Hi guys I really want to root but my main worrys is knox does anyone have a full list of what tripping knox brakes
I've head that most custom roms can save s health is there anything else
I must admit I don't use Samsung pay or secure folder
I just don't want to have features broken where it make parts of the device useless forever like the heart rate monitor ect
Thanks
Basically that's it.
Samsung Pay, And secure folder, i can use everything else.
In my country we don't have samsung pay so idc, and for secure folder i just use private mode or app lock instead, i don't feel like im missing anything.
bigpapa007 said:
Basically that's it.
Samsung Pay, And secure folder, i can use everything else.
In my country we don't have samsung pay so idc, and for secure folder i just use private mode or app lock instead, i don't feel like im missing anything.
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Well here in the UK Samsung pay doesn't support Halifax yet and it's not somethi g I'd use anyways so s health ect is fine
What about Samsung pass? Then again I carnt see me using that either lol
There's also the problem that you won't receive OTA security updates unless you're using the official firmware.
I know in the past the value of the phone for re-sale is lower on a Knox tripped phone as well, so if you want to get a decent price for the phone if you don't plan on keeping it until it dies that is something to consider as well.
I never had a problem selling rooted phones, as long as you're honest about it when selling, rooting is one of the first things a lot of buyers will do anyway.
my rooted with custom ROM note 4 sold for 335 euro when I bought the n8 last year
If you do not care about knox and samsung pay, AND, in your country rooting does not void warranty, root it
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not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
dn3g3l said:
not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
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Short answer, no.
We all know t mobile don't check for root so why bother yourself with this
g3 soon to be NOTE 4
its all these IBone converts that are flocking to this phone..
They're so used to Apple telling them what they can and can not do, that they dont yet know how to handle the freedom of Android/T-Mobile..
i'm just going to assume you're directing that at someone else. i've been using using android for quite some time. there was no knox when i rooted my phone before.
i don't buy insurance from tmobile so they won't be the one that's handling my warranty issues if something happens.
Like the OP, I refuse to waste money on Carrier insurance, and my previous phones did not have Knox. So it remains an important issue if you are relying on Samsung warranty. It's clear that existing root will trip Knox. My question is - what is the chance that there will be a root that does not trip knox in the future. Is it worth waiting or is knox considered to be bulletproof?
Edit: and no, I never owned an iPhone, and all my Androids have been rooted so far.
From what I read nobody has been able to break the Knox that Samsung share this knowledge with Google.
If the phone died and no fault of your own, Samsung will not take it back even if Knox is tripped?
Im not expert but I think that Samsung has to have a way to remove " tripped Knox flag " or any phone with hardware failure and Knox flag tripped would have no resale value if, for example, usb port is replaced.
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dn3g3l said:
not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
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it IS too early to ask; the phone has been out for a few days, so if you're paranoid about rooting because of tripping Knox, you'll have to just wait around and see, or develop an exploit and share it with the rest of the folks who feel they need it..
I've given back a Note 2 and a Note 3, KNOX wasn't out for Note 2 but it was rooted. Note 3 had a counter of like 12, as stated above, T-Mobile doesn't check.
BACARDILIMON said:
We all know t mobile don't check for root so why bother yourself with this
g3 soon to be NOTE 4
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This couldn't be any more true. I've rooted every phone I've had with them that could be rooted and never once had them turn me down for an exchange or replacement unit. Hell I think I replaced my old one s maybe seven or eight times over the years I had it and I even stopped flashing it back to stock and just sent it back. Not like it's super hard for them to clean it all back up to stock.
I'm certain that when you return a phone to most vendors, they just throw it into the "defect" pile, and those phones either gets wiped and re-imaged, or they send them to some 3rd party who buys them cheap and does that on their own.
after spending many years as a director of sales for a consumer electronics company, I know how expensive it is to try and inspect/repair returns, so I cant imagine that Samsung/t mobile/att and who ever else even bothers to look at them.
If you think about the thousands of phones coming back as returns every day, handling them any more than absolutely necessary is a major losing proposition for these companies, and they only care about profit. When you return your rooted/knoxed/bricked phone, they NEVER repair it, you just get a new or rebuilt one sent out to you.
But hey, if you want to worry about tripping Knox or sending in a rooted phone, and that you will be in trouble/charged/punished for that, then you just go ahead and keep thinking that!:cyclops::cyclops:
By week 2 we should have about 8 of these threads. Should have at least 2 about triangle away and a few about screen saturated.
NOTE 4
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By week 2 we should have about 8 of these threads. Should have at least 2 about triangle away and a few about screen saturated.
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@BACARDILIMON it wont even take that long!
So for the past few weeks I have been debating whether I should root my device or not. The only thing holding me back is the T-Mobile Jump program, Samsung Pay, and other key features.
T-Mobile staff on their forums have claimed that rooting your device, then sending it in for a jump upgrade will require you to pay a insurance deductible fee. However knowing T-Mobile, and past experiences from people here at XDA; I doubt T-Mobile cares that much and allows you to do the upgrade as long as the phone is working.
Samsung Pay and other key features were also holding me back, as I've heard rumours of rooting your device may cause Samsung Pay to be unusable due to KNOX being tripped. However my want of rooting my device has led me to not care that much of this feature, and go on to continue to root my device.
Now here is my main question, I've read about key features such as private mode being disabled due to KNOX being tripped. Is this true? If it's not true with private mode, is it true with other key features in the phone? If someone could help me out with getting those two questions answered, I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance for those who spent their time reading this, and for those who responded!
Every device I've ever sent back to T-Mobile has been rooted and ROMd and I've never heard a word from them. I don't even bother putting them back to factory state. I don't think anyone can answer the Samsung Pay question because it isn't out yet. Me personally, I don't care, I find it just as much as a hassle to dig my phone out vs my wallet so I'd rather have the control and customizability that rooting offers.
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Every device I've ever sent back to T-Mobile has been rooted and ROMd and I've never heard a word from them. I don't even bother putting them back to factory state. I don't think anyone can answer the Samsung Pay question because it isn't out yet. Me personally, I don't care, I find it just as much as a hassle to dig my phone out vs my wallet so I'd rather have the control and customizability that rooting offers.
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Yeah glad to hear T-Mobile doesn't do much if the phone is rooted. Do you know whether rooting your phone allows you to still use private mode, and the fingerprint reader with knox tripped?
Fingerprint scanner works fine, I have no use for private mode so I haven't really checked it out.
I just want a quick answer as I keep finding people claiming to be able to root t-mobile s6 sm-g920t ver. 5.1.1. I cannot find anything to support this without a lot of headaches, much less being able to find and download needed files for root.
Can I successfully root this Samsung Galaxy s6 SM-G920t?
Or should I go back to my HTC phone?
Thanks,
chevy383surfing
FYI: I got this phone yesterday as a promotional and did not have to pay for it. I have always strayed away from Samsung because of all the hassles involved in rooting any Samsung device over the course of the last 10 years or maybe a little less. As soon as I signed in to my Google account the damned phone automatically updated. "Thanks for the options Samsung!!! I didn't have any choice but to go through with the update.
Yes, you can root it easily but you will void your warranty by tripping Knox.
KaneHusky said:
Yes, you can root it easily but you will void your warranty by tripping Knox.
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I am not worried about warranties. I root all of my android devices. I pay the phone companies a lot of money every month. I usually buy all my devices straight out too. So Samsung can do what they need to, as long as they stay out of my way, I will stay out of their way. Anyway, my other main concern is all the calling problems and the finger print phone lock. Will these break regardless?
Thanks for the fast reply, too!
chevy383surfing said:
I am not worried about warranties. I root all of my android devices. I pay the phone companies a lot of money every month. I usually buy all my devices straight out too. So Samsung can do what they need to, as long as they stay out of my way, I will stay out of their way. Anyway, my other main concern is all the calling problems and the finger print phone lock. Will these break regardless?
Thanks for the fast reply, too!
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The only downside to rooting the latest firmware versions is you cannot use Samsung Pay with Knox tripped. Other than that, I haven't experienced calling problems or any issues with the fingerprint reader. Haven't heard of call problems as a result of rooting but the fingerprint sensor not working was a result of using the engineering bootloader (to maintain Knox warranty status) on a previous firmware release.
Hello mina,
The goal of this thread is to list all changes when you trip/void Knox.
This list is not complete, feel free to help me to keep it updated.
DM-verity (Fixable with Magisk)
Secure Boot
RKP
Secure Folder (Permanent)
Samsung Pay (Permanent)
Samsung Pass (Permanent)
Samsung Health (Fixable)
Warranty (Maybe not)
Thanks this will help me decide if I want root I like the Samsung pass thing where you can use your eyes, fingerprint to sign into stuff
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marwanpro said:
Hello mina,
The goal of this thread is to list all changes when you trip/void Knox.
This list is not complete, feel free to help me to keep it updated.
DM-verity (Fixable with Magisk)
Secure Boot
RKP
Secure Folder (Permanent)
Samsung Pay (Permanent)
Samsung Pass (Permanent)
Samsung Health (Fixable)
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Most important..
Warranty is void!!!!!!
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Very helpful list going forward...
Techvir said:
Most important..
Warranty is void!!!!!!
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Mmh, I already sent a Galaxy Note 4 on Custom ROM in a PSM (Point Service Mobile, shop who sent to Samsung Repair Center) they flashed Original ROM and sent to Samsung.
They repaired the phone without ask me money.
Moreover, in France, they must repair the phone if the hardware is defective
https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu...ties-in-france/legal-guarantee-of-conformity/
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Mmh, I already sent a Galaxy Note 4 on Custom ROM in a PSM (Point Service Mobile, shop who sent to Samsung Repair Center) they flashed Original ROM and sent to Samsung.
They repaired the phone without ask me money.
Moreover, in France, they must repair the phone if the hardware is defective
https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu...ties-in-france/legal-guarantee-of-conformity/
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Called "Samsung Stars" (Some dedicated team that I assume S9 and Note 9 users get access to) yesterday and in the UK at least, they confirmed that if the KNOX bit has been reset and you send the phone to be repaired, the service centre won't even touch it, hardware fault or not.
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Called "Samsung Stars" (Some dedicated team that I assume S9 and Note 9 users get access to) yesterday and in the UK at least, they confirmed that if the KNOX bit has been reset and you send the phone to be repaired, the service centre won't even touch it, hardware fault or not.
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This item (warranty, )seems to have been discussed with every Samsung I can remember owning since Knox came into use.
You won't likely get a definitive answer since many owners in various countries including UK will argue that neither Samsung or any other manufacturer gets the final say on warranty repairs.
Many countries, including UK have consumer protection legislation that gives purchasers repair rights for defective items. You may get company warranty department staff and retailers who don't fully understand these consumer protection, you may have to be assertive or get trading standards department to assist you to get repair for defects.
marwanpro said:
Hello mina,
The goal of this thread is to list all changes when you trip/void Knox.
This list is not complete, feel free to help me to keep it updated.
DM-verity (Fixable with Magisk)
Secure Boot
RKP
Secure Folder (Permanent)
Samsung Pay (Permanent)
Samsung Pass (Permanent)
Samsung Health (Fixable)
Warranty (Maybe not)
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Does the battery get restricted to 80% max charge on S9/S9+/Note9? i know some sammy devices used to be this way...
darkensx said:
Does the battery get restricted to 80% max charge on S9/S9+/Note9? i know some sammy devices used to be this way...
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This is definitely news to me. For folks like myself who try to maximize battery durability, this would be a very welcome side effect. Constantly keeping an eye on the battery percentage while charging is getting old
Yes in France if they sell you an hardware, you can use like you want. I even wonder if Knox restrictions are really legal to be honest.
I'm pretty sure when you trip Knox you are "burning a bit" like a fuse bit on an adrino hobby chip and that's permanent
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darkensx said:
Does the battery get restricted to 80% max charge on S9/S9+/Note9? i know some sammy devices used to be this way...
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thats only when root is obtained using combo firmware typically on locked bl devices since factory/combo firmware limits charge to 80%
Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.
Welcome to XDA
There's that pesky little efuse that protects Knox's integrity... once blown the mobo or that chipset needs to be replaced.
Sammy will do it for $400 apparently, according to one member here who did what you're thinking of doing. Get to know it a bit first...
Samsung S lover said:
Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.
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Hi. Welcome to XDA.
No, rooting the S21 ultra is not possible without tripping Knox and voiding warranty.
You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.
Misterxtc said:
You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.
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Except for the warranty issue. Sammy will likely charge you for the blown efuse -if- the choose to repair it. It's a $400 fuse
blackhawk said:
Except for the warranty issue. Sammy will likely charge you for the blown efuse -if- the choose to repair it. It's a $400 fuse
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True, they most likely won't even touch it for repair if it's rooted.
Misterxtc said:
True, they most likely won't even touch it for repair if it's rooted.
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One member recently had their display die and Samsung did replace it but charged them for a new mobo because of the blown efuse.
Samsung is pretty much silently admitting there's a display issue on some of these units.
If the 3rd party firmware fried the display he lucked out because the display was from a known bad batch. Samsung can only determine this many times by direct inspection, not remotely.
Samsung usually doesn't do warranty repairs on rooted phones, right?
Interesting, isn't it? It doesn't give you a warm cozy feeling though about Samsung though
blackhawk said:
One member recently had their display die and Samsung did replace it but charged them for a new mobo because of the blown efuse.
Samsung is pretty much silently admitting there's a display issue on some of these units.
If the 3rd party firmware fried the display he lucked out because the display was from a known bad batch. Samsung can only determine this many times by direct inspection, not remotely.
Samsung usually doesn't do warranty repairs on rooted phones, right?
Interesting, isn't it? It doesn't give you a warm cozy feeling though about Samsung though
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Yup sounds like a money grab to me.
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Yup sounds like a money grab to me.
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The problem being the phone was rooted. Better have deep pockets if you want to root a new flagship Samsung device.
Basically Samsung returned it to factory specs and charged to repair the "damage" caused by rooting.
I hate knox... it serves me no purpose like the little tard bixby.
Lame Samsung security
Samsung S lover said:
Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.
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Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device, that's assuming your device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
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varcor said:
Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device and if the device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
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The potential to brick the phone should weigh heavily in one's decision to root especially on a expensive flagship device.
Just read all the " Help!!! I bricked my device" threads posted here. Lots of pretty paperweights...
Losing the factory warranty on the display and mobo are a big deal. Both are expensive and hard to repair.
OTA updates break phones too
It's the first apk I package block.
Those other apks I never use but each person is different and if your needs change... you don't want to find yourself painted in a corner with paint that never dries.
The stock Samsungs can generally be configured to run very well without rooting. More than one way to skin this cat...
blackhawk said:
Welcome to XDA
There's that pesky little efuse that protects Knox's integrity... once blown the mobo or that chipset needs to be replaced.
Sammy will do it for $400 apparently, according to one member here who did what you're thinking of doing. Get to know it a bit first...
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Thank you so much for replying and for your advice and information, I really appreciate. Thank you again
enigmaamit said:
Hi. Welcome to XDA.
No, rooting the S21 ultra is not possible without tripping Knox and voiding warranty.
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Thanks for your welcoming, I have my phone through a carrier. If I succeed and root and then decide to unroot can I still lose that warranty even though I want be going to Samsung to fix it ?
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You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.
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I have my phone through a carrier and it's on upgrade and protect which is whenever a new one comes out I get to replace it with the existing credit.
varcor said:
Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device, that's assuming your device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
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ADB AppControl 🚀 Root is not required. Works with any Android device. Can do almost everything you dreamed about with applications. ADB AppControl - the desktop program, that will allow you to easily manage applications on your android device...
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Thank you for your long answe as it had so many new information to me.
I don't usually use any of these apps because I replace most of them with Google pay and anthid fitness apps, while on the other hand for apps services like find my mobile and secure folder.. there are many alternatives .
I'll wait to see what the S22 Ultra will bring to see if I should root my phone.
Thank again, really appreciate your answer
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I have my phone through a carrier and it's on upgrade and protect which is whenever a new one comes out I get to replace it with the existing credit.
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You're out of luck then because you can't revert knox. I just did it through Samsung credit and they don't seem to care but the warranty is still void either way if it's rooted.
Samsung S lover said:
Thanks for your welcoming, I have my phone through a carrier. If I succeed and root and then decide to unroot can I still lose that warranty even though I want be going to Samsung to fix it ?
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Doesn't matter if you unroot later. Once you root and trip the Knox flag, it is irreversible. It's not a software flag, it's a hardware flag called an e-fuse. Once blown, it stays blown. Whatever you do with the phone after that to restore back to stock, it will stay voided. Knox related stuff will never work again unless you change your motherboard.
I think it is possible
Could you elaborate please?
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Could you elaborate please?
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All the elaboration you need has already been said. If you want more assurance that this is not possible do a search for reset knox and see for yourself. This is just one thread of many and it was started in 2013... not trying to be a jerk but this horse is dead.