I don't like posting new threads but didn't find one relating to this.
So a few minutes ago I was using my device and needed to unlock it with my fingerprint. I accidentally used my left index finger and it unlocked my device. Problem is, that finger isn't registered to be used at all. Only my right index finger is registered.
Has anyone else experience this? I did it a second time on purpose to test again to see if I was hallucinating but it did work a second time. Now it's no longer doing it. ?
Maybe your index fingers have super similar prints? Haha
Honestly I'm not sure, I only have my left index finger registered and the others don't work.
Jammol said:
I don't like posting new threads but didn't find one relating to this.
So a few minutes ago I was using my device and needed to unlock it with my fingerprint. I accidentally used my left index finger and it unlocked my device. Problem is, that finger isn't registered to be used at all. Only my right index finger is registered.
Has anyone else experience this? I did it a second time on purpose to test again to see if I was hallucinating but it did work a second time. Now it's no longer doing it. ?
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Never experienced that. I am no expert but just taken a guess? Maybe fingerprints of a person are pretty similar to the other fingers. Idk maybe someone else could shine in who knows more about this?
Never experienced nothing like this. I actually had to register my other index on not right hand so I can unlock from both. Since it didn't work without registering my other finger.
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Jammol said:
I don't like posting new threads but didn't find one relating to this.
So a few minutes ago I was using my device and needed to unlock it with my fingerprint. I accidentally used my left index finger and it unlocked my device. Problem is, that finger isn't registered to be used at all. Only my right index finger is registered.
Has anyone else experience this? I did it a second time on purpose to test again to see if I was hallucinating but it did work a second time. Now it's no longer doing it. ?
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Ive experienced this witj my 6p at work. I cook and use it as a music player. If I leave enough of a grease print on the fingerprint reader. My co worker can unlock it. But after i wipe it clean he cant. So yeah, not very secure lol
Jammol said:
I don't like posting new threads but didn't find one relating to this.
So a few minutes ago I was using my device and needed to unlock it with my fingerprint. I accidentally used my left index finger and it unlocked my device. Problem is, that finger isn't registered to be used at all. Only my right index finger is registered.
Has anyone else experience this? I did it a second time on purpose to test again to see if I was hallucinating but it did work a second time. Now it's no longer doing it. ?
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Well (according to me) its quite correct.
You should be able to able to use
any finger to unlock it even if you
have only registered one finger.
Without getting to technical
As each person fingerprint is unique
fingerprint identification works on a certain
formula /points system( re identification)
So basic all your fingertips /prints,
followed /match
this unique pattern.
Etc.
I used to work in a law enforcement field where
i had to deal with fingerprints identification etc.
Don't want to go in detail.
So according to me, it's quite correct
If you registered only one finger you can /should
be able to use any other fingers.
Have to add,
i don't know how Samny
implemented fingerprint recognition, but
Overall any finger can /should unlock device.
willcor said:
Well (according to me) its quite correct.
You should be able to able to use
any finger to unlock it even if you
have only registered one finger.
Without getting to technical
As each person fingerprint is unique
fingerprint identification works on a certain
formula /points system( re identification)
So basic all your fingertips /prints,
followed /match
this unique pattern.
Etc.
I used to work in a law enforcement field where
i had to deal with fingerprints identification etc.
Don't want to go in detail.
So according to me, it's quite correct
If you registered only one finger you can /should
be able to use any other fingers.
Have to add,
i don't know how Samny
implemented fingerprint recognition, but
Overall any finger can /should unlock device.
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So each finger print is pretty close to eachother? Just not 100% but pretty close?
Nick216ohio said:
So each finger print is pretty close to eachother? Just not 100% but pretty close?
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I dont know about forensic science, but i have had four devices with fingerprint scanners now. I have never been able to use an unregistered finger to unlock, and I have tried. Tried again just now about 10 times. Only if dried grease from another finger is still present.
willcor said:
Well (according to me) its quite correct.
You should be able to able to use
any finger to unlock it even if you
have only registered one finger.
Without getting to technical
As each person fingerprint is unique
fingerprint identification works on a certain
formula /points system( re identification)
So basic all your fingertips /prints,
followed /match
this unique pattern.
Etc.
I used to work in a law enforcement field where
i had to deal with fingerprints identification etc.
Don't want to go in detail.
So according to me, it's quite correct
If you registered only one finger you can /should
be able to use any other fingers.
Have to add,
i don't know how Samny
implemented fingerprint recognition, but
Overall any finger can /should unlock device.
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They may be similar, but not close enough that you only have to register one print. And not all fingerprints from one individual are similar. If you've ever seen an NCIC printout with the finger print information, you know that each finger can have a different code, as there's one code for loops, one for swirls, etc...and just because one finger has loops, doesn't mean they all will.
Not sure where you're getting your information or law enforcement "experience" but my 15 years experience says you're dead wrong.
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Jammol said:
I don't like posting new threads but didn't find one relating to this.
So a few minutes ago I was using my device and needed to unlock it with my fingerprint. I accidentally used my left index finger and it unlocked my device. Problem is, that finger isn't registered to be used at all. Only my right index finger is registered.
Has anyone else experience this? I did it a second time on purpose to test again to see if I was hallucinating but it did work a second time. Now it's no longer doing it.
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Out of curiosity, do you have Iris scan set up?
Mr. Orange 645 said:
They may be similar, but not close enough that you only have to register one print. And not all fingerprints from one individual are similar. If you've ever seen an NCIC printout with the finger print information, you know that each finger can have a different code, as there's one code for loops, one for swirls, etc...and just because one finger has loops, doesn't mean they all will.
Not sure where you're getting your information or law enforcement "experience" but my 15 years experience says you're dead wrong.
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Out of curiosity, do you have Iris scan set up?
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Savage mode lmao
Mr. Orange 645 said:
They may be similar, but not close enough that you only have to register one print. And not all fingerprints from one individual are similar. If you've ever seen an NCIC printout with the finger print information, you know that each finger can have a different code, as there's one code for loops, one for swirls, etc...and just because one finger has loops, doesn't mean they all will.
Not sure where you're getting your information or law enforcement "experience" but my 15 years experience says you're dead wrong.
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Out of curiosity, do you have Iris scan set up?
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No other form of unlock setup. Just the one fingerprint with a passcode. I even thought maybe it was because of smart lock, but it is actually blocked by the Exchange Email permissions set by my work email I have on here.
I have my two index fingerprints registered, only these two can unlock the phone, as it should
If the FP reader is greasy with the exact clear enough "grease print" you unlocked with on a prior occasion, in theory then once pressure is applied from a different finger, the previous prints grease "may" unlock the phone if the required markers are intact on the greasy print and in the right place.
In theory.
Though this is VERY UNLIKELY / NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE in practice.
Test the theory...
get a greasy (the correct, clear, unsmudged) print on your reader (eat a bag of crisps or something), then put a tight fitting latex glove on then try unlocking using a different finger.(this wont add new grease) If it unlocks then this theory is correct.
Maybe.
N10AP said:
If the FP reader is greasy with the exact clear enough "grease print" you unlocked with on a prior occasion, in theory then once pressure is applied from a different finger, the previous prints grease "may" unlock the phone if the required markers are intact on the greasy print and in the right place.
In theory.
Though this is VERY UNLIKELY / NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE in practice.
Test the theory...
get a greasy (the correct, clear, unsmudged) print on your reader (eat a bag of crisps or something), then put a tight fitting latex glove on then try unlocking using a different finger.(this wont add new grease) If it unlocks then this theory is correct.
Maybe.
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Just tested and you are correct sir. I was eating Pringles when it happened and wiped my fingers off but I guess I didn't enough that time.
Related
I have just upgraded to WM5 by following
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM5_WizardPort_v1.3-TuMa
It all appears to be fine except my bluetooth connection disconnects whenever my BA powers down (e.g. after 1 min of inactivity). This obviously causes a problem with my BT headset.
I have read the FAQ's but cannot see anything about this. Is there a fix for this or have I done something wrong?
Thanks.
Did you try reading the thread on that subject?
No, could you point me in the right direction.....
No, could you point me in the right direction.....
Hum could be hard.....
Try this!!
Scroll up this topic to the first post (yours)
Click your mouse (its in your hand I hope) on the link of the How Too that you posted to open it.
Using your finger on the screen count to 4 (thats 1, 2, 3, 4) Giving a number to each line that you can see in that how too.
Don't skip a line or miss one.
On the 4th line use your finger to scan each word, moving from left to right.
(left is the side were your thumb is on the right side of your hand).
You are looking for the word "here" if you find it the use the mouse (which you might have to put back in your hand as you used your finger to scan the words) and click on it.
This should open the topic of the version of the rom that you upgaded.
I hope this was of help, if you need more help then please post a reply I am sure lots of other users would just love to help you.
Is today April 1st?
two things...
Your instructions are completely useless, maybe it's just your English - perhaps you should go back to school.....
Secondly, do you practice being a complete asshole or does it come naturally?
The instructions were Plain
I thought the instructions were very plain, they should lead you this this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=42632
Well it is isn't it? I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard. For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way. Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket. It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds. So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
You know - until I got your message I was happy with my tilt - but you have convinced me - You are right!
When I open a word document that is 207 pages long the keyboard on screen covers up a lot of what I can see. An an EXCEL spreadsheet - forget it - when there are over 100 rows and more than 40 columns - you can't see anything hardly.
And when you go to print - well - 'nuff siad there right?
And logging on to a remote computer - well - good grief - I am gonna send this piece of trash right back immediately. Only the iphone for me -man - with that HUGE screen I can see - well- not really much more - maybe if I did all this stuff on my computer I would be happier?
Bill
look9001 said:
Well it is isn't it? I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard. For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way. Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket. It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds. So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
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I hardly ever use the stylus, so I'd have to disagree. The touchpad works fairly well for me and I have very large hands. To each his own.
look9001 said:
Well it is isn't it? I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard. For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way. Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket. It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds. So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
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I'm sorry, I've been seeing more and more of these big blocks of text. And I'm not reading them.
Not to sound offensive but if you don't break up what you are saying into palatable paragraphs some people will figure it is too much work to read what you have to say.
BTW I think my touch screen works just fine. Though I'm not sure if thats what you are getting at becasue I only read the last sentance.
JimmyMcGee said:
I'm sorry, I've been seeing more and more of these big blocks of text. And I'm not reading them.
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+1 Jimmy
The return key is your friend.
JimmyMcGee said:
I'm sorry, I've been seeing more and more of these big blocks of text. And I'm not reading them.
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At least this one is using punctuation... that's progress.
JimmyMcGee said:
I'm sorry
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Apology accepted!
look9001 said:
Well it is isn't it?
I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard.
For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way.
Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket.
It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds.
So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
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Better?
michalex said:
I hardly ever use the stylus, so I'd have to disagree. The touchpad works fairly well for me and I have very large hands. To each his own.
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Of course YMMV and IMHO etc. But really, can you honestly type in numbers accurately at faster than approximately one per second on the touch screen?
look9001 said:
Apology accepted!
Better?
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You need to tab when beginning a new papgraph. Sorry I couldn't resist
However i find the touchscreen very user friendly, but that is in my opinion and the wat i use it. I use excel all the time.
look9001 said:
Apology accepted!
Better?
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Much
Also, If my Kaiser PDA phone didn't have a touchscreen, than it would be a smartphone.
The fact they original keyboard is terribly small it's true, that's why we have the hardware keyboard, I mean, why buy a Kaiser if you're not gonna use the keyboard? There's plenty other good SIPs like pocketcm, touchpal or even the HTC Touch keypad, which, with xt9 is awesome tbh.
The pin "part" is ofc true, but if you have programs loading at the boot, how can you expect to do it all at once, just wait 10 more seconds for the programs to load and then the pin can be entered.
The sunlight in the screen is indeed a big damn flaw, I can perfectly see my n80 at the sun, but the Kaiser is impossible to read, sometimes I can't even tell if the screen is on or off, cuz you just can't see a thing.
As for the screen "response", well mine works well, I play and type fairly much and I rarely have problems with it, I suggest messing with the "pressure threshold" settings, maybe you have it too high.
I believe I nearly went blind trying to read that rant. He does have a point, but the problems are a bit exagerated.
Why does this type of thread constantly come up? If you don't like the phone, return it, sell it or throw it away and buy one you like. This type of thread has nothing to do with XDA-Developers. Notice the word Developers in the name? Has this thread provided any useful information or has it just added to the mass of useless threads?
i like my touch screen and everything else about my tilt. Now where r those video drivers... (couldn't resist as this is the only flaw imo)
look9001 said:
Of course YMMV and IMHO etc. But really, can you honestly type in numbers accurately at faster than approximately one per second on the touch screen?
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Yes, for the most part I can.
Are you sure that chick at the supermarket lost her phone? Or was she discreetly giving you her phone number and you couldn't type it in? So much for a phone hampering your game.
Man the Kaiser forums are way more fun than the Polaris ones.
To be fair the Kaiser was not designed from the ground up to be finger friendly. Yeah they lack capacitive screens, but I didn't find the Hermes all that bad, neither is the Cruise. The Cruise is a bit better because it's flush, so touching the edges of the screen is much better.
I have no problems with my Touch Screen. With a few tweeks I have got it to a level that works well.
Id like to make a example. Its called consumer research. For instance, when you go to AT&T and are interested in purchasing a Cell Phone, What do you do? Well I for instance, use the product and see if I like it. Now when you go to AT&T you wouldn't just say give me a tilt because it looks cool, at least I would hope not. You use it, take it home and you have 30 days to return it.
There is really no reason why a thread like this should even exist. The kaiser/tilt is a very unique device. I could go on for 10 hours about it. To me the video driver situation is not a problem, i would however like it to respond quicker but I have become used to it, as i don't watch video on it. But this thread is about the touch screen, so out of respect to the originator of this thread ill stay on topic.
Hopefully all of you by now realize the difference between a Resistance and capacitance touch screen, to simplify the Iphone is capacitance the kaiser is a resistance. A resistive has a bunch of resistors under the screen and when pressure is applied the specific area the resistor shorts out making the screen realize the area of the screen to respond to. A capacitance touch screen responds to the biometrics (the electric current we all have in our bodies) so as you run your finger over one of these screens it follows, and is more accurate than a resistance screen.
So when you are at any local wireless store and try the difference between the two devices. Furthermore if your so unhappy with the device that you so decided to purchase then sell it, there is no reason to spend a bunch of money on a device that you are not happy with. I also believe (and again no disrespect to the author of this thread) many people that complain right off the bat about the GUI or the overall performance of this or any other device, is just jumping on a "bandwagon" without knowing all the technical details.
So if your unhappy, you have two options.
1. Keep the device and, tweak it, customize it and make it uniquely yours. and by doing so complimenting the "seniors" and "chiefs" for working so hard to DEVELOP the software to make it better.
2. Return it or sell it and do RESEARCH and buy a device/phone that you are happy with.
P.S. Many people work very hard here creating software to help you, the user. Post's like this can be very disrespectfull to the people that help you.
^^^ touche, i'm sick of reading "my kaiser suxx omg !!one" threads, enough with the *****ing already.
While we all appreciate that the OP is entitled to his own opinions, it's clear to me that the premise of this thread is not going to lead the forum anywhere except to yet another *****fest, which will eventually lead to closing this thread.
Why wait till then...
I dont file the pattern lock of the android very secure. There are only a limited number of combos you can do. Is there any other software that will allow me to lock my phone and require some kind of key combo/screen combo to unlock that is more secure?
Thanks!
how do you not find it secure? the "limited number of combinations" you speak of is ASTRONOMICAL. for the lowest number of connections possible (3 dots), you have 3^9 possibilities, or 19,683 possible combinations. not to mention you can have all 9 dots connected in whatever order you want. a rough calculation based on this brings us to a number in the BILLIONS of possible combinations.
this is basic math. the phone is secure as you want it to be if you're willing to take more than 1/2 a second to unlock your phone. try a 4 or 5 dot combination and unless you're using something VERY predictable, nobody will ever guess it.
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how do you not find it secure? the "limited number of combinations" you speak of is ASTRONOMICAL. for the lowest number of connections possible (3 dots), you have 3^9 possibilities, or 19,683 possible combinations. not to mention you can have all 9 dots connected in whatever order you want. a rough calculation based on this brings us to a number in the BILLIONS of possible combinations.
this is basic math. the phone is secure as you want it to be if you're willing to take more than 1/2 a second to unlock your phone. try a 4 or 5 dot combination and unless you're using something VERY predictable, nobody will ever guess it.
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Really? I tried to do more than 4 but for some reason it wouldnt let me do more. Let me check again...maybe I am doing something wrong.
yea, im an idiot....thanks
and the phone locks you out after a certain number of attempts requiring your gmail username/password to unlock.
matthenry87 said:
I find the locking screen kinda unsecure.. If you look close you can see the finger oil trail left when the phone was unlocked (if unlocked recently).
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unless the person who unlocked the phone did anything else on the screen, in which case, you cant tell. also, if your fingers are that oily that you're leaving streaks on the screen every time you use it, i might suggest washing them, perhaps for the first time in your life.
kusotare said:
how do you not find it secure? the "limited number of combinations" you speak of is ASTRONOMICAL. for the lowest number of connections possible (3 dots), you have 3^9 possibilities, or 19,683 possible combinations. not to mention you can have all 9 dots connected in whatever order you want. a rough calculation based on this brings us to a number in the BILLIONS of possible combinations.
this is basic math. the phone is secure as you want it to be if you're willing to take more than 1/2 a second to unlock your phone. try a 4 or 5 dot combination and unless you're using something VERY predictable, nobody will ever guess it.
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Since this is "basic math" as you put it, then it might help to actually get the math right.
I. A three-dot passkey on a 9-dot pad would have 9^3 possible entries (729), not 3^9.
II. Since you cannot choose the same dot twice, this is actually an example of permutation. The correct number of possible entries is 9Px, where x is the length of the passkey. For example, for a three-dot passkey, the number of possible entries is 9P3, or just 504 possible entries.
Now you know, and knowledge is.. you get the idea.
quite true, and i'm big enough to admit it.
even so, you still prove the same basic point. the total number of combinations someone could have would be the following:
3 dots+4 dots+5 dots+6 dots+7 dots+8 dots+9 dots
or
504+3024+15120+60480+181440+362880+362880
which adds up to a possible 986,328 possible lockscreen combinations. now, given a basic premise that you can do one combination every 2 seconds, and for every 10 tries you suffer a 2 minute delay (120 seconds) to reboot the phone and try again (doesnt really work that way, you have to safe mode it, but lets play with the logic here) and the very last combination tried is the one thats yours, it would take the following length of time:
2(986328)+120(986328/10[rounded down])=13776096 seconds.
this translates to 159 days, 10 hours, 41 minutes, 36 seconds.
of course, the opposite is also true, that they could get it right on the first guess, in which case it takes 2 seconds. But those are pretty long odds.
but as stated, when you get locked out, theres a second layer of security, which is your gmail name and password. so unless the person unlocking your phone knows a lot about you, but somehow cant figure out your lockscreen combo, they're pretty much SOL.
simply put, most people arent going to try and unlock your phone. they're going to visit a forum like this one, figure out how to wipe the phone (which doesnt require a password, although that might be a nice feature for cyanogen to build into his next recovery image), drop in a new memory card and then make their own password for their brand new phone. the only people you really have to be worried about is the people who are always around you, like girlfriends and wives and parents and such. but then again, hiding stuff on your cell phone from people like that is shady business anyway.
no matter the combination, just looking at the finger print trail and it's possible to unlock. i find it not very secure myself. many of my friends who pick up my phone after several tries following a my finger print trail were able to unlock. i wish there was a pin # style lock. even if there is finger prints, there isnt a connected dot trail from one to the next, so itll be a bit more secure.
kusotare said:
you still prove the same basic point.
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I think the above comments relating to grease/fingerprint streaks have merit too. I unlock my phone quite a few times a day. Now, I like to consider myself a pretty hygenic person. I wash my hands no less than, i'd estimate, a dozen times a day. Still, I can't help but see the faint (or sometimes not so faint) fingerprint streak of my passkey on the surface of the screen.
The design of the dot lock screen looks really nifty, but I can't help but feel it's actually not a very practical implementation. For example, a regular number pad screen would eliminate the fingerprint streak problem and the problem of being unable to move from one dot to another without "selecting" a dot that is located in between.
I got my Mi Mix from China/HK (not sure which) from NIS-store in November. The phone has been glorious with the exception of the fingerprint reader.
I enter my fingerprint, one finger, whether once or multiple times, the result is the same. Immediately afterwards it reads well, a couple of hours later it's hit and miss. Half a day later it will not read my fingerprint at all. I've flashed every ROM, BL unlocked, installed TWRP, rooted and installed EU ROM. Cleared cache, davik and user data. I used water and a soft cloth to wipe the fingerprint reader and washed my hands until they're raw.
To compare, I recently bought the US version of the Huawei Mate 9. This phone has lots of problems and is going back, but the fingerprint reader is 99% accurate.
1) Anyone else have this issue and how have you addressed? (I contacted the seller who supposedly, by default, offer a one year warrantly. I am dubious.
2) Anyone know of a repair shop, US or China/HK that might be able to repair this?
Any input is appreciated.
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I got my Mi Mix from China/HK (not sure which) from NIS-store in November. The phone has been glorious with the exception of the fingerprint reader.
I enter my fingerprint, one finger, whether once or multiple times, the result is the same. Immediately afterwards it reads well, a couple of hours later it's hit and miss. Half a day later it will not read my fingerprint at all. I've flashed every ROM, BL unlocked, installed TWRP, rooted and installed EU ROM. Cleared cache, davik and user data. I used water and a soft cloth to wipe the fingerprint reader and washed my hands until they're raw.
To compare, I recently bought the US version of the Huawei Mate 9. This phone has lots of problems and is going back, but the fingerprint reader is 99% accurate.
1) Anyone else have this issue and how have you addressed? (I contacted the seller who supposedly, by default, offer a one year warrantly. I am dubious.
2) Anyone know of a repair shop, US or China/HK that might be able to repair this?
Any input is appreciated.
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Have you been facing this issue since November or have you just noticed this recently?
Before you send it out for repair, have u tried registering multiple fingers other than just your index fingers?
Can you also ask a friend or someone close, to try the fingerprint sensor. This is very unlikely, but I've heard that some fingerprint sensors aren't capable of scanning every type of fingerprint. While some people have very clear pattern\ridges on their fingerprints, it may be faint for others.
This is why I am suggesting that you ask a friend to test the sensor. This way you can make sure that it is the sensor itself which is defective.
I appreciate your response.
This has been ongoing since I received the device. I've never been able to, reliably, use the fingerprint scanner and count on activating my phone without the real possibility of having to use my pin.
The Mate 9 is the only fingerprint reader that has consistently worked. My note (4 or 5?) just wouldn't do the job and my V20 is just flaky (I guess I'm the flaky one, with so many phones).
I'll start out, renewed, with other fingers, then, if nt successful, get my wife to try the fingerprint reader.
Anyone else have additional suggestions, or email of a repair shop?
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I appreciate your response.
This has been ongoing since I received the device. I've never been able to, reliably, use the fingerprint scanner and count on activating my phone without the real possibility of having to use my pin.
The Mate 9 is the only fingerprint reader that has consistently worked. My note (4 or 5?) just wouldn't do the job and my V20 is just flaky (I guess I'm the flaky one, with so many phones).
I'll start out, renewed, with other fingers, then, if nt successful, get my wife to try the fingerprint reader.
Anyone else have additional suggestions, or email of a repair shop?
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From what you say, it looks like the pattern of your fingerprint may be faint or hard to read compared to others. Because the other phones you mentioned like the Note 5 and V20 have really good fingerprint sensors. The Note 4 had a slow swipe-type sensor, so that has been a pain for me as well.
And the Mate 9 may have an excellent sensor or maybe its just the material on the surface of the Mate 9's sensor. Some glass sensors tend to attract even the slightest of moisture or sweat. I've noticed that the sensor of the Mix does this.
See if your partner's fingerprints work fine with the device. In that case, you can rule out that its a defective sensor.
And regarding repairs, I haven't seen any actual spares for the Mix due to the limited production of the device. So I doubt you'll find any repair shops that has parts to service the Mix.
Your best bet would be to send it to the seller for warranty.
Just so anyone interested will know, it's my faulty right index finger. After nearly 8 hrs using my left index finger and not a singe missed scan. I don't know what to think, except thanks to satishp for the insight and supportive words.
I had a problem in which my sensor crashed. I thought it was a hardware problem but a factory reset completely fixed the problem for me. If your device has ongoing issues across multiple ROMs, it is most likely a hardware caused issue.
audscott said:
Just so anyone interested will know, it's my faulty right index finger. After nearly 8 hrs using my left index finger and not a singe missed scan. I don't know what to think, except thanks to satishp for the insight and supportive words.
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Glad that I could be of help. Its good to know that the sensor isn't defective and you don't have to send it for warranty anymore. It would have been a hassle to ship your phone to China and not knowing when\if the seller would send it back.
Cheers!
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Hello, I'm a junior member here, I learned a lot from XDA as I read many threads but only have posted a bit.
My Note5 has been showing touchscreen malfunctions for a while, nowadays I'm using the S-pen. The first time I realized I tried to wipe the cache, and it didn't work. I booted into safe mode but it didn't fix it. I realized it was a hardware related thing. Then I tried to remove the screen protector, it did work, but not much later it happened again. I cleaned my screen and it worked (and start malfunctioning again minutes later).
I concluded that the oil from my finger was the problem, but unlike any other phones I've had, the touch begins to malfunction just because of a very tiny amount of grease build up.
(for example, if there's a small build up on the 'A' key on the keyboard, whenever I touch other areas, the 'A' key will also recieve touch input.)
I think tuning the touch sensitivity will help. So I asked for help here.
Was my conclusion wrong or is there any solution that requires no rooting?
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Hello, I'm a junior member here, I learned a lot from XDA as I read many threads but only have posted a bit.
My Note5 has been showing touchscreen malfunctions for a while, nowadays I'm using the S-pen. The first time I realized I tried to wipe the cache, and it didn't work. I booted into safe mode but it didn't fix it. I realized it was a hardware related thing. Then I tried to remove the screen protector, it did work, but not much later it happened again. I cleaned my screen and it worked (and start malfunctioning again minutes later).
I concluded that the oil from my finger was the problem, but unlike any other phones I've had, the touch begins to malfunction just because of a very tiny amount of grease build up.
(for example, if there's a small build up on the 'A' key on the keyboard, whenever I touch other areas, the 'A' key will also recieve touch input.)
I think tuning the touch sensitivity will help. So I asked for help here.
Was my conclusion wrong or is there any solution that requires no rooting?
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Type *#2663# on your phone. And press "TOUCH KEY FW UPDATE".
iminer said:
Type *#2663# on your phone. And press "TOUCH KEY FW UPDATE".
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Nice, it works! But may I know why did it happen? Perhaps I can prevent it in the future. What happened?
(Update) The screen malfunctioned again. I tried to update the touchscreen firmware again and nothing happened. I was thinking wether flashing a custom kernel and ROM would fix this or not, should I?
Replace the phone, could be the screen or the motherboard. Don't bother fixing it.
cachanilla86 said:
Replace the phone, could be the screen or the motherboard. Don't bother fixing it.
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The weird part is it does work perfectly sometimes but most other time, it doesn't. I'm going to do a factory reset tonight to see if it works or not, or to decide wether I should flash a new ROM or not.
In my place here, a nearby retail store is willing to buy my Note5 for around $130, pretty sad to know. I love the S-pen but can't afford the Note 9 nor the Note 8. Should I buy a Samsung tablet with an S-pen instead?(it's currently on 25% discount).
Update: Is it a coincidence if the touch is problematic during heavy task (e.g. multitasking, running demanding apps, or playing games) and working fine during standby or light tasks?