ordered 2 phones and these are different screen, one of them washed colors and yellow whites and the other is more cold and real whites like nexus 4
I prefer nexus 4 cause white is real white not sepia
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This wouldn't entirely surprise me. I've been scratching my heads about the threads about the yellow whites. I believe some people are experiencing it, especially since people have provided pictures. The white on my phone is a neutral or slightly cool white.

No yellow colors here. my xperia t has a more yellowish screen + is washed out a lot more

As far as I have used this device for a week, it seems color temperature is a bit too high. I hope there will be some kernels that has color temperature options.

Dani897 said:
looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?
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There was already a calibration test done. There is a link somewhere in one of these threads. It tested that the N5 had the closest colors to reference out of all the phones they tested. Maybe someone will find the link and post it here. They also tested brightness and contrast.
It was the contest that is scored towards the bottom of all the phones they tested.

greyhulk said:
Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
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Exactly. You can't go comparing Amoled against ISP. There two totally different technologies. When I compare the N5 to other ISP phones mine looks pretty damn good. Like any LCD though I will calibrate it to my taste once the kernels allow for that. This whole thread is literally "in the eye of the beholder."

I've seen 2 different Nexus 5 units here in Canada (at Virgin Mobile kiosks) and in both cases the colors were accurate and very good, though the
whites are a slight bit on the yellowish/warm side. Compared to an iPhone 5S, the whites on the 5S are brighter and cooler.
Well, the good news is that franco kernel is well under development (according to the original nexus development thread) and once it's complete, we should be able to use his app (Display Control) to calibrate the screen if we want to.

Here are a couple of tests run on the N5 and some other flagships and the results. Link pulled from another thread here.
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...s-schermkwaliteit-scherp-en-dik-in-orde.html

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Here are a couple of tests run on the N5 and some other flagships and the results. Link pulled from another thread here.
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//tweakers.net/reviews/3298/7/google-nexus-5-toptelefoon-met-scherpe-prijs-schermkwaliteit-scherp-en-dik-in-orde.html%0A
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Lol I read the article and wondered why it was written in English but read like the auther was drunk until I saw the web address and saw translate. Good read though, points are easily understood and sum up the comments of most.
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i think comparing the Z1 to N5 isnt fair anyway.
So what if the screen on the N5 is technically better? I've used both and...i didnt think the Z1 screen was that bad really. And viewing angles?
How many people use a personal device tilted to the sides? Most people are going to be looking straight at the thing when they're using it, 100% for me, it's a personal device and i'd be rather happy if others couldnt see whats on the screen.
And also "the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O"
really.
Feel sorry for the people who bought a very solid and well build phone?
Feel sorry for the people who dont have rattling buttons?
Feel sorry for the people who can happily drop it down a toilet and still have a functioning phone?
Feel sorry for the people who have a camera that's superbly better than the nexus 5?
Well done there mate.

Cheaper display? I'm not so happy

Hi,
I own a Galaxy S2, Note N7000, a Tab S and a newer SM-N910C Note 4. I counted these devices to point I'm very familiar with various AMOLED displays. In fact, I'm so charmed by this technology that I won't ever buy a phone or tablet with LCD again. The problem is, on Note 4 RED is not as RED as in previous devices. I put the same test image on all devices, and all S2, Note 1 and Tab S displays a very pure red, the Note4 displays a kind of red- pink. I really can't say the view quality is poor, white is really white on its screen, but the wavelength of the red color is clearly different. All in this device gives me a "premium feel", but I can't explain why red looks so different. Did they used cheaper materials? I can't imagine it's only to my phone, screen uniformity is good and all screeen has the same color.
I pictured all phones (Note 4 on the left, Note 1 and S2 on the right) with Standard screen mode, brightness maximum.
I noticed this possible issue few days ago when I found about the *#0*# test mode for samsung and I wanted to try. At the very first RED test I noticed that isn't quite red.
Please note that colors aren't distorted because of different screen brightness, the hue is quite the same for the eye, too!
LE: I'm sorry I didn't noticed the screen dedicated topic here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-tmobile/general/display-issues-thread-t2910575/page2
My mistake...

Mine looks about as crappy. Dang it now you've triggered my ocd, sigh.

Mine's an SM-910F and the screen is red as red can be. Probably deeper red than the S2 in your pic.

Jonathan-H said:
Mine's an SM-910F and the screen is red as red can be. Probably deeper red than the S2 in your pic.
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Same here with a N910C.

Agreed my n910f is as red as it could be.

Here is my Note 4 next to my good old S2. Both are on maximum brightness and the picture is taken with an S4.
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The thing is the Note 4 screen is way way much brighter than the S2 and is known that the previous Galaxy flagships had very unrealistic and saturated colors. The Note 4 has by far the best screen ever and color reproduction is much closer to reality compared to the older generations of S/Note line.
Cheaper display? No chance! The display on Note 4 is top quality/technology and you cannot compare it to the S2.
EDIT: Check your Display settings, you might use different settings and that might be the cause of the pink'ish red.

Dean-xXx said:
Here is my Note 4 next to my good old S2. Both are on maximum brightness and the picture is taken with an S4.
The thing is the Note 4 screen is way way much brighter than the S2 and is known that the previous Galaxy flagships had very unrealistic and saturated colors. The Note 4 has by far the best screen ever and color reproduction is much closer to reality compared to the older generations of S/Note line.
Cheaper display? No chance! The display on Note 4 is top quality/technology and you cannot compare it to the S2.
EDIT: Check your Display settings, you might use different settings and that might be the cause of the pink'ish red.
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This phenomena happens the same with screen on basic or photo. The red hue is the same on my S2, note1 AND Tab S - which it is said it has the most calibrated screen colors. Only on Note 4 the hue is slight pinky. Not much, but uniform. Can I have a unit that was not properly checked?

Hi,
Can anyone please test with this image on 10% brightness to check if there is ghosting.
Best regards

davidk_ro said:
This phenomena happens the same with screen on basic or photo. The red hue is the same on my S2, note1 AND Tab S - which it is said it has the most calibrated screen colors. Only on Note 4 the hue is slight pinky. Not much, but uniform. Can I have a unit that was not properly checked?
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For me, you have a faulty unit. Please go to settings and change the screen mode under "screen" to have the same in every device, if it still looks bad, take the photos and send it to the Warranty, they have to give you a brand new device. My N910C looks much better than my Old N7000's screen. Used an image with R:255 G: 0 B: 0 (Pure red) and doesnt looks "pink" as yours. Good luck and let us know if you will have a replacement or not. Cheers!

shadowlabs9 said:
Hi,
Can anyone please test with this image on 10% brightness to check if there is ghosting.
Best regards
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Not on mine...no ghosting
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-Sweeper_ said:
Same here with a N910C.
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Mine N9910C perfect

Had to check mine, perfectly fine.
It's super red lol, looks like they gave you an LCD cause it's about as washed out as a nexus5

Nano23 said:
Not on mine...no ghosting
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Can you please repeat the process ... Making zoom the image, then drag from one side to the other repeatedly, with low brightness (~ 10%) to see if the ghosting around the cat appear when in motion.
Thanks in advance.

shadowlabs9 said:
Can you please repeat the process ... Making zoom the image, then drag from one side to the other repeatedly, with low brightness (~ 10%) to see if the ghosting around the cat appear when in motion.
Thanks in advance.
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Yes. There's ghosting and it's a known issue since the Galaxy S4. This affects every Note 4 so don't worry, it's not only your phone.
Edit: actually it's not called ghosting. Its like blue shades it had a proper name, I will investigate a bit more

galaxynote2 said:
Yes. There's ghosting and it's a known issue since the Galaxy S4. This affects every Note 4 so don't worry, it's not only your phone.
Edit: actually it's not called ghosting. Its like blue shades it had a proper name, I will investigate a bit more
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Yes.. theres something there
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Ok,
I've read something about it... but i think i'm just becoming paranoid about amoled. Last year I sent my S4 to warranty because of that, but in another intensity (way more marked than with the N4)...
Thanks for your opinion.
Best regards
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like a few others, the colors are just fine, perfect red...

Don't worry, I had a Galaxy s4 too and I hated its screen. On my Sm-N910C I see some ghosting, but its 1/5 of the Galaxy s4 ghosting. Don't Worry about this bro.
My red screen is very good too. I made a comparison with my Galaxy s4 and I see no much difference.
Until the Galaxy s6 outs, the Nkte 4 has the best screen of the market.
Sorry for my bad english, I'm very sleepy.

I'll go into a store and compare my unit with a display unit there. I hope the unit in "Store mode" allows me to enter *#0*#, as I won't be able to install apps on it. After all, it is a simple test; then I'll get back here to tell you.

jgfernog said:
Don't worry, I had a Galaxy s4 too and I hated its screen. On my Sm-N910C I see some ghosting, but its 1/5 of the Galaxy s4 ghosting. Don't Worry about this bro.
My red screen is very good too. I made a comparison with my Galaxy s4 and I see no much difference.
Until the Galaxy s6 outs, the Nkte 4 has the best screen of the market.
Sorry for my bad english, I'm very sleepy.
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had the chance to see the Note 4 and the S6 side by side via skype right after the official presentation, looks pretty much the same (Talking about brightness and contrast). IDK about colors as the stream was a bit low quality, but between both I didn't saw too much difference. The screen seems to be the same as Note 4, and that's why Samsung didn't made publicity of the S6 screen and instead focused in other features.
Before starting to explain, I will do an analogy about the amoled screens: There were two "batchs"/generation of amoled screens, first one is the S/S2/S3/Note1/Note2 and the newer one started with the S4, and remained in the Note 3/4 and probably the S6.
Since the S4, samsung "remade" the Amoled screens from scratch, featuring better color reproduciton and whites (the older generation had a green tint all over the white colors).
The S4 screen was the poor amoled screen so far. Maybe because it was the first 1080p Screen by samsung, but it wasn't the best. The issue was called "Purple smearing" and happend even at full brightness. It was pretty noticeable when you move a grey object which had a black background behind, just like the separators between settings at the settings app. However, this issue was reduced in newer devices. The S4 Mini didn't had this issue since the screen quality was pretty much the same screen build as the Note 2, S2 or S3. In the Galaxy S5 and Note 4, the screen was much better built than the S4, however, the smearing effect still happens at low brightness. It's not a big deal, I can live with that. I just hope that I will not have screen burn-in problems like I had with the Note N7000.

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Before starting to explain, I will do an analogy about the amoled screens: There were two "batchs"/generation of amoled screens, first one is the S/S2/S3/Note1/Note2 and the newer one started with the S4, and remained in the Note 3/4 and probably the S6.
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My impression is S3 was the first using different driving methods and different materials. Different driving because you can see PWM dimming when low brightness and different materials because bluish reflections when display off.

What are my odds of getting a flawless AMOLED (uniformity issues, etc) for Mi 8?

Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?

OLED screens in general are more problematic displaying dark shapes of grey compared to IPS panels. This has to do with manufacturing tolerances of individual light-emitting pixels at low current. This, in particular, is the reason why most OLED panels employ PWM (flickering) to control brightness, applying higher current in short pulses compared to applying constant low current. If you search for "LG G Flex 2 screen uniformity", you'll see some pretty extreme example of this.
That said, with each individual OLED panel and depending on your personal tolerances, your luck may vary. My Mi 8 is very acceptable when displaying dark shades of grey (I don't notice the problem even if it is there). If you received my Mi 8, there is a chance you could spot the issue because your personal tolerance of the problem is lower than mine. My wife uses an LG G Flex 2 and never notices the (very real) problem with its display uniformity (I do!)
In other words, most users are happy with their displays, but it does not mean all of them got a perfect one.

anthroplus said:
Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?
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That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.

Grana_10 said:
That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.
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That's right I have this issue on my note 9 too. My previous note 9 had this and devices in store had this.
Its normal.

anthroplus said:
Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?
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"Aren't uniform" meaning you cannot tell the difference in the shades? Grey is a very challenging and controversial color for AMOLED. Use the Display Tester app by Braintrapp from Google Play and try the "Gamma detection" app when you have your device, you'll see it displayed horizontally. Swipe up and down (with the device of course held horizontally, or "landscape" mode) to change the brightness and look at how it displays grey at different brightness levels. Very weird huh?! It's perfectly normal.
I guess you can say it is a "grey area" for AMOLED...

Crossvxm said:
I would have to say you're in for quite a gamble. Most people aren't keen to spot "defects" on AMOLED displays. I am. Coming from a person who has owned many phones of both main screen technologies, I can tell you that the displays can vary even on identical devices. I've owned Galaxy devices with some having a red hue and others not, same when I had two Nexus 6, one had a slightly red hue and seemingly lower brightness at max, the other was perfect. Sometimes manufacturers have different facilities making the same screen, and differences arise. If you do get a replacement, you just have to hope it's from the better batch.
Now to get a better understanding, what do you mean when you say "aren't uniform?" Could you describe a little what you mean and where/when you notice the issue (e.g. videos, pictures, etc.)
Also, did you attempt to set a static color contrast within the Settings? The display does change tones automatically by default. According to the Display Tester app by Braintrapp from Google Play, it seems that our display does not support Wide Color Gamut. Some of the hues seem to be a tiny bit off according to it on my display, and this is coming from someone who owns a Mi 8 with a "perfect" AMOLED display.
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Every oled screen is uneven, clearly visible on dark gray backround in dark room. Even samsungs don't have perfect screens.

Grana_10 said:
That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.
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I have the same issue with pixel 2 xl

I've owned the nexus 6p, OnePlus 5, 5t, 6 and the mi 8.
Tbh I think the mi8 has the worst AMOLED display of all of them when it comes to dark backgrounds in low light. It has like a "jelly scrolling" effect
My avatar on YouTube is solid black and I use the dark mode of the YouTube app....when I'm scrolling through comments i leave on videos with the screen brightness down low there's a noticable trailing effect.
It's not enough to make me want to return it but it's a problem I didn't have with any of the other devices I listed.
I prefer AMOLED to LCD any day.

xyourxhighnessx said:
I've owned the nexus 6p, OnePlus 5, 5t, 6 and the mi 8.
Tbh I think the mi8 has the worst AMOLED display of all of them when it comes to dark backgrounds in low light. It has like a "jelly scrolling" effect
My avatar on YouTube is solid black and I use the dark mode of the YouTube app....when I'm scrolling through comments i leave on videos with the screen brightness down low there's a noticable trailing effect.
It's not enough to make me want to return it but it's a problem I didn't have with any of the other devices I listed.
I prefer AMOLED to LCD any day.
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Coming from OnePlus 6, what motivated you to move to the Mi 8?

anthroplus said:
Coming from OnePlus 6, what motivated you to move to the Mi 8?
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I bought the op6 with PayPal credit. I bought two and with the op6t coming I decided to sell them instead of paying the remaining balance. At first I intended to go with 6t but in the end I thought I'd try something different.
Since the Nexus 6p all of my phones have been stock/near stock. I thought I'd try something else. I like stock better because I feel there's a learning curve to miui if you're used to stock but overall I like the mi 8. I wish I would've waited for the mi mix 3 though. The sliding design is nice.
The full screen gesture navigation is the best button free navigation I've tried. I haven't used the buttons since nearly the beginning of owning it. It'll suck when I decide to use a non-xiaomi device. I didn't like OnePlus or stock gesture navigation

well i gotta say, i was afraid to get an bad Screen, too. Especially after reading threads like this. But i can say my screen is perfectly fine. even in lowest brightness. Yes The grays are not that gray as on the screen as on lcd, but thats the same with all amoled screens, and you only see it when u have the exact same app on an lcd screen beside your phone. For the rest its super fine.

Yeah. After 3+ months of using the phone, I’m learning to just enjoy it naturally without nitpicking details that don’t practically affect my everyday experience.
If we treat the phone like a baby, there’s an endless list of concerns.
But if you really just use it like you would (without analyzing scenarios that don’t come naturally), so many of these issues don’t matter at the end of the day.

I think the green is much more problematic on amoled displays (on low brightness / Oled Tool)

Sigray said:
I think the green is much more problematic on amoled displays (on low brightness / Oled Tool)
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That's exactly what I found.
Now, having said that, we don't use oled tools for practical purposes.
I basically don't notice the issue at all under normal use.
In other words, if I never did nitpick at first, 3 years of normal daily use could pass without me noticing the issue at all.