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Just wondering if the HTC raider (international version of vivid) will be recognized by ATT's imei database. I'm trying to keep my unlimited medianet plan
No it won't. Using two of them on medianet plans
i would say they probably can, especially if you use more data than say a MEdia Net user would use, that would raise some flags.
newter55 said:
No it won't. Using two of them on medianet plans
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Excellent exactly the answer I needed! BTW can you access LTE with it or are you only on 3G/3.5G?
n4v1n said:
Excellent exactly the answer I needed! BTW can you access LTE with it or are you only on 3G/3.5G?
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For LTE you would need an LTE capable sim card. For 4g youd need a capable 4g sim card, for 3g you'd need a 3g capable sim card. Sim cards are backwards capable but not forwards.
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travisxcore said:
For LTE you would need an LTE capable sim card. For 4g youd need a capable 4g sim card, for 3g you'd need a 3g capable sim card. Sim cards are backwards capable but not forwards.
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That was not my question. WHat I was asking was can he get LTE using the medianet plan.
n4v1n said:
That was not my question. WHat I was asking was can he get LTE using the medianet plan.
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No, its not an LTE capable APN. LTE has a totally seperate RAN and Core network from the 2G/3G RAN and Core Network.
PTA is LTE APN you should be using.
using the MEdia Net plan with the Vivid is like driving a Ferarri with a Yugo engine.
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travisxcore said:
For LTE you would need an LTE capable sim card. For 4g youd need a capable 4g sim card, for 3g you'd need a 3g capable sim card. Sim cards are backwards capable but not forwards.
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incorrect, you need 4 things:
1. LTE SIM Card
2. LTE Data Plan
3. LTE device
4. LTE network
even if you dont live in an LTE market, you still need 1-3. otherwise you end up changing APN's and not getting a good experience.
Its not a question of if youd gave a good time doing it. I mean if the dude wants to use a medianet plan on a lte phone obviously he dgaf bout having a good time using this thing.
It is possible as asked. No you can't get LTE but yes you can get data.
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travisxcore said:
Its not a question of if youd gave a good time doing it. I mean if the dude wants to use a medianet plan on a lte phone obviously he dgaf bout having a good time using this thing.
It is possible as asked. No you can't get LTE but yes you can get data.
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yes, he can get data, however, eventually he will get caught.
This is incorrect:
travisxcore said:
For LTE you would need an LTE capable sim card. For 4g youd need a capable 4g sim card, for 3g you'd need a 3g capable sim card. Sim cards are backwards capable but not forwards.
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For LTE you need a LTE SIM
For "4G"(HSPA/HSPA+) you need a 3G SIM... because it's really 3G.
For "4G (UMTS that the vivid calls 4G) you need a 3G SIM
My co-worker bought a Vivid and they did not replace his SIM... his phone worked fine as far as he knew until I asked if he was digging the LTE they had turned on a day earlier... He had no LTE, but was cruising along at HSPA+ speeds just fine... went to the AT&T store, got the right SIM and PRESTO! LTE.
Same SIM he had had since his 3G Blackberry Curve... no way was it a "4G SIM"
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This is incorrect:
For LTE you need a LTE SIM
For "4G"(HSPA/HSPA+) you need a 3G SIM... because it's really 3G.
For "4G (UMTS that the vivid calls 4G) you need a 3G SIM
My co-worker bought a Vivid and they did not replace his SIM... his phone worked fine as far as he knew until I asked if he was digging the LTE they had turned on a day earlier... He had no LTE, but was cruising along at HSPA+ speeds just fine... went to the AT&T store, got the right SIM and PRESTO! LTE.
Same SIM he had had since his 3G Blackberry Curve... no way was it a "4G SIM"
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AT&T has had 6 revisions of SIM card, as long as you have a SIM card with the digits 25 in 9th/10th place, you have an LTE SIM card, and what i was talking was requirements for LTE, separate RAN and Core network. those 4 things drive the ability for you to be provisioned in the HSS (LTE equivalent of the HLR in the 3g network) you just proved my point above, "got the right SIM and PRESTO! LTE." SIM, IMEI, rate plan drive whether or not you get provisioned in the HSS.
i could go into more detail, however, I'm feeling lazy and tired at the moment.
i am betting they can see what device he has, even if international, AT&T probably has a range of IMEI for the HTC holiday and i am betting it is within that range,
When I got my Atrix 4G they gave me a 4G sim card. 4G is different from 3G(+) It uses the same protocol yes but they upgraded the way the data is handled. As we all know 3G(+) was limited to 7.5mpbs. When I had the Atrix I was getting ~13mbps. There is a difference, and I've seen and researched it. Don't think I would put something in the General Knowledge Thread if I knew nothing about it
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When I got my Atrix 4G they gave me a 4G sim card. 4G is different from 3G(+) It uses the same protocol yes but they upgraded the way the data is handled (mainly its a modem upgrade). As we all know 3G(+) was limited to 7.5mpbs. When I had the Atrix I was getting ~13mbps. There is a difference, and I've seen and researched it. Don't think I would put something in the General Knowledge Thread if I knew nothing about it
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the Atrix is a 14.4mbps device. APN you probably were using was Phone, its not as limited like wap.cingular is.
HSDPA devices were 7.2, HSPA+ devices are usually 14.4 or higher
Original "4G" devices:
Inspire: 14.4mbps
Infuse: 21.mps
Atrix: 14.4mbps
Thrill:14.4mbps
does the SIM card have the digits 25 in the 9th and 10th place? they have had 4G sim's out for a while.
You have to have 4G sim to access the APN is what I'm getting at. Just like you have to have an LTE sim to acess the LTE APN. I'm just dumbing it down so someone won't expect changing their APN to work. Now I have an LTE sim, I exchanged phones quite a few times before I stuck with this one.
As for actually data speeds I've gotten -
3G is ~1 (tested on iPhone4, bud hasn't changed his simcard in years)
3G+ is ~5 (tested on LG Quantum)
4G is ~13 (tested on Atrix 2)
4G LTE is ~ 26 (tested on HTC Vivid)
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You have to have 4G sim to access the APN is what I'm getting at. Just like you have to have an LTE sim to acess the LTE APN. I'm just dumbing it down so someone won't expect changing their APN to work. Now I have an LTE sim, I exchanged phones quite a few times before I stuck with this one.
As for actually data speeds I've gotten -
3G is ~1 (tested on iPhone4, bud hasn't changed his simcard in years)
3G+ is ~5 (tested on LG Quantum)
4G is ~13
4G LTE is ~ 26
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yes, that sounds about right, i dunno where you are man, I've only seen 10mbps down and that was at 2:30 AM. LTE i have averaged that in NYC.
Around the Charlotte, NC area. It really depends on where I am. Some towers give me ~23. Others ~28. I got ~5mps in Concord, NC. Its horrible how much it varies in just a couple of miles.
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Around the Charlotte, NC area. It really depends on where I am. Some towers give me ~23. Others ~28. I got ~5mps in Concord, NC. Its horrible how much it varies in just a couple of miles.
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interesting...
Yup. I like having AT&T here. We got the backhaul (4G) a month after the Inspire's release. A good 70% of 3G areas don't even have the backhaul implemented yet (hence the reason people stating they switched cards and got no speed difference). This one guy had an inspire was only getting E around here. He got his sim card switched and out of nowhere he got 4G. Its kinda funny how the coverage doesn't overlap like one would imagine.
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Yup. I like having AT&T here. We got the backhaul (4G) a month after the Inspire's release. A good 70% of 3G areas don't even have the backhaul implemented yet (hence the reason people stating they switched cards and got no speed difference). This one guy had an inspire was only getting E around here. He got his sim card switched and out of nowhere he got 4G. Its kinda funny how the coverage doesn't overlap like one would imagine.
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Hmmm, very interesting, I wouldn't like Charlotte as its a mostly 1900mhz market. Poor building penetration.
I've heard people say that, and honestly I've had no issue what so ever with it. I have never dropped signal inside a building. I do get poor signal in parking garages, and old buildings though, but thats kind of expected. Haha.
Hi guys, I'm currently in China and I want my friend in US to bring me a moto x. My ISP is running CDMA in China so I guess the only option is the Verizon version. My question is does it have a sim card slot so I can insert my own CDMA sim card to use? Is there any lock on the device？ Thanks in advance for helping!
It depends where you are going, generally though you will need to get a GSM sim card to use your phone unless there is roaming support with verizon through another company such a vodaphone. Just be careful as data while roaming is VERY expensive.
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It depends where you are going, generally though you will need to get a GSM sim card to use your phone unless there is roaming support with verizon through another company such a vodaphone. Just be careful as data while roaming is VERY expensive.
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Thanks for reply. Does that mean the sim card is only for GSM/WCDMA, not for CDMA(EDGE, Rev.A)?
I haven't been on Verizon since the thunderbolt but I know that had a Sim card slot for the LTE Sim card.. I would assume this would have the same on Verizon now but can't be sure you'd have to wait for someone with a vzw x answers
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Modern verizon sim cards are used for CDMA, GSM and LTE connections. When you travel I'd say just get a GSM sim card and don't even worry about CDMA.
I've inserted non-Verizon CDMA RUIM into XT1060 and it works! Though no data at all, and ##PROGRAM and *#*#4636#*#* do not work, so cannot access user activation settings.
A sim from my wife's AT&T iPhone 5 worked fine in my Verizon Moto X with HSPA+ speeds. No issues at all, no nothing. Just worked.
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A sim from my wife's AT&T iPhone 5 worked fine in my Verizon Moto X with HSPA+ speeds. No issues at all, no nothing. Just worked.
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GSM is not an issue, connecting to another CDMA network usually is!
Hi. Greetings to all
I'm from Malaysia, and I'm interested to buy Moto X from RW since it's cheaper than DE. And I'm sure it's locked, but does it support GSM network? On wiki it writes unknown. Before, it used to share the same column as Sprint
Thanks in advance for your answer/s!
syathibiy said:
Hi. Greetings to all
I'm from Malaysia, and I'm interested to buy Moto X from RW since it's cheaper than DE. And I'm sure it's locked, but does it support GSM network? On wiki it writes unknown. Before, it used to share the same column as Sprint
Thanks in advance for your answer/s!
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Since RW uses Sprint as its network, the Moto X you buy from them would be CDMA.
The phone is CDMA but it does have a SIM slot. So I'm wondering if it's possible to use with a GSM carrier. Or how to even root this phone.
The sim card is for the lte.
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Since RW uses Sprint as its network, the Moto X you buy from them would be CDMA.
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Madblaster6 said:
The phone is CDMA but it does have a SIM slot. So I'm wondering if it's possible to use with a GSM carrier. Or how to even root this phone.
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That's the thing. Is it really CDMA? If I'm not mistaken, a CDMA phone doesn't use a SIM and doesn't even have a SIM slot. So, what's the SIM slot for? If one can put a SIM card, shouldn't it mean one can also use the GSM network? No?
https://community.republicwireless.com/docs/DOC-1652#CONNECTIVITY
Networks
CDMA (1900 and 800)/EVDO Rev. A - 4G LTE
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https://community.republicwireless.com/docs/DOC-1652#CONNECTIVITY
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Yep, noticed that when I went thru RW website. But can you explain why is there a SIM slot?
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Yep, noticed that when I went thru RW website. But can you explain why is there a SIM slot?
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Sure, LTE is the reason for SIM.
CDMA is a single-band network (hence why previously you could not talk and surf the web simultaneously). In order to connect on the LTE frequency, the SIM (Subscriber Identity Module) card identifies the phone for registering on the network.
Sprint uses 850Mhz for CDMA and 1900Mhz for LTE.
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Sure, LTE is the reason for SIM.
CDMA is a single-band network (hence why previously you could not talk and surf the web simultaneously). In order to connect on the LTE frequency, the SIM (Subscriber Identity Module) card identifies the phone for registering on the network.
Sprint uses 850Mhz for CDMA and 1900Mhz for LTE.
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So, you're saying all CDMA phones are using SIM now for its LTE connectivity?
I'm not sure if EVERY cdma LTE phone uses a SIM, but I do know that it's very common.
Every LTE phone uses a Sim. Because LTE is for one thing a gsm technology.
The republic wireless moto x hardware probably does support normal non LTE gsm as its the same hardware as the sprint model . that said its probably boot loader locked and firmware locked to not support gsm . they are not that dumb to let people buy the phones to not use on their network .
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Every LTE phone uses a Sim. Because LTE is for one thing a gsm technology.
The republic wireless moto x hardware probably does support normal non LTE gsm as its the same hardware as the sprint model . that said its probably boot loader locked and firmware locked to not support gsm . they are not that dumb to let people buy the phones to not use on their network .
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It's not that I don't wanna use their network. It's because of the limited availability and, price point too
sleepyguy007 said:
Every LTE phone uses a Sim. Because LTE is for one thing a gsm technology.
The republic wireless moto x hardware probably does support normal non LTE gsm as its the same hardware as the sprint model . that said its probably boot loader locked and firmware locked to not support gsm . they are not that dumb to let people buy the phones to not use on their network .
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This is what I was curious about. Whether or not the radios are there and just disabled, or whether they do not exist in it at all.
I have a Nexus 6 that I bought from Motorola.com and am using it with an activated nano sim card on Verizon. Previously I have had no problems with getting signal (LTE or 3G) but now that it just updated to 5.1.1 I can only get 3G when network settings are on "LTE/CDMA" and I get LTE when set on "LTE/GSM/UMTS". I am in an area that has pretty strong 4G but cant get it unless I change the setting. Has anyone else had a problem with this? Also I am open to suggestions for alternate ROMS that have been found to work well on Verizon. Thanks.
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I have a Nexus 6 that I bought from Motorola.com and am using it with an activated nano sim card on Verizon. Previously I have had no problems with getting signal (LTE or 3G) but now that it just updated to 5.1.1 I can only get 3G when network settings are on "LTE/CDMA" and I get LTE when set on "LTE/GSM/UMTS". I am in an area that has pretty strong 4G but cant get it unless I change the setting. Has anyone else had a problem with this? Also I am open to suggestions for alternate ROMS that have been found to work well on Verizon. Thanks.
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Verify that you are using the correct APN. However, I believe the correct setting for you would be LTE/GSM as Verizon is a GSM carrier.
LTE/CDMA works fine for me on Verizon.
Verizon is not a GSM Carrier. They are CDMA just like Sprint. The only reason both companies use SIM cards is for LTE only.
graydiggy said:
Verizon is not a GSM Carrier. They are CDMA just like Sprint. The only reason both companies use SIM cards is for LTE only.
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Thanks for clarification! I thought AT&T was the other CDMA and the rest were GSM besides Sprint. Again, thanks for setting me straight.
AT&T and T-Mobile are GSM, Sprint and Verizon are CDMA. Just for future reference.
Just wondering how did we know that our devices connected to LTE advance? or where should i enable it. In Samsung S7 Edge the sign in the status bar will show 4g+ when its connected to LTE advance, and only 4G when it is on Normal LTE.
In Xperia device it is like always show only LTE sign without anything like LTE+, or it should be somewhere to enable it anyone has a clues? please show your screen capture if you able to connected to it and how Thank you
I only have 4G icon all the time, never seen 4G+. I don't know why. Maybe because there's no LTE advamced around.
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Just wondering how did we know that our devices connected to LTE advance? or where should i enable it. In Samsung S7 Edge the sign in the status bar will show 4g+ when its connected to LTE advance, and only 4G when it is on Normal LTE.
In Xperia device it is like always show only LTE sign without anything like LTE+, or it should be somewhere to enable it anyone has a clues? please show your screen capture if you able to connected to it and how Thank you
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What carrier are you with and where are you located?
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I'm in Thailand and ww have 2 operators now support LTE-A which is TrueMoveH and AIS. attached is my TrueMoveH carrier with Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge you can see the plus sign just next to 4G means it is connected to 4G+ (4.5G LTEA whatever it called, but same tech of Carrier Aggregation AKA CA combine two band of 4g together to get the higher speed). Anyway speed wise for this post is slowww hahaha (notmally it is easily reach around 150-250mbps).
But my Xperia just show LTE and no any option to enable ot anywwhere so i would love for anyone to share in your country how it is looks when xperia x performance connected to 4G+ or any screen shot to enable it.
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I'm in Thailand and ww have 2 operators now support LTE-A which is TrueMoveH and AIS. attached is my TrueMoveH carrier with Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge you can see the plus sign just next to 4G means it is connected to 4G+ (4.5G LTEA whatever it called, but same tech of Carrier Aggregation AKA CA combine two band of 4g together to get the higher speed). Anyway speed wise for this post is slowww hahaha (notmally it is easily reach around 150-250mbps).
But my Xperia just show LTE and no any option to enable ot anywwhere so i would love for anyone to share in your country how it is looks when xperia x performance connected to 4G+ or any screen shot to enable it.
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Do you have the Truemove Sim card in your S7E and an AIS Sim in your Xperia or are both phones using Truemove?
Have you swapped the Sim cards to see if the Sim card in your S7E will provide the settings for Enhanced LTE?
I have read through several threads about the Xperia X Performance and found that some users don't have the options in their settings to enable Enhanced 4G LTE unless the Sim card they are using is provisioned for it from the carrier.
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Do you have the Truemove Sim card in your S7E and an AIS Sim in your Xperia or are both phones using Truemove?
Have you swapped the Sim cards to see if the Sim card in your S7E will provide the settings for Enhanced LTE?
I have read through several threads about the Xperia X Performance and found that some users don't have the options in their settings to enable Enhanced 4G LTE unless the Sim card they are using is provisioned for it from the carrier.
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I can confirm this.
Its not the phone that enables 4G or LTE but the sim card.
If your sim doesnt support 4G etc, you wont be able to access it.
I have tested it myself with a new and old sim card on the xp.
1 sim only alowed 3G, while the new sim gave me 4G.
fast69mopar i try swap things and did not see anything.
XxKYNGxX Thank you for answer, what i mean is LTE adavance not 4G LTE. All my sim are running normal 4G LTE but my S7Edge running LTE advance (4G+)
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fast69mopar i try swap things and did not see anything.
XxKYNGxX Thank you for answer, what i mean is LTE adavance not 4G LTE. All my sim are running normal 4G LTE but my S7Edge running LTE advance (4G+)
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Okay. So, from everything I have read about TruemoveH and their networks, the Sony Xperia X Performance does support 3xCarrier Aggregation on their network. Even though the device supports CA and does work on their 3xCA there is not anything that will show up on the display to alert you when you are using it. The only thing that may give you a chance to see it is the LTE Discovery app from the Play Store. For example, here in the United States on Verizon networks, when I was connected to band 4 in my area, the LTE Discovery app listed band 4 as XLTE which is Verizon's was of telling customers they are using Advanced LTE. When you open the app, the LTE band is located in the top left box in the app. Below the band number could possibly show if you are actually using Advanced LTE. Hope this helps. Good luck.
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I see 4g+ sometimes but the speed is not noticeable as 4g is fast enough.
4g+ on European nordic ?
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any speed above 150mbps is LTE Advance.
Okay so i am not worrying about this anymore but in my openion they should show the most advance technology they got on screen for the user, like we have H and H+. We still got the best speed on towm on this device though
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tanipat said:
Okay so i am not worrying about this anymore but in my openion they should show the most advance technology they got on screen for the user, like we have H and H+. We still got the best speed on towm on this device though
Thank you for all comments
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If I remember, I think I did see H+ and H on my XP.
Guys, today i saw 4G+ icon on my XP for the first time. I suppose that was a LTE advanced itself.