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Samsung Knox 2.0 brings two-factor authentication and better sandboxing
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You may have thought that you could get away from more Samsung news after the tsunami of Galaxy S5 coverage, but Samsung never strays too far from the headlines in the mobile world. During the S5 announcement, Samsung promised a new version of its Knox security would be unveiled, and now we know what to expect. Not surprisingly, Knox 2.0 leverages the Galaxy S5's new fingerprint scanner, and offers quite a bit more for the enterprise crowd.
The new version of Knox will offer a special treat for those who grab the new Galaxy S5 by allowing users to set up two-factor authentication on their devices. This would mean needing to both scan your fingerprint and enter your password to access your data. Samsung also has plenty of new features for those with older devices, and many focus on making management easier for both users and the IT department.
Users get better sandboxing, so you can set up separate containers for different jobs or multiple locations or even as a way to separate your work data from personal data. It has also been made easier to get the apps you want and need. Now, any apps that support Android's multi-user framework can be installed into a secure container.
On the enterprise management side, there is a new cloud-based console for IT admins to keep control of devices, user accounts, access, and apps. The system now supports iOS devices in addition to Android as well. Samsung has also set up a new Knox Marketplace, where businesses can discover and install Knox services.
Samsung has been pushing hard to gain more share of the enterprise market, but the numbers are difficult to parse. Samsung has said that it has sold 25 million devices with Knox since it first launched in , but there are only 1 million active users. It also reported 210,000 new activations each month. Knox 2.0 will be rolling out in Q2 of 2014 and will require Android 4.4.
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Any words???

NoteboyTech said:
Samsung Knox 2.0 brings two-factor authentication and better sandboxing
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Goodbye Knox 0x0 root for ever.\
Bye SAMMY

I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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avatar_ro said:
Goodbye Knox 0x0 root for ever.\
Bye SAMMY
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bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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Nobody ever said that you can't root or that you lose your warranty.

dandroid13 said:
Nobody ever said that you can't root or that you lose your warranty.
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Are you sure? I'm pretty sure if you trip your Knox counter, your warranty is void.
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bdithug said:
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure if you trip your Knox counter, your warranty is void.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50219902&postcount=1983

dandroid13 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50219902&postcount=1983
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That was in the EU though. Samsung Canada or North America might have different policy.
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I knew six months ago that any new Galaxy phone I upgrade to, will be a Google Play Edition only.
That or the Developer edition. Either should be easier to root/ROM.
AT&T and Verizon are for sure locked down. No AOSP ROM's at all.
Not sure about Sprint or T-Mobile?

Just went to best buy and spoke with a Samsung agent from their Samsung department. Rooting your phone does void your warranty here in Canada and most likely the US as well.
Screw samsung
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I ditched my s4 before the 4.2 update to avoid Knox. I am no fan of any device I can not root/recovery and then return it to factory state.
Loving life in nexus land.
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bdithug said:
Just went to best buy and spoke with a Samsung agent from their Samsung department. Rooting your phone does void your warranty here in Canada and most likely the US as well.
Screw samsung
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It'll probably be the same for all except maybe Motorola and Sony dev editions.

bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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Yeah, I said the same thing. I ended up leaving VZW for Tmo (the ETF payoff thingy) and their Note 3 has unlocked bootloader. Basically a developers edition.
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CZ Eddie said:
I knew six months ago that any new Galaxy phone I upgrade to, will be a Google Play Edition only.
That or the Developer edition. Either should be easier to root/ROM.
AT&T and Verizon are for sure locked down. No AOSP ROM's at all.
Not sure about Sprint or T-Mobile?
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lol ill repeat myself... thats the same thing I said as well before switching to Tmo and getting their Note 3 which has unlocked bootloader. Basically a developers edition.

bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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because you can't brick your computer unless you do stupid things with your motherboard bios or whatever.

bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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+1.
What is a device that do not provide me the way I wanted it to. I truly believe the very popularity of the Samsung is not just for their heavy Touchwiz UI but it provides the customization to the user to use it as they wish.
I never will let Samsung decide how I have to use my phone and it is me who should think what I have to do with my phone.
All that I say is Samsung S5 is Sorry5, Goodbye5, Sucks5 and Knox -5

I don't see what the big deal about Knox is.?? I don't have it but if I did and I have to do a warranty exchange, I'll hard brick it by flashing a bad rom etc. They can't tell it's been flashed or rooted if it won't turn on right?
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Josh McGrath said:
They can't tell it's been flashed or rooted if it won't turn on right?
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If they can boot it to download mode they can see the Knox flag so that won't work. And to anyone who said that Knox won't void your warranty in Europe etc.... Are you ready to take Samsung to court just to prove a point? They have voided warranties for custom stuff before and even though many countries have strong consumer laws, you would most likely have to sue Samsung. That would cost more time and money than most people have just to get a warranty repair/replacement.
Plus Samsung isn't the only manufacturer who's doing this. Sony has began locking their bootloaders and it's getting more and more difficult to unlock+root their phones without leaving traces. Same applies to HTC who have an "unlocked" flag for unlocked bootloaders. And LG is catching up etc.
Basically Samsung or not, the days of rooting + flashing without issues are gone. That's just how it is now.
If you want a phone to toy around, get a Nexus or be prepared to take responsibility of your device even if the fault isn't yours.

I never cared for warranty stuff,as far as I'm concerned, Knox can kiss my a$$.
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akselic said:
If they can boot it to download mode they can see the Knox flag so that won't work. And to anyone who said that Knox won't void your warranty in Europe etc.... Are you ready to take Samsung to court just to prove a point? They have voided warranties for custom stuff before and even though many countries have strong consumer laws, you would most likely have to sue Samsung. That would cost more time and money than most people have just to get a warranty repair/replacement.
Plus Samsung isn't the only manufacturer who's doing this. Sony has began locking their bootloaders and it's getting more and more difficult to unlock+root their phones without leaving traces. Same applies to HTC who have an "unlocked" flag for unlocked bootloaders. And LG is catching up etc.
Basically Samsung or not, the days of rooting + flashing without issues are gone. That's just how it is now.
If you want a phone to toy around, get a Nexus or be prepared to take responsibility of your device even if the fault isn't yours.
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True... but cut the wires off your USB charger so they're exposed. do the same on an old power cord, connect 'em and plug it in... oh, wear some rubber gloves while you do this "Hey man, the damned thing just COMBUSTED in my hand!"
(Actually, would be better with something like 24V... enough to fry the main board but not enough to generate TOO much outward hints)

Just a out of curiosity how many times you guys used your warranty for one of your phones? I have been owning phones since 2000, and I never used my warranty once..
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skivnit said:
Just a out of curiosity how many times you guys used your warranty for one of your phones? I have been owning phones since 2000, and I never used my warranty once..
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I've never done so on the manufacturer's warranty, it's always been on the insurance my carrier offers, I've done that a couple of times. They don't (or at least, never have) cared about root or warranty flags or any of that.

[Q] rooting without voiding warranty?

not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?

dn3g3l said:
not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
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Short answer, no.

We all know t mobile don't check for root so why bother yourself with this
g3 soon to be NOTE 4

its all these IBone converts that are flocking to this phone..
They're so used to Apple telling them what they can and can not do, that they dont yet know how to handle the freedom of Android/T-Mobile..

i'm just going to assume you're directing that at someone else. i've been using using android for quite some time. there was no knox when i rooted my phone before.
i don't buy insurance from tmobile so they won't be the one that's handling my warranty issues if something happens.

Like the OP, I refuse to waste money on Carrier insurance, and my previous phones did not have Knox. So it remains an important issue if you are relying on Samsung warranty. It's clear that existing root will trip Knox. My question is - what is the chance that there will be a root that does not trip knox in the future. Is it worth waiting or is knox considered to be bulletproof?
Edit: and no, I never owned an iPhone, and all my Androids have been rooted so far.

From what I read nobody has been able to break the Knox that Samsung share this knowledge with Google.
If the phone died and no fault of your own, Samsung will not take it back even if Knox is tripped?

Im not expert but I think that Samsung has to have a way to remove " tripped Knox flag " or any phone with hardware failure and Knox flag tripped would have no resale value if, for example, usb port is replaced.
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dn3g3l said:
not sure if it's too early to ask this yet, but is there already a root method that doesn't trip knox or whatever thing that can void the warranty?
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it IS too early to ask; the phone has been out for a few days, so if you're paranoid about rooting because of tripping Knox, you'll have to just wait around and see, or develop an exploit and share it with the rest of the folks who feel they need it..

I've given back a Note 2 and a Note 3, KNOX wasn't out for Note 2 but it was rooted. Note 3 had a counter of like 12, as stated above, T-Mobile doesn't check.

BACARDILIMON said:
We all know t mobile don't check for root so why bother yourself with this
g3 soon to be NOTE 4
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This couldn't be any more true. I've rooted every phone I've had with them that could be rooted and never once had them turn me down for an exchange or replacement unit. Hell I think I replaced my old one s maybe seven or eight times over the years I had it and I even stopped flashing it back to stock and just sent it back. Not like it's super hard for them to clean it all back up to stock.

I'm certain that when you return a phone to most vendors, they just throw it into the "defect" pile, and those phones either gets wiped and re-imaged, or they send them to some 3rd party who buys them cheap and does that on their own.
after spending many years as a director of sales for a consumer electronics company, I know how expensive it is to try and inspect/repair returns, so I cant imagine that Samsung/t mobile/att and who ever else even bothers to look at them.
If you think about the thousands of phones coming back as returns every day, handling them any more than absolutely necessary is a major losing proposition for these companies, and they only care about profit. When you return your rooted/knoxed/bricked phone, they NEVER repair it, you just get a new or rebuilt one sent out to you.
But hey, if you want to worry about tripping Knox or sending in a rooted phone, and that you will be in trouble/charged/punished for that, then you just go ahead and keep thinking that!:cyclops::cyclops:

By week 2 we should have about 8 of these threads. Should have at least 2 about triangle away and a few about screen saturated.
NOTE 4

BACARDILIMON said:
By week 2 we should have about 8 of these threads. Should have at least 2 about triangle away and a few about screen saturated.
NOTE 4
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@BACARDILIMON it wont even take that long!

Just need a yes or no, please..

I just want a quick answer as I keep finding people claiming to be able to root t-mobile s6 sm-g920t ver. 5.1.1. I cannot find anything to support this without a lot of headaches, much less being able to find and download needed files for root.
Can I successfully root this Samsung Galaxy s6 SM-G920t?
Or should I go back to my HTC phone?
Thanks,
chevy383surfing
FYI: I got this phone yesterday as a promotional and did not have to pay for it. I have always strayed away from Samsung because of all the hassles involved in rooting any Samsung device over the course of the last 10 years or maybe a little less. As soon as I signed in to my Google account the damned phone automatically updated. "Thanks for the options Samsung!!! I didn't have any choice but to go through with the update.

Yes, you can root it easily but you will void your warranty by tripping Knox.

KaneHusky said:
Yes, you can root it easily but you will void your warranty by tripping Knox.
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I am not worried about warranties. I root all of my android devices. I pay the phone companies a lot of money every month. I usually buy all my devices straight out too. So Samsung can do what they need to, as long as they stay out of my way, I will stay out of their way. Anyway, my other main concern is all the calling problems and the finger print phone lock. Will these break regardless?
Thanks for the fast reply, too!

chevy383surfing said:
I am not worried about warranties. I root all of my android devices. I pay the phone companies a lot of money every month. I usually buy all my devices straight out too. So Samsung can do what they need to, as long as they stay out of my way, I will stay out of their way. Anyway, my other main concern is all the calling problems and the finger print phone lock. Will these break regardless?
Thanks for the fast reply, too!
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The only downside to rooting the latest firmware versions is you cannot use Samsung Pay with Knox tripped. Other than that, I haven't experienced calling problems or any issues with the fingerprint reader. Haven't heard of call problems as a result of rooting but the fingerprint sensor not working was a result of using the engineering bootloader (to maintain Knox warranty status) on a previous firmware release.

Knox apps broken worth it

Hi guys I really want to root but my main worrys is knox does anyone have a full list of what tripping knox brakes
I've head that most custom roms can save s health is there anything else
I must admit I don't use Samsung pay or secure folder
I just don't want to have features broken where it make parts of the device useless forever like the heart rate monitor ect
Thanks

Basically that's it.
Samsung Pay, And secure folder, i can use everything else.
In my country we don't have samsung pay so idc, and for secure folder i just use private mode or app lock instead, i don't feel like im missing anything.

bigpapa007 said:
Basically that's it.
Samsung Pay, And secure folder, i can use everything else.
In my country we don't have samsung pay so idc, and for secure folder i just use private mode or app lock instead, i don't feel like im missing anything.
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Well here in the UK Samsung pay doesn't support Halifax yet and it's not somethi g I'd use anyways so s health ect is fine
What about Samsung pass? Then again I carnt see me using that either lol

There's also the problem that you won't receive OTA security updates unless you're using the official firmware.

I know in the past the value of the phone for re-sale is lower on a Knox tripped phone as well, so if you want to get a decent price for the phone if you don't plan on keeping it until it dies that is something to consider as well.

I never had a problem selling rooted phones, as long as you're honest about it when selling, rooting is one of the first things a lot of buyers will do anyway.
my rooted with custom ROM note 4 sold for 335 euro when I bought the n8 last year

If you do not care about knox and samsung pay, AND, in your country rooting does not void warranty, root it

Question Root without voiding Knox and warranty?

Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.

Welcome to XDA
There's that pesky little efuse that protects Knox's integrity... once blown the mobo or that chipset needs to be replaced.
Sammy will do it for $400 apparently, according to one member here who did what you're thinking of doing. Get to know it a bit first...

Samsung S lover said:
Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.
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Hi. Welcome to XDA.
No, rooting the S21 ultra is not possible without tripping Knox and voiding warranty.

You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.

Misterxtc said:
You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.
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Except for the warranty issue. Sammy will likely charge you for the blown efuse -if- the choose to repair it. It's a $400 fuse

blackhawk said:
Except for the warranty issue. Sammy will likely charge you for the blown efuse -if- the choose to repair it. It's a $400 fuse
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True, they most likely won't even touch it for repair if it's rooted.

Misterxtc said:
True, they most likely won't even touch it for repair if it's rooted.
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One member recently had their display die and Samsung did replace it but charged them for a new mobo because of the blown efuse.
Samsung is pretty much silently admitting there's a display issue on some of these units.
If the 3rd party firmware fried the display he lucked out because the display was from a known bad batch. Samsung can only determine this many times by direct inspection, not remotely.
Samsung usually doesn't do warranty repairs on rooted phones, right?
Interesting, isn't it? It doesn't give you a warm cozy feeling though about Samsung though

blackhawk said:
One member recently had their display die and Samsung did replace it but charged them for a new mobo because of the blown efuse.
Samsung is pretty much silently admitting there's a display issue on some of these units.
If the 3rd party firmware fried the display he lucked out because the display was from a known bad batch. Samsung can only determine this many times by direct inspection, not remotely.
Samsung usually doesn't do warranty repairs on rooted phones, right?
Interesting, isn't it? It doesn't give you a warm cozy feeling though about Samsung though
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Yup sounds like a money grab to me.

Misterxtc said:
Yup sounds like a money grab to me.
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The problem being the phone was rooted. Better have deep pockets if you want to root a new flagship Samsung device.
Basically Samsung returned it to factory specs and charged to repair the "damage" caused by rooting.
I hate knox... it serves me no purpose like the little tard bixby.
Lame Samsung security

Samsung S lover said:
Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.
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Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device, that's assuming your device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
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varcor said:
Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device and if the device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
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The potential to brick the phone should weigh heavily in one's decision to root especially on a expensive flagship device.
Just read all the " Help!!! I bricked my device" threads posted here. Lots of pretty paperweights...
Losing the factory warranty on the display and mobo are a big deal. Both are expensive and hard to repair.
OTA updates break phones too
It's the first apk I package block.
Those other apks I never use but each person is different and if your needs change... you don't want to find yourself painted in a corner with paint that never dries.
The stock Samsungs can generally be configured to run very well without rooting. More than one way to skin this cat...

blackhawk said:
Welcome to XDA
There's that pesky little efuse that protects Knox's integrity... once blown the mobo or that chipset needs to be replaced.
Sammy will do it for $400 apparently, according to one member here who did what you're thinking of doing. Get to know it a bit first...
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Thank you so much for replying and for your advice and information, I really appreciate. Thank you again

enigmaamit said:
Hi. Welcome to XDA.
No, rooting the S21 ultra is not possible without tripping Knox and voiding warranty.
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Thanks for your welcoming, I have my phone through a carrier. If I succeed and root and then decide to unroot can I still lose that warranty even though I want be going to Samsung to fix it ?

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You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.
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I have my phone through a carrier and it's on upgrade and protect which is whenever a new one comes out I get to replace it with the existing credit.

varcor said:
Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device, that's assuming your device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
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ADB AppControl 🚀 Root is not required. Works with any Android device. Can do almost everything you dreamed about with applications. ADB AppControl - the desktop program, that will allow you to easily manage applications on your android device...
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Thank you for your long answe as it had so many new information to me.
I don't usually use any of these apps because I replace most of them with Google pay and anthid fitness apps, while on the other hand for apps services like find my mobile and secure folder.. there are many alternatives .
I'll wait to see what the S22 Ultra will bring to see if I should root my phone.
Thank again, really appreciate your answer

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I have my phone through a carrier and it's on upgrade and protect which is whenever a new one comes out I get to replace it with the existing credit.
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You're out of luck then because you can't revert knox. I just did it through Samsung credit and they don't seem to care but the warranty is still void either way if it's rooted.

Samsung S lover said:
Thanks for your welcoming, I have my phone through a carrier. If I succeed and root and then decide to unroot can I still lose that warranty even though I want be going to Samsung to fix it ?
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Doesn't matter if you unroot later. Once you root and trip the Knox flag, it is irreversible. It's not a software flag, it's a hardware flag called an e-fuse. Once blown, it stays blown. Whatever you do with the phone after that to restore back to stock, it will stay voided. Knox related stuff will never work again unless you change your motherboard.

I think it is possible

Could you elaborate please?

enigmaamit said:
Could you elaborate please?
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All the elaboration you need has already been said. If you want more assurance that this is not possible do a search for reset knox and see for yourself. This is just one thread of many and it was started in 2013... not trying to be a jerk but this horse is dead.