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Does it present any security issues to unlock a bootloader without rooting? I don't mean if you lose your phone, I mean is there a security issue with any apps you install?
That's always a risk. Read playstore comments before installing anything.
Has nothing to do with being rooted or not...or boot loader state.
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Cozume said:
Does it present any security issues to unlock a bootloader without rooting? I don't mean if you lose your phone, I mean is there a security issue with any apps you install?
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You could have asked at AC and I would answer it over there.
Unlocking bootloader and/or running custom recovery is a big risk. When you unlocked bootloader, all the partitions in your phone can be accessed and modified. I can flash custom recovery to your phone. Custom recovery give full root access to the phone. It is then easily possible to copy all your data from the phone and also disable the lock for your phone. Although if you encrypt your phone, then custom recovery will require the password to give access to the /data partition, which is where all the user datas are. I guess if someone is determine enough, then they can make an image copy of your phone and try to decrypt it.
If you want to keep your data safe, disable USB Debugging (because exploits can be used with ADB to gain access to the phone), use stock recovery and lock bootloader. However, if the phone brick then you can't get back your data in the phone.
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Unlocking bootloader and/or running custom recovery is a big risk. When you unlocked bootloader, all the partitions in your phone can be accessed and modified.
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but can an app do this? And if so, what permissions would the app need to do this. Also, I am not talking about flashing a custom recovery; just an unlocked bootloader.
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If you want to keep your data safe, disable USB Debugging (because exploits can be used with ADB to gain access to the phone), use stock recovery and lock bootloader.
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but can an app do harm to your phone if you have USB debugging enabled? I know a person who finds your phone can. I am asking about apps.
Cozume said:
but can an app do this? And if so, what permissions would the app need to do this. Also, I am not talking about flashing a custom recovery; just an unlocked bootloader.
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If the phone isn't root, then probably not, unless there is some security holes it can exploit. With root it is possible to modify the whole system. Motorola and HTC have an extra layer to prevent simple root to modify the system partition, but as you can see, just visit dev section if you want to remove it.
but can an app do harm to your phone if you have USB debugging enabled? I know a person who finds your phone can. I am asking about apps.
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It is possible for apps to get access to sensitive data and change system settings with USB Debugging enabled. Helium required it turned on to make backup of your contacts, sms and apps data for example.
If you have an older Android phone, you don't need to do anything except to enable USB Debugging and run a program to install root. But we're trusting apps like SuperUser and SuperSU to control apps access to root, so that's a layer of protection. But KitKat is much safer now.
You don't need root to install malware and virus to your phone. Just download an infected app or use unreliable app stores like Aptoide. Also if you have the option "Unknown sources" enabled, which almost all of us do, the app can utilize it to automatically install other apps in the background.
Point I'm trying to make is, if the phone have unlocked bootloader, or even locked bootloader with custom recovery, and someone else have a hold of it, then all bets are off.
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If the phone isn't root, then probably not, unless there is some security holes it can exploit. With root it is possible to modify the whole system.
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great, that is what I want to know. I knew a human being in possession of your phone could do more damage if it were unlocked, which is why I got rid of the bootloader unlocked warning message.
BTW - do you know if flashing the original kit kat boot logo to replace the bootloader warning message presents a problem for accepting the OTA update to 4.4.2?
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Motorola and HTC have an extra layer to prevent simple root to modify the system partition, but as you can see, just visit dev section if you want to remove it.
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Ok so then on my Moto X, since flashing a new logo doesn't even require root, it shouldn't have affected any system files and then it would be safe to take the OTA after removing the bootloader unlocked warning?
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It is possible for apps to get access to sensitive data and change system settings with USB Debugging enabled. Helium required it turned on to make backup of your contacts, sms and apps data for example.
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good to know!
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But we're trusting apps like SuperUser and SuperSU to control apps access to root, so that's a layer of protection.
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ok, that is how I understand it. Unless I give the app access to root through SuperSU, it can't.
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But KitKat is much safer now.
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why is this?
eksasol said:
Also if you have the option "Unknown sources" enabled, which almost all of us do, the app can utilize it to automatically install other apps in the background.
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thanks, Amazon app store required that to be enabled to load apps from their app store.
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great, that is what I want to know. I knew a human being in possession of your phone could do more damage if it were unlocked, which is why I got rid of the bootloader unlocked warning message.
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BTW - do you know if flashing the original kit kat boot logo to replace the bootloader warning message presents a problem for accepting the OTA update to 4.4.2?
Ok so then on my Moto X, since flashing a new logo doesn't even require root, it shouldn't have affected any system files and then it would be safe to take the OTA after removing the bootloader unlocked warning?
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That depend on the checking that the dev put in the OTA package. On the Nexus device, if you are missing any original system APK, modify the radio partition, modify GPS setting file, or modify the build.prop, etc, the OTA will fail. So I assume the same with Moto X OTA. The safest bet is to make sure all the partition are original first (except the /data partition where your data resides) before receiving an OTA.
ok, that is how I understand it. Unless I give the app access to root through SuperSU, it can't.
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Yes. The actual component of root isn't the SuperSU app, but a 'su' binary. Without the SuperSU app, anything can have full fledged root access. You need SuperSU to control that access.
why is this?
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For many reason, I'm not a developer so I can only talk about what I know and seen from a user perspective. It used to be that you can flash an exploited update.zip to modify the stock recovery of Android, in order to make it ignore the package signatures, so the recovery could flash any package without the correct signature. Now there are no such exploits for latest stock recovery. With USB Debugging enabled in Android 4.3 or newer, it would not even allow access when connected to a PC unless you accept to trust that PC in a pop up dialog in the phone, I'm not sure if it's mean the phone is totally invulnerable to exploits (like memory overflow), you'll have to ask someone smarter. Also apps like Framaroot that I just linked won't work anymore.
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That depend on the checking that the dev put in the OTA package. On the Nexus device, if you are missing any original system APK, modify the radio partition, modify GPS setting file, or modify the build.prop, etc, the OTA will fail. So I assume the same with Moto X OTA. The safest bet is to make sure all the partition are original first (except the /data partition where your data resides) before receiving an OTA. My guess is if you tried it with modified logo it will either fail or overwrite it.
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OK, I think I am going to unroot and flash back to stock just to be sure.
Thanks again! I would hit the thanks button but I used up all my thanks today and it won't let me.
Cozume said:
OK, I think I am going to unroot and flash back to stock just to be sure.
Thanks again! I would hit the thanks button but I used up all my thanks today and it won't let me.
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You already gave me enough thanks at AC.
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You already gave me enough thanks at AC.
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what is your user name there?
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what is your user name there?
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someguy
Why so paranoid? Have you read any posts on xda of such things....I haven't.
If you are sideloading apps the risk increases for sure. But apps on the play store would have tonnes of comments about it if the app was screwing up the system.
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ok great!
kj2112 said:
Why so paranoid? Have you read any posts on xda of such things....I haven't.
If you are sideloading apps the risk increases for sure. But apps on the play store would have tonnes of comments about it if the app was screwing up the system.
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I am just trying to understand how all of this works.
Okay one thing why are you trying to unlock the bootloader without rooting?? Or did I read everything wrong? And yes unlocking the bootloader allows you to write to every partition of the phone. Except when HTC and you're s-on you have to manually flash the boot.img via fastboot. But with moto. There is no point in unlocking the bootloader if you're not doing anything. Two it voids your warranty. Three it can disable functions on your phone like features, camera options I think and yeah etc. But if you follow instructions you won't have any problems ever rooting or shouldn't if you semi have a brain and know how to follow instructions if not well you can somewhat brick :$ I don't mess with moto much but I have. Sorry this thread was in my latest and scrolling through xda. Lol. You can unlock you're phone straight from the moto website. But if you're not rooting. Eh no point.
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I just read this thread, particularly page 2 why we can't relock the Motorola bootloader (yet it seems), unlike Nexus devices, I think it's really bad for security.
edit: link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2575586&page=2
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Okay one thing why are you trying to unlock the bootloader without rooting??
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I rooted but a friend of mine is unlocked but not rooted. She wanted to be unlocked because it wipes your device so wanted to do it before she got the phone all set up. She is afraid of rooting. Anyhow, maybe she shouldn't have unlocked but she did.
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There is no point in unlocking the bootloader if you're not doing anything. Two it voids your warranty.
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She has the dev ed so it doesn't void her warranty. And she may want to Wifi tether in the future so I told her she needs to unlock and root for that so get the dev ed. She did and unlocked but is afraid to go any further.
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You can unlock you're phone straight from the moto website. But if you're not rooting. Eh no point.
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It increases the phone's resale value to unlock it.
eksasol said:
I just read this thread, particularly page 2 why we can't relock the Motorola bootloader (yet it seems), unlike Nexus devices, I think it's really bad for security.
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I thought I saw a thread where someone could relock the Moto X bootloader.
And what about this?
Re-Lock Your Bootloader
It should just be a command like fastboot_oem_lock or something but idk. And two if she has the dev edition. Root that thing!!! XD that's what it's for!! Just install twrp via goo manager. Wipe factory reset all that good stuff. After making a back up. Notice after backing up. Then flashing rom and gapps In that order. I mean its a lot easier than htc rezound or htc one, htc in general and such lol.
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Wipe factory reset all that good stuff. After making a back up.
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well, I didn't wipe and do a factory reset when I rooted so I guess I did it wrong, lol! That is what she is afraid of - not doing it right and messing up her phone.
And I don't have a backup, but do I really need one if I can flash the factory images?
Hey guys. Forgive me for my noobness here, I'm still kind of new to rooting etc. So I've got an Australian nexus 6, running 5.0.1, its rooted, I used the nexus root toolkit, and it installed twrp, I want to update to 5.1, downloaded the update from aosp or whatever and tried to sideload it, I kept getting errors and fails. Both twrp and adb are updated. Now I think from what I've read, after rooting a 5.0 device you can't receive OTAs anymore. I just got the OTA notification, I downloaded it and pressed install, it restarted then booted into twrp and didn't start the update process. I've tried unrooting but it failed. My questions are: can I install the OTA through twrp? Is there a way to bypass twrp to continue the update? Can I factory reset through settings on the phone to go back to stock and then do the update that way? (I've heard its bad to factory reset like that, not sure why or if its true?) Just want 5.1 already! Any help is appreciated, and if possible dumb it down a bit because some terminology still is not known to me
Thanks in advance
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Hey guys. Forgive me for my noobness here, I'm still kind of new to rooting etc. So I've got an Australian nexus 6, running 5.0.1, its rooted, I used the nexus root toolkit, and it installed twrp, I want to update to 5.1, downloaded the update from aosp or whatever and tried to sideload it, I kept getting errors and fails. Both twrp and adb are updated. Now I think from what I've read, after rooting a 5.0 device you can't receive OTAs anymore. I just got the OTA notification, I downloaded it and pressed install, it restarted then booted into twrp and didn't start the update process. I've tried unrooting but it failed. My questions are: can I install the OTA through twrp? Is there a way to bypass twrp to continue the update? Can I factory reset through settings on the phone to go back to stock and then do the update that way? (I've heard its bad to factory reset like that, not sure why or if its true?) Just want 5.1 already! Any help is appreciated, and if possible dumb it down a bit because some terminology still is not known to me
Thanks in advance
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If you're unlocked, rooted and have TWRP, why not just install custom ROM? Otherwise you can download factory image that you want, unzip and flash images individually via fastboot. Just don't flash user data and you won't loose data.
Just use the toolkit to 100% flash back go stock. It will unroot and reinstall stock recovery. Just remember to always keep USB debugging on and keep that boot loader unlocked. Once your back to the out box state you should be v able to receive ota. Or just use toolkit to flash the new stock image for your device. Ends with I.
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I've never flashed files individually. I don't like any of the Roms, I prefer stock android but I like the perks of rooting. Could you give me a step by step on flashing the files individually please
ice_cold17 said:
I've never flashed files individually. I don't like any of the Roms, I prefer stock android but I like the perks of rooting. Could you give me a step by step on flashing the files individually please
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Look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/guide-flash-factory-images-nexus-6shamu-t2954008, method 2.
Awesome thanks, so if I don't flash "user data" I can keep my stuff, will that mess it up in anyway? What about the step that says erase user data, can I skip that then?
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Awesome thanks, so if I don't flash "user data" I can keep my stuff, will that mess it up in anyway? What about the step that says erase user data, can I skip that then?
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I don`t erase and flash userdata usualy, its good to erase cache and then flash cache cache.img. A data factory reset after the procedure is adviced however for preventing fc`s and such.
So in the end is should wipe anyway? Oh well I was trying to avoid that only as a last resort. It wouldn't even let me unroot through the toolkit for some reason...
I, too, would like to know this. I have looked through many forums and sites to try to find an answer.
My Nexus 6 is:
- bootloader unlocked
- TWRP recovery
- rooted
I would like to update to the latest 5.1 without wiping my device. I don't want to lose my setup and accounts.
Is there a flashable update.zip that allows the update to 5.1? (I have seen a few, but they usually have encryption disabled - which I believe will cause me to lose my data?)
Would it be easy enough to restore stock recovery and unroot, which would allow me to flash the OTA normally - then just flash TWRP and root again?
How would I go about this?
fubofo said:
I, too, would like to know this. I have looked through many forums and sites to try to find an answer.
My Nexus 6 is:
- bootloader unlocked
- TWRP recovery
- rooted
I would like to update to the latest 5.1 without wiping my device. I don't want to lose my setup and accounts.
Is there a flashable update.zip that allows the update to 5.1? (I have seen a few, but they usually have encryption disabled - which I believe will cause me to lose my data?)
Would it be easy enough to restore stock recovery and unroot, which would allow me to flash the OTA normally - then just flash TWRP and root again?
How would I go about this?
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Why not just download the factory image of your choice, then fastboot flash everything but user data. You will keep all your data. Many users go this route. Personally, I like a fresh start that doing a factory reset gives. I backup everything to the cloud and then restore what I need to have on my phone. I mention this because it is recommended to preform a factory reset after installing the images separately. Thus avoiding any boot loops or force closings.
Evolution_Freak said:
Why not just download the factory image of your choice, then fastboot flash everything but user data. You will keep all your data. Many users go this route. Personally, I like a fresh start that doing a factory reset gives. I backup everything to the cloud and then restore what I need to have on my phone. I mention this because it is recommended to preform a factory reset after installing the images separately. Thus avoiding any boot loops or force closings.
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So do I need to flash all the images?
Can I also leave out the recovery image - or do I flash it and re-flash TWRP after?
Does flashing the OTA (normally) factory reset the device wiping all accounts and setup?
I don't want to perform a factory reset as I use the device for business and have many email accounts, sync accounts, contact accounts and other tweaks that I don't want to have to spend a few days setting up again.
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So do I need to flash all the images?
Can I also leave out the recovery image - or do I flash it and re-flash TWRP after?
Does flashing the OTA (normally) factory reset the device wiping all accounts and setup?
I don't want to perform a factory reset as I use the device for business and have many email accounts, sync accounts, contact accounts and other tweaks that I don't want to have to spend a few days setting up again.
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I understand, everyone's situation is different. No, an OTA will preserve all your accounts and data. Your best bet in your situation may be to flash stock recovery and remove root. Then you could sideload the OTA. Also, though I don't use or really recommend the use of toolkits, the NRT may have options available for your needs as well. There is a possibility that just removing root and TWRP may still leave traces behind. Enough that the OTA may fail.
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I understand, everyone's situation is different. No, an OTA will preserve all your accounts and data. Your best bet in your situation may be to flash stock recovery and remove root. Then you could sideload the OTA. Also, though I don't use or really recommend the use of toolkits, the NRT may have options available for your needs as well. There is a possibility that just removing root and TWRP may still leave traces behind. Enough that the OTA may fail.
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Could you point me to guides for returning to stock recovery and re-locking bootloader?
I can only seem to find many, many guides on how to flash a custom recovery - not the reverse.
fubofo said:
Could you point me to guides for returning to stock recovery and re-locking bootloader?
I can only seem to find many, many guides on how to flash a custom recovery - not the reverse.
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Relocking the bootloader wipes the device, so you don't want to do that.
What is your ultimate goal? Your absolute ideal situation, once you're updated. Let's learn that and work from there.
fubofo said:
Could you point me to guides for returning to stock recovery and re-locking bootloader?
I can only seem to find many, many guides on how to flash a custom recovery - not the reverse.
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You don't have to relock your bootloader. That doesn't matter. As for recovery, I believe all you have to do is obtain the proper recovery for the build you are currently running, the fastboot flash it from bootloader.
Look here for more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3063857
rootSU said:
Relocking the bootloader wipes the device, so you don't want to do that.
What is your ultimate goal? Your absolute ideal situation, once you're updated. Let's learn that and work from there.
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I already stated this in my first post (first page):
"...I would like to update to the latest 5.1 without wiping my device. I don't want to lose my setup and accounts...."
fubofo said:
I already stated this in my first post (first page):
"...I would like to update to the latest 5.1 without wiping my device. I don't want to lose my setup and accounts...."
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OK, let me ask this, what is your current software? 5.0 or 5.0.1?
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I already stated this in my first post (first page):
"...I would like to update to the latest 5.1 without wiping my device. I don't want to lose my setup and accounts...."
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No. That is not enough information. That is your IMMEDIATE goal. I need to know what is your ULTIMATE goal?
Right now you're rooted with twrp. In order to give you the best advice I need to know your ultimate goal is. Why are you rooted with twrp? Do you need this in the future? Why are you thinking about locking the bootloader
All this has an affect on what method you use.
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No. That is not enough information. That is your IMMEDIATE goal. I need to know what is your ULTIMATE goal?
Right now you're rooted with twrp. In order to give you the best advice I need to know your ultimate goal is. Why are you rooted with twrp? Do you need this in the future? Why are you thinking about locking the bootloader
All this has an affect on what method you use.
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Thank you sir for helping!
Evolution_Freak said:
You don't have to relock your bootloader. That doesn't matter. As for recovery, I believe all you have to do is obtain the proper recovery for the build you are currently running, the fastboot flash it from bootloader.
Look here for more info:
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Thanks @Evolution_Freak I'll give a shot at flashing just the stock recovery, unrooting and trying the OTA
I just got my N6 a few days ago, and JUST got everything all set up how I like. I went to go root it, and the method mentioned in the "All-In-One" stickied thread requires you to unlock the bootloader, which says it will factory reset the device.
I don't want to factory reset at this point, I just want to root it. I've never had to wipe a phone or unlock a bootloader to root a phone before, so this is new to me.
Thanks
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I just got my N6 a few days ago, and JUST got everything all set up how I like. I went to go root it, and the method mentioned in the "All-In-One" stickied thread requires you to unlock the bootloader, which says it will factory reset the device.
I don't want to factory reset at this point, I just want to root it. I've never had to wipe a phone or unlock a bootloader to root a phone before, so this is new to me.
Thanks
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There is a way, I believe, by running TWRP on your PC and flashing SuperSU from your PC. However, it's not a recommended method as you will have no way of backing up. Also, if you get caught in a bootloop, you won't be able to recover without a custom recovery.
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I just got my N6 a few days ago, and JUST got everything all set up how I like. I went to go root it, and the method mentioned in the "All-In-One" stickied thread requires you to unlock the bootloader, which says it will factory reset the device.
I don't want to factory reset at this point, I just want to root it. I've never had to wipe a phone or unlock a bootloader to root a phone before, so this is new to me.
Thanks
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and you don't have to "hack" a nexus as well, as google provided an easy way to unlock your bootloader and to obtain root. if you just got your nexus a few days ago, just unlock the bootloader and root it. loosing a few days of information is more than worth it for root. don't waste your time worrying over a few days of data.
Can be done but not recommended.
adb backup/restore can save a little bit of information for you, but I wouldn't go in expecting it to save everything
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What did you set up? You can back up your messages, and your apps will re-download. Your photos are already syncing to Google. If it's not rooted, I can't imagine you've done that much customization.
Lesson learned: unlock should ALWAYS be the very first step you do on a new phone.
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I just got my N6 a few days ago, and JUST got everything all set up how I like. I went to go root it, and the method mentioned in the "All-In-One" stickied thread requires you to unlock the bootloader, which says it will factory reset the device.
I don't want to factory reset at this point, I just want to root it. I've never had to wipe a phone or unlock a bootloader to root a phone before, so this is new to me.
Thanks
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if you download kingroot from the internet and install it onto your phone through unknown sources. it says your not supported but just click start root anyway. and hey presto your rooted. ive done this on my nexus 6 and its worked and hasnt knackered the phone and i know a couple of other people whove done the same
the only thing i havnet worked out how to do is take the king userr off. once your finished rooting, in order to sustain root that app becomes a permanent addittion to the phone. ive deleted it before and lost root. but just reinstall and follow the steps again and you gain root again
to check root download root checker form the app market
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if you download kingroot from the internet and install it onto your phone through unknown sources. it says your not supported but just click start root anyway. and hey presto your rooted. ive done this on my nexus 6 and its worked and hasnt knackered the phone and i know a couple of other people whove done the same
the only thing i havnet worked out how to do is take the king userr off. once your finished rooting, in order to sustain root that app becomes a permanent addittion to the phone. ive deleted it before and lost root. but just reinstall and follow the steps again and you gain root again
to check root download root checker form the app market
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Yes we're aware but we do recommend against these one-click methods usually. Rooted users cannot accept OTA updates, so the only way to update is with an unlocked bootloader unless you're going to have a custom recovery (also highly recommended) so you can flash flashable zips.
Also you MUST go into settings and enable the "Allow OEM unlock" in developer options, because If you break your OS with root, which is easily done - you're going to become stuck as you can't unlock the bootloader. Not too bad if you have TWRP recovery installed, but then that becomes a single point of failure.
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Yes we're aware but we do recommend against these one-click methods usually. Rooted users cannot accept OTA updates, so the only way to update is with an unlocked bootloader unless you're going to have a custom recovery (also highly recommended) so you can flash flashable zips.
Also you MUST go into settings and enable the "Allow OEM unlock" in developer options, because If you break your OS with root, which is easily done - you're going to become stuck as you can't unlock the bootloader. Not too bad if you have TWRP recovery installed, but then that becomes a single point of failure.
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ok thats fair enough i didnt realise it was so risky. i downloaded twrp straight after this method worked for me and got everything backed up
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ok thats fair enough i didnt realise it was so risky. i downloaded twrp straight after this method worked for me and got everything backed up
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Good stuff. Once rooted, Flashify is a great tool to flash TWRP. With the nexus 5, you could unlock the bootloader with an app that didnt wipe everything, which was great, but Nexus 6 doesn't allow that, but always do go to settings > developer options > OEM Unlock (Set to enable). Without this set, you cannot unlock the bootloader from fastboot. Also, side note, developer options doesn't show up until you go into Settings > About phone then tap "Build number" several times to make the option visible. Think its 7 times.
It's interesting saying that you need kingroot to remain on the device. Thats a bit of a pain. Does it install SuperSU or not? If not, might be interesting to see what happens if you install the SuperSU app from Play - whether it allows it to be removed then.
My preferred method however is definitely unlock the BL, fastboot flash TWRP, From TWRP flash SuperSU zip (or rooted ROM).
For the record, I did end up factory resetting to do it the right way.
Is this easy to unroot if a new OTA update comes out?
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For the record, I did end up factory resetting to do it the right way.
Is this easy to unroot if a new OTA update comes out?
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Yes and no. To "unroot" you have to fastboot flash system.img and boot.img, which if the factory image is available for the version your OTA will raise you to, you're done. If there is no factory image for that new version, you must flash the system and boot(and recovery) of the expected version, then OTA. Note, recovery version isn't checked. Only system and boot. Just that recovery must be stock for OTA to flash.
To be honest, easiest way is to wait for a rooted flashable zip to be made available and flash via recovery
danarama said:
Yes and no. To "unroot" you have to fastboot flash system.img and boot.img, which if the factory image is available for the version your OTA will raise you to, you're done. If there is no factory image for that new version, you must flash the system and boot(and recovery) of the expected version, then OTA. Note, recovery version isn't checked. Only system and boot. Just that recovery must be stock for OTA to flash.
To be honest, easiest way is to wait for a rooted flashable zip to be made available and flash via recovery
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Geez. I thought the "pure google experience" would be much less of a headache. lol. Rooting/updating/etc was so much easier on my old Verizon phones.. one-click-root, one-click-unroot, easy updates, never had to factory reset or flash roms to do anything.
I only rooted for AdAway, starting to wonder if that was a good idea or not.
arcooke said:
Geez. I thought the "pure google experience" would be much less of a headache. lol. Rooting/updating/etc was so much easier on my old Verizon phones.. one-click-root, one-click-unroot, easy updates, never had to factory reset or flash roms to do anything.
I only rooted for AdAway, starting to wonder if that was a good idea or not.
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That's lollipop for you. It changed everything.
It's still really simple.
Good to know. Thanks for the info!
I would like to root my new Honor 5C. However, since there are no instruction in the Forum yet, I was wondering, if it is save to try the marshmallow root procedures for the honor 4C... Is there a high chance I brick my phone?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-4c/how-to/root-honor-4c-root-recovery-bootloader-t3318406
Or are their any other save ways to root the new Honor 5C?
Thanks
letitbit said:
I would like to root my new Honor 5C. However, since there are no instruction in the Forum yet, I was wondering, if it is save to try the marshmallow root procedures for the honor 4C... Is there a high chance I brick my phone?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-4c/how-to/root-honor-4c-root-recovery-bootloader-t3318406
Or are their any other save ways to root the new Honor 5C?
Thanks
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I have managed to root mine but i had to unlock the bootloader, install twrp and flash SuperSU 2.65
To unlock the bootloader you have two options
You can request the bootloader from Huawei or pay 4 euro and use the DC-Unlocker app.
There is a good guide over here
http://www.modaco.com/forums/topic/...our-honor-5c-official-and-unofficial-methods/
letitbit said:
I would like to root my new Honor 5C. However, since there are no instruction in the Forum yet, I was wondering, if it is save to try the marshmallow root procedures for the honor 4C... Is there a high chance I brick my phone?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-4c/how-to/root-honor-4c-root-recovery-bootloader-t3318406
Or are their any other save ways to root the new Honor 5C?
Thanks
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You have to unlock bootloader first and flash TWRP recovery. It's pretty much the same across all HUAWEI devices.
Thanks for the suggestions... However I am stuck at the first step getting the unlock code... The english version of the online unlock mask does not work at all, and in the chinese one I get an error... Huawei Support doesn't seam to know why it is not working. They just started selling those in Germany a couple Days ago... maybe thats why it is not working yet... (I managed to unlock the bootloader for an Honor 4C yesterday)
letitbit said:
Thanks for the suggestions... However I am stuck at the first step getting the unlock code... The english version of the online unlock mask does not work at all, and in the chinese one I get an error... Huawei Support doesn't seam to know why it is not working. They just started selling those in Germany a couple Days ago... maybe thats why it is not working yet... (I managed to unlock the bootloader for an Honor 4C yesterday)
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Maybe their internal system is not up yet for unlocking latest devices. Just wait for a few more day, let them fix problems first.
Liffeyman said:
I have managed to root mine but i had to unlock the bootloader, install twrp and flash SuperSU 2.65
To unlock the bootloader you have two options
You can request the bootloader from Huawei or pay 4 euro and use the DC-Unlocker app.
There is a good guide over here
http://www.modaco.com/forums/topic/...our-honor-5c-official-and-unofficial-methods/
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Maybe their internal system is not up yet for unlocking latest devices. Just wait for a few more day, let them fix problems first.
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try this page for rooting http://goo.gl/OlsI8a
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try this page for rooting http://goo.gl/OlsI8a
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Same error "用于申请解锁码的华为云帐号未在本手机上登录超过14天！" which translates to; Huawei cloud application accounts for the unlock code is not on this phone log more than 14 days !
Been like this for a few weeks. I have just paid the 4 euro and use the DC Unlocker
Liffeyman said:
Same error "用于申请解锁码的华为云帐号未在本手机上登录超过14天！" which translates to; Huawei cloud application accounts for the unlock code is not on this phone log more than 14 days !
Been like this for a few weeks. I have just paid the 4 euro and use the DC Unlocker
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well thats good.... but thing sucks (14 days )
letitbit said:
I would like to root my new Honor 5C. However, since there are no instruction in the Forum yet, I was wondering, if it is save to try the marshmallow root procedures for the honor 4C... Is there a high chance I brick my phone?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-4c/how-to/root-honor-4c-root-recovery-bootloader-t3318406
Or are their any other save ways to root the new Honor 5C?
Thanks
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have you tried kingroot
sachinss1979 said:
have you tried kingroot
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No I haven't tried... Since I completed the setup of my phone by now, there is no real rush to root it anymore (I was hoping I need to do it only once - it is not that much work, so I am pretty lazy I guess...)... Also once my phone turned of with 35% Battery remaining, therefore I would like to monitor this situation before I void my warranty...
Hi,
if you want to root your honor 5c, you can try this : http://www.osroots.com/huawei-honor-5c-how-to-root-huawei-honor-5c-osroots/
Use SuperSu 2.65, not the beta
Just to let you know, I wasn't able to root my Honor 5C with SuperSU 2.74 Beta, but 2.65 stable did the thing right.
I've just followed Modaco's thread, and used Chrome Traduction feature to know what was displayed in chinese to unlock the bootloader. Installing TWRP was then easy.
Edit - found it here, flashed it, n to access just press volume up+vol down+power, then installed supersu 2.65 and thats all
I've successfully unlocked my bootloader, but now i need to install twrp and supersu, where can i find the proper twrp recovery image for my NEM-L22
I was able to flash my NEM-L51 :
Got the unlock code following the goo.gl link
Unlocked the bootloader following the modaco procedure, the official one (don't forget to enable "OEM unlock" in developer options like I did)
Rooted using SuperSU 2.65 (didn't seem to work with the latest stable, 2.76, so I flashed it again with 2.65 and it worked then but Root Verifier tells me I have 2.76…)
I had to pay for dc unlocker, Huawei pages are crap. Then it was easy.
Cant finish the android start wizzard because of google
Hi at all,
i have a big problem at the moment. i rooted the honor 5 c of my girlfriend and it was all okay. The smartphone was rootet, SU installed and TWRP on it. After a factory reset because google playstore had problems to connect to server my problem began. After a reboot i am stuck in the installation assistant of android. I can choose my country, and my wlan, but when i want to go further google has to connect to servers and cant do it. So i can not enter the device. I can also read on my smartphone when it is in fastboot mode PHONE unlock and FRP lock. Could this be my problem? Or could it be the hosts file who blocks google to connect to servers?
Situation after first factory reset:
-unlocked bootloader
-rootet
-cant enter the phone because google cannot connect to server
Situation after secound factory reset:
-bootloader unlocked
-Phone unlocked
-FRP lock
Can you please help me? And sorry for my bad english. I hope you can understand everything and i dont forget something.
Did you try to add google account not immediately after factory reset when setting the phone, but skip it and add later?
sajty said:
Did you try to add google account not immediately after factory reset when setting the phone, but skip it and add later?
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I have no option to skip the google verification. Right after i allow or do not allow the enhanced internet experience Wi-Fi+ service and click one of the button, the next tab appears and says Couldn't sign in: There was a problem communicating with Google servers...... Try again later
Now i have the option to go next or go back. When i click next it restart at the language selection.
I searched the internet for this problem, but it seems i am the only one with such a issue.
I wanted to add some screenshots but i am not allowed to add links until i did 10 posts
Okay i have solved my problem with a stock firmware i found deep in space Thanks
if someone need the stock rom or custom rom for honor 5c PM me and i can send your the link to the forum. I am not allowed to post it here :crying:
letitbit said:
I would like to root my new Honor 5C. However, since there are no instruction in the Forum yet, I was wondering, if it is save to try the marshmallow root procedures for the honor 4C... Is there a high chance I brick my phone?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-4c/how-to/root-honor-4c-root-recovery-bootloader-t3318406
Or are their any other save ways to root the new Honor 5C?
Thanks
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dont use 4C procedure.... it has the custom boot.img of 4C not 5C... i wrote that so i know all files and detail about that... n
next your wish...
@inshaalmirza
Totally stock pixel 5. Tried to sideload 12, and due to crappy instructions on XDA, that failed to mention the need to do the OEM unlock step, I ended up with a ADB sideload flash that failed at 94% and resulted in a empty A partition and a phone that failed to boot, so it switched to the backup system partition.
I'm now booted on the B partition (Android 11).
How can I fix my phone, so it's got 2 good system partitions?
Enable OEM unlocking, unlock bootloader, then use the Android Flash Tool to flash 12 Beta 5. Wiping /data shouldn't be necessary; however, if this fails and you have to force flash all partitions, a /data wipe will be required.
I highly recommend you keep the bootloader unlocked while using beta firmware, because it makes it a LOT easier to downgrade back to production firmware.
If you intend to root, don't forget to disable dm-verity and vbmeta-verification.
Detailed instructions on using the Android Flash Tool
Tip: When you get to the step of selecting which build to flash to your device, click the pencil icon to change options. Make sure you leave Relock Bootloader unchecked,
V0latyle said:
Wiping /data shouldn't be necessary
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But unlocking the bootloader will wipe the phone.....
EDIT: I'm assuming there is a wipe data option with Android Flash Tool?
I don't know. I've never used it
xunholyx said:
But unlocking the bootloader will wipe the phone.....
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Correct, but it's still necessary to install the beta (and downgrade)
xunholyx said:
EDIT: I'm assuming there is a wipe data option with Android Flash Tool?
I don't know. I've never used it
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There is indeed. It's actually quite comprehensive.
I don't want to unlock the bootloader. I just want to get a system partition back, I do t want root or any modifications,
Chr1stOnABike said:
I don't want to unlock the bootloader. I just want to get a system partition back, I do t want root or any modifications,
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In that case, I believe the only option for you is to attempt to sideload the OTA via recovery.
Download the beta OTA here
Follow the instructions to apply the OTA here
If this does not work, you can try using the Android Flash Tool after enabling Developer Options and USB Debugging. You can choose not to wipe your device in the tool options. No guarantee this will work. Requires unlocked bootloader
I will say this: Running beta software on a locked bootloader is not only highly inadvisable, it's foolhardy. Beta software is EXPERIMENTAL, you use it AT YOUR OWN RISK, meaning it is YOUR responsibility to fix it if something goes wrong. Keeping your bootloader unlocked means your ability to fix it is limited, if not impossible.
V0latyle said:
In that case, I believe the only option for you is to attempt to sideload the OTA via recovery.
Download the beta OTA here
Follow the instructions to apply the OTA here
If this does not work, you can try using the Android Flash Tool after enabling Developer Options and USB Debugging. You can choose not to wipe your device in the tool options. No guarantee this will work.
I will say this: Running beta software on a locked bootloader is not only highly inadvisable, it's foolhardy. Beta software is EXPERIMENTAL, you use it AT YOUR OWN RISK, meaning it is YOUR responsibility to fix it if something goes wrong. Keeping your bootloader unlocked means your ability to fix it is limited, if not impossible.
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Flash tool doesn't work, as it expects to go i to recovery, and it doesn't it comes up with the no system error.
So when android 12 releases in a couple of weeks, will it just flash it to the other partition, to retain 11? In other words,will this fix itself in the fullness of time.
Also, who is going to fix the crappy XDA blog post that was poorly checked that caused this mess. I can't be the only one (I know the flawed instructions have been copied by the usual churnalists 9to5google Android authority, Android police)
Chr1stOnABike said:
Flash tool doesn't work, as it expects to go i to recovery, and it doesn't it comes up with the no system error.
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Ah. Well, you can fix this, but it will require unlocking the bootloader.
You can always relock it after you're done.
Chr1stOnABike said:
So when android 12 releases in a couple of weeks, will it just flash it to the other partition, to retain 11? In other words,will this fix itself in the fullness of time.
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Don't know. Given that you can't boot into recovery, you can't sideload the OTA to test this theory. I personally doubt it. You can either wait and see, or you can just bite the bullet and fix the issue.
Chr1stOnABike said:
Also, who is going to fix the crappy XDA blog post that was poorly checked that caused this mess. I can't be the only one (I know the flawed instructions have been copied by the usual churnalists 9to5google Android authority, Android police)
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Link to the post? You may not be the only one, but the majority of folks (including myself, I was in the Marine Corps for 9 years so you can guess my mental acuity) have been able to use the instructions to our success.
Isn't unlocking and relocking bootloader detectable in soft fuses and an instant warranty void?
How to install Android 12 and 12L on Google Pixel and other Android devices
Google has just released Android 12L beta for the Pixel lineup. Here is how you can install Android 12 (or 12L) on your smartphone!
www.xda-developers.com
Someone in the comments also broke their phone by following the untested Instructions.
Chr1stOnABike said:
Isn't unlocking and relocking bootloader detectable in soft fuses and an instant warranty void?
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I'm not sure. But that raises a question for you: Why are you running beta firmware if you're worried about the warranty?
Chr1stOnABike said:
How to install Android 12 and 12L on Google Pixel and other Android devices
Google has just released Android 12L beta for the Pixel lineup. Here is how you can install Android 12 (or 12L) on your smartphone!
www.xda-developers.com
Someone in the comments also broke their phone by following the untested Instructions.
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I have updated my phone using both of these methods and can personally confirm the instructions are correct. The only difference I would point out is that I'm comfortable enough using adb and fastboot commands that I manually type them and don't use the batch file.
It is your responsibility to understand the instructions and follow them. You flash and modify your device at your own risk. If you do not fully understand the instructions, it is also your responsibility to either find the details you need, or ask for help.
This may seem rather condescending or apathetic, but the situation is this:
- You tried to run experimental beta firmware on your device despite your concerns for the warranty
- You did not ask questions before doing so, and if you did read any of the multiple threads on this issue, you would have been acutely aware of the recommendation to unlock your bootloader before you proceed
- You are now left with few options to fix your device because you decided to ignore experienced advice and do things your own way
As I stated previously, the responsibility for fixing things is yours and yours alone. If you were that concerned with your warranty, you should have kept your phone completely stock and avoided installing the beta.
I have one last recommendation for you:
Disenroll from the beta program and wait for the OTA to take you back to A11 public release. A data wipe will be required.
You have been told in detail what you can do to fix your device. What you do now is completely up to you.
V0latyle said:
I'm not sure. But that raises a question for you: Why are you running beta firmware if you're worried about the warranty?
I have updated my phone using both of these methods and can personally confirm the instructions are correct. .
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The instructions only work if you have previously done the unmentioned OEM unlock step, which you must have done.
The fact you don't understand this, it limits your credibility. Just because something worked for you, doesn't make it correct.
It also sounds like you don't understand the difference between OEM unlock and a bootloader unlock.
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The instructions only work if you have previously done the unmentioned OEM unlock step, which you must have done.
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Yes - I unlocked and rooted my phone the day I got it, and I bought it full price direct from Google. Your point?
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The fact you don't understand this, it limits your credibility. Just because something worked for you, doesn't make it correct.
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Yes, it's always worked for me. I've been trying to work with you here and give you options that do not require OEM Unlock or unlocking the bootloader. The reason I thought the Android Flash Tool might work is because it's literally a tool provided by Google, and though it uses ADB, I figured they might have some sort of security to allow recovery of locked phones.
What exactly is it you don't think I understand? As I've pointed out, you decided to install beta software on your device despite your concerns for warranty. As I ALSO pointed out, if warranty was that much of a concern for you, you should have stayed on stock public release firmware and not messed with anything at all.
I will admit that the guide you linked does not mention needing an unlocked bootloader. I think it's generally been assumed among us in the community that modifying your device requires an unlocked bootloader. I will talk to the mods and see if we can get a note added to the post. However, you seemed to miss the big warning that advises against using the beta on your daily driver.
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It also sounds like you don't understand the difference between OEM unlock and a bootloader unlock.
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Again, how so? If you're going to call me ignorant, you had better explain how.
OEM Unlock simply sets a flag: "unlock-ability" to 1. It's an on/off switch that corresponds to the 1 or 0 set for the "unlock-ability" flag. It has no other function.
When someone attempts to unlock the bootloader, the device checks that flag. If it's 0, the bootloader cannot be unlocked. If it's 1, it can.
Unlocking the bootloader disables security features that prevent you from flashing partitions on your phone, or booting images sent via ADB. The reason why this is important when running custom or experimental firmware is because it allows the user to reflash corrupted partitions (like in your case). It allows a lot more freedom over what you can do with your phone.
I've been doing this for years - more than 10 years in fact. I would be careful about making accusations like "you don't understand the difference" or "you don't know what you're talking about'" to someone who is trying to help you. I understand you're frustrated, but you're going to have to swallow your pride here and admit, at least to yourself, that you screwed up. It seems pretty clear to me that you either did not fully understand the risk of trying to modify your device with a locked bootloader (yes, installing the beta counts as a modification), or you ignored the risk and tried to do it anyway. Yet you come here and impugn my credibility? As they say, "check yourself before you wreck yourself". You screwed up and got yourself into this mess. You alone are to blame. No one has to help you, and believe me, I've been quite tempted to tell you to pound sand. The least you can do is show a little gratitude for someone who's trying to help, and respect for experience and knowledge far beyond your own.
I have one more option for you: Rescue mode.
Reboot your phone into bootloader (hold power + volume down, release power but keep holding volume down when screen turns off)
Use volume buttons to select rescue mode on the right side, then press power to select
Google Pixel Repair Tool
This probably won't work because the repair tool only works if the firmware on your phone is older or equivalent to the firmware the repair tool has.
Chr1stOnABike said:
The instructions only work if you have previously done the unmentioned OEM unlock step, which you must have done.
The fact you don't understand this, it limits your credibility. Just because something worked for you, doesn't make it correct.
It also sounds like you don't understand the difference between OEM unlock and a bootloader unlock.
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I haven't had time to read much of this thread yet, but why insult the one person I see who's trying to help you?
I've seen this before and other users who may know what to do, usually just walk away as they don't want to help someone who may just insult them or are clearly unappreciative of the help given.
Everyone let's all keep it civilized.
If you have issue with a post, please hit report button and walk away.
Positive vibes, all.
--andybones
@Chr1stOnABike I am indeed trying to help you, as I understand your situation is frustrating. I also understand that it may be frustrating to be told to do what you didn't want to do in the first place, but the reason why I'm telling you to do it is because it'll be of the most help to you.
Losing your data sucks. I get it. But fortunately the Pixel 5 is great about backing everything up to your Google account. Just make sure your photos are backed up and you'll be fine. Setting it back up after a wipe is a pain in the ass, but again, I'm recommending the bootloader unlock because I believe it's your best chance at recovery.
As far as that goes, I'm still trying to be flexible and provide you with different options. Be aware that if these other options don't work, you have no other choice. I'm not saying that to be rude, that's just the reality of it.
And lastly, I would very much appreciate you making the distinction between thinking I'm wrong because you have evidence to the contrary, vs thinking I'm wrong simply because you don't like my recommendations. If you sincerely believe I'm incorrect and can demonstrate how, please feel free to do so.
My only objective here is to help people the best I can with the knowledge and experience I have.
For those who ever get stuck like I did. When I got stuck in a bootloop, I realized I could 'fastboot boot twrp.img' and was able to save my internal storage from being lost by backing up to PC with TWRP, then move it back onto internal after the factory reset. Did I lost app data in these cases, yes. But that's my own fault for not regularly backup app data up with something like Swift or AppDash.
@Chr1stOnABike just checking in to see if you were able to get your problem resolved?