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Here is the text of the email I just sent to Dan Hesse. The savings you supposedly get from the Framily plan are a joke.
I recently jumped on the Framily plan bandwagon for my 6 lines of service to take advantage of the savings that are advertised all over Sprint.com. I actually started to convince my friends and relatives that they should move to Sprint for this fantastic deal.
Then when I inquired about adding a new line to the Framily plan and found out that there are no discounts on equipment I slammed on the brakes and reversed my feelings. Then I additionally found out that my existing lines would no longer be eligible for discounted equipment. Now I am feeling really deceived.
So the end result of the Framily plan hoax is that the monthly savings you supposedly get are the direct result of losing the discount on new line/renewal equipment. I am so angry about this that I will most certainly move back to the plan I was on previously and since 5 of my 6 lines all expire in the next 6 months I will probably take them elsewhere.
To be the number three carrier and do this to your devoted customers and expect them to help you get new customers shocks and amazes me.
I brought my family's lines to Sprint because they were the best deal for me. I can say that you are now following along the path of money sucking that your competitors have been on for years.
I hope that you get many more of these letters as I will be spreading the word to have everyone I can to contact you about this horrible plan.
I to hate losing discounts on equipment, but Sprint has to make money somewhere. Lower monthly rates (yes, 25 a month for unlimited talk/text 1GB of data is LOW) usually means a higher cost somewhere.
I have an unlimited everything plan for 45 a month on the Framily plan, phone costs 25 a month, but heck, I'll take it! Better than anything Big Red or TMob can do.
I will direct your attention to the fine print if you want to be even more upset, particularly the section about data and video streaming.
I'm on mobile, but if memory serves, it basically says that framily plans get bumped down in case of localized high data demand + video streaming is limited to the point of being useless to ease network congestion.
Hesse: data will remain unlimited. Yeah, OK guy.
No discounts are applied until you hit 7 users on the plan then you get the $25.00 a month, you can forget about device discounts too. If you want unlimited data add another $20.00 a month which brings the plan higher then what I am paying now for 5 phones. I will keep my family plan I have now, well actual 2 family plans, better deal and new phone every 2 years with discounts and savings...
Sezmar said:
No discounts are applied until you hit 7 users on the plan then you get the $25.00 a month, you can forget about device discounts too. If you want unlimited data add another $20.00 a month which brings the plan higher then what I am paying now for 5 phones. I will keep my family plan I have now, well actual 2 family plans, better deal and new phone every 2 years with discounts and savings...
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Just checked my bill, I have 3 lines, and all of them are getting $10 off, making them $45 each. You get more off for each line until they're down to $25 each, IIRC.
First of all, for clarification purposes I think it's appropriate to call them "device subsidies" rather than "discounts".
Next, I am not sure what the OP's "big surprise" here is. The Framily plan is a no-contract engagement. As such there are no device subsides provided under it. This isn't any different than any of the other large carriers' no-contract offerings.
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Here is the text of the email I just sent to Dan Hesse. The savings you supposedly get from the Framily plan are a joke.
I recently jumped on the Framily plan bandwagon for my 6 lines of service to take advantage of the savings that are advertised all over Sprint.com. I actually started to convince my friends and relatives that they should move to Sprint for this fantastic deal.
Then when I inquired about adding a new line to the Framily plan and found out that there are no discounts on equipment I slammed on the brakes and reversed my feelings. Then I additionally found out that my existing lines would no longer be eligible for discounted equipment. Now I am feeling really deceived.
So the end result of the Framily plan hoax is that the monthly savings you supposedly get are the direct result of losing the discount on new line/renewal equipment. I am so angry about this that I will most certainly move back to the plan I was on previously and since 5 of my 6 lines all expire in the next 6 months I will probably take them elsewhere.
To be the number three carrier and do this to your devoted customers and expect them to help you get new customers shocks and amazes me.
I brought my family's lines to Sprint because they were the best deal for me. I can say that you are now following along the path of money sucking that your competitors have been on for years.
I hope that you get many more of these letters as I will be spreading the word to have everyone I can to contact you about this horrible plan.
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I got to tell you, you are whining about nothing. I don't have this plan, but why would you expect device subsidies on a price that low. It obviously isn't a plan for some one that wants a new phone every two years and do the math. You could pay Sprint $30 more a month for your supposed phone upgrade discount which amounts to $720 over 2 years plus the $199 you paid for your discounted phone totaling $919 for you discounted phone. Or pay cash for your phone $600 and save $319 over the same 2 year period. Now, where was your discount? Oh wait there is more, no contract, cheap monthly bill, leave when you want. What are you complaining about.
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I got to tell you, you are whining about nothing. I don't have this plan, but why would you expect device subsidies on a price that low. It obviously isn't a plan for some one that wants a new phone every two years and do the math. You could pay Sprint $30 more a month for your supposed phone upgrade discount which amounts to $720 over 2 years plus the $199 you paid for your discounted phone totaling $919 for you discounted phone. Or pay cash for your phone $600 and save $319 over the same 2 year period. Now, where was your discount? Oh wait there is more, no contract, cheap monthly bill, leave when you want. What are you complaining about.
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No argument on most of the points. My biggest complaint is that they don't come out and tell you up front that this is the way it works. It all just seems a little deceiving to me. I will get my first Framily bill soon and I will see what my actual monthly change is and then I will pass judgement on what/if the savings based on a traditional plan will be.
Glad to read these issues. I've got 5 family phones still on my Sprint Everything Data Family 1500 and it sounds like I will just stay. I tell everyone that Sprint in OKC is a great wifi use and limited data with partial phone calling. Basically it sucks but with 5 phones my bill is still less than most of the 2-3 smartphone plans of other carriers.
It at least helps when I can't download or even make a call from my house.
@jtsv. I have the same plan so I think I will stay on it as well. I pay $190 for 4 lines unlimited everything.
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I got to tell you, you are whining about nothing. I don't have this plan, but why would you expect device subsidies on a price that low. It obviously isn't a plan for some one that wants a new phone every two years and do the math. You could pay Sprint $30 more a month for your supposed phone upgrade discount which amounts to $720 over 2 years plus the $199 you paid for your discounted phone totaling $919 for you discounted phone. Or pay cash for your phone $600 and save $319 over the same 2 year period. Now, where was your discount? Oh wait there is more, no contract, cheap monthly bill, leave when you want. What are you complaining about.
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Yeah cruise is right on this one. I was thinking of doing the Framily Plan also but I get a 25% discount on my monthly bill from work. I called up Sprint and inquired extensively about this plan and even asked about my discount and was told that it would apply to the unlimited data which would bring it down from $20 to $15. I was also told that if I move a line into the plan and it wasn't eligible for upgrade that it would cost me an extra $15 a month for 12 months or until the upgrade was available. There are a lot of hidden things in that plan but that's why it's always best to call and get info on it before you make a decision. They aren't going to come out and tell you anything unless you ask. They are hoping more people just switch to the plan without asking about the intricacies of it.
jtsv said:
Glad to read these issues. I've got 5 family phones still on my Sprint Everything Data Family 1500 and it sounds like I will just stay. I tell everyone that Sprint in OKC is a great wifi use and limited data with partial phone calling. Basically it sucks but with 5 phones my bill is still less than most of the 2-3 smartphone plans of other carriers.
It at least helps when i can't download or even make a call from my house.
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When I hit 6 lines I could no longer use the Family 1500 plan. I had to go to the My Everything plan. Like I said I will have to analyse the bill and see if I should switch back.
travisw0204 said:
Yeah cruise is right on this one. I was thinking of doing the Framily Plan also but I get a 25% discount on my monthly bill from work. I called up Sprint and inquired extensively about this plan and even asked about my discount and was told that it would apply to the unlimited data which would bring it down from $20 to $15. I was also told that if I move a line into the plan and it wasn't eligible for upgrade that it would cost me an extra $15 a month for 12 months or until the upgrade was available. There are a lot of hidden things in that plan but that's why it's always best to call and get info on it before you make a decision. They aren't going to come out and tell you anything unless you ask. They are hoping more people just switch to the plan without asking about the intricacies of it.
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They are currently waiving the $15 fee.
Woah, thanks for the info. I was thinking about switching to the framily plan but hadn't looked into it yet. Now I know it's not for me. It may be a good choice for people who don't mind keeping phones for a long time though.
With sprint, read the fine print
So it's a trade off between equipment fees and the monthly bill?
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So it's a trade off between equipment fees and the monthly bill?
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Essentially. But with the added feature of not being under contract which means you can jump ship at any time unless you still have time left on your existing contract then you will be contract free from that point forward.
I've been curious I kind of understand how their new plan is working but I have a question has anyone seen any fine print on the new plans say in 12months u upgrade but your existing phone shows signs of being rooted or knox is tripped? Just wondering if theres anything in there about it.
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I've been curious I kind of understand how their new plan is working but I have a question has anyone seen any fine print on the new plans say in 12months u upgrade but your existing phone shows signs of being rooted or knox is tripped? Just wondering if theres anything in there about it.
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There is no fine print in regards to that. The early upgrade portion is saying that 12 months in, with unlimited data, they will let you upgrade at no charge.
You don't turn your phone back in or anything like that.
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lawmangrant said:
There is no fine print in regards to that. The early upgrade portion is saying that 12 months in, with unlimited data, they will let you upgrade at no charge.
You don't turn your phone back in or anything like that.
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Ah ok thanks that's what i was wondering I was assuming you have to turn your phone in.
I did a 100% clean flash using the factory images. I pay for the hotspot service but when i go to use it it give the error "Your order could not be processed" anyone else having similiar issues?
Did you flash the Google image or the Verizon image? if its the Google Image I would think you would have to edit the same files you did to make it work in 5. 0. 1.
My hotspot never worked 'out of the box' so to speak. but I am grandfathered in with the unlimited plan so I'm not sure the right answer is.
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Ok i just got off the phone with Verizon apparently it they were not billing me and when i spoke to them yesterday about advanced calling they must have turned it off.
So disregard this information.
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Ok i just got off the phone with Verizon apparently it they were not billing me and when i spoke to them yesterday about advanced calling they must have turned it off.
So disregard this information.
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Next question is "why would you pay $29.99 a month for something you can change in the build.prop for free?" I understand that you want to be legal but you are paying for your data already, why pay again? I already give them $292.00 a month for 4 lines and only one grandfathered unlimited, I refuse to give them anymore for my data.
Yes, I am not sure how it is legal for them to charge you extra for a hotspot. Even if I had plan that had X gigabytes a month I don't think it is very fair to charge me extra to use my X amount of data however I please. Pretty amazing after the FCC gave them the smackdown over this. I guess if you go with the "Share Everything" plan the hotspot is included.
A few thoughts this.... Yeah they shouldn't be able to charge for this but they can charge for the app that enables it.... Second I haven't paid for it in years and always felt weird using it... Started to pay for it.... 10 a month for me for unlimited and I started to use the **** out of it... Worth 10 for the comfort when using it.
Well its common practice to charge extra for tethering even in the UK. You pay for "unlimited data" but that package is to be designed to be used from a mobile handset. As soon as they allow you to tether, that changes from a mobile handset to home broadband and the propensity to massively saturate the cell network increases dramatically when the connecting device is an actual computer compared to a mobile device. I'm in two minds about this, where I believe I should be able to use data for what I want of its unlimited. That said, if everyone tethered, my mobile data experience would be much poorer. It is what it is.
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A few thoughts this.... Yeah they shouldn't be able to charge for this but they can charge for the app that enables it.... Second I haven't paid for it in years and always felt weird using it... Started to pay for it.... 10 a month for me for unlimited and I started to use the **** out of it... Worth 10 for the comfort when using it.
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There is no app, it's built in, if you are on Verizon edit 2 system files and done. It is an option to enable in the pull downs.
Yes people were abusing it back when it was unlimited but those plans only exist on the business side now.
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Just add net.tethering.noprovisioning=true to the biuld.prop. No need to pay for tether. I have unlimited data and use the theater for free on my vz nex6
DebianDog said:
Yes, I am not sure how it is legal for them to charge you extra for a hotspot. Even if I had plan that had X gigabytes a month I don't think it is very fair to charge me extra to use my X amount of data however I please. Pretty amazing after the FCC gave them the smackdown over this.
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What that consent decree was about was Verizon pressuring Google to remove the tethering apps from the play store. Clearly Verizon is not allowed to do that. What is not clear is whether or not Verizon can pressure the device manufacturers to put software on the devices that allow Verizon to do a subscription check and deny the user the ability to use the MHS functionality of the device w/o paying money to Verizon. I suspect if the FCC thought that was illegal, they would have included that as part of the consent decree.
The FCC isn't a court though so to know for sure if a court would find it a violation of the Block C restrictions, someone would have to have standing to sue the FCC to enforce the Block C license restrictions under a writ of mandamus. An owner of a device who was subscriber of Verizon under a legacy plan would have standing to sue but they would have to want to spend the money to sue the FCC. There would be no damages to recover from the FCC so you would be paying out of pocket for this with no chance of a monetary recovery to recoup the costs of litigation.
If you won, all you would get out of it is an order from the FCC ordering Verizon to stop pressuring the manufacturers to put software like that on devices and maybe you could get an order ordering Verizon to work with the manufacturers to update the software on the devices that already have the blocking software on them. And you may lose if your legal arguments aren't strong. So obviously, that is why no one does it.
Having said that, it is PERFECTLY LEGAL for you to mod the device and/or use an app to unblock the devices MHS functionality on your own and there is nothing Verizon can do to stop you.
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I guess if you go with the "Share Everything" plan the hotspot is included.
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Yes, the More Everything plans have capped data but MHS functionality is not blocked on the device.
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JustusIV said:
A few thoughts this.... Yeah they shouldn't be able to charge for this but they can charge for the app that enables it....
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That's debatable. However, like I pointed out above, if the FCC thought that Verizon was violating the terms of the block C license restrictions by doing that, I am sure they would have included it in the earlier consent decree. As I also pointed out above, the FCC isn't the last word on what is a violation of the block C license restrictions. But no one else is going to bother doing anything about it.
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Second I haven't paid for it in years and always felt weird using it... Started to pay for it.... 10 a month for me for unlimited and I started to use the **** out of it... Worth 10 for the comfort when using it.
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How is it only $10 for the MHS for you?
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Yes people were abusing it back when it was unlimited but those plans only exist on the business side now.
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That's not true. I have 5 UDP lines on a consumer account.
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elliott35 said:
Just add net.tethering.noprovisioning=true to the biuld.prop. No need to pay for tether. I have unlimited data and use the theater for free on my vz nex6
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Do you know does that stop the subscription check entirely so that a query never gets sent to Verizon?
Really I can go out and buy an unlimited (consumer) plan on Verizon right now? I don't think so.
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Really I can go out and buy an unlimited (consumer) plan on Verizon right now? I don't think so.
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No but you can't buy a business unlimited plan any longer either.
You said UDP only exists on the business plans. Anyone who had UDP when Verizon eliminated the option can keep it be it a business or a consumer account. But no new UDP lines except during the Apple glitch.
I know buying it outright would probably be the best option, but i don't think that is in the cards for me currently. Leaving vzw also won't happen because the only other service around me that is decent is att, so not much choice. I could ask at a store, but i try to avoid going there if at all possible
1. Am i correct in the math that really the phone will only raise my bill by about 3.00/mo? 27.xx/mo-25 credit.
2. Is my only insurance option vzw if i do edge?
3. Currently 6mo from upgrade ( which would cost me more 249 + lack of a discount) ?
4. Do i have to surrender my note2 not purchased with edge? I would like to keep it as a backup.
4. I could do moto credit i guess, at which point in Sept. I could still get the service credit because i didn't take upgrade?
Thanks.
flyboy1100 said:
I know buying it outright would probably be the best option, but i don't think that is in the cards for me currently. Leaving vzw also won't happen because the only other service around me that is decent is att, so not much choice. I could ask at a store, but i try to avoid going there if at all possible
1. Am i correct in the math that really the phone will only raise my bill by about 3.00/mo? 27.xx/mo-25 credit.
2. Is my only insurance option vzw if i do edge?
3. Currently 6mo from upgrade ( which would cost me more 249 + lack of a discount) ?
4. Do i have to surrender my note2 not purchased with edge? I would like to keep it as a backup.
4. I could do moto credit i guess, at which point in Sept. I could still get the service credit because i didn't take upgrade?
Thanks.
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No idea
4. Yes
Your best bet is to buy the phone outright, if you buy a phone on contract you pay $50 per month per line of service. If you buy a phone outright you only pay $15 per month per line of service do the math 50x12=600 you can almost pay for the phone in one year.
This is assuming your on a similar plan to me.
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I pay 40 per line plus data. So that would be 15 instead, over 2 years i could save 600, not 2. Either way i could just save that monthly and have cash for next upgrade.
Because we have a 10GB plan, I get $25 off my monthly line access (originally $40) since I'm on Edge making my line access $15. My bill is no different than before I came to Edge. Where they get you is when you trade in your phone to Edge Up (each time).
If you have less than a 10GB plan, you'll get $15 off the monthly line access of $40 dropping it to $25.
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Because we have a 10GB plan, I get $25 off my monthly line access (originally $40) since I'm on Edge making my line access $15. My bill is no different than before I came to Edge. Where they get you is when you trade in your phone to Edge Up (each time).
If you have less than a 10GB plan, you'll get $15 off the monthly line access of $40 dropping it to $25.
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We have 10gb.
Even though im not edge now, i still need to surrender my note2 ive had for 18mo?
Do you think it is worth it? Ultimately i know buying it outright is cheaper
flyboy1100 said:
We have 10gb.
Even though im not edge now, i still need to surrender my note2 ive had for 18mo?
Do you think it is worth it? Ultimately i know buying it outright is cheaper
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I had to trade in a working phone...at the time I had the M7 but luckily I had my super old OG Droid...I just activated that on my plan right before I went in to Verizon and then sold my M7.
It depends if you can front the money for the phone outright...I could, but my wife thinks its stupid so I chose the Edge route haha.
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I know buying it outright would probably be the best option, but i don't think that is in the cards for me currently. Leaving vzw also won't happen because the only other service around me that is decent is att, so not much choice. I could ask at a store, but i try to avoid going there if at all possible
1. Am i correct in the math that really the phone will only raise my bill by about 3.00/mo? 27.xx/mo-25 credit.
2. Is my only insurance option vzw if i do edge?
3. Currently 6mo from upgrade ( which would cost me more 249 + lack of a discount) ?
4. Do i have to surrender my note2 not purchased with edge? I would like to keep it as a backup.
4. I could do moto credit i guess, at which point in Sept. I could still get the service credit because i didn't take upgrade?
Thanks.
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1. YES!!! That is if you are on a 10gb or higher plan you get the $25 discount.
2. I think you should still be able to use your own insurance still, but Verizon only offers insurance through Asurion.
3. If you are planning on keeping the N6 for the full 24 months you basically get it for ~$50 on edge b/c of the discount. If you upgrade at the 18 months though, you trade in your device to upgrade so it's not quite owning the phone.
4. Yes, when you upgrade through the edge program you trade in your old device, its kind of the trade off to being able to upgrade in 18 months (or by paying off 75% of the device) vs only every 2 years.
4 again?. Yes purchasing through Motorola has no impact on your upgrade date with Verizon.
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No idea
4. Yes
Your best bet is to buy the phone outright, if you buy a phone on contract you pay $50 per month per line of service. If you buy a phone outright you only pay $15 per month per line of service do the math 50x12=600 you can almost pay for the phone in one year.
This is assuming your on a similar plan to me.
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You must be on an older plan. For current plans (More Everything, or Single Line plans) off or on contract does not make a difference with the smartphone line access fee, only verizon edge. It's in no way cheaper to buy off contract. There may be other benefits, but not cost.
Whatever more everything plan was 18mo ago is what we are on. So in september i would not get the service credit if i didn't take my upgrade? I have read a lot, but no one ever says what plan they have when they mention that part.
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I know buying it outright would probably be the best option, but i don't think that is in the cards for me currently. Leaving vzw also won't happen because the only other service around me that is decent is att, so not much choice. I could ask at a store, but i try to avoid going there if at all possible
1. Am i correct in the math that really the phone will only raise my bill by about 3.00/mo? 27.xx/mo-25 credit.
2. Is my only insurance option vzw if i do edge?
3. Currently 6mo from upgrade ( which would cost me more 249 + lack of a discount) ?
4. Do i have to surrender my note2 not purchased with edge? I would like to keep it as a backup.
4. I could do moto credit i guess, at which point in Sept. I could still get the service credit because i didn't take upgrade?
Thanks.
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I work customer service for Verizon wireless so I completely understand not wanting to go into the store for info.
1. Yes Verizon does $25 dollar edge credits on non loyalty 6gb more everything plans and up (changed in February 6 and up get 25 off instead of 10 and up).
2. Yes and no. Yes if you intend to edge up. no if you intend to ride out the full 24 month agreement. I say this because edge agreements are based on the imei. And the only way to edge up a phone that has either had a warranty replacement or been replaced through insurance is to do an edge over ride which is only possible through assurion replaced phones or tech clnr replacements.
3. Not sure on the question.
4. Yes if you early edge you must return that device. Don't try swapping it to a crappy phone then early edging because that removes that lines eligibility for 90 days. And you would be doing ee if you're still under a contract.
3. You can keep note 2 if its out of contract and your not doing early edge
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cody11777 said:
I work customer service for Verizon wireless so I completely understand not wanting to go into the store for info.
1. Yes Verizon does $25 dollar edge credits on non loyalty 6gb more everything plans and up (changed in February 6 and up get 25 off instead of 10 and up).
2. Yes and no. Yes if you intend to edge up. no if you intend to ride out the full 24 month agreement. I say this because edge agreements are based on the imei. And the only way to edge up a phone that has either had a warranty replacement or been replaced through insurance is to do an edge over ride which is only possible through assurion replaced phones or tech clnr replacements.
3. Not sure on the question.
4. Yes if you early edge you must return that device. Don't try swapping it to a crappy phone then early edging because that removes that lines eligibility for 90 days. And you would be doing ee if you're still under a contract.
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But i am not edge now and 75% through my contract, with the 200 paid upfront haven't i already met the 75% cost? I guess i would just like to keep my unlocked otherwise fine note 2 as a backup in case something weird happens. With my job i can't go w/o a phone
when it comes to the bottom line is it worth it to switch to the edge program over full upgrade?
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But i am not edge now and 75% through my contract, with the 200 paid upfront haven't i already met the 75% cost? I guess i would just like to keep my unlocked otherwise fine note 2 as a backup in case something weird happens. With my job i can't go w/o a phone
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Yes you would have to return it. Going from any point that's not 1 day past the end of the 2 year contract to edge is considered early edge and you must return the device currently on the line qualifying for early edge. Its how Verizon recoups the cost of you getting a new device before completing the 2 year contract where they sold you a device at a significantly discounted price. I mean the best route to take here would be to buy the phone at full retail activate it on your line then wait for the contract to run out and collect the 15 or 25 dollar month to month discount depending on the more everything plan you're on.
Yes edge is cheaper in the long run than 2 year upgrade for any high end device
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Eetabeetay said:
1. YES!!! That is if you are on a 10gb or higher plan you get the $25 discount.
2. I think you should still be able to use your own insurance still, but Verizon only offers insurance through Asurion.
3. If you are planning on keeping the N6 for the full 24 months you basically get it for ~$50 on edge b/c of the discount. If you upgrade at the 18 months though, you trade in your device to upgrade so it's not quite owning the phone.
4. Yes, when you upgrade through the edge program you trade in your old device, its kind of the trade off to being able to upgrade in 18 months (or by paying off 75% of the device) vs only every 2 years.
4 again?. Yes purchasing through Motorola has no impact on your upgrade date with Verizon.
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You must be on an older plan. For current plans (More Everything, or Single Line plans) off or on contract does not make a difference with the smartphone line access fee, only verizon edge. It's in no way cheaper to buy off contract. There may be other benefits, but not cost.
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Nope only been with Verizon since October 2014, and I know I'm only paying $15 per line where I bought my own phone. Might have been a promotion at the time?
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So for sure it sounds like in September i can start taking the service discount. I know this would be the cheapest route in the long run, just have to convince the finance manage that it is.... otherwise i will just do edge
I have a Droid Turbo in Edge, and the only issue is because they changed the Edge Up value to 75%. This means, no matter the age of the phone, to them its worth 25% of the price (in this case $162.50). Which I think is kinda crappy. Maybe, maybe, at the 18 months mark the phone on the secondary market might be worth less than $167.50. But I would think you could get more selling it yourself. For example. I have the Droid Turbo. I have had it for about 6 months. Lets say I want to buy the Nexus 6 on Edge. I have 2 options. I can pay them around $300 and give them the phone and "Edge Up" to the Nexus 6. I pay $300 out of pocket and give them the phone. Even though they can probably sell the phone for, I dunno, $400 maybe. They are only giving me $167.50 for the phone, I have to make up the rest. Or, I can pay it off in full, around $467 and I get to keep the phone. Then I can go to ebay or swappa and sell it for about that much. Leaving me out the monthly payments I have already made (could vary from phone to phone). So, at this point, I can pay them $300 or I can pay them $467 and try to get some of my money back. I sure as heck will get more than $167 for the phone.
Now lets say I am at the 18 month point. I can just give them the phone and I can "Edge Up" to a new phone. Or I can pay them $167.50 and get the phone and sell it myself. So if the phone at that time id worth $150, then yeah its a good deal. If its worth more you are better selling it.
I think I am going to wait until it is available at Costco, then i can get the good squaretrade warranty and just do the Edge thing at that time.
thanks everyone!
For the heck of it i stopped in at a store today. They told me i can only switch to edge/edge up when i am eligible for an upgrade? What is the point of edge then? Is it because it wasn't a corporate store? Or are they right? If that is the case eff vzw and i will just go monthly when my contract is up and buy a new phone outright.
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For the heck of it i stopped in at a store today. They told me i can only switch to edge/edge up when i am eligible for an upgrade? What is the point of edge then? Is it because it wasn't a corporate store? Or are they right? If that is the case eff vzw and i will just go monthly when my contract is up and buy a new phone outright.
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If you are on a subsidized plan (i.e. you paid $200 for the phone up front and nothing more) then you do have to either wait for your upgrade or an "Early Edge" promotion (thye had one for the Droid Turbo). The reason is you are "paying" for the phone over your contract. Depending on how far from your upgrade you are you might be able to convince someone at a corporate store.
Hey all,
I went out and got the at&t s6 yesterday and I hopped onto my wife's family plan. While there, they were successful in convincing me the AT&T Next payment plan is the way to go, compared to a 2 year contract.
Next: $23 monthly for phone, $15 monthly for service charge, $40 up front payment for tax.
2 year contract: $200 for phone, $40 monthly for 2 year contract, $40 one time initiation fee.
Doing the math in store convinced me that after 2 years is done in both situations, the Next plan was cheaper. However, I remember reading in the past that monthly payment plans are for suckers. Any ideas?
It's about convenience in my opinion. Not everyone has 684-784 for a new S6. $37/mo is a reasonable and usually unnoticeable. I also think you forgot to mention the $15 monthly smartphone service charge is $40 if you're on contract. It's a minute difference if any. The only way you got hosed is the locked bootloader. But this phone is golden. I don't miss root at all
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Hey all,
I went out and got the at&t s6 yesterday and I hopped onto my wife's family plan. While there, they were successful in convincing me the AT&T Next payment plan is the way to go, compared to a 2 year contract.
Next: $23 monthly for phone, $15 monthly for service charge, $40 up front payment for tax.
2 year contract: $200 for phone, $40 monthly for 2 year contract, $40 one time initiation fee.
Doing the math in store convinced me that after 2 years is done in both situations, the Next plan was cheaper. However, I remember reading in the past that monthly payment plans are for suckers. Any ideas?
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It really depends on how long you keep your phones or if you want to be able to upgrade very often. If you keep your phone for more then 2 years then yes next is cheaper because once you pay it off then you will continue to pay $15/month instead of the $40/month if you signed a 2 year contract.
If you want to upgrade quicker then you need to choose the more expensive next plan so you can upgrade sooner.
eddiekang said:
Hey all,
I went out and got the at&t s6 yesterday and I hopped onto my wife's family plan. While there, they were successful in convincing me the AT&T Next payment plan is the way to go, compared to a 2 year contract.
Next: $23 monthly for phone, $15 monthly for service charge, $40 up front payment for tax.
2 year contract: $200 for phone, $40 monthly for 2 year contract, $40 one time initiation fee.
Doing the math in store convinced me that after 2 years is done in both situations, the Next plan was cheaper. However, I remember reading in the past that monthly payment plans are for suckers. Any ideas?
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When I calculated it out, you end up paying more for the phone when you switch to the Next plan, which is why they are trying to get people to switch.
I've dealt with them with this and they do everything they can to make it seem cheaper, but I don't buy it.
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It really depends on how long you keep your phones or if you want to be able to upgrade very often. If you keep your phone for more then 2 years then yes next is cheaper because once you pay it off then you will continue to pay $15/month instead of the $40/month if you signed a 2 year contract.
If you want to upgrade quicker then you need to choose the more expensive next plan so you can upgrade sooner.
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I don't think you ever pay the phone off, you just pay the monthly fee, until you hit the minimum amount to upgrade. However, it divides the full price of the phone over 30 months.
Also, you have to make sure the phone is perfect when you go to trade it in or else you will run into issues with them accepting the phone as part of your upgrade...
Edit: I read up a little bit more on it, they are offering discounts on data plans depending on if you have Next or not. I can see this maybe factoring into the pricing. I haven't priced it out since the first time I got asked to switch to a Next plan. The real advantage from the program is not being tied down to a 2 year contract.
Do you mind explaining the calculation? For me, it's
Next 30: 24 x 23 = 552 for the phone
15 x 24 = 360 service fee
~40 up front tax for the phone. Total after 24 months= 952
If i want to buy the phone outright after 24 months, i pay the difference on the phone which at that point would be 680-552 = 128.
952 + 128 = 1080 total after 2 years and i own the phone.
2 year contract: 40 x 24 = 960 monthly service fee
40 initiation fee + 200 subsidized phone cost= 240
960 + 240 = 1200 total after 2 years and i own the phone.
(This doesn't even include taxes throughout 2 years.)
What am I missing? Thanks for your replies.
yoman258 said:
When I calculated it out, you end up paying more for the phone when you switch to the Next plan, which is why they are trying to get people to switch.
I've dealt with them with this and they do everything they can to make it seem cheaper, but I don't buy it.
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I don't think you ever pay the phone off, you just pay the monthly fee, until you hit the minimum amount to upgrade. However, it divides the full price of the phone over 30 months.
Also, you have to make sure the phone is perfect when you go to trade it in or else you will run into issues with them accepting the phone as part of your upgrade...
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yoman258 said:
When I calculated it out, you end up paying more for the phone when you switch to the Next plan, which is why they are trying to get people to switch.
I've dealt with them with this and they do everything they can to make it seem cheaper, but I don't buy it.
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I don't think you ever pay the phone off, you just pay the monthly fee, until you hit the minimum amount to upgrade. However, it divides the full price of the phone over 30 months.
Also, you have to make sure the phone is perfect when you go to trade it in or else you will run into issues with them accepting the phone as part of your upgrade...
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Like I said it really depends on what you want to do. I just got he Galaxy S6 (after upgrading from my M8 AT&T Next 12 and buying off the phone so I can resell it) on the AT&T next plan and this is how it works out, just like it did with the M8.
1. Instead of paying $40 a month per line I pay $15 so I save $25 on the monthly service plan.
2. If I choose the AT&T Next 12 (20 Payments of 34.25 = 685 + tax), I can make 12 payments and then upgrade after 12 payments and get a new phone and start a new payment plan depending on how much the phone is. Or I can choose to make the full 20 payments and keep the phone and maintain the $15/month line charge. Or I can pay off the entire phone at anytime and keep the $15/month charge.
3. If you buy this on contract it works out like this. 24 x $40 = $960 + 200 = $1160, and you continue to pay $40 a month after the 2 years.
4. If you buy this on AT&T Next 18 which allows you to pay it off over 2 years just like the contract term then it works out like this. 24 x $28.55 = 685.2+tax ~ 740 or so + 15/month x 24 = $1100, however after the 2 years are up you continue to pay $15/month and not $40 a month so if you keep your phone past the 2 year mark you are saving $25/month where as with the contract you wouldn't be.
eddiekang said:
Do you mind explaining the calculation? For me, it's
Next 30: 24 x 23 = 552 for the phone
15 x 24 = 360 service fee
~40 up front tax for the phone. Total after 24 months= 952
If i want to buy the phone outright after 24 months, i pay the difference on the phone which at that point would be 680-552 = 128.
952 + 128 = 1080 total after 2 years and i own the phone.
2 year contract: 40 x 24 = 960 monthly service fee
40 initiation fee + 200 subsidized phone cost= 240
960 + 240 = 1200 total after 2 years and i own the phone.
(This doesn't even include taxes throughout 2 years.)
What am I missing? Thanks for your replies.
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You've hit the nail on the head. AT&T Next/Verizon Edge are legit. It's a reorganizing of costs. Instead of getting the phone at a massive discount and paying a higher amount on your bill, you are now paying more for the phone with monthly installments added to your bill in order to earn/retain a billing discount. If you calculate almost any phone with a 10gb or higher data plan, NEXT will save a minimum $140 every time.
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If you're on a mobile share plan, it definitely works out in your favor to use Next. Otherwise you're paying a premium for the service itself. I think it's compelling that once you've made your payments, your monthly bill goes down, whereas on 2 year, if you decide to hang on to your phone longer, you're paying to keep your device.
Next is cheaper for those that like to get their phones at launch price. If you wait for one of Amazon's $1 deals or Bestbuy deals, then the contract way is not so bad due to less money up front.
I've been trying to figure this out myself. They already signed me for the Next24, but I'm still within the time period to make a change. I'm not sure if the cost/benefit ratio works for me in my circumstances. Perhaps one of you guys that understands the voodoo can help me figure it out.
Let's take the 1G plan as an example. First, I'm going to examine the costs, then I want to ask for your help to understand the mechanics of the Next plan.
NOTE: Because of the different tie periods between the two plans, I adjusted the 2 year plan for another six months of cost to more accurately compare.
Next:
$25 - 1g Data
$40 - Voice
-$15 Discount
$50/month
$23.64 Phone Finance
= $2209 total ($1500 service plan cost for 30 months + $709.20 in phone payments)
2 Year Contract
$25 - 1g Data
$40 - Voice
$200 Phone
= $2190 total ($1950 in service plan costs for 30 months + $200 phone cost + $40 renewal/upgrade fee
There seems to be only about $20 difference between the two. What matters to me is what happens in the event I want to upgrade next April to a new phone with the Next plan, or what happens at the end of my Next contract.
Upgrade: My understanding is that in the event I want to upgrade to a newer phone in a year, I pay off the phone balance, turn in the phone and presuming it's in good condition, I get the latest-and-greatest. I can only do this once in any given Next plan, but if I do, there's a question about who owns the phone (see below).
Contract End: Who owns the phone? In the case of the traditional 2-year contract, I know that the phone is mine. But under the Next plan, if I get to the end of the 30 month period and have paid off the phone (whether I've upgraded or not), is it mine to keep or do I have to turn it in?
Once you make all the payment, the phone is yours. If you upgrade early without paying it off, they get the phone back as a trade in. You have to make a minimum number of payments before you can upgrade which I believe is based on which next program you choose. Course after you've had it a while you could then pay it off and upgrade. Would be better than paying all up front.
BillTheCat said:
I've been trying to figure this out myself. They already signed me for the Next24, but I'm still within the time period to make a change. I'm not sure if the cost/benefit ratio works for me in my circumstances. Perhaps one of you guys that understands the voodoo can help me figure it out.
Let's take the 1G plan as an example. First, I'm going to examine the costs, then I want to ask for your help to understand the mechanics of the Next plan.
NOTE: Because of the different tie periods between the two plans, I adjusted the 2 year plan for another six months of cost to more accurately compare.
Next:
$25 - 1g Data
$40 - Voice
-$15 Discount
$50/month
$23.64 Phone Finance
= $2209 total ($1500 service plan cost for 30 months + $709.20 in phone payments)
2 Year Contract
$25 - 1g Data
$40 - Voice
$200 Phone
= $2190 total ($1950 in service plan costs for 30 months + $200 phone cost + $40 renewal/upgrade fee
There seems to be only about $20 difference between the two. What matters to me is what happens in the event I want to upgrade next April to a new phone with the Next plan, or what happens at the end of my Next contract.
Upgrade: My understanding is that in the event I want to upgrade to a newer phone in a year, I pay off the phone balance, turn in the phone and presuming it's in good condition, I get the latest-and-greatest. I can only do this once in any given Next plan, but if I do, there's a question about who owns the phone (see below).
Contract End: Who owns the phone? In the case of the traditional 2-year contract, I know that the phone is mine. But under the Next plan, if I get to the end of the 30 month period and have paid off the phone (whether I've upgraded or not), is it mine to keep or do I have to turn it in?
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beaverslayer said:
Once you make all the payment, the phone is yours. If you upgrade early without paying it off, they get the phone back as a trade in. You have to make a minimum number of payments before you can upgrade which I believe is based on which next program you choose. Course after you've had it a while you could then pay it off and upgrade. Would be better than paying all up front.
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OK, so let's say I qualify for an upgrade at 12 months. If I upgrade to a new phone, I pay off the remaining balance, turn in the old phone (let's use the S6 as an example) and get a new phone to replace it, say it'll be the S7. Do I have to begin making payments on the new phone, or is it mine to keep?
BillTheCat said:
OK, so let's say I qualify for an upgrade at 12 months. If I upgrade to a new phone, I pay off the remaining balance, turn in the old phone (let's use the S6 as an example) and get a new phone to replace it, say it'll be the S7. Do I have to begin making payments on the new phone, or is it mine to keep?
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Let's say you get the AT&T Next 12 which is 20 payments at $34.25 for the Galaxy S6. After 12 payments you can give back the S6 and get the S7 and the payments start over depending on which phone you pack along with which Next plan. If you keep the phone for the full 20 payments the phone becomes yours and you can keep it. Let's say you want to upgrade your phone after 10 payments (12 is minimum), then you would have to pay an additional 20 payments at 34.25 before you can upgrade your phone and give back the S6.
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Let's say you get the AT&T Next 12 which is 20 payments at $34.25 for the Galaxy S6. After 12 payments you can give back the S6 and get the S7 and the payments start over depending on which phone you pack along with which Next plan. If you keep the phone for the full 20 payments the phone becomes yours and you can keep it. Let's say you want to upgrade your phone after 10 payments (12 is minimum), then you would have to pay an additional 20 payments at 34.25 before you can upgrade your phone and give back the S6.
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Alright, let's go with your scenario because I still have a week to change my mind.
What I hear you saying is that if I were to go with the Next 12 plan and upgrade at one year, it will look like this for an (imaginary) S7, presuming it will be the same price as this year's phone:
$411 for the S6 phone RENTAL FEE over the course of a year (because I'd be turning in the phone)
+ $685 for the cost of the S7 which would require a NEW F'n CONTRACT that resets all over for another 20 months of payments
= 1096 for a next generation phone that would retail for $685 on a straight purchase by the end of year two
I see no reason why anyone would want to bother. It would make more sense to just buy the phone outright from Amazon at a discount (because AT&T charges more - this is the only business I can think of where the retailers charge more than the manufacturer!) and keep the old phone as a backup or sell it on Ebay.
Do I have it right?
BillTheCat said:
Alright, let's go with your scenario because I still have a week to change my mind.
What I hear you saying is that if I were to go with the Next 12 plan and upgrade at one year, it will look like this for an (imaginary) S7, presuming it will be the same price as this year's phone:
$411 for the phone RENTAL FEE over the course of a year (because I'd be turning in the phone)
+ $685 for the cost of the S7 which would require a NEW F'n CONTRACT that resets all over for another 20 months of payments
= 1096 for a next generation phone that would retail for $685 on a straight purchase by the end of year two
I see no reason why anyone would want to bother. It would make more sense to just buy the phone outright from Amazon at a discount (because AT&T charges more - this is the only business I can think of where the retailers charge more than the manufacturer!) and keep the old phone as a backup or sell it on Ebay.
Do I have it right?
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If you buy out the phone today at $685 and then buy the S7 at $685 (presuming the price stays the same) then you are paying $1470 over the course of 1 year and you would be owning both handsets outright. When you make 12 payments at 34.25 and you want to upgrade you have the option of paying off the remainder of the loan (8 payments at 34.25) and keeping the phone so you are back at $1470.
Also good luck finding the phone on sale on Amazon for the forseable future and remember the more you wait the less months you have until S7 comes out. So if you wait until July for an S6 sale on Amazon you are now 3-4 months back and the phone is 3-4 months old meaning that you are $105-140 back on payments so technically the phone is only worth $545-580.
Either way you look at it, you are paying for the phone full price, whether you are buying it outright today or paying it off over 20 months (unless you give it back after 12 months and get a new phone and start a new payment plan).
BillTheCat said:
Alright, let's go with your scenario because I still have a week to change my mind.
What I hear you saying is that if I were to go with the Next 12 plan and upgrade at one year, it will look like this for an (imaginary) S7, presuming it will be the same price as this year's phone:
$411 for the S6 phone RENTAL FEE over the course of a year (because I'd be turning in the phone)
+ $685 for the cost of the S7 which would require a NEW F'n CONTRACT that resets all over for another 20 months of payments
= 1096 for a next generation phone that would retail for $685 on a straight purchase by the end of year two
I see no reason why anyone would want to bother. It would make more sense to just buy the phone outright from Amazon at a discount (because AT&T charges more - this is the only business I can think of where the retailers charge more than the manufacturer!) and keep the old phone as a backup or sell it on Ebay.
Do I have it right?
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You are getting what you are paying for. You are buying on a payment plan. You wouldn't go out and buy a new car this year with 60 months of payment ahead of you and trade it in after one year and not expect to loose money in the deal now would you. You are making the decision to trade it in before it's paid for, not AT&T.
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I've always heard the cheapest way to get a phone ls to sign a 2 year contract then go home and call AT&T and say you want to do an early termination which cost roughly $350, which means you at out about $550 and get to keep the phone.
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Once you make all the payment, the phone is yours. If you upgrade early without paying it off, they get the phone back as a trade in. You have to make a minimum number of payments before you can upgrade which I believe is based on which next program you choose. Course after you've had it a while you could then pay it off and upgrade. Would be better than paying all up front.
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I'm thinking that's what I'll do. I guess I'll ride it out and see what the landscape looks like next year.
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If you buy out the phone today at $685 and then buy the S7 at $685 (presuming the price stays the same) then you are paying $1470 over the course of 1 year and you would be owning both handsets outright. When you make 12 payments at 34.25 and you want to upgrade you have the option of paying off the remainder of the loan (8 payments at 34.25) and keeping the phone so you are back at $1470.
Either way you look at it, you are paying for the phone full price, whether you are buying it outright today or paying it off over 20 months (unless you give it back after 12 months and get a new phone and start a new payment plan).
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I guess it just seems that $411 for one year's use seems a tad steep considering for a couple hundred more, you can use it forever. Though there is the benefit of the lower pricing on the Next plan compared to the 2 year contract.
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You are getting what you are paying for. You are buying on a payment plan. You wouldn't go out and buy a new car this year with 60 months of payment ahead of you and trade it in after one year and not expect to loose money in the deal now would you. You are making the decision to trade it in before it's paid for, not AT&T.
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I've always heard the cheapest way to get a phone ls to sign a 2 year contract then go home and call AT&T and say you want to do an early termination which cost roughly $350, which means you at out about $550 and get to keep the phone.
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An interesting strategy. I might consider it, but it seems 'dishonest' in some strange way. And I'm sure there will be repurcussions, I wonder what the chance of getting a new plan might be after cancelling another one.
BillTheCat said:
I'm thinking that's what I'll do. I guess I'll ride it out and see what the landscape looks like next year.
I guess it just seems that $411 for one year's use seems a tad steep considering for a couple hundred more, you can use it forever.
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You can buy it out for the remainder of the balance, you don't have to give it back if you pay it off. After 12 months you have a few choice, either give it back and get a new one, buy out the remainder of the balance or continue your payments until you have it completely paid off and it is yours to keep.
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BillTheCat said:
I'm thinking that's what I'll do. I guess I'll ride it out and see what the landscape looks like next year.
I guess it just seems that $411 for one year's use seems a tad steep considering for a couple hundred more, you can use it forever. Though there is the benefit of the lower pricing on the Next plan compared to the 2 year contract.
An interesting strategy. I might consider it, but it seems 'dishonest' in some strange way. And I'm sure there will be repurcussions, I wonder what the chance of getting a new plan might be after cancelling another one.
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Not dishonest at all. That's a reason they have ETF. You won't need a new contract. You shouldn't want one either. You'll be paying for the service month to month as people do when their contracts expire.
It's actually brilliant and I'm an idiot for not thinking of it myself
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Not dishonest at all. That's a reason they have ETF. You won't need a new contract. You shouldn't want one either. You'll be paying for the service month to month as people do when their contracts expire.
It's actually brilliant and I'm an idiot for not thinking of it myself
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I would worry that they might not start new service with you if you were to cancel, even if you did pay the ETF.
I suppose I could just change my Next 24 plan to a Next 12, accelerating the payments, pay the 'balloon' at a year to own the phone, and see what things look like at that point. It seems there's no point in buying the phone from the carrier anymore.
Have 5 moto x on family plan, and all UDP, so now there is this new $20. fee added to UDP, only added to out of contract lines, all lines up for upgrade, I know I can upgrade and as long as I don't activate on upgraded line still keep UDP, so going to upgrade all lines to get into new 2 year contracts so the new $20 fee is not added for at least two years. don't need 5 lines, if I order the the jetpack on line one and stick the sim from line two in the jetpack will the jetpack work? I know a phone would work doing this, but don't know anything about a jetpack, I don't need 5 lines now, only kept line for the UDP and was getting the $20 discount on all five data lines so only paying $10 line and $10 for UD,
Thanks