[Amazon Fire 7 7th gen] Root via Adb and Fastboot? - Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting
Hi, I am just making sure that rooting via ADB and Fastboot on Fire 7 7th gen has been tried and has be said failed. Or am I just missing something? Thanks!
dro3m said:
Hi, I am just making sure that rooting via ADB and Fastboot on Fire 7 7th gen has been tried and has be said failed. Or am I just missing something? Thanks!
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JakeTse said:
So have you tried rooting the Amazon Fire tablet with other rooting apps? I am not sure that it is ADB's problem, but it is worth a try.
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Then obstacles 'blocking' root access are well understood. Highlights:
- no known (exploitable) vulnerabilities in FireOS 5.3.2.1 and above
- locked bootloader restricts access to recovery and system partitions
- crippled fastboot environment; most commands don't work
- signed and partially encrypted bootloader
Basically Amazon is using the same approach to secure their device as some of the major carriers (eg: Verizon) which is time proven and effective. A sloppy rollout of early 5th gen devices left some doors open; those are now closed. It would seem the same thing happened with the recent HD 10 refresh which uses a different architecture. In contrast, the 32-bit hardware platform used in the 7th gen Fire 7 is mature and well understood.
Is it possible a new vulnerability will be discovered? Sure. Is it likely given the considerable efforts of Google, Amazon and other 'majors' to harden Android and underlying firmware? Will leave that for others to ponder.
Davey126 said:
Then obstacles 'blocking' root access are well understood. Highlights:
- no known (exploitable) vulnerabilities in FireOS 5.3.2.1 and above
- locked bootloader restricts access to recovery and system partitions
- crippled fastboot environment; most commands don't work
- signed and partially encrypted bootloader
Basically Amazon is using the same approach to secure their device as some of the major carriers (eg: Verizon) which is time proven and effective. A sloppy rollout of early 5th gen devices left some doors open; those are now closed. It would seem the same thing happened with the recent HD 10 refresh which uses a different architecture. In contrast, the 32-bit hardware platform used in the 7th gen Fire 7 is mature and well understood.
Is it possible a new vulnerability will be discovered? Sure. Is it likely given the considerable efforts of Google, Amazon and other 'majors' to harden Android and underlying firmware? Will leave that for others to ponder.
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Thanks for letting me know, I just hate all those patches and bloatware because they take up so mush space. Now I can't even uninstall the bloatware, they just reinstall themselves even with no internet. I also don't like the launcher. The layout is dumb had it's full of ads. I just don't understand why they have to make Android unrootable. Makes no sense.
dro3m said:
Thanks for letting me know, I just hate all those patches and bloatware because they take up so mush space. Now I can't even uninstall the bloatware, they just reinstall themselves even with no internet. I also don't like the launcher. The layout is dumb had it's full of ads. I just don't understand why they have to make Android unrootable. Makes no sense.
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Makes perfect sense as Fire devices are designed, marketed and sold as captive portals to Amazon's vast ecosystem. They are not intended to be generic Android devices that you can customize to your liking.
Davey126 said:
Makes perfect sense as Fire devices are designed, marketed and sold as captive portals to Amazon's vast ecosystem. They are not intended to be generic Android devices that you can customize to your liking.
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I have to say, but they should put back key Android features like custom launcher and better Google Apps support.
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dro3m said:
I have to say, but they should put back key Android features like custom launcher and better Google Apps support.
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Why? How does that serve Amazon's business model? There are many generic Android tablets on the market if you want those capabilities/features.
Davey126 said:
Then obstacles 'blocking' root access are well understood. Highlights:
- no known (exploitable) vulnerabilities in FireOS 5.3.2.1 and above
- locked bootloader restricts access to recovery and system partitions
- crippled fastboot environment; most commands don't work
- signed and partially encrypted bootloader
Basically Amazon is using the same approach to secure their device as some of the major carriers (eg: Verizon) which is time proven and effective. A sloppy rollout of early 5th gen devices left some doors open; those are now closed. It would seem the same thing happened with the recent HD 10 refresh which uses a different architecture. In contrast, the 32-bit hardware platform used in the 7th gen Fire 7 is mature and well understood.
Is it possible a new vulnerability will be discovered? Sure. Is it likely given the considerable efforts of Google, Amazon and other 'majors' to harden Android and underlying firmware? Will leave that for others to ponder.
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Something weird is going on in regards to the HD 10. Looks like a dirty cow root and the method I'm using to modify (fix) the framework, is one I found on XDA from 2013 if I recall correctly. It's almost like it's the good old days when everything could be rooted. After all, it takes KingoRoot less than a minute, maybe 45 seconds. Last time I saw a privelage escalation that quick was right about 2014 or 15. Not long before DC was patched. So is Amazon refreshing their tablets with old software and hardware?
DragonFire1024 said:
Something weird is going on in regards to the HD 10. Looks like a dirty cow root and the method I'm using to modify (fix) the framework, is one I found on XDA from 2013 if I recall correctly. It's almost like it's the good old days when everything could be rooted. After all, it takes KingoRoot less than a minute, maybe 45 seconds. Last time I saw a privelage escalation that quick was right about 2014 or 15. Not long before DC was patched. So is Amazon refreshing their tablets with old software and hardware?
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Hm, well I do here that theuare going to update their tablets to Android 7.1. That could leave some doors open.
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Davey126 said:
Why? How does that serve Amazon's business model? There are many generic Android tablets on the market if you want those capabilities/features.
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Yea, I know. But people are trying to bypass that and Amazon is trying to patch it, which takes up space. A 8GB model only has about 5.56GB of usable space. Their are also a crap ton of Amazon Apps. They should at least conbain them so they don't take up so much space. And those generic Android tablets a junk. At least the on it the $50 price range. The only good one is the RCA tablet you can get a Walmart. The worst one I ever used is a Digiland I bought at Best buy.
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dro3m said:
Yea, I know. But people are trying to bypass that and Amazon is trying to patch it, which takes up space. A 8GB model only has about 5.56GB of usable space. Their are also a crap ton of Amazon Apps. They should at least conbain them so they don't take up so much space. And those generic Android tablets a junk. At least the on it the $50 price range. The only good one is the RCA tablet you can get a Walmart. The worst one I ever used is a Digiland I bought at Best buy.
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None of that serves as justification for change. What more space? Update to the 16 GB model or HD 8. Don't like Amazon apps? Buy a different device. Amazon is a business they derives revenue from the sale of products/services, not the sale of tablets. Fire and Kindle gizmos are designed to feed that machine. Catering to a competitor doesn't really work.
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DragonFire1024 said:
Something weird is going on in regards to the HD 10. Looks like a dirty cow root and the method I'm using to modify (fix) the framework, is one I found on XDA from 2013 if I recall correctly. It's almost like it's the good old days when everything could be rooted. After all, it takes KingoRoot less than a minute, maybe 45 seconds. Last time I saw a privelage escalation that quick was right about 2014 or 15. Not long before DC was patched. So is Amazon refreshing their tablets with old software and hardware?
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HD 10 uses a different (64-bit) architecture which likely utilizes rewritten or 3rd party code that has not been fully vetted. Take advantages of the vulnerabilities now as Amazon is likely working on patches. Same thing happened on 2nd, 3rd and some 5th gen devices when first introduced.
Davey126 said:
None of that serves as justification for change. What more space? Update to the 16 GB model or HD 8. Don't like Amazon apps? Buy a different device. Amazon is a business they derives revenue of the sale of products/services, not the sale of tablets. Fire and Kindle gizmos are designed to feed that machine. Catering to a competitor doesn't really work.
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HD 10 uses a different (64-bit) architecture which likely utilizes rewritten or 3rd party code that has not been fully vetted. Take advantages of the vulnerabilities now as Amazon is likely working on patches. Same thing happened on 2nd, 3rd and some 5th gen devices when first introduced.
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It's given me the chance to do a lot of research and experiments. The amount of stuff I got and am getting working now in the last two weeks is staggering. FireOS isn't so bad, once you are able to lift nearly all restrictions.
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DragonFire1024 said:
It's given me the chance to do a lot of research and experiments. The amount of stuff I got and am getting working now in the last two weeks is staggering. FireOS isn't so bad, once you are able to lift nearly all restrictions.
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What kind of restrictions?
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Davey126 said:
None of that serves as justification for change. What more space? Update to the 16 GB model or HD 8. Don't like Amazon apps? Buy a different device. Amazon is a business they derives revenue of the sale of products/services, not the sale of tablets. Fire and Kindle gizmos are designed to feed that machine. Catering to a competitor doesn't really work.
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HD 10 uses a different (64-bit) architecture which likely utilizes rewritten or 3rd party code that has not been fully vetted. Take advantages of the vulnerabilities now as Amazon is likely working on patches. Same thing happened on 2nd, 3rd and some 5th gen devices when first introduced.
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Come on! I just a middle school nerd. I don't have no job, although, I want to get so I can get a Asus Zenfone 5z
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dro3m said:
What kind of restrictions?
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Getting ready to make a thread now for example, wifi optimization. Not sure what Amazon was thinking in restricting that but I enabled dual band support, allowed wifi to scan whenever it's down, unless turned off. I have the daydream screen saver fully operational, colors included. That's just some of the things.
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DragonFire1024 said:
Getting ready to make a thread now for example, wifi optimization. Not sure what Amazon was thinking in restricting that but I enabled dual band support, allowed wifi to scan whenever it's down, unless turned off. I have the daydream screen saver fully operational, colors included. That's just some of the things.
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You have any guide of how to do that?
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DragonFire1024 said:
Getting ready to make a thread now for example, wifi optimization. Not sure what Amazon was thinking in restricting that but I enabled dual band support, allowed wifi to scan whenever it's down, unless turned off. I have the daydream screen saver fully operational, colors included. That's just some of the things.
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WiFi scanning is a huge battery suck with marginal benefits; most disable it once becoming aware of the tradeoff. Not sure why dual band support is disabled on your 7th gen. Could be the channels your AP is using if the Fire WiFi 'chip' doesn't support DFS.
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WiFi scanning is a huge battery suck with marginal benefits; most disable it once becoming aware of the tradeoff. Not sure why dual band support is disabled on your 7th gen. Could be the channels your AP is using if the Fire WiFi 'chip' doesn't support DFS.
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The setting was blocked. The support is there, but wasn't available to toggle. If there is a drain, it's very little. Maybe we aren't talking about the same thing. I'll post findings later. I had a minor setback
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Davey126 said:
Makes perfect sense as Fire devices are designed, marketed and sold as captive portals to Amazon's vast ecosystem. They are not intended to be generic Android devices that you can customize to your liking.
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So Amazon's "vast ecosystem" is not that well patrolled and does not have near the functionality of the regular play story. There are apps on the Amazon Eco system that are utter rubbish (like the early days of the google play store) the difference is that there is not a good policing system to get rid of the rubbish or instinctive the devs to list the apps for the correct categories. Amazon's eco system is rip for phising and scam artists to get to older people who buy devices like this. I am one of the those people who clean up the malware, phising, and crap that filters in from an unmaintained eco system.
First a lock device is always like a challenge. There has to be a way in. Second. There are so many of us out here that major manufacturers should know by know that it only takes a little time for anyone to unlock or break a devices.
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So Amazon's "vast ecosystem" is not that well patrolled and does not have near the functionality of the regular play story. There are apps on the Amazon Eco system that are utter rubbish (like the early days of the google play store) the difference is that there is not a good policing system to get rid of the rubbish or instinctive the devs to list the apps for the correct categories. Amazon's eco system is rip for phising and scam artists to get to older people who buy devices like this. I am one of the those people who clean up the malware, phising, and crap that filters in from an unmaintained eco system.
First a lock device is always like a challenge. There has to be a way in. Second. There are so many of us out here that major manufacturers should know by know that it only takes a little time for anyone to unlock or break a devices.
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Concur on the state of Amazon's app store recognizing it is just a small corner of the full ecosystem. Unlikely to get substantially better given limited revenue potential. Falls into the 'good enough' box where Amazon excels.
As for device lock-downs Amazon has a pretty good track record. It's really not that hard with proper emphasis and code management. The sloppy past is not likely to widely repeat itself going forward. Not saying it will be absolute but no low hanging fruit where the vast majority of prior vulnerabilities reside.
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Concur on the state of Amazon's app store recognizing it is just a small corner of the full ecosystem. Unlikely to get substantially better given limited revenue potential. Falls into the 'good enough' box where Amazon excels.
As for device lock-downs Amazon has a pretty good track record. It's really not that hard with proper emphasis and code management. The sloppy past is not likely to widely repeat itself going forward. Not saying it will be absolute but no low hanging fruit where the vast majority of prior vulnerabilities reside.
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I'm convinced there's a way and i think we're closer than we were 2 weeks ago at unlocking these things. I've noticed a few things here and there. I remember one thing you said to me way back when...about replacing the ecosystem piece by piece. Almost all I've done with the framework and settings and various other things, it seems Amazon just pushed Android out of the way, rather than create their own "os". I'm simply undoing their pushings and replacing it with the Android code, which by the way, in most cases, they don't delete. If they did that with the system, it's possible they did that in the other partitions. Unfortunately, I haven't even glanced at most of the other partitions. Mostly because it's a whole nother level.
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[Q] Should I buy Kindle Fire HD?
It seems that Kindle Fire HD is the best Android tablet at this moment. I was hoping purchase a kindle fire HD, while travelling to US. Now, I am having second thoughts. I am from India and Amazon marketplace for Android is not available here. So, the only hope for me to completely utilize the Kindle Fire HD is to flash it with a custom/vanilla ROM. However, based on the comments here and in the developers section, it seems Kindle fire HD is completely locked down and I have not seen any custom ROM yet. Will custom ROMs show up any time soon? What is your opinion on this purchase?
brkumar said: It seems that Kindle Fire HD is the best Android tablet at this moment. I was hoping purchase a kindle fire HD, while travelling to US. Now, I am having second thoughts. I am from India and Amazon marketplace for Android is not available here. So, the only hope for me to completely utilize the Kindle Fire HD is to flash it with a custom/vanilla ROM. However, based on the comments here and in the developers section, it seems Kindle fire HD is completely locked down and I have not seen any custom ROM yet. Will custom ROMs show up any time soon? What is your opinion on this purchase? Click to expand... Click to collapse There are always alternative app markets out there (I dont know any off my head at the moment.) The Kindle fire speakers, Display in my opinion make the FIre better then the Nexus. But the nexus is more advanced in rom stages already. So if you don't wanna wait, go with the lesser of devices, and don't buy something hoping it gets roms really fast. It could still be awhile. But I perfer the KFHD if your willing to wait it out, and just have fun with it as it is.
iMJets said: There are always alternative app markets out there (I dont know any off my head at the moment.) The Kindle fire speakers, Display in my opinion make the FIre better then the Nexus. But the nexus is more advanced in rom stages already. So if you don't wanna wait, go with the lesser of devices, and don't buy something hoping it gets roms really fast. It could still be awhile. But I perfer the KFHD if your willing to wait it out, and just have fun with it as it is. Click to expand... Click to collapse I agree, you don't want to buy something hoping for developer support that doesn't exist. With no Amazon Video Prime available in India the Nexus is a better fit.
danscxda said: I agree, you don't want to buy something hoping for developer support that doesn't exist. With no Amazon Video Prime available in India the Nexus is a better fit. Click to expand... Click to collapse Completely agree. Having the Google Play store on your device isn't that difficult, but you will learn that many of the apps refuse to install so you have to side load most of them. If you can't access any of the Amazon content, there is little value in the Kindle over the Nexus.
I would not purchase the KFHD in dreams of getting a custom rom. I pre-ordered mine knowing what I was getting into but I hated it, even after rooting and running gapps, to an extent. The KFHD is nothing but a gimped version of android and won't be where I like it until the bootloader is unlocked and custom roms made, similar to what you are wishing. The KFHD traffic on android forums are SLOW. I returned my KFHD for a Nexus 7 and I loved it the second I took it out of the box. The only reason I'd keep the KFHD is if I had amazon prime and loved their ecosystem, except I don't. I do have to say, I loved the hardware, it was great. Screen is colorful, vibrant and the sound was fantastic but that was it. The software killed the device for me. I have not seen any updates on bootloader status, so it could either be tomorrow, six months, a year or never. I wouldn't bank on it. I wasn't happy and wanted a fully functional device which I got in the Nexus.
I have had the KFHD for a couple days. I have to say I like my OG Fire better. I also have a Nexus 7. I am probably returning the KFHD. It is too locked up for me. IT also ticked me off when I pulled it out of the box and saw the ads on the lockscreen. The suggested apps instead of my favorite apps on the home page also made me mad. Also the lack of a native camera app. There is a hidden system camera app but you can't add it to favorites. At least someone made a app so the Nexus 7 can use its native camera app. Stick with the N7 for now. There is a update for the KFHD but I do not know when. I was talking to a Amazon rep and they said it will be soon.
alkemist80 said: The only reason I'd keep the KFHD is if I had amazon prime and loved their ecosystem, except I don't. Click to expand... Click to collapse I am in India and I thought the same when I started handling the KFHD... However, after rooting and getting my favorite apps on (dolphin, gapps, mxplayer, etc, am pretty happy with it.. I know a nexus would be better(open vvs locked, more compatible apps) but for $50 for the 16g and better speakers, I will stick with the KFHD. Also it gives me a chance to display my "hacking" skills... Lol... Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium
I bought Kindle Fire HD for what it is: Best Speakers in class Best Wi-Fi in class Best format and weight for one-handed handling Best Video Conference device (combination of excellent quality front camera, very good microphone, clear and loud speakers, bright screen) Best tablet for Amazon Prime users Amazon App Market is very good, not as diverse as Google Play, of course, but most of top games and content consumption apps are there. Now I only need to add Google Music and Youtube and I'll be all set. Rest of Google Apps are better fit for location aware devices, like smartphones. The Kinfle Fire HD to me is a home companion device, not a road warrior. I can now finally stream Amazom Prime video in HD resolution ~ 100 yards away from my router at the edge of the property outside and still see and hear everything perfect without constant caching. No other tablet can even pretend to be able to do this. I still have my Google Galaxy Nexus phone for all custom ROMs and customizations till the cows come home. P.S. Oh, and I don't mind special offers that Amazon puts on this device. Who can refuse freebies like $10 Gift card or $3 in Amazon Music? Many offers are Amazon Store specific and once you realize that Amazon is already the best eCommerce site in US with best variety, lowest prices, fastest shipping and best product review system, this is like a cherry on your pudding.
I'll put my two cents here. I'll summarize my feelings after owning a Kindle Fire HD for a week. Pros: Great Sound (Dolby audio) One of the best 7" displays out there Amazon Prime benefits including discounts on books, videos, and music. Descent specifications (1GB RAM, 16GB, and 720p) Competitively Priced $199 US Cons: Clumsy Launcher and ROM compared to stock Android: "Carousel" likes to reload apps you don't want after reboots Carousel is a bit large and obnoxious No changing wallpapers or any other UI elements Opt-out of Ads is $15 (without Root) Amazon's App Store isn't nearly as large as Google Play (50,000 vs 500,000) Locked Bootloader = no custom ROMs anytime soon (most likely not in 2012, but I'm still optimistic) Limited Development/Support currently (Note: it's only a month old right now) I would give it 85/100 right now. With that said, this is a great device. The major limitation right now is the software, Amazon goofed up there. Rooting opens up a lot of doors for this device e.g. Play Store, non-stock Launchers, and permission capabilities. Though everyone needs to be careful about this because there is no backup/restore mechanism for potential mistakes. Summary I'm hopeful that future developments for this device are more promising than the current environment. I don't want to discourage anyone about getting this device if you like or use Amazon's stuff like Kindle, Prime, or other services. But I think if you are looking here (XDA) you probably want something stock or not locked down like the Nexus 7 if you want to tweak to your hearts content.
Hello . Will rooting the KFHD will allow us to buy ebooks at later point of time thru amazon services. i may be interested as a android tablet which will allow freedom to user on downloading apps and games and also to read ebooks. will rooting would help . if so i can think of buying one. please let me know.
Yes, even on a rooted KFHD you can buy and read amazon ebooks. Or you can use another source for paid or free books! Sent from my KFTT using xda app-developers app
If you want great sound for games and movies yes not to forget about the great screen it has trust me its worth getting Im using mine right now Sent from my KFTT using xda premium
Kindle Fire HD vs ? brkumar said: It seems that Kindle Fire HD is the best Android tablet at this moment. I was hoping purchase a kindle fire HD, while travelling to US. Now, I am having second thoughts. I am from India and Amazon marketplace for Android is not available here. So, the only hope for me to completely utilize the Kindle Fire HD is to flash it with a custom/vanilla ROM. However, based on the comments here and in the developers section, it seems Kindle fire HD is completely locked down and I have not seen any custom ROM yet. Will custom ROMs show up any time soon? What is your opinion on this purchase? Click to expand... Click to collapse brkumar, Really the answer is a mixed bag as you are seeing with the responses. As a developer, we like the Kindle Fire HD 7" since everything has been a challenge. We have successfully piped over Jelly Bean on the Fire HD but it was by no means easy and Buggy, well let's just say we need another year. Then you have to ask yourself, is the time better spent on the Asus Transformer, Nexus 7 or 10? The quick answer is yes, the long term answer is probably no. Really, the Kindle Fire HD 7" is a great piece of hardware and it is based on a solid TI Chipset OMAP4460. I have found the sound to be better than the Nexus 7, the screen clarity is not bad either. We run HD Videos on the Kindle Fire HD 7" and really notice that Dolby is running, very nice audio. The Kindle Fire HD 7" also "feels" solid in the hand. The Kindle is responsive and is quite smooth when transitioning from application to application. They did a great job on the screen outdoor glare is almost non-existent. The unit is sturdy, we have dropped it several times without damage. Finally at $199, not bad. Amazon Store is nothing to highlight, so you are not missing out. Just Root the device and install Google Play, you will have plenty of options. My complaints are a few. The mini output jack does not support a mic. The volume up and down keys feel flimsy with little tactile feedback. No rear facing Camera. You have to buy a charger, they do not include one. Most of the VoIP applications seem to have a problem with internal Mic, although Skype does work. These are my personal opinions, so take it as just this, a XDA User opinion. That is my ten cents. Oh by the way, we do own 12 other tablets, so we have been able to do a side by side comparison.
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Kindle Fire HD 7" Pro's and Con's gitlygit said: Thanks for the information, much appreciated! Sent from my GT-N8010 using xda premium Click to expand... Click to collapse gitlygit, So are you going to get one and add to the ever growing XDA Kindle Community? We would love to have you here adding to this wonderful community! Keep us posted.
What will I lose if I root or room the kindle fire
What will I lose if I root or room the kindle fire? Will I lose borrowing books, videos or even my account prime in amazon
Android rooting is the process of allowing users of smartphones, tablets, and other devices running the Android mobile operating system to attain privileged control (known as "root access") within Android's subsystem. Rooting is often performed with the goal of overcoming limitations that carriers and hardware manufacturers put on some devices, resulting in the ability to alter or replace system applications and settings, run specialized apps that require administrator-level permissions, or perform other operations that are otherwise inaccessible to a normal Android user. Rooting is analogous to jailbreaking devices running the Apple iOS operating system. On Android, rooting can also facilitate the complete removal and replacement of the device's operating system, usually with a more recent release of its current operating system. Sent from my Stock Htc evo 4g ---------- Post added at 01:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:57 AM ---------- Information was provided via wikipedia.com/android_rooting You shouldn't lose any of that if you root. Rooting just opens doors for you. I hope this helps Sent from my Stock Htc evo 4g
What I meant is that Can I still allowable to borrow books or videos from amazon with my prime account or I'll lose this functionality?
fedail said: What I meant is that Can I still allowable to borrow books or videos from amazon with my prime account or I'll lose this functionality? Click to expand... Click to collapse No you will still have that functionality. It only provides you with "Admin Rights" on your kindle Fire HD 7''. So you should be fine with your Prime and such. I know mine is.
Root vs Rom fedail said: What I meant is that Can I still allowable to borrow books or videos from amazon with my prime account or I'll lose this functionality? Click to expand... Click to collapse If you root, you'll still have all the Amazon Prime goodness. Now, if you install a custom ROM (not sure if any are available yet for the KFHD), you MIGHT lose Amazon Prime - it depends on what the Dev does. I'm pretty sure that the Amazon app found on other devices does NOT let you watch Prime Video (I could be wrong about that though). I have mine rooted and have installed ADW EX on it. At this point, I basically have a "stock" ICS tablet when I hit the home button (it takes me to the ADW launcher). When I run the Amazon launcher app, it launches the carousel you're familiar with that has all of the Amazon stuff on it. With my set up, I don't really see the need for a custom ROM as I use the Amazon ecosystem for a fair amount of stuff - my use is probably around 60% tablet apps (under ADW) and 40% Amazon (Prime video mainly). IMHO, if you want a stock tablet, you're better off going with Nexus 7. But it's entirely up to the end user - that's the beauty of Android!
[Q] What can't I do with this device in various states?
I recently was gifted a Kindle fire hd 7". I have a little experience in rooting and flashing OS's from an HTC tilt from maybe 5 or 6 years ago. I'm wondering what I can't do with my device in it's previous states, as in, what am I missing out on? So for Stock, Rooted, and I'm not familiar with what the choices are from their but I assume a small(or large?) variety of both homebrew and corporate OS's(like running windows on it) that people have tailored for this device. There is a wealth of knowledge on this site for how to do these things but I want to be more familiar with what I can do with all of the different states. Also, what are the limitations of Amazon's(or is it amazon's?) OS? It seems that even though it was open source this is a protected OS lacking a lot of customization not much different from an Apple OS. Thanks in advance.
Locked kfhd is like a bigwheel. Rooted kfhd is like a Harley. I got mine as a gift too and when I first turned it on, I was disgusted by the ugly presentation of the launcher. Then I didn't like how much crap was funneling through Amazon for a price. I knew within 5 minutes of owning it that I would be looking to root it. Now, I have go launcher on here and it works great. Waiting for cm10.
Krsmqn said: ...I knew within 5 minutes of owning it that I would be looking to root it. Now, I have go launcher on here and it works great. Waiting for cm10. Click to expand... Click to collapse Literally rooted mine right out of the box. Never knew what true "stock" felt like, but I don't think I missed much.
Poor launcher, but most importantly google play store... If you dont mind acquiring the apks and side loading them all and the carousel wheel, really all you lose out on is root ability thus far ive only needed that for google apps, launchers and the moga app...root gives you the ability to disable updates and ads... Sent from my KFTT using xda app-developers app
Can some one help me figure if possible to put linux on this tablet?
I own a 5th generation fire tablet. If specs are required I'll be happy to share them. I got this tablet on a crazy deal for $10.00 USD. I bought it for ****s and giggles and to tinker with it. I recently charged it up again trying to find a use for it but all the app in the Amazon store are total **** and I dont play any of them further more. Its littered with adds to buy stuff. I been using it literally as a paper weight for a book I have been reading. I am knowledgeable in rooting and moding by tinkering with my older phones. I want to know how if at all, is it possible to just get rid of Fire OS for some version of linux. Please help me if you know how thank you.
Linux? No, I don't believe there are versions of Linux you can install on the Fire. If your device hasn't upgraded to a version of the OS newer than FireOS 5.3.1 (I believe it is), you can root it and then follow one of the guides here to install LineageOS or the NexusRom for a more stock Android experience. If you can't root and flash a custom rom, you can still follow the guides here to install the Google Play store at the very least to get a much wider array of apps you can install. You can also follow the debloat guides to disable and replace a lot of the Amazon apps and launcher, to get a better android tablet experience. But linux, no. Not that I am aware of.
Rbohannon89 said: I own a 5th generation fire tablet. If specs are required I'll be happy to share them. I got this tablet on a crazy deal for $10.00 USD. I bought it for ****s and giggles and to tinker with it. I recently charged it up again trying to find a use for it but all the app in the Amazon store are total **** and I dont play any of them further more. Its littered with adds to buy stuff. I been using it literally as a paper weight for a book I have been reading. I am knowledgeable in rooting and moding by tinkering with my older phones. I want to know how if at all, is it possible to just get rid of Fire OS for some version of linux. Please help me if you know how thank you. Click to expand... Click to collapse Nope. Bootloader is locked with no ability to boot or install a custom recovery. Highly unlikely your device can be rooted or downgraded/debloated. You are pretty much 'stuck' with a captive portal to Amazon's ecosystem. However, you can install the Google Play Store and related services for access to additional apps w/o sideloading. Keep in mind the modest hardware specs; this device is designed for content consumption and light entertainment vs any kind of hard core gaming. Not to mention buying stuff from Amazon.
Davey126 said: Nope. Bootloader is locked with no ability to boot or install a custom recovery. Highly unlikely your device can be rooted or downgraded/debloated. You are pretty much 'stuck' with a captive portal to Amazon's ecosystem. However, you can install the Google Play Store and related services for access to additional apps w/o sideloading. Keep in mind the modest hardware specs; this device is designed for content consumption and light entertainment vs any kind of hard core gaming. Not to mention buying stuff from Amazon. Click to expand... Click to collapse Thank you for your response. I unfortunately had a feeling this is the exact case. I have found a thread with apk file to get google play on my fire tablet. So that is a thing I suppose. Sucks Amazon made it so that people aren't allowed accessed to do what they want to a device they purchases regardless intent. Wish I know how to code and what not to try to crack it .
Rbohannon89 said: Thank you for your response. I unfortunately had a feeling this is the exact case. I have found a thread with apk file to get google play on my fire tablet. So that is a thing I suppose. Sucks Amazon made it so that people aren't allowed accessed to do what they want to a device they purchases regardless intent. Wish I know how to code and what not to try to crack it . Click to expand... Click to collapse While I understand the frustration and disappointment it's important to recognize Amazon does not market the device as a generic Android tablet. It is effectively a content consumption portal locked into Amazon's restrictive ecosystem. If marketed for other purposes (and customizable as you wish) it would certainly carry a higher price point. I have often thought Amazon should change the form factor so Fire tablets are not confused with their more general purpose counterparts. It may look like a duck and (sometimes) quack like a duck but it is definitely a turkey if you were expecting a duck.
Davey126 said: While I understand the frustration and disappointment it's important to recognize Amazon does not market the device as a generic Android tablet. It is effectively a content consumption portal locked into Amazon's restrictive ecosystem. If marketed for other purposes (and customizable as you wish) it would certainly carry a higher price point. I have often thought Amazon should change the form factor so Fire tablets are not confused with their more general purpose counterparts. It may look like a duck and (sometimes) quack like a duck but it is definitely a turkey if you were expecting a duck. Click to expand... Click to collapse Well said about all I got. I agree they should market differently.
Fire 7 5th and 7th
My kids have a fire 7 5th and 7th gen. Someone suggested you can remove the Fire OS via a rom. But looking around that doesn't seem possible for many variants. The tablets have got super slow and the kids just aren't using them as much as they used to be, also they want the Google Play stuff (and I want family link to keep an eye on their apps!) So it seems a win win situation albeit not possible...? Am I out of luck? Thanks
Lothaen said: My kids have a fire 7 5th and 7th gen. Someone suggested you can remove the Fire OS via a rom. But looking around that doesn't seem possible for many variants. The tablets have got super slow and the kids just aren't using them as much as they used to be, also they want the Google Play stuff (and I want family link to keep an eye on their apps!) So it seems a win win situation albeit not possible...? Am I out of luck? Thanks Click to expand... Click to collapse Custom ROMs exist for both variants but you'll have some geeky prep work to do (unlocking bootloader) which can easily consume a weekend if you're new to the game. A more expeditious path is to simply reinstall FireOS which will restore speed (for awhile) but not bring Google Play access. Alternatively, look at the $64 USD 8" Onn tablet from Walmart which runs the latest version of (almost) pure Android and is highly usable out of the box. That said, most kids shy away from clunky tablets once in school. Give some thought to a prepaid phone which are heavily discounted at most retailers. Just don't activate it which yields a great WiFi only gizmo for Junior which can be turned into a 'real' phone when s(he) is ready. Good luck.
It's a fair point. The kids play Pokémon go on old phones as the tablets don't so much.