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Hi. I just observed that exynoss version n9 has currently better custom.rom support than the snapdragon one. Not sure if I am looking at the right forum as I always thought custom rom support is easy on snapdragon. Pls clarify
Should be because most snapdragon model out there can't unlock the bootloader, for Samsung
kirankowshik said:
Hi. I just observed that exynoss version n9 has currently better custom.rom support than the snapdragon one. Not sure if I am looking at the right forum as I always thought custom rom support is easy on snapdragon. Pls clarify
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Take a look for yourself:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/development
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...on-roms-kernels-recoveries--other-development
Short answer:
Model SM-N960F & SM-N960F-D/S: (Exynos) Root & ROMs
Model SM-N9600: (Snapdragon International) Root & ROM (Yes,only one ROM ATM)
Model SM-N960U / SM-N960U1 / SM-N960W: (Snapdragon North America) Nothing,don't expect this to change anytime soon,if ever.
Model SM-N960N (Korean version,other Korean versions that are carrier specific may exist,or,as with the American & Canadian versions,share the same model number) You'll have to look for yourself,little to nothing exists here @ XDA.
If you want detailed what & why's,Google & XDA Search is your friend,the topic of ROM support has been discussed at great length on many sites/forums......................
Can i flash gsis on the n9600 version? I really don't want a exynos considering the low performance as many comparisions say
kirankowshik said:
Can i flash gsis on the n9600 version? I really don't want a exynos considering the low performance as many comparisions say
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FWIW,some are stating Android 9.0 brought some performance improvements to the Exynos version.
However,if you're set on the SM-N9600 Snapdragon version (& the limited development support),this thread goes off-topic discussing GSI ROMs,give it a look & ask around:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...ries--other-development/rom-weta-0-1-t3847155
Give the 1st post in the link a good look for links to further discussions of the int'l SnapDragon model..............
Thank you for the info. If I have a n960 u1 version does it have bootloader unlocked? I saw somewhwre that u1 is the unlocked version. In that case will I be able to flash any gsi treble roms?
kirankowshik said:
Thank you for the info. If I have a n960 u1 version does it have bootloader unlocked? I saw somewhwre that u1 is the unlocked version. In that case will I be able to flash any gsi treble roms?
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No, the SM-N960U/U1/W versions do not have an unlockable bootloader.
The unlock you're referring to is in regards to the carrier free version (SIM Unlocked).
https://youtu.be/lVIHuC6v39E
Oh okay got it. So only the n9600 and n960f f/ds have bootloader unlocks. Please confirm
kirankowshik said:
Oh okay got it. So only the n9600 and n960f f/ds have bootloader unlocks. Please confirm
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Yes, exactly, but, don't take my word for it.....
If you look around, the exact question you're posing has been asked & answered numerous times.
kirankowshik said:
Can i flash gsis on the n9600 version? I really don't want a exynos considering the low performance as many comparisions say
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Even tho android 9 improved a little the exynos 9810 scheduler - it's still a far inferior chip to the snapdragon 945. If you can choose, don't - pick the snapdragon. The few more custom ROMs won't change the difference. For more vivid example - imagine a midrange phone with custom ROMs vs high end phone without custom ROMs support. Dunno about you, but for primary device, I would pick the high end phone (especially when they are priced the same). This is my personal opinion and yes, I have the exynos note 9 and yes - read a lot + know people and the snapdragon is not just a little bit better, it's vastly better to the point that it's super obvious almost instantly when you have both of the variants in-front of you.
high_voltage said:
Even tho android 9 improved a little the exynos 9810 scheduler - it's still a far inferior chip to the snapdragon 945. If you can choose, don't - pick the snapdragon. The few more custom ROMs won't change the difference. For more vivid example - imagine a midrange phone with custom ROMs vs high end phone without custom ROMs support. Dunno about you, but for primary device, I would pick the high end phone (especially when they are priced the same). This is my personal opinion and yes, I have the exynos note 9 and yes - read a lot + know people and the snapdragon is not just a little bit better, it's vastly better to the point that it's super obvious almost instantly when you have both of the variants in-front of you.
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But the gap is very little now between exynos and snapdragon
I see multiple benchmark that stated these
I don't have either ones
But i order the exynos because it's the only version available in my country
But after seeing the difference I desid i will flip it
But now after the pie update and the improvement
I don't know what to do
Btw ( the price was good 650$)
Can you share a benchmark in pie since you have exynos
ahmedwhy said:
But the gap is very little now between exynos and snapdragon
I see multiple benchmark that stated these
I don't have either ones
But i order the exynos because it's the only version available in my country
But after seeing the difference I desid i will flip it
But now after the pie update and the improvement
I don't know what to do
Btw ( the price was good 650$)
Can you share a benchmark in pie since you have exynos
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25-35% slower GPU (depending on the workload/game), frame drops are a lot more with the exynos, battery life is lower, apps opens slower, heavy multitasking is worse/choppier. Yes, the scores improved, but I am yet to see note 9 sd android 9 scores, so maybe they improved too. Search for the Andrei's article in anandtech mobile section (second page currently), he compared the two note 9 variants. Yes, they are both on oreo, but you can see what is the overall situation. Not to mention that no matter how much samsung tweak the SOC control, they cannot change the hardware part of it. You decide for yourself, I also have the exynos and the phone is good, just wish that I had the better one...
For 650$ it's a good phone. Don't return it, I am sure you will love it.
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Even tho android 9 improved a little the exynos 9810 scheduler - it's still a far inferior chip to the snapdragon 945. If you can choose, don't - pick the snapdragon. The few more custom ROMs won't change the difference. For more vivid example - imagine a midrange phone with custom ROMs vs high end phone without custom ROMs support. Dunno about you, but for primary device, I would pick the high end phone (especially when they are priced the same). This is my personal opinion and yes, I have the exynos note 9 and yes - read a lot + know people and the snapdragon is not just a little bit better, it's vastly better to the point that it's super obvious almost instantly when you have both of the variants in-front of you.
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Can I assume you have held both variants in your hands? Which models? (N960F & N9600?)
Just out of interest, can you say more specifically what was vastly superior on the Snapdragon variant?
I have only checked the Exynos variant (N960F running Oreo with October patch) at a local store and simply browsing around the interface, it was very fast and fluid.
Is the performance so different that side-by-side, the Snapdragon variant is visually faster and smoother/more fluid?
Keep in mind, there are other differences as well. For example, the HK variant of the N9600 does not have VoLTE.
For what its worth, I ordered the Snapdragon variant as well because I want the top internal specs and was willing to pay a slight premium to get it. Hopefully I can modify the the software to address the shortcomings over the Exynos 950FD.
I also hope that we see more ROMs for the N9600.
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25-35% slower GPU (depending on the workload/game), frame drops are a lot more with the exynos, battery life is lower, apps opens slower, heavy multitasking is worse/choppier. Yes, the scores improved, but I am yet to see note 9 sd android 9 scores, so maybe they improved too. Search for the Andrei's article in anandtech mobile section (second page currently), he compared the two note 9 variants. Yes, they are both on oreo, but you can see what is the overall situation. Not to mention that no matter how much samsung tweak the SOC control, they cannot change the hardware part of it. You decide for yourself, I also have the Exynos and the phone is good, just wish that I had the better one...
For 650$ it's a good phone. Don't return it, I am sure you will love it.
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thank you very much for replying
yes i sow the post for anandtech
and that scare the s*it of me
but i in the other side there are benchmarks
withe exynos have 255000 in antutu and sd have 280000
so these number is good
and btw the highest sd 854 sd score was 280000 on the pocophone and oneplus 6t
so i think they can improve it more
and tweaking the kernel make wonder
especially if they weren't tweaked right from the start
Byte_76 said:
Can I assume you have held both variants in your hands? Which models? (N960F & N9600?)
Just out of interest, can you say more specifically what was vastly superior on the Snapdragon variant?
I have only checked the Exynos variant (N960F running Oreo with October patch) at a local store and simply browsing around the interface, it was very fast and fluid.
Is the performance so different that side-by-side, the Snapdragon variant is visually faster and smoother/more fluid?
Keep in mind, there are other differences as well. For example, the HK variant of the N9600 does not have VoLTE.
For what its worth, I ordered the Snapdragon variant as well because I want the top internal specs and was willing to pay a slight premium to get it. Hopefully I can modify the the software to address the shortcomings over the Exynos 950FD.
I also hope that we see more ROMs for the N9600.
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What shortcomings? Few respected members @ XDA got both variants, Andrei from anandtech got them (he is also known as developer, if you didn't know), friend of mine who lives outside my country currently also got them. All of them returned the exynos and kept the snapdragon, all of them said they came prepare into that comparison but didn't expect the difference to be that big. There are also real tests that solidify this with facts + geekbench is THE ONLY bench that put the exynos CPU part ahead of the snapdragon, every other bench is the opposite. The exynos is not that bad, it's just not on the snapdragon level - there are more frame drops here and there, battery life is worse, the GPU is A LOT weaker leading to vastly worse gaming, app loading is slower (and this hurts a lot, simple example - app opening most will say w/e if it's 0.5s more, but when you open notification from messenger and in the one case it's like iphone smooth/instant opening the app and in the other slight delay and choppy animations when opening - then the user experience suffers), heavy multitasking is slower and choppier in the animations when transitions are happening, emulators are a lot worse on the exynos too. Just search for "how to improve exynos 9810" part 1 and 2 @ anandtech, then read the direct note 9 variants comparison and you will get the idea with facts. Subjectively everyone who tried the both variants said the same, this doesn't make the note 9 exynos super bad, but I payed more money (1140$ as euro > $) than someone in USA to get high tier midrange SOC. Don't forget that nowdays even a midrange SOC can run everything smooth, even games... but after a year, or two? What if you wan't to play demanding game and instead of fps drops to 20, to have 60 stable? What if you wan't smooth experience instead of frame drop here, frame drop there, choppy app opening, etc). Why should I pay more for less? Hell, even the DAC on the sd845 is really stepped up and the wolfson/lucky in the exynos are no more vastly better...
The exynos 9820 from what is officially revealed from samsung and leaked - will be no different, vastly behind the sd855, but let's see. (also both are roflstomped from the apple's A12 and even A11 pulls ahead, sadly they got other problems like price, locked OS, etc).
So to sum it up: is the exynos version that bad? No, it's not at all. The snapdragon version is just better at... everything this year and the difference is bigger than ever. When we combine that with the fact that in Europe we pay 1000 euro for the phone or 1140$ while in USA someone will pay 1000$ and receive a better GPU/CPU in the phone... well, yes, it's not fair and not like we have a choice either. Especially with this year week android manufacturers performance with copycat of apple iphone's worse aspects without taking the good ones.
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ahmedwhy said:
thank you very much for replying
yes i sow the post for anandtech
and that scare the s*it of me
but i in the other side there are benchmarks
withe exynos have 255000 in antutu and sd have 280000
so these number is good
and btw the highest sd 854 sd score was 280000 on the pocophone and oneplus 6t
so i think they can improve it more
and tweaking the kernel make wonder
especially if they weren't tweaked right from the start
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No need to be scared, the exynos variant is just fine. I am just a tech heavy person that has the knowledge to understand the deep architectural dives and into hardware, thus I can tell you that as a hardware the exynos 9810 even tweaked to it's best possible way will never match the sd845 both in CPU and GPU (or come close to it for an fact). The mali GPU just don't have the raw power to even be in the same class with the adreno, even the sd835 is faster in GPU. The CPU big cores has a lot going on, BUT they are really power hungry. Unleashing them to close the gap to the sd845 CPU, will lead to a bad battery life and a lot of heat - so it's not viable. Also there is something that should not be forgotten, galaxy s10 is just around the corner and tweaking the note 9/s9 will absolutely not be priority. The efforts from the competent engineers will go towards 9820 in the s10. What we have in android 9 will be most likely the last tweaking for performance for this device (atleast to a more measurable degree).
This should not scare you, as I said - the note 9 exynos is just fine and you will see that when you receive the device. I am talking about more of an power user perspective, but then again - you pay the same money as the person that got a better version of the phone = this is totally a scam from samsung, albeit a legal one.
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What shortcomings? Few respected members @ XDA got both variants, Andrei from anandtech got them (he is also known as developer, if you didn't know), friend of mine who lives outside my country currently also got them. All of them returned the exynos and kept the snapdragon, all of them said they came prepare into that comparison but didn't expect the difference to be that big. There are also real tests that solidify this with facts + geekbench is THE ONLY bench that put the exynos CPU part ahead of the snapdragon, every other bench is the opposite. The exynos is not that bad, it's just not on the snapdragon level - there are more frame drops here and there, battery life is worse, the GPU is A LOT weaker leading to vastly worse gaming, app loading is slower (and this hurts a lot, simple example - app opening most will say w/e if it's 0.5s more, but when you open notification from messenger and in the one case it's like iphone smooth/instant opening the app and in the other slight delay and choppy animations when opening - then the user experience suffers), heavy multitasking is slower and choppier in the animations when transitions are happening, emulators are a lot worse on the exynos too. Just search for "how to improve exynos 9810" part 1 and 2 @ anandtech, then read the direct note 9 variants comparison and you will get the idea with facts. Subjectively everyone who tried the both variants said the same, this doesn't make the note 9 exynos super bad, but I payed more money (1140$ as euro > $) than someone in USA to get high tier midrange SOC. Don't forget that nowdays even a midrange SOC can run everything smooth, even games... but after a year, or two? What if you wan't to play demanding game and instead of fps drops to 20, to have 60 stable? What if you wan't smooth experience instead of frame drop here, frame drop there, choppy app opening, etc). Why should I pay more for less? Hell, even the DAC on the sd845 is really stepped up and the wolfson/lucky in the exynos are no more vastly better...
The exynos 9820 from what is officially revealed from samsung and leaked - will be no different, vastly behind the sd855, but let's see. (also both are roflstomped from the apple's A12 and even A11 pulls ahead, sadly they got other problems like price, locked OS, etc).
So to sum it up: is the exynos version that bad? No, it's not at all. The snapdragon version is just better at... everything this year and the difference is bigger than ever. When we combine that with the fact that in Europe we pay 1000 euro for the phone or 1140$ while in USA someone will pay 1000$ and receive a better GPU/CPU in the phone... well, yes, it's not fair and not like we have a choice either. Especially with this year week android manufacturers performance with copycat of apple iphone's worse aspects without taking the good ones.
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No need to be scared, the exynos variant is just fine. I am just a tech heavy person that has the knowledge to understand the deep architectural dives and into hardware, thus I can tell you that as a hardware the exynos 9810 even tweaked to it's best possible way will never match the sd845 both in CPU and GPU (or come close to it for an fact). The mali GPU just don't have the raw power to even be in the same class with the adreno, even the sd835 is faster in GPU. The CPU big cores has a lot going on, BUT they are really power hungry. Unleashing them to close the gap to the sd845 CPU, will lead to a bad battery life and a lot of heat - so it's not viable. Also there is something that should not be forgotten, galaxy s10 is just around the corner and tweaking the note 9/s9 will absolutely not be priority. The efforts from the competent engineers will go towards 9820 in the s10. What we have in android 9 will be most likely the last tweaking for performance for this device (atleast to a more measurable degree).
This should not scare you, as I said - the note 9 exynos is just fine and you will see that when you receive the device. I am talking about more of an power user perspective, but then again - you pay the same money as the person that got a better version of the phone = this is totally a scam from samsung, albeit a legal one.
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i agree with in every word you sayed
me too i consider my self a tech heavy person
and i know deep in mind i will never be in rest after this knowledge
but it's the only option i have or the oneplus 6t or the pocophone
and i didn't pay the full price just 650
so i think it's not a bad of deal
oneplus 6t have the same price with better soc by 10% and better support and oxygen os
or note with a better camera, display, fingerprint, design, mic, and vibration motor
and i trust in the build quality with Samsung more than i trust oneplus (maybe i am wrong )
but coming from note 4 for 5 years ...amazing phone
in the end, i chose Samsung and i hate my choice
agreed with you it's a scam and the worst ia a legal scam
i don't know these is possible every advertise and review unit to the reviewer is snapdragon
and if you bought the phone without knowing
in any country expect us
you will ge a different lowest phone .......whaaaat
how no one changing these
in my country (Egypt) there is no low to control that..... but in Europe
come on
if Samsung advertise there phone with Exynos SOC no one will pay it (at least every one know what is SOC)
I am also a tech savvy person with a long background in technology. I have a strong understanding of the architecture of the two SoC's in question.
Despite thinking that I had made up my mind to go with the Exynos variant in the copper color that I wanted, I too felt that I would not be happy knowing that I had paid top dollar for the Exynos variant. In the end, I chose the Snapdragon variant (at the last minute) despite having to go with a non-preferred color. I'll put a case on the phone and forget about the color but I'll have that mental satisfaction of knowing that I have the best SoC that was available in the Note 9.
That said, I was prepared to pay for the SD version and had the option to choose either way.
If my budget was fixed at $650 with the option to choose between OnePlus 6T, Poco Phone and a few other options, I would have chosen the Exynos Note 9 without a second thought. To me, the Note 9 is a lot better than the Poco Phone and compared to the 6T, you get a much better display, wirelss charging, a 4000mah battery and the stylus, to name just a few. (At near equal pricing, there really are a lot of advantages for the note 9 over the 6T that outweigh the benefits of the SD845 vs the Exynos 9810.)
Byte_76 said:
I am also a tech savvy person with a long background in technology. I have a strong understanding of the architecture of the two SoC's in question.
Despite thinking that I had made up my mind to go with the Exynos variant in the copper color that I wanted, I too felt that I would not be happy knowing that I had paid top dollar for the Exynos variant. In the end, I chose the Snapdragon variant (at the last minute) despite having to go with a non-preferred color. I'll put a case on the phone and forget about the color but I'll have that mental satisfaction of knowing that I have the best SoC that was available in the Note 9.
That said, I was prepared to pay for the SD version.and had the option to choose either way.
If my budget was fixed at $650 with the option to choose between OnePlus 6T, Poco Phone and a few other options, I would have chosen the Exynos Note 9 without a second thought. To me, the Note 9 is a lot better than the Poco Phone and compared to the 6T, you get a much better display, wirelss charging, a 4000mah battery and the stylus, to name just a few. (At near equal pricing, there really are a lot of advantages for the note 9 over the 6T that outweigh the benefits of the SD845 vs the Exynos 9810.)
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Thank you very much
I will go with the exynos and hope for the best
Hope you well have great time with your note
And hope we can compare our score in benchmarks when we receive it
ahmedwhy said:
i agree with in every word you sayed
me too i consider my self a tech heavy person
and i know deep in mind i will never be in rest after this knowledge
but it's the only option i have or the oneplus 6t or the pocophone
and i didn't pay the full price just 650
so i think it's not a bad of deal
oneplus 6t have the same price with better soc by 10% and better support and oxygen os
or note with a better camera, display, fingerprint, design, mic, and vibration motor
and i trust in the build quality with Samsung more than i trust oneplus (maybe i am wrong )
but coming from note 4 for 5 years ...amazing phone
in the end, i chose Samsung and i hate my choice
agreed with you it's a scam and the worst ia a legal scam
i don't know these is possible every advertise and review unit to the reviewer is snapdragon
and if you bought the phone without knowing
in any country expect us
you will ge a different lowest phone .......whaaaat
how no one changing these
in my country (Egypt) there is no low to control that..... but in Europe
come on
if Samsung advertise there phone with Exynos SOC no one will pay it (at least every one know what is SOC)
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Actually I would pick the exynos note 9 over the oneplus 6t, especially when they are both priced the same. Overall the note 9 is a better phone in a lot of ways.
I am probably going for n9600 version with snapdragon 845. Was struggling to decide between op6t and this but I am a bit crazy abt the features of note 9 rather than the op6t which seem barebones. I come from a nokia 7 plus hence its almost same on op6t. Another question, can you show me a way to unlocm bootloader on n9600? Any site for that. I tried looking around but cdnt get any
check the below performance comparison ,
i really want this phone after so much time i was away from samsung , but as now i have iphone X i don't want a laggy or stuttery phone ,
when you see this video , the exynos is not only slower but even stuttry when switching between tests than the SD855 , it makes me want to got to the MI9 from xiaomi only for the cpu
https://youtu.be/MgRnbm9wrzg
i wish the exynos was at least on par with the 855 in performance
c'mon don't believe everything, wait for more elaborated cpu reviews... this Gary not seems to be a real expert
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14031/samsung-galaxy-s10-first-exynos-9820-vs-snapdragon-855-scores
Yes, snapdragon is way better, pity
Mohamad Gahed said:
check the below performance comparison ,
i really want this phone after so much time i was away from samsung , but as now i have iphone X i don't want a laggy or stuttery phone ,
when you see this video , the exynos is not only slower but even stuttry when switching between tests than the SD855 , it makes me want to got to the MI9 from xiaomi only for the cpu
https://youtu.be/MgRnbm9wrzg
i wish the exynos was at least on par with the 855 in performance
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Besides having more Custom ROM options I don't know of any other advantages the Exynos Chipset has over the Spapdragon variant. As far as lagging, since the S9 it's not an issue and with UI/Android 9 Update it's as smooth and faster than than anything iPhone offers. The CPU in the S10 is the same as the Xiaomi so you'll get a lesser smartphone at a lower price.
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Besides having more Custom ROM options I don't know of any other advantages the Exynos Chipset has over the Spapdragon variant. As far as lagging, since the S9 it's not an issue and with UI/Android 9 Update it's as smooth and faster than than anything iPhone offers. The CPU in the S10 is the same as the Xiaomi so you'll get a lesser smartphone at a lower price.
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i mentioned xiaomi as it have the SD855 vs the Exynos in the s10 , as in my country we only have the exynos with samsung we don't get the SD ,
also i need to ask you about your statment about the s9 and the one UI update , are you talking about the exynos version or the SD 845 version?am interested to know if the 9810 also after the update is good in speed and not laggy or something as old samsungs specially after a while of use.
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i mentioned xiaomi as it have the SD855 vs the Exynos in the s10 , as in my country we only have the exynos with samsung we don't get the SD ,
also i need to ask you about your statment about the s9 and the one UI update , are you talking about the exynos version or the SD 845 version?am interested to know if the 9810 also after the update is good in speed and not laggy or something as old samsungs specially after a while of use.
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No, it's an SM-G9650, Snapdragon 845, Hong Kong, I won't consider a Exynos variant when I can get a Snapdragon variant, bootloader unlocked especially with the new SD 855 which is faster, no overheating, battery drain or carrier compatibility concerns. Not to mention the Snapdragon variant is much better optimized for AI and 5G.
Mmmmm, disappointing to say the least.
I have just cancelled my pre-order of the S10 from Sammy UK. I'm not happy spending £799.
Decided to order the U.S Version from Amazon. Not fussed with rooting this device, as I have other phones to play with.
johnny8910 said:
Mmmmm, disappointing to say the least.
I have just cancelled my pre-order of the S10 from Sammy UK. I'm not happy spending £799 on a phone with a chip set that is last year.
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LOL, too funny, last year was 8 weeks ago! Almost all flagship android devices are using the SD 855. With the exceptions of iPhone A12, Exynos 9820 and Huawei's Kirin 980, all of which are older than the SD 855!
Slight overreaction but as someone who has the 10+ pre-ordered in the UK I do feel short-changed. If I could get the SD55 model in the UK I would.
If there is a significant difference between the two though this is not good for Samsung. Especially as we pay more in the UK for the privilege.
From what I have seen the Exynos single core is double that of the Snapdragon, and only falls a little short in mulyicore performance. But there are pros and cons to both chipsets.
However I do like the Snapdragon 855, and would be more uniform if Samsung just shipped all units with that chipset.
It's funny, you guys that aren't in North America want the SD 855 and a lot of us here in the USA want the Exynos 9820!
Personally, I ordered an Exynos variant and am receiving it March 4th. It seems as if there are a lot of issues with the Exynos version in terms of LTE bands as well, as the version I ordered is likely the SEA region that lacks specific bands that I want. But then again.. that prism green looks gorgeous and is a pretty big reason why I ordered it. I'm inclined to return it though, and trade in my old S8+ through Samsung since they're offering a decent amount for it. We'll see!
You guys are too picky. There is nothing wrong with Exynos 9820 version. It's amazingly fast with amazing battery life. Synthetic benchmarks mean almost nothing!
Real life speed test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uru9AnkgzHc
Real life battery test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgqinnFGqmQ
I ordered the Snapdragon version because its what Tmo US sells. I'm not a huge phone gamer, but I haven't found speed to be a factor on a modern flagship phone in years. I'm much more worried about battery life and overall features. Speed at this point is pretty much the least of my concerns. The only thing actually tying my to Samsung anymore is secure folder, another company REALLY needs to create a competitor. ( did order S10+)
I am interested in whichever one is better at battery life. If Samsung would put a midrange chipset with that camera in that shell, I would buy it I am inclined to believe that the 7nm Snapdragon will be better than the 8nm Exynos, but there were occasions (Galaxy S7/Edge) when the Exynos version was vastly superior in battery life. I would really want to see a battery life comparison between SD855 and Exynos 9820 in order to decide if importing from the US to Europe at a higher price is actually worth it.
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I am interested in whichever one is better at battery life. If Samsung would put a midrange chipset with that camera in that shell, I would buy it I am inclined to believe that the 7nm Snapdragon will be better than the 8nm Exynos, but there were occasions (Galaxy S7/Edge) when the Exynos version was vastly superior in battery life. I would really want to see a battery life comparison between SD855 and Exynos 9820 in order to decide if importing from the US to Europe at a higher price is actually worth it.
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Exactly what I would say. Waiting on a battery comparison as well.
Benchmarks are not that important. I tend to set all my phones on a battery friendly setting since years.
Preordered the exynos s10, but in the end its the only option really in Europe. If battery is better then I can miss out on the speed. But i agree on some of the opinions that charging the same money on so vastly different phones when there is such a big difference in the chipsets is wrong.
But I would say we have to wait for the release, as the demo and preproduction units are not with final software.
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the snapdragon version when it comes out? on ebay I only saw the exynos version.
After 7 years of iPhone I'm planning to switch to android.
The problem is that the snapdragon version has the bootloader locked... and I don't know exactly in which way
I'm living in Mexico so we get the SD855 but we also have the exynos on Amazon.
SD855 is way better (battery, heating, speed) but can I at least root the device? Will be there few custom roms? I'm switching from iPhone cos I got tired and bored. But i dont want a device that locks me again...
On the other hand, the exynos comes with no warranty, heating issues, battery, etc. But it comes in dual SIM and green and flawless rooting/ custom roms
In the first year I don't plan to root/ change the ROM, but after a year I might want to do it and the most frustrating thing would be the impossibility due to locked bootloader.
Gosh just saw my signature )) I haven't been here for a loooong time haha
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After 7 years of iPhone I'm planning to switch to android.
The problem is that the snapdragon version has the bootloader locked... and I don't know exactly in which way
I'm living in Mexico so we get the SD855 but we also have the exynos on Amazon.
SD855 is way better (battery, heating, speed) but can I at least root the device? Will be there few custom roms? I'm switching from iPhone cos I got tired and bored. But i dont want a device that locks me again...
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The SD models will come locked, and will stay that way unless a vulnerability is found, the same applies to root. No ETA on either of the two. But honestly don't expect the bootloader to become unlocked in the SD variant.
So the only chance is exynos from Amazon or if I can get SD from Hong Kong (probably not)
That's so unfair
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So the only chance is exynos from Amazon or if I can get SD from Hong Kong (probably not)
That's so unfair
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Well, what's your preference?
Do you want bootloader unlocked, root or both?
If all you really want is root AND you were going to wait about a year anyway, then the SD model may be just fine.
If you want your bootloader unlocked then Exynos for sure.
Hi!
I want to buy a Samsung S10+ but I have to decide between exynos or snapdragon.
Any advice?
I would like to unlock and root the phone.
I come from Italy so would be easier to find an exynos one.
Thanks a lot!
If you had the HK Snap you'd have a slightly faster/better battery/cam/DAC phone but much less support from XDA.
The Exynos would be a bit slower/harder on battery but with much more modding support from XDA.
Pick your poison.
How slightly? :laugh:
thank you for the response.
I think I'll problaby go with the exynos at this point...
I need root but I still ordered an unlocked Snapdragon although in my country (Germany) it's not available. I was lucky that at the arrival root was also available for Snappys (Honk Kong / China).
Snapdragon is basically more widely optimized in certain apps. Exynos is more likely to get more ROMs in the near future and at the moment it already has an early version TWRP.
My reasons for Snappy:
- Better camera processing
- Better headphone DAC
- GPU is like 30% faster
- In some reviews the Exynos throttles quite a lot compared to Snappy
- Emulators run bad on Exynos compared to Snapdragons (It was important for me)
- The CPU part is more up to date (7nm process etc.) The exynos is still produced in 8nm process
- As a result the Snapdragon will uses less power on equal terms (physics)
- You have a rare phone...
- I was aware that ROMs will be rare but the S10 is sooo god out of the box anyway and with root you can customize necessary settings
- Samsung kinda fools the consumers by using the inferior Exynos but they got more equal since the last Exynos
I fogot one downside which could be significant for some.
You will get a restricted warranty if at all. you won't be able to buy that phone with a contract in "Exynos" countries.
thank you very much for all the infos
but is it already possible to root with snapdragon?
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thank you very much for all the infos
but is it already possible to root with snapdragon?
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yes but it's important to have an unlocked bootloader. As far as I know only China/HK devices have an unlocked BL.
The name is SM-G9700 (s10e), SM-G9730 (s10), SM-G9750(s10+)
Snapdragon for the heavy 3d gamers, exynos for the others in Europe/Middle East.
You won't find a difference but in games as already said the exynos will get warmer and battery will deplete faster.
In another hand once custom kernels and roms will be unleashed, cpu/gpu control will improve on exynos, same will go with the camera which can be modded to lowering noise removal and why not give raw to the telephoto and wide angle cameras
I've also heard that the Hong Kong/ TGY variant (i.e. G9730 on the S10 and G9700 on the S10e) may have some issues with connecting on some 4G bands in Europe (but especially in the US). For what I read on the other threads, it seems that they are not set-up correctly for doing carrier aggregation (CA) which, if I understood it correctly, will influence your downlink speed and may affect some features like Voice over LTE (VoLTE). Am I correct? Do you guys know how bad this will affect user experience?
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I need root but I still ordered an unlocked Snapdragon although in my country (Germany) it's not available. I was lucky that at the arrival root was also available for Snappys (Honk Kong / China).
Snapdragon is basically more widely optimized in certain apps. Exynos is more likely to get more ROMs in the near future and at the moment it already has an early version TWRP.
My reasons for Snappy:
- Better camera processing
- Better headphone DAC
- GPU is like 30% faster
- In some reviews the Exynos throttles quite a lot compared to Snappy
- Emulators run bad on Exynos compared to Snapdragons (It was important for me)
- The CPU part is more up to date (7nm process etc.) The exynos is still produced in 8nm process
- As a result the Snapdragon will uses less power on equal terms (physics)
- You have a rare phone...
- I was aware that ROMs will be rare but the S10 is sooo god out of the box anyway and with root you can customize necessary settings
- Samsung kinda fools the consumers by using the inferior Exynos but they got more equal since the last Exynos
I fogot one downside which could be significant for some.
You will get a restricted warranty if at all. you won't be able to buy that phone with a contract in "Exynos" countries.
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And another downside is the price... About 80-90€ more in Europe than Exynos one.
Is rooting and custom ROM's be available to the snapdragon version of China? The G9730?
I can buy the exynos version for 600€ and the G9730 for 630€
Is it worth the extra 30€?
I just want a functional GCam and rooting is a must for me, if it can't be rooted I might just go for the exynos version
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Is rooting and custom ROM's be available to the snapdragon version of China?
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I also wanted to change my phone to s10, but then checked xda devices pages of s7, s8, s9 and understood that there is no point in taking Samsung. Even though S7 just got properly working LOS16, other devices are still way behind with dying threads as devices don't have developers left.
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Snapdragon for the heavy 3d gamers, exynos for the others in Europe/Middle East.
You won't find a difference but in games as already said the exynos will get warmer and battery will deplete faster.
In another hand once custom kernels and roms will be unleashed, cpu/gpu control will improve on exynos, same will go with the camera which can be modded to lowering noise removal and why not give raw to the telephoto and wide angle cameras
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But only partly. Overclocking is bad for battery and harms stability. Also you cannot improve an inferior Mali-GPU to perform better or equal to the good Adreno.
Also Exynos is sometimes not optimized well, for example on emulators, so a Snapdragon will always be a lot faster even without any optimization.
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And another downside is the price... About 80-90€ more in Europe than Exynos one.
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Mine was like 40-50€ cheaper when I've bought it.
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Is rooting and custom ROM's be available to the snapdragon version of China? The G9730?
I can buy the exynos version for 600€ and the G9730 for 630€
Is it worth the extra 30€?
I just want a functional GCam and rooting is a must for me, if it can't be rooted I might just go for the exynos version
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I've rooted my Chinese phone for quite a while. Installing the HongKong firmware allows everything.
No custom recovery though but I don't miss it honestly.
Roms are possible (when custome recov. is there) but will likely come for the Exynos mostly.
Honestly on my Exynos Galaxy S6 there haven't been many advantages with a custom rom.
On Lineage Roms the camera and other things didn't work well which was absolutely not acceptable for me.
Expect even less customizations for the (Exynos) Galaxy S10s, also because with Pie new barriers appear for developers. Let alone future Android versions...
I would say it is worth it. Read my advantage list which was mostly reviewed and approved.
thanks everyone for giving an opinion.
I would like to know, for the chinese version, if it's available also Magisk.
Also, where can I buy online a chinese version with warranty? any link to share?
thanks again
The only reason I'd get an Exynos (for use here in the US) is for root. That's it. That's why I'm buying an Exynos Note 10 (maybe) next spring. Prices will drop steadily by then. Currently using a SD S10.
I think most will have seen the early benchmarks showing the Snapdragon considerably outperforms the Exnyos version of the device in terms of speed and battery life.
My question is, is this still the case? Or have they managed to close the gap between them?
I don't really game very much so my main concerns to be honest are battery life, scrolling smoothness, overall performance more than high FPS in games.
many thanks ?
I think they will not differ much in normal usage and the exynos s10 is still very smooth with me till today specially while using FHD resolution
I also don't game at all frankly.
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I think they will not differ much in normal usage and the exynos s10 is still very smooth with me till today specially while using FHD resolution
I also don't game at all frankly.
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That's good to hear. I don't want to upset anyone with the Exnyos variant, it's just frustrating that for basically the same price the USA gets the snap dragon and the rest of us get a solution which seems to be a little worse in every way. I wouldn't mind so much if it had better battery life or better performance in some other area.
Maybe I should stop thinking that way and just remember that it's still a strong performer.
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That's good to hear. I don't want to upset anyone with the Exnyos variant, it's just frustrating that for basically the same price the USA gets the snap dragon and the rest of us get a solution which seems to be a little worse in every way. I wouldn't mind so much if it had better battery life or better performance in some other area.
Maybe I should stop thinking that way and just remember that it's still a strong performer.
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back in the note 4 days, the exnyos version was better in terms of battery life and cpu performance, but was worse in gpu.
No one is locked in to a certain device. You have the option to purchase the Snapdragon Hong Kong variant on Ebay which has a number of advantages over the US Snapdragon. The bootloader can be unlocked, dual SIM's, less bloatware and more telco frequency options. You lose the warranty, which I've never needed, since Samsung's quality issues are almost non existent. The Exynos variants may seem to have similar performance but it doesn't stack up to the Snapdragon SoC.
In my opinion I wouldn't worry too much. I came from a snapdragon 845 S9+ to an Exynos S10. With S9+ I could run every app and game fluently. No lag at all in android "Samsung experience". I ran Antutu benchmark on both phones and Exynos S10 have higher points than S9+ (CPU and GPU)
So, does it really matters that S855 is better than new Exynos when S845 could do anything and new Exynos is better than that?
We are at a point where numbers are getting higher but it really doesn't matter in real life. And Exynos have something that snapdragon doesn't and it is better developer's support (ROMS, mods, root, custom recovery, etc). So, Exynos is a win for me.
PD: S9+ is an excellent phone. I switched to S10 because my father wanted the S9+. Then I got S10 in a good sale wich is an excellent phone too: more ram, 64 vs 128 gb storage, little better CPU/GPU, little better more tunned camera, extra wide camera, more screen body relation, almost the same battery in a smaller phone, single SIM vs double SIM card (depends on your version) and it was cheaper for me because I got it in a good deal.
Enjoy you Exynos S10 and don't worry about the snapdragon version. It is an superb phone.
Exynos FTW!!
exynos speed takes a beating
I know I had the exynos s10+ sold it for the TGY version
tmobile speed has been steller
I missed the exynos roms and support but SD model is getting there too
plus we haave a fully working Gcam bam lol
I've been looking into getting the s21 from HK since it has Snapdragon which from what I've seen in most YouTube videos CPU is pretty much the "same" and gpu is way better on SD than exynos, I don't game a lot but I would just prefer the better version for longevity, which the exynos doesn't seem like (worse gpu than on s865) does the HK version usually get any development? (Root, ROMs)?
The gap is much smaller this year, from what I've seen some of the discrepancies in YouTube tests are more around optimisation (although the Adreno is better than the Mali).
Traditionally I understand it's very difficult, if not impossible to root SDs?
Battery life seems to be very close, Snapdragon 888 vs Exynos 2100: S21 sustained performance and battery life - YouTube has the exynos winning in endurance, but obviously this is under heavy load and the exynos seems to glitch at one point.
I would stick to the local version if you want warranty and support, but it's personal preference!
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I've been looking into getting the s21 from HK since it has Snapdragon which from what I've seen in most YouTube videos CPU is pretty much the "same" and gpu is way better on SD than exynos, I don't game a lot but I would just prefer the better version for longevity, which the exynos doesn't seem like (worse gpu than on s865) does the HK version usually get any development? (Root, ROMs)?
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I have HK Snapdragon 865 in my Galaxy S20 Ultra, that was one of the best decisions I took last year because the same phone with Exynos 990 was a disaster!
This time there is no better phone than others between Exynos 2100 and Snapdragon 888, it's minimal, so the benefit you may get from HK Snapdragon 888 model will not be that much, especially you've mentioned that you don't play games so why you want to buy HK model?
I may buy S21 Ultra with Exynos2100 this year if my S20 Ultra get broken or bad, here in Sweden, I get 2 years of warranty and the phone supports all 3G/4G/5G bands and net aggregation which gives me more solid performance including eSIM ability, etc..
Also I believe Exynos 2100 gives you slightly better battery life than the Snapdragon 888 as I have seen in many tests in YouTube and reviews.