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What other devices/oem are you considering if Samsung locked all bootloaders?

What other devices are you considering if Samsung continues upping security and locking down their phones. (Lets says all Samsung devices snapdragon and exynos had locked bootloaders)
Working in IT in the Mobile realm I can definitely see the impact that Samsung Knox and Samsung’s focus on security is having. Samsung is pushing it very hard and this lets them maintain dominance on enterprise as far as the android side is concerned. However, to our (xda community) detriment these security features and components are lost when we root. Notwithstanding I was fine with loosing Samsung pay and Knox. It looks like with newer Samsung devices and updates Samsung is really ramping up. I have always been a fan of the Note series and switched to an S7 edge to wait for the Note 7. After the Note 7’s demise I decided to switch to the s8 Plus until the Note 8 was coming out. With recent news on new bootloaders preventing downgrades and bricking devices, Note 8’s having encrypted CSC’s disallowing modification and I’m assuming when Oreo comes out for these devices more security features and processes will leave rooters out in the cold. I was surprised to see the new “feature” Samsung added with the OEM unlock toggle being removed on users devices and them being in “Jail” for several days. I can only assume the s9 and maybe with Oreo updates on older Samsung devices they will also be getting this “Enhancement”. So, it seems to me the days of rooting and enhancing your device are limited at best. Rebooting your phone and being locked out doesn’t seem very appealing to me. Anyway, not to ramble I’m curious what other manufacturers are contenders for some of Samsung’s modding community users. There are very limited manufacturers who are open to their devices being modified. I’ve stuck with Samsung so long because of their cameras and superb hardware and features but now I’m left wondering can I run a stock Samsung device and all the crap T-Mobile and other carriers load on it. I was reading and some users flashing unlocked firmware on their carrier devices were getting bricked with the new bootloader so no help there. What devices would you consider if you consider if in the future if say CDMA was no longer needed and Samsung ran exynos for all their products and they locked the bootloaders. Would you still use a Samsung unrooted or what manufacture would you jump to?
I’m actually holding off from a Note 8 until I see what the Oreo update brings and what else changes and is locked down. The encrypted CSC's also disallow for enabling some core features T-Mobile disables on their version.

When OnePlus finally starts having the premium features as other flagships do. Goodbye Samsung!

Im probably gunna go essential 2 or pixel 3 xl(if its made by htc or inhouse google)

me2151 said:
Im probably gunna go essential 2 or pixel 3 xl(if its made by htc or inhouse google)
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Surprised your not scared of pixel. That screen controversy was pretty bad. LG makes there screens. I am familiar with LG quality issues. My last two LGs had bad burn in and other issues with screen.
Essential I know nothing about. But phone is looking promising from the lil I read.

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Surprised your not scared of pixel. That screen controversy was pretty bad. LG makes there screens. I am familiar with LG quality issues. My last two LGs had bad burn in and other issues with screen.
Essential I know nothing about. But phone is looking promising from the lil I read.
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I AM scared of LG garbage. If any part of it is LG on the p3XL im not getting it. Some of my dev friends got the essential and they said its their absolute favorite phone so far.

Would most likely stay with Samsung because rooting apart from theming doesn't add much to the Phone imho. It's good and all, some features yeah they suck but I can glance over them because the whole package is good.
If they'd however harden the ability to sideload apps, I'd definitely jump ship to an iPhone.
Inb4 the Apple haters:
OP asked for opinions, don't cry about an iPhone being mentioned.

me2151 said:
I AM scared of LG garbage. If any part of it is LG on the p3XL im not getting it. Some of my dev friends got the essential and they said its their absolute favorite phone so far.
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Yeah stay away from anything LG. Only phone that LG actually makes good is V30. They do make excellent audio in devices. I doubt google uses LG screens in next pixel. Hopefully they hit up Samsung. Now that company knows how to make a good screen.
Now you seem to know more about essential phone. Is it better then OnePlus? In terms of features and Rom/root community size?

Nick216ohio said:
When OnePlus finally starts having the premium features as other flagships do. Goodbye Samsung!
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Yeah, looking at videos on the 5t now. If I had to choose right now it would probably be oneplus.
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Im probably gunna go essential 2 or pixel 3 xl(if its made by htc or inhouse google)
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Hmm I hadn't thought about essential. Need a larger device from them. Played with a Pixel 2 xl at work and its ok. Screen was the worst part.
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I AM scared of LG garbage. If any part of it is LG on the p3XL im not getting it. Some of my dev friends got the essential and they said its their absolute favorite phone so far.
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Thanks for the input.
SaadatM said:
Would most likely stay with Samsung because rooting apart from theming doesn't add much to the Phone imho. It's good and all, some features yeah they suck but I can glance over them because the whole package is good.
If they'd however harden the ability to sideload apps, I'd definitely jump ship to an iPhone.
Inb4 the Apple haters:
OP asked for opinions, don't cry about an iPhone being mentioned.
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I really like root for blocking ads and viper4android. When I play with non root phones I can't belive all the advertisements.
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naruto.ninjakid said:
Yeah, looking at videos on the 5t now. If I had to choose right now it would probably be oneplus. Hmm I hadn't thought about essential. Need a larger device from them. Played with a Pixel 2 xl at work and its ok. Screen was the worst part. Thanks for the input. I really like root for blocking ads and viper4android. When I play with non root phones I can't belive all the advertisements.
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OnePlus amount of Roms is breathtaking. There's good non root apps for blocking ads.

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naruto.ninjakid said:
Yeah, looking at videos on the 5t now. If I had to choose right now it would probably be oneplus. Hmm I hadn't thought about essential. Need a larger device from them. Played with a Pixel 2 xl at work and its ok. Screen was the worst part. Thanks for the input. I really like root for blocking ads and viper4android. When I play with non root phones I can't belive all the advertisements.
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Understandable, I loved V4A too!
For the adblocking:
You could use Ad-Block/ AdHell to block the ads, completely rootless.
Or what I'd personally recommend (And keep in mind, I'm no rich guy) is DisconnectPro. It is costly at 25€ once, but it sure as hell blocks all advertisements or remotely any ad activity.
Works well inside YouTube too, so it's basically ad-free.
Might give that a go, you can find it inside Samsug's store!

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OnePlus amount of Roms is breathtaking. There's good non root apps for blocking ads.
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I've tried the VPN adblocks but none of them work as well as adaway. Good suggestions though.
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SaadatM said:
Understandable, I loved V4A too!
For the adblocking:
You could use Ad-Block/ AdHell to block the ads, completely rootless.
Or what I'd personally recommend (And keep in mind, I'm no rich guy) is DisconnectPro. It is costly at 25€ once, but it sure as hell blocks all advertisements or remotely any ad activity.
Works well inside YouTube too, so it's basically ad-free.
Might give that a go, you can find it inside Samsug's store!
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Never been stock so have not tried disconnect pro. I belive it uses Knox? I hate the US carriers disabling features such as the spam caller ID since they want to sell their own product. I used to use csc to enable this but with new encrypted csc this is not possible.
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I've tried the VPN adblocks but none of them work as well as adaway. Good suggestions though.
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Yeah definitely not better then adaway. Best 1 I've used so far adguard.

probably stick with samsung
i've no longer have any interest to root plus after setting up samsung pay, you cant really go back
not sure why but this is the first android device i've own in the past 5 years that i've no intentions to root at all
nougat + samsung OEM just felt so complete as an android system

After seeing the OEM unlock crap happen on the exynos Note 8 i went and got a pixel 2 XL.
Although admittedly I am a big fan of samsung and have owned a ton of their devices i will not spend my money on device that i cant do what I want with.
sent from my Pixel 2 XL or Note FE

I will most likely still stick with the Note line, I rooted and ROMd my 2/3/4 notes but haven't felt any real need to do so with the Note 8, I might at a later stage just for fun but only because I have two of them

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I will most likely still stick with the Note line, I rooted and ROMd my 2/3/4 notes but haven't felt any real need to do so with the Note 8, I might at a later stage just for fun but only because I have two of them
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I agree that root isnt as necessary as it used to be but its more the principle of it.
If im dropping $1200 or more (im in Canada) on a device i will be damned if i dont have total control over it.
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I'll go with Nokia Flashlight and it's fantastic 2 weeks battery life

Cristiano Matos said:
I'll go with Nokia Flashlight and it's fantastic 2 weeks battery life
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screen is a bit small for porn though

Hello.
I am rooting my all phones starting from nokia 5700 xpress music.(Although it wasnt android, i used to install python and other stuffs).
My last phone was OP2. I rooted that too for screen calibration, cpu throttling, speaker volume, camera and viper.
Honesty i miss viper on note8. Apart from this i didnt found any other reason to root this device while using from last 2 months. Please remember if you root this phone or any other secured phone, you loose knox or other secure feature including payment othions like samsung pay.
I am using Exynos device and pretty much happy with all the performance.

Pixel XL to Note 9?

Its been awhile since I have been on here or even really messed with a phone. I currently have a Pixel XL and its time to upgrade. Ive been tossing around the ideas of either the Note 9 or the XL 3. I love the camera of the og pixel and the pure android on it. I know the camera is as good on the note 9 but is there a way to do pure android either by rom or something else? The other scenario I may do is hold out for the galaxy s10 which is a few months away. Thanks for any input.

No there's no "pure Android" for the Note 9 series. You won't be able to bootloader unlock or root (unless you get the international Exynos version, but then you lose so many great Samsung features). I don't believe there's any vanilla Android ROMs for the Exynos version either.
You could hold out for the S10, but why? There's ALWAYS another flagship device right around the corner. And it likely won't be that much of an upgrade over the Note 9. I could be wrong though. I love the S-Pen too much to care.
I was a Nexus/Pixel fanboy too. I had three OG Pixel XL, then decided to try the Galaxy S8+ and loved it. Samsung Pay, Samsung Pass. Great build quality and that beautiful screen. Then I upgraded to a Note 8 and fell in love with the S-Pen.
I bought a Pixel 2XL to try out Android Pie and stock Android again, and I enjoyed it for about a week, and I began wishing it were more like my Note. So I sold it and got a Note 9 instead. Couldn't be happier.

bjballar41 said:
Its been awhile since I have been on here or even really messed with a phone. I currently have a Pixel XL and its time to upgrade. Ive been tossing around the ideas of either the Note 9 or the XL 3. I love the camera of the og pixel and the pure android on it. I know the camera is as good on the note 9 but is there a way to do pure android either by rom or something else? The other scenario I may do is hold out for the galaxy s10 which is a few months away. Thanks for any input.
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Well first of all you have to ask yourself, are you going to use the spen? Because if you do, end of conversation, I myself changed my note 8 for the s9 plus because I thought that I wouldn't miss the spen, oh boy was I wrong. The spen is that feature that you think you are not going to use a lot, but the truth is, when you have it, you use it. Right now I have the note 9 and I guess I'll stay with it at least untill note 10 or further.
As for the stock rom I don't think so. Right now I'm using the Rootless pixel launcher and it's been good so far. Aesthetic of stock but with the perks of Samsung experience

I use to always have Samsung phone the last being note 5 then I went to the pixel XL. It's been a great phone with zero complaints till recently the battery hasn't been the best. I always hated the bloatware u get on Samsung phones and that's another worry. Does anyone have a Verizon version? Can you get rid of them like the pixel does?

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I use to always have Samsung phone the last being note 5 then I went to the pixel XL. It's been a great phone with zero complaints till recently the battery hasn't been the best. I always hated the bloatware u get on Samsung phones and that's another worry. Does anyone have a Verizon version? Can you get rid of them like the pixel does?
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I have a Verizon one and flashed the U1 firmware. That will give you the cleanest install. You can uninstall nearly all the bloat and disable the rest with a package disabler or AdHell3. It won't be pure android but Samsung has come a long way since the Note 5. I had the Pixel 2 XL for about a week and ran back to my old Note8. There is no comparison to the build quality and the cameras both have their good and bad.

Misterxtc said:
I have a Verizon one and flashed the U1 firmware. That will give you the cleanest install. You can uninstall nearly all the bloat and disable the rest with a package disabler or AdHell3. It won't be pure android but Samsung has come a long way since the Note 5. I had the Pixel 2 XL for about a week and ran back to my old Note8. There is no comparison to the build quality and the cameras both have their good and bad.
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I haven't flashed or anything in probably 6 years lol so I wouldn't even know where to start on that stuff.

bjballar41 said:
Its been awhile since I have been on here or even really messed with a phone. I currently have a Pixel XL and its time to upgrade. Ive been tossing around the ideas of either the Note 9 or the XL 3. I love the camera of the og pixel and the pure android on it. I know the camera is as good on the note 9 but is there a way to do pure android either by rom or something else? The other scenario I may do is hold out for the galaxy s10 which is a few months away. Thanks for any input.
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I just went from pixel 2 xl to note 9. I had all Nexus and pixel phones in past. This is my first Samsung phone. And I must say I love it. The hardware is just gorgeous. The display is so damn nice too.
This is the first phone I haven't rooted. So I debloated almost all Samsung apps through adb. Disabled all the Samsung cloud storage and bixpy. I love the note 9 now. It's so fast. Has a ton of extra features that the pixel 3 xl does not have.
Only downside is camera. Pixel 2xl camera was so good and simple. Back camera on note is real good sometimes. Front camera is trash.
Samsung gave me $400 off instant trade in of pixel 2xl so I cancelled my pixel 3 xl order (Google would only give $325 wtf). Glad I did. Played with the 3 xl in Verizon and I made the right choice going 9
Can't wait for the note 10. There some sweet hardware rumors going around with it.

bjballar41 said:
I haven't flashed or anything in probably 6 years lol so I wouldn't even know where to start on that stuff.
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I've posted this a few times already in the general section but go here for the firmware but the download is slow if you don't have a premium account. Pick your carrier from the list and the next page is the download page. On there is a great set of instructions to follow.

Misterxtc said:
I've posted this a few times already in the general section but go here for the firmware but the download is slow if you don't have a premium account. Pick your carrier from the list and the next page is the download page. On there is a great set of instructions to follow.
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I assume just download straight to your phone?

bjballar41 said:
I assume just download straight to your phone?
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No a windows PC. Download Odin as per the instructions and the firmware file to your PC. Hopefully you don't use Linux or Mac because I'm not sure if those are supported anymore.

Misterxtc said:
No a windows PC. Download Odin as per the instructions and the firmware file to your PC. Hopefully you don't use Linux or Mac because I'm not sure if those are supported anymore.
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Na I use PC. If I get it I'll check it out. Sunday will be my decision on the best deal between the two. They are both just so close.

N9

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Yup, I agree. I've checked the Pixel 3 XL in the store, watched lots of review videos and check the forums regularly. The only thing I see better is the camera even there it isn't by much. Definitely not worth ditching the Note 9 for.

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Yup, I agree. I've checked the Pixel 3 XL in the store, watched lots of review videos and check the forums regularly. The only thing I see better is the camera even there it isn't by much. Definitely not worth ditching the Note 9 for.
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I was considering get the OP 6T but the N9 is better on everything, my wife has the 6t is a good Phone but not like the N9 so just I ordered a N9 Las Friday is on my way I'm still have the N8 ?

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I was considering get the OP 6T but the N9 is better on everything, my wife has the 6t is a good Phone but not like the N9 so just I ordered a N9 Las Friday is on my way I'm still have the N8 ?
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Yeah I bought the n9 two weeks ago. Almost bought the 6t since I can finally get one on Verizon. But the n9 literally does everything and does everything very well. I need the LED notification light and 6t got rid of it...my next phone will prob be the N10

I would notch go with the Pixel, they don't even have a headphone jack anymore.

I had the one plus 6t for two days and exchanged it for the note 9. Yeah it's almost stock Android and yes it's fast but when you are so use to having everything plus the kitchen sink it's super hard to just deal with the basics. The phone's battery is better the camera is better the screen is better the speakers is better the vibration motor is better and overall the hardware is just way better than the 6t. Yes it's more money but it's definitely worth it, and as far as speed the note 9 is lightening fast. The main difference when it does come to speed is maybe load up times when it comes to games but honestly nothing that's going to stick out unless you have the phone's side by side. Also the 6t better pretty hot when using some basic apps which is weird and the fingerprint scanner can is alot of work. Note 9 all the way

androidkid27 said:
I had the one plus 6t for two days and exchanged it for the note 9. Yeah it's almost stock Android and yes it's fast but when you are so use to having everything plus the kitchen sink it's super hard to just deal with the basics. The phone's battery is better the camera is better the screen is better the speakers is better the vibration motor is better and overall the hardware is just way better than the 6t. Yes it's more money but it's definitely worth it, and as far as speed the note 9 is lightening fast. The main difference when it does come to speed is maybe load up times when it comes to games but honestly nothing that's going to stick out unless you have the phone's side by side. Also the 6t better pretty hot when using some basic apps which is weird and the fingerprint scanner can is alot of work. Note 9 all the way
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Nice good to hear and glad I decided against it and stayed with my n9. I can't wait for pie on the n9. Hopefully it's soon. The gesture nav looks so much better than pixel nav. I may actually use it
If the note 9 could just get a decent Google camera port it be perfect.

I'd prefer the Note 9. Not a fan of not having a microSD Card slot.

Well good choice guys. Had a S9 plus 256g and was due a upgrade so oreded the new huawei mate 20 pro and missed Samsung experience as soon the phone was on. Funny is the one thing lots of people don't like its the one I love. So got the note 9 512gb. Ups

Galaxy s10 plus vs 6T...thoughts?

Based off of what we know so far is there anyone contemplating acquiring this phone over the beloved 6T?

Pre ordering Monday for sure [emoji16]
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coming from s7 to op6t, i would say:
if you're planning to switch to samsung, buy s9/s9+. otherwise stay on op6t.
since you're here, you know what custom roms are. and if you're a cfw-lover (AOSP/LOS-based) like me, you cant switch to a newer samsung phone because it will takes a half/whole year (#ExynosSux).

lladwein said:
coming from s7 to op6t, i would say:
if you're planning to switch to samsung, buy s9/s9+. otherwise stay on op6t.
since you're here, you know what custom roms are. and if you're a cfw-lover (AOSP/LOS-based) like me, you cant switch to a newer samsung phone because it will takes a half/whole year (#ExynosSux).
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I have had the Note 8, S9, S9+ and the Note 9 already and I really don't mess with changing ROMS any longer so for me those things you mentioned aren't a really big factor me. But I can appreciate your feedback!

gthmcty1 said:
I have had the Note 8, S9, S9+ and the Note 9 already and I really don't mess with changing ROMS any longer so for me those things you mentioned aren't a really big factor me. But I can appreciate your feedback!
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so then go for it. Its a good phone. For me not so much difference to the s9/+ but still a sammy phone (myself a sammy fanboy / ive had s2, s3, Note 2 ,s5, s7)

I had the Note, 1,2,4,7,8 and galaxy S6 and galaxy s6 edge. Somewhere in between I had the Axon 7 after the Note 7 debacle.
I have to say I have not loved a phone like my first smartphone the iPhone 3g and the original phablet the Dell Streak.
All that has changed once I got the OnePlus 6T. This phone is great and most of all the software experience is top notch. I hated the Samsung phones always slown down after time. I am glad I made the change to the OnePlus. If I upgrade this year it will be to the OnePlus 7T. :laugh:

Only to be outdone by some other phone in 2-3 months, then THAT phone will be outdone in 2-3 months and so on.
If you have the OP6T, or pretty much any phone in the last couple of years, and, you haven't jacked it up by screwing
with something you don't know how to do, and it is working properly, why waste your money on a SMALL improvement
in performance, that 99% of users won't see, unless they are stuck in benchmarks.

Ummm..... This device has it's own forum already. So why don't you go post these questions there instead.

gthmcty1 said:
Based off of what we know so far is there anyone contemplating acquiring this phone over the beloved 6T?
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Nope.
Hole in the screen of the plus is worse than a notch.
The price is outrageous.
It's Samsung and you won't get updates.
It's Samsung and they don't like unlocked BL.
Finally, it's Samsung.

tech_head said:
Nope.
Hole in the screen of the plus is worse than a notch.
The price is outrageous.
It's Samsung and you won't get updates.
It's Samsung and they don't like unlocked BL.
Finally, it's Samsung.
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LMAO....ok then!

I came to the 6T from an S9+. I have no regrets at all!

I had the first Galaxy S. Felt completely let down by Samsung's so called upgrades that made the phone less and less usable. I swore to never get a Samsung, so no, not getting one

I always hated Samsung but the new UI is rather nice.

Had the S7 Edge while the specs were nice the OS is still garbage and waiting 6 months for Major update after it's pushed to AOSP it a joke.. Especially when you pay top $..
And Exynos is inferior to SnapDragon + basically any dev support for the SoC sucks..

gthmcty1 said:
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It's a hard no for me. That hole punch that cuts into videos and of course the price tag. I'd go back to the S9 or G7 or V40.

tech_head said:
Nope.
Hole in the screen of the plus is worse than a notch.
The price is outrageous.
It's Samsung and you won't get updates.
It's Samsung and they don't like unlocked BL.
Finally, it's Samsung.
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Basically my thoughts lol.

Same old. Nothing really new or exciting . anything good will be on most of the phones this year anyway . And the double cut out is horrible. Much worse than a teardrop notch

The camera takes good photos based off people opinions, I like the different colored backs, fingerprint scanner is interesting, the camera punch is an interesting take on the notch (would be painful to see it during full screen video), price is outrageous, 1tb of storage only supported on certain devices (and is it really needed), and the One UI I could get into. The price alone will keep me away from it, although I am tempted to trade in my iPhone X for it.
Really interested in the fold. The concept of having a foldable tablet captures my attention but will see what other companies come up with and life cycle of a niche product.

Anytime you want to buy something new you might want to ask yourself:
1: Do I need it?
2: Is it worth it (usually involves money)?
3: What i am ok with if I look the other way?
Thank me later if you can answer on this 3 simple questions. Some people are hard fans some people haters. People in the middle go to OnePlus lol which brings them back to that circle anyway because they become fans or haters and there are people in the middle. I call it "circle of lifetime death". Whatever you go with it should be important to you only because in the end you are the one who will be using it.
I have been OnePlus user since day 1 (OnePlus One) because they made affordable devices and currently I am using 6T. For my own perspective I do like the new Samsung S10 line but it is not really worth the money for me.

Does it come with a lanyard to put through that hole so you can carry your phone with it?
Oh nevermind that's for the camera.
The hole punch design is the worst thing ever, it just looks so out of place.

Considering T-Mobile upgrade - any hope for root?

I had a Samsung S4, rooted it, loved it. I upgrade to the S7e without checking, and no root. I upgraded to LG G7, thinking they couldn't possibly be this bad - no root.
So, any hope of the T-Mobile version having root? It's not a dealbreaker (the G7 has terrible cameras anyway) but knowing what the options are is nice.
I'm hoping that I can still get the $390 off when trading in my G7 despite getting two with the B1G1 a year ago... lol
Thanks!

Based upon past history, the T-Mobile SD855 version (or any American variant) is unlikely to get root, due to locked bootloader. I had a TMo S7 which got root via a leaked engineering kernel, but it was not satisfactory to me, nor many people. I got an international Exynos S7 which has full root, ROMs, etc. and is WAY better. The Exynos S10 is expected to get the full root treatment, but it hasn't yet. I'm holding off on buying a G970F S10e until root is established. Typically takes roughly a month, if I remember correctly, although this model appears it will be a bit trickier.

If you're counting on being able to root this phone, the best advice is probably get another phone. My Note4 took almost two years to see root and by the time it did, most developers had moved on. The Note7 had an engineering kernel "leaked" but that phone didn't last long. The Note8 was rooted for a short time but without an unlocked bootloader and an available recovery, flashing ROMs wasn't possible.
The enthusiast community is so small these days it doesn't pay to unlock the bootloaders. Samsung and others make far more money selling to corporations and government entities which value security.

Zero to None for the North American Snapdragon...

Unless you get the China version. That I believe has unlockable Snapdragon.

Ndaoud360 said:
Unless you get the China version. That I believe has unlockable Snapdragon.
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Where did you read that?

PillowCake said:
Where did you read that?
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Non-North American Snapdragon (China, Central/South America) models are traditionally bootloader unlockable.

The unrooted T-Mobile S10 is okay at best. It's only real saving feature is the sound quality
Finance the Razer Phone 2. It's only $500

blackknightavalon said:
The unrooted T-Mobile S10 is okay at best. It's only real saving feature is the sound quality
Finance the Razer Phone 2. It's only $500
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Seems like a nice phone, and a great value, though I am not a huge fan of no headphone jack. Also it's a side grade for me from my G7 (both are S845s). But looking at the forum, rooting sure looks easy. I'll keep it in mind, thanks.

IBJamon said:
Seems like a nice phone, and a great value, though I am not a huge fan of no headphone jack. Also it's a side grade for me from my G7 (both are S845s). But looking at the forum, rooting sure looks easy. I'll keep it in mind, thanks.
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Processing speed difference is infinitesimal in my opinion, and rooting will just get easier very soon. Razer just released full audio source and the devs are >< that close to cracking the encryption issue for fully working TWRP
Samsung doesn't care about the development community and their last good phone in my opinion was the S5

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Exactly what the dude below you said and the should work well with Verizon and Sprint according to Chinese Note 9 (same bands as Chinese s10) users claiming they got everything working at least on Verizon.

Anybody use Active Watch 2 LTE with 4XL?

Just wondering if anyone has an active watch 2 lte paired with their 4XL. If so, what functionality do you lose for the watch? I currently have a Note 10+ but after a couple of years of running Samsung devices I am itching to get back on a Pixel device (most likely 4XL). I miss rooting and ROMs lol.

znel52 said:
Just wondering if anyone has an active watch 2 lte paired with their 4XL. If so, what functionality do you lose for the watch? I currently have a Note 10+ but after a couple of years of running Samsung devices I am itching to get back on a Pixel device (most likely 4XL). I miss rooting and ROMs lol.
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I have the active watch 2, just not the lte model. I don't believe I've lost any functionality of the watch. I did have a rough time getting it to pair which required manually downloading the apks since I couldn't install from the play store but I'm pretty sure they fixed that.

Works fine for me. I haven't really noticed much difference between the S10 and pixel with it.
Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk

Works fine here, don't seem to be missing any features.

znel52 said:
Just wondering if anyone has an active watch 2 lte paired with their 4XL. If so, what functionality do you lose for the watch? I currently have a Note 10+ but after a couple of years of running Samsung devices I am itching to get back on a Pixel device (most likely 4XL). I miss rooting and ROMs lol.
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I got the active 2 was meant to be getting the ultra with it, which I cancelled as they didn't send it
They did send the watch out immediately but the ultra was and still is delayed
I could not activate LTE as my current phone was Huawei so I had to use it over Bluetooth which defeated the object of getting the watch
It's also not android wear so you cannot install apps like WhatsApp and can only respond instead of send from certain apps.
Text and calls work, battery was brilliant but LTE just wouldn't happen until I got the Samsung or A Samsung to pair it with.
Not sure if the pixel will pair via LTE if it's never been seen previously or paired with a Samsung device or compatible device with your matched SIM card inside it.
I would ask in a service provider shop to be 100%

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