What other devices/oem are you considering if Samsung locked all bootloaders? - Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers

What other devices are you considering if Samsung continues upping security and locking down their phones. (Lets says all Samsung devices snapdragon and exynos had locked bootloaders)
Working in IT in the Mobile realm I can definitely see the impact that Samsung Knox and Samsung’s focus on security is having. Samsung is pushing it very hard and this lets them maintain dominance on enterprise as far as the android side is concerned. However, to our (xda community) detriment these security features and components are lost when we root. Notwithstanding I was fine with loosing Samsung pay and Knox. It looks like with newer Samsung devices and updates Samsung is really ramping up. I have always been a fan of the Note series and switched to an S7 edge to wait for the Note 7. After the Note 7’s demise I decided to switch to the s8 Plus until the Note 8 was coming out. With recent news on new bootloaders preventing downgrades and bricking devices, Note 8’s having encrypted CSC’s disallowing modification and I’m assuming when Oreo comes out for these devices more security features and processes will leave rooters out in the cold. I was surprised to see the new “feature” Samsung added with the OEM unlock toggle being removed on users devices and them being in “Jail” for several days. I can only assume the s9 and maybe with Oreo updates on older Samsung devices they will also be getting this “Enhancement”. So, it seems to me the days of rooting and enhancing your device are limited at best. Rebooting your phone and being locked out doesn’t seem very appealing to me. Anyway, not to ramble I’m curious what other manufacturers are contenders for some of Samsung’s modding community users. There are very limited manufacturers who are open to their devices being modified. I’ve stuck with Samsung so long because of their cameras and superb hardware and features but now I’m left wondering can I run a stock Samsung device and all the crap T-Mobile and other carriers load on it. I was reading and some users flashing unlocked firmware on their carrier devices were getting bricked with the new bootloader so no help there. What devices would you consider if you consider if in the future if say CDMA was no longer needed and Samsung ran exynos for all their products and they locked the bootloaders. Would you still use a Samsung unrooted or what manufacture would you jump to?
I’m actually holding off from a Note 8 until I see what the Oreo update brings and what else changes and is locked down. The encrypted CSC's also disallow for enabling some core features T-Mobile disables on their version.

When OnePlus finally starts having the premium features as other flagships do. Goodbye Samsung!

Im probably gunna go essential 2 or pixel 3 xl(if its made by htc or inhouse google)

me2151 said:
Im probably gunna go essential 2 or pixel 3 xl(if its made by htc or inhouse google)
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Surprised your not scared of pixel. That screen controversy was pretty bad. LG makes there screens. I am familiar with LG quality issues. My last two LGs had bad burn in and other issues with screen.
Essential I know nothing about. But phone is looking promising from the lil I read.

Nick216ohio said:
Surprised your not scared of pixel. That screen controversy was pretty bad. LG makes there screens. I am familiar with LG quality issues. My last two LGs had bad burn in and other issues with screen.
Essential I know nothing about. But phone is looking promising from the lil I read.
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I AM scared of LG garbage. If any part of it is LG on the p3XL im not getting it. Some of my dev friends got the essential and they said its their absolute favorite phone so far.

Would most likely stay with Samsung because rooting apart from theming doesn't add much to the Phone imho. It's good and all, some features yeah they suck but I can glance over them because the whole package is good.
If they'd however harden the ability to sideload apps, I'd definitely jump ship to an iPhone.
Inb4 the Apple haters:
OP asked for opinions, don't cry about an iPhone being mentioned.

me2151 said:
I AM scared of LG garbage. If any part of it is LG on the p3XL im not getting it. Some of my dev friends got the essential and they said its their absolute favorite phone so far.
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Yeah stay away from anything LG. Only phone that LG actually makes good is V30. They do make excellent audio in devices. I doubt google uses LG screens in next pixel. Hopefully they hit up Samsung. Now that company knows how to make a good screen.
Now you seem to know more about essential phone. Is it better then OnePlus? In terms of features and Rom/root community size?

Nick216ohio said:
When OnePlus finally starts having the premium features as other flagships do. Goodbye Samsung!
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Yeah, looking at videos on the 5t now. If I had to choose right now it would probably be oneplus.
me2151 said:
Im probably gunna go essential 2 or pixel 3 xl(if its made by htc or inhouse google)
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Hmm I hadn't thought about essential. Need a larger device from them. Played with a Pixel 2 xl at work and its ok. Screen was the worst part.
me2151 said:
I AM scared of LG garbage. If any part of it is LG on the p3XL im not getting it. Some of my dev friends got the essential and they said its their absolute favorite phone so far.
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Thanks for the input.
SaadatM said:
Would most likely stay with Samsung because rooting apart from theming doesn't add much to the Phone imho. It's good and all, some features yeah they suck but I can glance over them because the whole package is good.
If they'd however harden the ability to sideload apps, I'd definitely jump ship to an iPhone.
Inb4 the Apple haters:
OP asked for opinions, don't cry about an iPhone being mentioned.
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I really like root for blocking ads and viper4android. When I play with non root phones I can't belive all the advertisements.
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naruto.ninjakid said:
Yeah, looking at videos on the 5t now. If I had to choose right now it would probably be oneplus. Hmm I hadn't thought about essential. Need a larger device from them. Played with a Pixel 2 xl at work and its ok. Screen was the worst part. Thanks for the input. I really like root for blocking ads and viper4android. When I play with non root phones I can't belive all the advertisements.
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OnePlus amount of Roms is breathtaking. There's good non root apps for blocking ads.

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naruto.ninjakid said:
Yeah, looking at videos on the 5t now. If I had to choose right now it would probably be oneplus. Hmm I hadn't thought about essential. Need a larger device from them. Played with a Pixel 2 xl at work and its ok. Screen was the worst part. Thanks for the input. I really like root for blocking ads and viper4android. When I play with non root phones I can't belive all the advertisements.
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Understandable, I loved V4A too!
For the adblocking:
You could use Ad-Block/ AdHell to block the ads, completely rootless.
Or what I'd personally recommend (And keep in mind, I'm no rich guy) is DisconnectPro. It is costly at 25€ once, but it sure as hell blocks all advertisements or remotely any ad activity.
Works well inside YouTube too, so it's basically ad-free.
Might give that a go, you can find it inside Samsug's store!

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OnePlus amount of Roms is breathtaking. There's good non root apps for blocking ads.
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I've tried the VPN adblocks but none of them work as well as adaway. Good suggestions though.
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SaadatM said:
Understandable, I loved V4A too!
For the adblocking:
You could use Ad-Block/ AdHell to block the ads, completely rootless.
Or what I'd personally recommend (And keep in mind, I'm no rich guy) is DisconnectPro. It is costly at 25€ once, but it sure as hell blocks all advertisements or remotely any ad activity.
Works well inside YouTube too, so it's basically ad-free.
Might give that a go, you can find it inside Samsug's store!
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Never been stock so have not tried disconnect pro. I belive it uses Knox? I hate the US carriers disabling features such as the spam caller ID since they want to sell their own product. I used to use csc to enable this but with new encrypted csc this is not possible.
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naruto.ninjakid said:
I've tried the VPN adblocks but none of them work as well as adaway. Good suggestions though.
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Yeah definitely not better then adaway. Best 1 I've used so far adguard.

probably stick with samsung
i've no longer have any interest to root plus after setting up samsung pay, you cant really go back
not sure why but this is the first android device i've own in the past 5 years that i've no intentions to root at all
nougat + samsung OEM just felt so complete as an android system

After seeing the OEM unlock crap happen on the exynos Note 8 i went and got a pixel 2 XL.
Although admittedly I am a big fan of samsung and have owned a ton of their devices i will not spend my money on device that i cant do what I want with.
sent from my Pixel 2 XL or Note FE

I will most likely still stick with the Note line, I rooted and ROMd my 2/3/4 notes but haven't felt any real need to do so with the Note 8, I might at a later stage just for fun but only because I have two of them

j_hansen said:
I will most likely still stick with the Note line, I rooted and ROMd my 2/3/4 notes but haven't felt any real need to do so with the Note 8, I might at a later stage just for fun but only because I have two of them
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I agree that root isnt as necessary as it used to be but its more the principle of it.
If im dropping $1200 or more (im in Canada) on a device i will be damned if i dont have total control over it.
sent from my Pixel 2 XL or Note FE

I'll go with Nokia Flashlight and it's fantastic 2 weeks battery life

Cristiano Matos said:
I'll go with Nokia Flashlight and it's fantastic 2 weeks battery life
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screen is a bit small for porn though

Hello.
I am rooting my all phones starting from nokia 5700 xpress music.(Although it wasnt android, i used to install python and other stuffs).
My last phone was OP2. I rooted that too for screen calibration, cpu throttling, speaker volume, camera and viper.
Honesty i miss viper on note8. Apart from this i didnt found any other reason to root this device while using from last 2 months. Please remember if you root this phone or any other secured phone, you loose knox or other secure feature including payment othions like samsung pay.
I am using Exynos device and pretty much happy with all the performance.

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why I'm leaving OP3

So let's starts this off by saying that one plus killed it this year with this phone. One of my favlrity phone, i preffer over the nexus 6p
But unfortunately I'm going to go back to the s7edge. So I switched over to the one plus 3 due to root limitations and also wanted to walk away from touchwiz. I love the one plus 3 don't get me wrong but I guess there was something I was missing with the s7edge I mean. Tbh phones are in a stage where root is not really that valuable as it was about a year or two ago.
Ex. Samsung themes, allows you to change quick, overcloking.. umm not needed in neither device the one plus or s7edge (snapdragon 820). Phones are too advance for that need. I mean yes there is some good stuff still about rooting like exposed etc. But unless your a die hard cmte guy I wouldn't buy a device based on just root. Also I missed water resistance and Samsung pay. I know Samsung has a lot of gimmicks but by far the best mobile payment... and let's not forget that Damm display.. I never really appreciated until I put booth phone next to each other. The one plus 3 looks a bit washed out. I think is because the high blues in the display calibration. And srgb looks a bit too warm.
If you have anything to say please feel free!! as I want to know if anyone feels like me, or had the same experience.
I love the one plus comunity.
Cool story bro. Here's a cookie for your troubles.
All the best....
Well, if i was sitting in pile of money i could too do decisions like that but because im not im "stuck" with my awesome phone. After all, it is just el-cheapo top of the line phone.
Is this thread a Samsung ad?
Go ahead mate..
Aside all hate, I'd probably keep both phones if I have tonnes of money! I have used both phones. Now I do own OP3. Camera wise, OP3 is nowhere near the S7E. Performance wise.. oh comon... OP3 OP3 OP3!!!!!!!!!! I'd prefer Overall performance(lag free) over camera. I know the importance of lag free experience because I lived more than 1 year with LG G3.
S7E is one of the best phones for sure. So does the OnePlus 3!!!
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Aside all hate, I'd probably keep both phones if I have tonnes of money! I have used both phones. Now I do own OP3. Camera wise, OP3 is nowhere near the S7E. Performance wise.. oh comon... OP3 OP3 OP3!!!!!!!!!! I'd prefer Overall performance(lag free) over camera. I know the importance of lag free experience because I lived more than 1 year with LG G3.
S7E is one of the best phones for sure. So does the OnePlus 3!!!
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I agree with you and yes I'll be keeping booth phones. This is not a Samsung add as clearly stated on the post one plus the 3 is beast phone you definitely get a lot more for your money than samsung. I'm simply sharing my experience. And idk how money came along in this. But okay.
I have absolutely nothing negative to say about the one plus.
jsomby said:
Well, if i was sitting in pile of money i could too do decisions like that but because im not im "stuck" with my awesome phone. After all, it is just el-cheapo top of the line phone.
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I do believe in the famous slogan for one plus. "The flagship killer" and I'm stuck in money? Well I'm not my s7edge was purchased when my girlfriend got her s7 I went ahead and got the s7edge as it was buy one get one free and I only paid the difference between the s7 and the edge.
Ok bro bye.. Hav fun with ****sung samdung Shamesung.. While we get aosp and quick android N.. You will be busy trolling with Lagwiz..
Loosing root, custom recovey, unlocked bootloader and custom kernels and ROMs is not worth it, u r going to have issues with the OS on any Android rom, but with theses it's easy to go back or clean flash and restore backups, so all of that is worthing it to keep a working phone
What the [email protected]#€& is that? What kind of a thread is this? It's your problem /opinion... Use Facebook for that kind of sh#€... Bye
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Funny bc i have the S7 flat right now. And have decided to switch to t-mobile and get far away from Samsung lol
l8r m8
Bradl79 said:
Loosing root, custom recovey, unlocked bootloader and custom kernels and ROMs is not worth it, u r going to have issues with the OS on any Android rom, but with theses it's easy to go back or clean flash and restore backups, so all of that is worthing it to keep a working phone
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Yup..the S7 edge is a really good phone.
Anyway, if you don't mind to lose the various Custom ROM and mods..it's ok!
But that's the truth..a very powerful Hardware with only Sammy ROMs.
I bought op3 not only for the Hardware, but for it's capability to be more developed..there are many ROMs, for now just AOSP and one MIUI..but i think that there will be Ubuntu Touch too, Flyme OS and many other stuff.
But don't worry.. yours is a good choice!
I bought only samsung phones in the past, and my last sammy phone was the edge plus..a really good phone, but i hate to spend so much for a Phone thaf offers a powerful Hardware like OP3 (op3, 2gb RAM more).
Sorry for my bad English, I'm Italian
S7edge is very good phone, for end user who doesnt like to tinker. And simply use their phone as it is, with all goods and bads
it just doesn't worth it's price. Well, it will, once it drop by $100-200
I' don't understand half of this People as I clearly stated the one plus is an extremely good phone and all I said was based on my opinion. Everyone has their own opinions. I still have my one plus so when ever I do want to try something I can just pop in a sim. I'm not saying the s7 is better. In every aspect but it's a better display and Samsung pay which are the only two benefit that I mentioned. I love the one plus. But w.e people get upset if someone shares their opinion this is comunity. If I wanted to bash the one plus three which in no mean I do. I would bring up FACTUAL imformation stating where it falls behind the s7edge which I dint. Because I don't believe it does. It's a great device for its price and to develope. I even liked it more than nexus 6p. Which I had previously
otonieru said:
S7edge is very good phone, for end user who doesnt like to tinker. And simply use their phone as it is, with all goods and bads
it just doesn't worth it's price. Well, it will, once it drop by $100-200
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And I agree 100$ it's very pricy and if I had to chose between both devices at retail I chose the one plus in. Heart beet.
Well...the OP states feel free to comment and now we do....
otonieru said:
S7edge is very good phone, for end user who doesnt like to tinker. And simply use their phone as it is, with all goods and bads
it just doesn't worth it's price. Well, it will, once it drop by $100-200
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yeah i totally agree with this

3T or S8?

Hey guys, i'm currently looking into getting a 3t or s8 because i'm tired of having an iphone 6 for 2 years. Before the Iphone 6 I had the HTC One X, and then the HTC One m7. They were good phones but both spazzed out on me so I got rid of them. I'm looking into going back to android but I don't know if I should go with the s8 or 3t.. any suggestions? I know for the price the 3t is hard to beat, but i'm also a little worried about going ahead and getting one because the Oneplus 5 may be right around the corner...
thanks guys!
I went for the oneplus 3t and I'm keeping this handset at least for the next year or two. Plenty of development and just a quick snappy phone with massive ram.
Goku80 said:
I went for the oneplus 3t and I'm keeping this handset at least for the next year or two. Plenty of development and just a quick snappy phone with massive ram.
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Yeah I went ahead and got the 3t. I dont want to spend $300 more for the S8. Hopefully we get lots of updates in the future.
I went for the 3T no bloatware, rooting capabilities (flashing mods and kernels) best bang for your buck
I love my 3T. My only concern is Oneplus commitment to updates on phones that aren't current. Sure, the Oneplus 3 and 3T continue to get regular updates. The Oneplus 2 and X get nothing however.
So will this happen when the Oneplus 4/5 comes out? I don't care as I update to the new phone whenever Oneplus does. But for those who want to keep their handsets longer? Who knows.
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I love my 3T. My only concern is Oneplus commitment to updates on phones that aren't current. Sure, the Oneplus 3 and 3T continue to get regular updates. The Oneplus 2 and X get nothing however.
So will this happen when the Oneplus 4/5 comes out? I don't care as I update to the new phone whenever Oneplus does. But for those who want to keep their handsets longer? Who knows.
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Yep, i'm a bit worried about this too. It seems like we have a really good dev community though so I'm sure this phone will be popular for a while.
For the main question, I'm kind of debating this myself too - I actually have both on order and am going to compare them before I make my decision. However, I will say the only thing that's drawing me to the S8 is the wow factor of it - and newness of the display and whatnot. In terms of tried and true performance, I really don't think a Samsung phone will be able to beat the 3T. Samsung just has never optimized their OS that well.
As for the 3T getting regular updates, this is just a guess of mine, so take it with a grain of salt, but I feel like OnePlus will support the 3T longer than they did the OP2 and OPX partially because it came out later in their release cycle, and that they're continuing to release new variants of it. It'd be really surprising for them to pitch the matte black version of the phone in April, and then fail to provide any updates for it after the OP5 comes out in July or August or whenever. It could certainly happen, but it seems like bad business to me.
Even still, with the independent development community OnePlus phones have, even if there's no official updates, you should still have unofficial releases coming for quite some time. I know someone who didn't replace their OnePlus One until very recently purely because it was still a perfectly satisfactory experience for them.
S8 benchmarks about the same as the Oneplus 3T. Of course they also force touchwiz, a locked bootloader, and other bloatware on you. If you root or care about custom roms don't get a s8.
OP3T. If you're a member here , I guess you wouldn't like to deal with all that locked bootloaders and other stuff to customize your phone
Well, you live in the US, so 3T. Otherwise I'd go with the S8 INTL Exynos.
It is indeed much pricier, but you get a big screen, IP67, much better camera and some additional features. Software side, their GraceUX (7.0) update on the S7 was already great - but the OOS on the OP3Tis just faster and more AOSP feeling
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Well, you live in the US, so 3T. Otherwise I'd go with the S8 INTL Exynos.
It is indeed much pricier, but you get a big screen, IP67, much better camera and some additional features. Software side, their GraceUX (7.0) update on the S7 was already great - but the OOS on the OP3Tis just faster and more AOSP feeling
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I have the 3t, decided to order the s8. The GraceUX look amazing. So much better than TouchWiz. Hated that. Also hated the bloatware on Samsung phones, so thats why I did not go for the s7. They have really pared back the bloat on the S8 and that screen, just draw dropping! The 3t is ok, but I hate the fingerprint scanner. Why did OP have to introduce their own method instead of using qualacoms. It takes several attempts some times to unlock the phone. Just dont like it at all!
xvitality said:
Hey guys, i'm currently looking into getting a 3t or s8 because i'm tired of having an iphone 6 for 2 years. Before the Iphone 6 I had the HTC One X, and then the HTC One m7. They were good phones but both spazzed out on me so I got rid of them. I'm looking into going back to android but I don't know if I should go with the s8 or 3t.. any suggestions? I know for the price the 3t is hard to beat, but i'm also a little worried about going ahead and getting one because the Oneplus 5 may be right around the corner...
thanks guys!
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If you like to change from one cage to another, take the S8 and pay a lot money for it... But if you like not to be a cagebird anymore, you have to choose the OP3T!!!
Don't make a mistake!
Cheers
Clark
Well there's really no contest here tbh. The S8 is obviously the superior phone. However, it also has the superior price... So it's really up to you how much you wanna spend. You won't be disappointed either way.
As long as you're in the us go with the the 3t. I love this phone, I'm going to stick with it til the 5/6 comes out then upgrade. Even if after his year they slow down with the updates to oos, I do believe with the 3 they will keep up with the security patches. I have flashed most if the roms in the forums and all of them are great as well. Allot of flexibility and the hardware/software combination is phenomenal in both performance and battery. I've had several htc's, lg's, and galaxy's and tbh I don't believe I will ever go back any of them as long as oneplus is in business. Even then I may try out a huawei or another chinese company as well. Bang for buck they seem to have it down very well in comparison to the bigger companies.
3T without a doubt
If I had those two devices in front of me so that I could go home with one of them, that would be 3T regardless of anything
Actually the only better feature of S8 is the display, but nothing more. OP beats the new Samsung in every aspect (not to mention software factor)
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3T without a doubt
If I had those two devices in front of me so that I could go home with one of them, that would be 3T regardless of anything
Actually the only better feature of S8 is the display, but nothing more. OP beats the new Samsung in every aspect (not to mention software factor)
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Better screen, better CPU, better GPU, wireless charging, better data/wifi speeds, way better camera, IP 6/8 (dust proof and water resistant), IRIS scanner, heart rate sensor.
Come on guys.. I love my 3T too but let's try to stay within the realms of reality here... The S8 crushes the 3T in everything except in charging speeds, software (with this one being subjective) and price. Where I'm from, an S8 plus will cost around the same as 2 Oneplus 3T's.
never go with samsung.
they fck up android so hard, everytime.
worst company when it comes to software. by far.
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Better screen, better CPU, better GPU, wireless charging, better data/wifi speeds, way better camera, IP 6/8 (dust proof and water resistant), IRIS scanner, heart rate sensor.
Come on guys.. I love my 3T too but let's try to stay within the realms of reality here... The S8 crushes the 3T in everything except in charging speeds, software (with this one being subjective) and price. Where I'm from, an S8 plus will cost around the same as 2 Oneplus 3T's.
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But it's Samsung
Their flagship will be obsolete in a year or so while we will still be getting independent developers' support. The device is only as good as its software.
My experience with Samsung is just horrible and their devices are just hyped up (like Apple products). If you want a really decent Android experience then definitely don't go that way.
I confess, I quite exaggerated speaking about the technical side of this all but as I said my story with Samsung is terrible and I really do think that their products are just bad.
xvitality said:
Hey guys, i'm currently looking into getting a 3t or s8 because i'm tired of having an iphone 6 for 2 years. Before the Iphone 6 I had the HTC One X, and then the HTC One m7. They were good phones but both spazzed out on me so I got rid of them. I'm looking into going back to android but I don't know if I should go with the s8 or 3t.. any suggestions? I know for the price the 3t is hard to beat, but i'm also a little worried about going ahead and getting one because the Oneplus 5 may be right around the corner...
thanks guys!
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Having used both the oneplus 3t and S7 edge , considering the fact that you went from HTC to iPhone i figure you would not want to fool around your phone with root and all . i therefore suggest going with s8 if you can afford . Like others have said and my personal experience touchwiz is not really that blotted (at least on the international variant ) and camera on the s7/s8 will stomp op3t any day not to mention the water and dust resistance and biggest of all if available Samsung pay !
notanoob said:
Having used both the oneplus 3t and S7 edge , considering the fact that you went from HTC to iPhone i figure you would not want to fool around your phone with root and all . i therefore suggest going with s8 if you can afford . Like others have said and my personal experience touchwiz is not really that blotted (at least on the international variant ) and camera on the s7/s8 will stomp op3t any day not to mention the water and dust resistance and biggest of all if available Samsung pay !
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eh I don't really care about samsung pay. I'll probably root it but I don't think i'll mess with flashing ROMs anymore like I did on my HTC's, if i do it won't be any time soon. I went ahead and got the 3t because I'm not really trying to spend $700.

should i buy?

hey i am currently on the market for a new phone, i currently have the google pixel xl and i love it, ive heard bad things about the 2xl though with all the problems it has and i dont like the fact that the s9+ is unrootable in america and the international version doesnt work on my carrier sprint because they only support cdma bands and the international version only supports the GSM bands and ive heard the OP6 is terrible from a lot of people so that really just leaves the note 8 but it doesnt seem like theres much as far as development goes for it
Veid71 said:
hey i am currently on the market for a new phone, i currently have the google pixel xl and i love it, ive heard bad things about the 2xl though with all the problems it has and i dont like the fact that the s9+ is unrootable in america and the international version doesnt work on my carrier sprint because they only support cdma bands and the international version only supports the GSM bands and ive heard the OP6 is terrible from a lot of people so that really just leaves the note 8 but it doesnt seem like theres much as far as development goes for it
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U.S. snapdragons are also bootloader locked, like the S9s. The international versions are not, and have lots of development in the roms section. Not sure they would work with Sprint either though.
sefrcoko said:
U.S. snapdragons are also bootloader locked, like the S9s. The international versions are not, and have lots of development in the roms section. Not sure they would work with Sprint either though.
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it makes me wonder though, if i can buy an unlocked phone then why are the bands different? shouldnt an unlocked phone be able to go to any carrier with both gsm and cdma?
Veid71 said:
it makes me wonder though, if i can buy an unlocked phone then why are the bands different? shouldnt an unlocked phone be able to go to any carrier with both gsm and cdma?
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I know what you mean, but I guess there are just different phones for different markets. If they are sim unlocked then all it means is that it is not locked to a particular carrier. It doesn't automatically guarantee that it will work with every carrier around the globe, or work in the exact same way. I believe the U.S. Snapdragons have CDMA (unlike Exynos), but I've never used Sprint so can't say for certain how that works. I can't see the Note 8 being different from the S9 in that regard.
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I know what you mean, but I guess there are just different phones for different markets. If they are sim unlocked then all it means is that it is not locked to a particular carrier. It doesn't automatically guarantee that it will work with every carrier around the globe, or work in the exact same way. I believe the U.S. Snapdragons have CDMA (unlike Exynos), but I've never used Sprint so can't say for certain how that works.
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yeah i just looked up their processors and it looks like snapdragon supports gsm and cdma but exynos doesnt support cdma atleast for the s9+ so im still stuck lol it looks like the note 8 you can root on the sprint version but i didnt see too much development for it is snapdragon just unrootable or do you think theyll find a way to root it? i really like the features and things of the s9+ but theres just such an untapped reservoir of potential with not rooting it
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yeah i just looked up their processors and it looks like snapdragon supports gsm and cdma but exynos doesnt support cdma atleast for the s9+ so im still stuck lol it looks like the note 8 you can root on the sprint version but i didnt see too much development for it is snapdragon just unrootable or do you think theyll find a way to root it? i really like the features and things of the s9+ but theres just such an untapped reservoir of potential with not rooting it
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I have an Exynos so I may be mistaken here, but to my knowledge the U.S. snapdragons were able to be rooted on Nougat (even with their locked bootloaders), but it's not possible at the moment on Oreo. That could change, but I don't know how likely (or unlikely) that is. Check out the SamFail thread for more info on root for Snapdragon.
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I have an Exynos so I may be mistaken here, but to my knowledge the U.S. snapdragons were able to be rooted on Nougat (even with their locked bootloaders), but it's not possible at the moment on Oreo. That could change, but I don't know how likely (or unlikely) that is. Check out the SamFail thread for more info on root for Snapdragon.
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the s9+ can be rooted? ill check it out
I am starting to consider the Note 8 as well. I had a Note 3, loved it, had an S7 Edge for a couple years but recently sold that and picked up a Pixel 2 XL. In my case the 2 XL is a great phone, it's fast, stock android is great, but it continually drops the Bluetooth connection to my Gear S3 frontier which is maddening. The S7 Edge was rock solid and never once dropped the connection to the watch, the 2 XL has dropped the connection at least half a dozen times today alone.
$200 off currently on an unlocked Note 8 has me seriously considering returning the 2 XL as I am still within the 30 day return period.
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the s9+ can be rooted? ill check it out
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I don't know about the s9, I was speaking about the note 8.
The most important reason to buy a note series device should be the s pen, in your case, I believe that the spen is not the main reason, so, I would sugest to you to get another device
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I am starting to consider the Note 8 as well. I had a Note 3, loved it, had an S7 Edge for a couple years but recently sold that and picked up a Pixel 2 XL. In my case the 2 XL is a great phone, it's fast, stock android is great, but it continually drops the Bluetooth connection to my Gear S3 frontier which is maddening. The S7 Edge was rock solid and never once dropped the connection to the watch, the 2 XL has dropped the connection at least half a dozen times today alone.
$200 off currently on an unlocked Note 8 has me seriously considering returning the 2 XL as I am still within the 30 day return period.
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I've actually just today considering trading my Unlocked Note 8 for the Google Pixel XL 2 but it didn't go through as planned. I'm really interested in the great camera on the XL 2 and I'd like to try the stock Android experience. Do you only have Bluetooth issues on the gear s3? I have the Fitbit Ionic and use Bluetooth in my truck so if there's a serious Bluetooth issue I'm not so sure anymore. I had the same Bluetooth issues on the LG V20 which is why I got the Note 8.
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I've actually just today considering trading my Unlocked Note 8 for the Google Pixel XL 2 but it didn't go through as planned. I'm really interested in the great camera on the XL 2 and I'd like to try the stock Android experience. Do you only have Bluetooth issues on the gear s3? I have the Fitbit Ionic and use Bluetooth in my truck so if there's a serious Bluetooth issue I'm not so sure anymore. I had the same Bluetooth issues on the LG V20 which is why I got the Note 8.
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Honestly, as much as I love the Pixel 2 XL, the camera is great and stock Android is exactly what I had hoped (no junk apps, nothing I can't remove if I don't want it etc.) the Bluetooth issues are seriously frustrating. What is doubly annoying is that on Monday for example, it disconnected from my Gear S3 at least half a dozen times, but yesterday did not disconnect a single time. If you take a look though, BT connectivity issues definitely plague the 2XL, take a look at this thread for example, started in October last year: https://productforums.google.com/fo...!msg/phone-by-google/-lpPfDGvkNw/hzLdYStbAgAJ As you can see, it is still ongoing and covers all sorts of devices.
I am kind of stuck really, part of me wants to return the phone because I use the Gear S3 far more than I ever expected, taking calls on it is handy if I am in the garage for example and don't have my phone on me, my work calendar syncs to it which is great for quickly checking in the morning on my meetings etc. But, on the flip side the phone is so fast and smooth, that I really enjoy using it.
Overall how do you like the Note 8? I loved my Note 3, one of my favorite phones to date.
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Honestly, as much as I love the Pixel 2 XL, the camera is great and stock Android is exactly what I had hoped (no junk apps, nothing I can't remove if I don't want it etc.) the Bluetooth issues are seriously frustrating. What is doubly annoying is that on Monday for example, it disconnected from my Gear S3 at least half a dozen times, but yesterday did not disconnect a single time. If you take a look though, BT connectivity issues definitely plague the 2XL, take a look at this thread for example, started in October last year: https://productforums.google.com/fo...!msg/phone-by-google/-lpPfDGvkNw/hzLdYStbAgAJ As you can see, it is still ongoing and covers all sorts of devices.
I am kind of stuck really, part of me wants to return the phone because I use the Gear S3 far more than I ever expected, taking calls on it is handy if I am in the garage for example and don't have my phone on me, my work calendar syncs to it which is great for quickly checking in the morning on my meetings etc. But, on the flip side the phone is so fast and smooth, that I really enjoy using it.
Overall how do you like the Note 8? I loved my Note 3, one of my favorite phones to date.
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Thank you for your honesty. I did further research and I found many saying my $300 Fitbit Ionic watch isn't compatible with the Pixel 2 XL, so I'm glad I didn't trade my device yet. The only device I wouldn't mind trading for is the S9+ because I know there won't be any issues with compatibility.
Buy an iphone
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Thank you for your honesty. I did further research and I found many saying my $300 Fitbit Ionic watch isn't compatible with the Pixel 2 XL, so I'm glad I didn't trade my device yet. The only device I wouldn't mind trading for is the S9+ because I know there won't be any issues with compatibility.
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No problem, I wish I had known about the Bluetooth issue before getting my 2XL. I had heard there were some issues but was not expecting it to be quite so extensive. Annoyingly, I may be stuck with the phone as I am a few days outside the 15-day return window, which will leave me just hoping for a fix.
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Buy an iphone
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Buy an iphone
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You sellin?

Why buy Samsung ?

I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?
For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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Same here lol
Btw, you should try this company, they are offering free cases for s10
https://armadillotek.com/
garyHal said:
For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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I actually love my Pixel 3Xl and got tired of Samsung taking 6 + months to update the phones to new OS. After owning every generation of Note, I got tired of no root and locked down bootloaders. Despite the great screens, I'm staying on the pixel side.
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First thing is that I love the Galaxy series.
Why Samsung??
All I am gonna do is just browse through Internet,social media, capture some decent looking pictures and I need phone with a display which is best in industry and has a great design and build quality.
When I think of all these the only thing that comes to my mind is the Galaxy series. I agree that OP phones are faster than the galaxy series but when it comes design and build samsung is well better.
Best quality display is keeping the samsung unique in the market. Viewing angles is great in samsung displays. Especially in camera it has variable aperture and a super slow motion. And still it has a headphone jack and micro SD slot.
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I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?
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Samsung devices are not, the provider branded versions are, but that is equally true of all branded devices.
The Samsung Device that would be in the $1100 price range is going to be light years more advanced in power, storage, and just tech in general than the $600 one from OnePlus. Now if you Compare the $600 Samsung device to the $600 OnePlus device then you getting closer, but the Samsung device is still going to be more advanced, the gap just will not be nearly as big.
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I actually love my Pixel 3Xl and got tired of Samsung taking 6 + months to update the phones to new OS. After owning every generation of Note, I got tired of no root and locked down bootloaders. Despite the great screens, I'm staying on the pixel side.
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Samsung doesn't take that long, unless it is a rather old phone. The people taking that long are the Wireless providers who take their sweet time removing all the good stuff and adding different bloatware.
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I really wish that Samsung would just start getting some of their CDMA radios from Intel, that way we could get an Exynos chipset with an unlockable bootloader that is easily useable on Verizon and Sprint.
Kaliaila said:
Samsung devices are not, the provider branded versions are, but that is equally true of all branded devices.
The Samsung Device that would be in the $1100 price range is going to be light years more advanced in power, storage, and just tech in general than the $600 one from OnePlus. Now if you Compare the $600 Samsung device to the $600 OnePlus device then you getting closer, but the Samsung device is still going to be more advanced, the gap just will not be nearly as big.
Samsung doesn't take that long, unless it is a rather old phone. The people taking that long are the Wireless providers who take their sweet time removing all the good stuff and adding different bloatware.
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I really wish that Samsung would just start getting some of their CDMA radios from Intel, that way we could get an Exynos chipset with an unlockable bootloader that is easily useable on Verizon and Sprint.
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I beg to differ from you. While preliminary versions of Android Q are already being worked on and tested in the wild, my Note 8 still sits on Oreo. I know there is an unofficial version of Pie for it, but not the official version yet . This is over 7 months after Pie was released. I've had every note that came out except the original. I bought my Note 8 on day 1 when it came out and paid about $950 after taxes. It was by no means a cheap device at the time. At the time, people who had unlocked exynox versions were upset because their updates which were supposed to come directly from Samsung were taking even longer than the carrier ones. Read up on it. Samsung + carrier delays are horrendous. IMO, It's embarrassing that what was once considered their top device would take 7+ months to receive an official software update.
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I beg to differ from you. While preliminary versions of Android Q are already being worked on and tested in the wild, my Note 8 still sits on Oreo. I know there is an unofficial version of Pie for it, but not the official version yet . This is over 7 months after Pie was released. I've had every note that came out except the original. I bought my Note 8 on day 1 when it came out and paid about $950 after taxes. It was by no means a cheap device at the time. At the time, people who had unlocked exynox versions were upset because their updates which were supposed to come directly from Samsung were taking even longer than the carrier ones. Read up on it. Samsung + carrier delays are horrendous. IMO, It's embarrassing that what was once considered their top device would take 7+ months to receive an official software update.
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The Note 9 came out with Oreo as well as pretty much all the other myriad Samsung phones in that same release year. The Note 8 getting Pie only 6 months (the global Samsung release is this month) after Pie is officially released is impressive given the number of phones ahead of it. If your phone is not getting it this month it is due to the branding of your phone and that wireless provider holding it up.
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Global release means nothing if only a few people get it or only a few versions of the phone get it at that time. The point I'm making is that IMO it's pathetic Samsung takes even 6 months to update the OS on a phone that was a flagship when it came out a bit over a year ago. The Note 9 is all they care about right now since it's the latest one out but soon enough once they have your money, they'll care only about the S10. IMO, Samsung has an obligation to upgrade phones quickly and timely, specially on devices they charged nearly 1k and were/had flagship status when released. Meanwhile, phones like the Essential (practically unknown and on sale for $239 on Amazon get it on the day is released by Google). I clearly get the concept of skins added on to the OS to provide extra features which adds to testing time etc... but IMO 6 month + is a pathetic timeline for a flagship phone. As per your thinking, I suggest Samsung adds a disclaimer to the box of a new phone which states "Due to the impressive number of phones made ahead of yours, updates will come on this flagship 6+ months after the official release date". I wonder how many people would buy it if they came clear and admitted it? As much as I love Samsung (proof is that I've owned almost every note), I do not excuse their shortcomings when it comes to OS updates.
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Samsung offer a lot more hardware than a OnePlus. Waterproofing, headphone jack, heart rate scanner, better cooling/heatsink. Also wireless charging, MST payment (very useful in Asian countries where NFC payments are non existent), better screen, better camera.
I have owned both OnePlus(3) and Samsung (Note 8) devices. In general, I have observed that the Note 8 receives monthly updates which are extremely stable. Whereas OnePlus has released half baked updates (like 7.0 for OP3) followed by hotfixes.
Honestly, if OnePlus for still around the 450$ price, it would be unbeatable.
Edit: Forgot pressure sensitive home button.
Apple updates its iOS software incrementally over the year until a revamp of the operating system is released before new iPhones come out in September. The same can also be said of Android where the operating system gets a new refresh once a year. Two different O/S ecosystems, two different O/S update systems. You can't make everyone happy.
LOS support "forever".
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Well no more with s10...
The galaxy S10 is actually cheaper than the 2017's iPhone X in my country :/
We can pre order it for 929$ with a free galaxy watch and a free wireless charger, while the iPhone X is for 950$+
Also the apple "lower end" iPhone XR is more expensive than the S10...
I am talking about the regular S10, not the S10 plus or the S10e.
Samsung offers more than apple and is still cheaper, it offers more than any android phone also. They have everything you can ask for in a smartphone.
garyHal said:
For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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New iphones and ipad screens are pretty dang amazing. I didnt think so till my wife won the latest gen ipad pro at work in a contest. The screen is by far superior to any samsung tablet or phone I have seen.
To me there is no other brand other than Samsung - 0 competition. Sammy has everything in one device and that's why I love them. You don't need to have the latest Android update right away as many features are already existent in the device even if it's on an older software version. Best screen, best camera, has headphone jack, ultrasonic fp scanner, super premium build, amazing hardware. List goes on, I'm just waiting for them to get rid of the hole(s) and will get that Note (10 or 11 hopefully).
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To me there is no other brand other than Samsung - 0 competition. Sammy has everything in one device and that's why I love them. You don't need to have the latest Android update right away as many features are already existent in the device even if it's on an older software version. Best screen, best camera, has headphone jack, ultrasonic fp scanner, super premium build, amazing hardware. List goes on, I'm just waiting for them to get rid of the hole(s) and will get that Note (10 or 11 hopefully).
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Note 10 is a definite no. The Note 10 will be pretty much the S10 with a slightly larger screen and S-Pen goodies. They've never strayed too far from the S line when it comes to the Note. It's bigger, more powerful, etc. but it usually doesn't stray far from the S version of its year.
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I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?
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1st off I always buy the unlocked version of the latest Galaxy S phone so I do not have all the nasty bloatware which comes from the carriers. The unlocked versions are very clean.
Regarding price, I'm looking at pre-ordering the S10+ for $999 (It will end up costing me $599 after trading in my old phone + using a gift card from xmas) Yes it will be the most I've ever paid for a new phone, but Samsung screens cannot be beat. I love the triple camera (which just received the highest camera rating of any cell phone from DXO - tied with Huawei Mate 20), ultrasonic FP reader, headphone jack, SD card slot, waterproofing, wireless charging, and pre-orders are coming with free Samsung AirPods. I also really like the automatic 42% blue light reduction. That should help alleviate some eye strain. I like that the Sammy AirPods can charge wirelessly by simply setting the case on the back of the phone.
Having said all that, I am disappointed the S10 has only increased the charge rate by 29%. I was hoping for something closer to 100%. That is one area where I feel other phones like OnePlus and Huawei have an advantage in charging speed.
In any case, I will pre-order the S10+, but in the future I will certainly be watching carefully the OnePlus 7, MI 9, and other high end but less expensive phones.
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New iphones and ipad screens are pretty dang amazing. I didnt think so till my wife won the latest gen ipad pro at work in a contest. The screen is by far superior to any samsung tablet or phone I have seen.
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???... I hope u know that those screens are from Samsung... but nice try

Galaxy s10 plus vs 6T...thoughts?

Based off of what we know so far is there anyone contemplating acquiring this phone over the beloved 6T?
Pre ordering Monday for sure [emoji16]
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coming from s7 to op6t, i would say:
if you're planning to switch to samsung, buy s9/s9+. otherwise stay on op6t.
since you're here, you know what custom roms are. and if you're a cfw-lover (AOSP/LOS-based) like me, you cant switch to a newer samsung phone because it will takes a half/whole year (#ExynosSux).
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coming from s7 to op6t, i would say:
if you're planning to switch to samsung, buy s9/s9+. otherwise stay on op6t.
since you're here, you know what custom roms are. and if you're a cfw-lover (AOSP/LOS-based) like me, you cant switch to a newer samsung phone because it will takes a half/whole year (#ExynosSux).
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I have had the Note 8, S9, S9+ and the Note 9 already and I really don't mess with changing ROMS any longer so for me those things you mentioned aren't a really big factor me. But I can appreciate your feedback!
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I have had the Note 8, S9, S9+ and the Note 9 already and I really don't mess with changing ROMS any longer so for me those things you mentioned aren't a really big factor me. But I can appreciate your feedback!
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so then go for it. Its a good phone. For me not so much difference to the s9/+ but still a sammy phone (myself a sammy fanboy / ive had s2, s3, Note 2 ,s5, s7)
I had the Note, 1,2,4,7,8 and galaxy S6 and galaxy s6 edge. Somewhere in between I had the Axon 7 after the Note 7 debacle.
I have to say I have not loved a phone like my first smartphone the iPhone 3g and the original phablet the Dell Streak.
All that has changed once I got the OnePlus 6T. This phone is great and most of all the software experience is top notch. I hated the Samsung phones always slown down after time. I am glad I made the change to the OnePlus. If I upgrade this year it will be to the OnePlus 7T. :laugh:
Only to be outdone by some other phone in 2-3 months, then THAT phone will be outdone in 2-3 months and so on.
If you have the OP6T, or pretty much any phone in the last couple of years, and, you haven't jacked it up by screwing
with something you don't know how to do, and it is working properly, why waste your money on a SMALL improvement
in performance, that 99% of users won't see, unless they are stuck in benchmarks.
Ummm..... This device has it's own forum already. So why don't you go post these questions there instead.
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Nope.
Hole in the screen of the plus is worse than a notch.
The price is outrageous.
It's Samsung and you won't get updates.
It's Samsung and they don't like unlocked BL.
Finally, it's Samsung.
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Nope.
Hole in the screen of the plus is worse than a notch.
The price is outrageous.
It's Samsung and you won't get updates.
It's Samsung and they don't like unlocked BL.
Finally, it's Samsung.
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LMAO....ok then!
I came to the 6T from an S9+. I have no regrets at all!
I had the first Galaxy S. Felt completely let down by Samsung's so called upgrades that made the phone less and less usable. I swore to never get a Samsung, so no, not getting one
I always hated Samsung but the new UI is rather nice.
Had the S7 Edge while the specs were nice the OS is still garbage and waiting 6 months for Major update after it's pushed to AOSP it a joke.. Especially when you pay top $..
And Exynos is inferior to SnapDragon + basically any dev support for the SoC sucks..
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It's a hard no for me. That hole punch that cuts into videos and of course the price tag. I'd go back to the S9 or G7 or V40.
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Nope.
Hole in the screen of the plus is worse than a notch.
The price is outrageous.
It's Samsung and you won't get updates.
It's Samsung and they don't like unlocked BL.
Finally, it's Samsung.
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Basically my thoughts lol.
Same old. Nothing really new or exciting . anything good will be on most of the phones this year anyway . And the double cut out is horrible. Much worse than a teardrop notch
The camera takes good photos based off people opinions, I like the different colored backs, fingerprint scanner is interesting, the camera punch is an interesting take on the notch (would be painful to see it during full screen video), price is outrageous, 1tb of storage only supported on certain devices (and is it really needed), and the One UI I could get into. The price alone will keep me away from it, although I am tempted to trade in my iPhone X for it.
Really interested in the fold. The concept of having a foldable tablet captures my attention but will see what other companies come up with and life cycle of a niche product.
Anytime you want to buy something new you might want to ask yourself:
1: Do I need it?
2: Is it worth it (usually involves money)?
3: What i am ok with if I look the other way?
Thank me later if you can answer on this 3 simple questions. Some people are hard fans some people haters. People in the middle go to OnePlus lol which brings them back to that circle anyway because they become fans or haters and there are people in the middle. I call it "circle of lifetime death". Whatever you go with it should be important to you only because in the end you are the one who will be using it.
I have been OnePlus user since day 1 (OnePlus One) because they made affordable devices and currently I am using 6T. For my own perspective I do like the new Samsung S10 line but it is not really worth the money for me.
Does it come with a lanyard to put through that hole so you can carry your phone with it?
Oh nevermind that's for the camera.
The hole punch design is the worst thing ever, it just looks so out of place.

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