Project Treble, as you've heard, is an amazing new update structure for Android devices and also can affect the speed and stability of Android development.
OnePlus has decided not to implement the current OnePlus devices with Project Treble, and they haven't given an explanation as to why they decided not to.
Project Treble can help the 3/3T as they are almost out of the OEM support days. If they do implement this, you may be looking at Android P ROMs for your device within days of the release of the AOSP commits.
Stand UP for your device and our responsibility as the community should be to bring support for our device for as long as possible. If OnePlus implements this, our device will be future proof for the aeons to come.
Your vote counts.
Change Org - https://www.change.org/p/carl-pei-we...-treble-in-oos
Do your part as a OnePlus 3/3T user and VOTE!
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but first OnePlus must have device stock running on oreo. op6 maybe will have treble
RKBD said:
but first OnePlus must have device stock running on oreo. op6 maybe will have treble
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No, that's not true.
Explorer23 said:
Another thread for this? Already have one ...
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Sorry, I'm coming from the 3T forums, and I didn't search here for a mirror thread. I just wanted to spread the news of this petition as wide as possible.
Almost 11K, I don't think it'll be enough. But it seems that OnePlus is thinking about give us treble.
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According to David Y on OnePlus Official forums:
First, my answer to the question on the thread title:
Yes. OnePlus 3/3T will get Android O. OOS team are working on it, even new community app (not public yet) just finished the compatibility work for Android O last week.
Here are some update I'd like to share with you guys:
Currently the OOS team are focusing on the OBT program and Android O for OP3/3T, also stable updates for OP5. Next stable update for OP3/3T was planned, will be a minor update updated Android security patch level to August.
I will keep you all in the loop once I got some latest updates.
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https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/will-op3-and-3t-get-android-o.498382/page-8#post-16580894
Ask op2 owners about promises like this. Will see.
simcax said:
Ask op2 owners about promises like this. Will see.
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Well, unlike the OP2, the OnePlus 3 was much more successful, and had no hardware issues. Plus, due to the similarities in hardware (and consequently software) between the OnePlus 3 and the 3T, they can essentially provide support for 2 devices at the cost and effort of one. If they, for instance, decide to go back on their promise for some reason, they would be offending the owners of 2 devices at the same time. As explained earlier, there would be no logical reason in updating just the 3T and not the 3. Now the only way forward for OnePlus would be to deliver on the standard 18 month support promise. It WOULD however, be a miracle if OnePlus goes one step further and give us the P update too, whenever it comes out. Unlikely, but a man can dream...
simcax said:
Ask op2 owners about promises like this. Will see.
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the 1st time was a promise , this time is an official timeline, he stated what the development team is working on already , not what they intend to...so,
i get it was bad not to provide the OP2 with the N update, but the circumstances for the 3/T is different.
drakonizer said:
Well, unlike the OP2, the OnePlus 3 was much more successful, and had no hardware issues. Plus, due to the similarities in hardware (and consequently software) between the OnePlus 3 and the 3T, they can essentially provide support for 2 devices at the cost and effort of one. If they, for instance, decide to go back on their promise for some reason, they would be offending the owners of 2 devices at the same time. As explained earlier, there would be no logical reason in updating just the 3T and not the 3. Now the only way forward for OnePlus would be to deliver on the standard 18 month support promise. It WOULD however, be a miracle if OnePlus goes one step further and give us the P update too, whenever it comes out. Unlikely, but a man can dream...
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Totally agree drakonizer. :highfive:
Lets hope Android O isn't a mess, (like Lollipop was,) and that the final OS update for our devices is stable with good battery life. For the next year after it can be left untouched with just the security patch updated.
I also don't expect OP to update us to Android P.
If they do a blog like this I would love this! I do rather have Oneplus being honest to us with what they are planning and working on!
It's not like they having so many devices to update, so i don't see any problem they support 3/T further, to P maybe? why jack up the ram to 6 Gb and says it's for "future proofing" if the software alone isn't supported for long. this device is more than capable handling O and so on
As Oneplus has released kernel sources for Oneplus 5t as mentioned in this post by @Funk Wizard
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/development/oneplus-5t-kernel-sources-t3705825
Hope they keep Board Support Package(BSP), the proprietary libraries, Unified just like they did with Oneplus 3 and 3t.
As Oneplus 5 is not available anymore, Developers wont get Oneplus 5 and will obviously go and Develop for Oneplus 5t.
Thus we'll have to rely on Unified builds for Custom Roms on this just 4 months 26 days old device.
I hope Oneplus unifies it.
Edit 1. I think this post by @eng.stk in Oneplus-5t forum suggests possibility of unified development ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74544323
Edit 2. Oneplus team answers on unified builds for Op5/5t
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/join-our-oneplus-5t-ama-now.686679/page-12#post-17146475
What do you guys think?
A lot of awesome devs have already bought the oneplus 5 so I don't think we need to worry.
Op5 will get Oreo in 2018, op5t in December. This is exactly why I won't buy another HTC phone again after my Sensation. OnePlus is going that way with big steps.
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01 Vlatce said:
Op5 will get Oreo in 2018, op5t in December. This is exactly why I won't buy another HTC phone again after my Sensation. OnePlus is going that way with big steps.
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OP5 is getting Oreo beta this month, OP5T gets Oreo next month. It's 3/3T all over again.
CrashTestDroid said:
OP5 is getting Oreo beta this month, OP5T gets Oreo next month. It's 3/3T all over again.
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Well, I missed that part with the beta, I only watched when he said early 2018 for op5. Anyway, that's a good news everyone!
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You are seeing this wrong guys.
Android Oreo 5T open beta starts late December.
Android Oreo 5 open beta starts later this month.
pirilampus said:
You are seeing this wrong guys.
Android Oreo 5T open beta starts late December.
Android Oreo 5 open beta starts later this month.
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Exactly.
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01 Vlatce said:
Op5 will get Oreo in 2018, op5t in December. This is exactly why I won't buy another HTC phone again after my Sensation. OnePlus is going that way with big steps.
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HTC U11 already gettin' Oreo. In Taiwan. And not beta or gamma or delta.
The open beta for N for the OP3 launched on 30 Nov, 2016.
The open beta for N for the OP3T launched on 31 Dec, 2016.
Open beta builds were unified in early 2017.
Hopefully, the stable Oreo build slated for release in early 2018 will be a unified build for the 5 and 5T. **fingers crossed**
toki said:
HTC U11 already gettin' Oreo. In Taiwan. And not beta or gamma or delta.
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It doesn't matter now anymore. They already lost their fanbase and customers because of their sh***y update policy, they were neck to neck with Samsung, look where's HTC now.
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My biggest worry is that they aren't porting project Treble. Leaked beta doesn't seem to have it.
lunafag said:
My biggest worry is that they aren't porting project Treble. Leaked beta doesn't seem to have it.
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You can safely assume it never will, coz it wasn't launched with oreo.
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You can safely assume it never will, coz it wasn't launched with oreo.
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Not necessarily true. Essentially Phone did not launch with Oreo and it has it with the latest beta O.
doomwithdon said:
You can safely assume it never will, coz it wasn't launched with oreo.
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Yess and why wouldn't they port it ?? back up your story as said here the essential phone gets it.
I think this post by @eng.stk in Oneplus-5t forum suggests possibility of unified development ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74544323
snippem said:
Yess and why wouldn't they port it ?? back up your story as said here the essential phone gets it.
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https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-project-treble-android-oreo/
Here u go...
OnePlus officially stated in their AMA yesterday that the 5/5T builds will "eventually" be "synced" like they did with the 3/3T.
Yay!
Shanmukh1608 said:
OnePlus officially stated in their AMA yesterday that the 5/5T builds will "eventually" be "synced" like they did with the 3/3T.
Yay!
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Yes they mentioned it here
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/join-our-oneplus-5t-ama-now.686679/page-12#post-17146475
Yeah, and look what else they mentioned.
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/join-our-oneplus-5t-ama-now.686679/page-9#post-17146313
No treble, just like I feared.
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Yeah, and look what else they mentioned.
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/join-our-oneplus-5t-ama-now.686679/page-9#post-17146313
No treble, just like I feared.
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That was always on the cards.
Thats already one feature OnePlus 6 will be having making it different from Op5t.
Start counting.
OnePlus is smart enough to not launch Op5t with Oreo or they could have delayed its released by 1 month and Launch with treble support.
Hello everyone,
As i am sure you're aware, Oneplus recently told the public that they weren't going to support project treble with their devices. This only concerns the oneplus 5t but maybe with a bit of luck and community support, they shall do the same for their other devices on oreo.
Let's hope this works!!
https://www.change.org/p/carl-pei-we...ail_responsive
And we have yet another thread for this ...
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It's dead. They will never give treble for actual devices. That already said that they just can't because treble need 2 data partitions and actual OnePlus devices have only one, they said an OTA update to make this is possible but there is a risk to brick the device so they cancelled treble development. Only OnePlus 6 and futures phones will include this.
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It's dead. They will never give treble for actual devices. That already said that they just can't because treble need 2 data partitions and actual OnePlus devices have only one, they said an OTA update to make this is possible but there is a risk to brick the device so they cancelled treble development. Only OnePlus 6 and futures phones will include this.
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They can live with about 10-15 threads asking for Treble from ppl without even understanding what is needed for it, but they don't wanna have 2395482 threads of ppl who killed their phone via OTA, seems legit for me.
Treble is nice and all, but TBH we're gonna be just fine without it. OnePlus devices are very popular in dev community and use very common internals so updating shouldn't be an issue. Just look at how far people brought the original Galaxy S, a phone that shipped with 2.1 Eclair! Treble is far more important for mid-range and low-end, less popular devices - the ones which usually get forgotten soon after launch.
Tl;dr: we'll survive. I'm sure OP3/T and 5/T will be among the first to get LineageOS 16 even without Treble.
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Oh come on they dont have a partition bro, may be there next devices will support it
Devices that don't have a separate Vendor partition will not have treble enabled. No need for any Petition etc
Until OnePlus ship a device with a vendor partition there won't be treble
Today, Redmi Note 4 received an unofficial port for Project Treble. Having recieved an official announcement that OxygenOS will not offer this for 3T or even 5T for that matter, community developers are our last hope. And after the awesome news about Note 4, reigniting fresh discussions seeking information on enthusiasm/ possibility/ status of any work being done in this direction by any of our developers.
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Today, Redmi Note 4 received an unofficial port for Project Treble. Having recieved an official announcement that OxygenOS will not offer this for 3T or even 5T for that matter, community developers are our last hope. And after the awesome news about Note 4, reigniting fresh discussions seeking information on enthusiasm/ possibility/ status of any work being done in this direction by any of our developers.
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3/3T is very unlikely as there doesn't seem to be any partition that isn't left unused, while on the 5/5T I'm hearing reports that there is some empty partitions that could be re-purposed, but I would wait for official developer response on that.
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3/3T is very unlikely as there doesn't seem to be any partition that isn't left unused, while on the 5/5T I'm hearing reports that there is some empty partitions that could be re-purposed, but I would wait for official developer response on that.
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You can partition phones to have any partition layout you want! A few older phones on XDA needed partitions changed because the newer android versions wouldn't fit.
I guess then safe repartitioning will hopefully be looked into as a serious and viable option coz the what Treble offers is immensely huge. And since a repartitioning based method will serve a wider range of phones, it becomes all the more meaningful to dedicate the efforts on it. But, as we know it's not as simple as a non-dev guy like me may make it sound and that developers do this in their spare time and don't get paid. So I guess we just wait and support such effort when it happens.
Not sure if Project Treble will be useful for our devices, since the well
1.) Project Treble is used for easier and quicker OTA updates from the OEM
2.) Project Treble can be great for devices that don't have it's Device Tree's/ Kernel Sources released, whereas our device has all those released.
The 3T has received it's complete cycle of OTA updates, and it has had it's Device Tree's released. There's no use for us getting Treble support.
I had a OP3 and a OP5 and after a turn with a Pixel 5, I'm looking to come back to OnePlus.
I see a ton of development for the OP Pro 9. When I clock on the Development filter for OP Pro 10, nothing comes up. Is this an XDA glitch or is there really no development for this device?
Because there is no published authentication for the MSM tool to bail you out from a bad custom ROM build. This is most likely NOT going to change. If you hard brick, only current option is to send back to OnePlus
Here's some similar topic discussion...
Why no custom ROMs yet?
Hello, I've been missing for quite a long time from XDA, but I'm about to get a new phone soon (maybe another OnePlus?) and I came here to check for new custom ROMs updates. But it seems I cannot find any custom ROM for the OnePlus 10 Pro (yet?)...
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@xboxfanj said "This year OnePlus does not send phones to developers". i m too new but still Unofficial aospa work in progress .stay tuned .
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Thanks all for the explanations. That is downright tragic. Maybe Nothing will ramp up in the future as a viable alternative. Sad. I went with a heavily discounted Pixel 6 Pro.