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What phone are planning on buying when your Nexus4 eventually stop working ?

Will you go with other (newer) nexus, pixel or maybe some Chinese replacement ?

my two cents:
what i learn about android is that you can own a really piece of sh*t "smarthphone" but with a custom rom it becomes a useful device...
i'm not comparing flagships with entry level (it's ridiculous) but i had own an LG optimus ONE p500 with cyanogenmod and it run great and now nexus 4 with lineage os.
my next device is gonna be a entry level devices with a custom rom... xiaomi redmi 4x seems to be the right one to me.

clifsjen said:
Will you go with other (newer) nexus, pixel or maybe some Chinese replacement ?
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I suggest you to buy an android one supported device, 2 major updates and 3 years of security patches... The xiaomi mi a1 is relatively known atm, also the BQ aquaris x2 (pro) will launch on 9th of May and Nokia (6 in example) has a whole set of android one devices in various price ranges...
Android One is definitely the way to go for me, guaranteed software support is important, especially after owning a Oneplus2 and 3t as my last devices with dropped support to nearly zero after just 14 months...
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Actially i changed 4 nexus 4s. I also have nexus 5 which needs repair. I bought from ebay damaged nexus 5 to repair mine. After nexus 4 i'll stick to nexus 5 for couple years. I do not like nexus 6 and 6p. 5x is a disaster with it's bootloop problem. maybe in 2020 i'll buy pixel 2 5"model. I do not like spending more then 100$-110$ on a phone. I bought this exact nexus 4 which i am writing this post feom exactly for 21 $. It's almost free hardware and it runs android 8.1 oreo and sailfiah os thanks to xda. That is why i like this device. Every alternative os runs on it. Firefox os, ubuntu touch, sailfish...

Nokia 7 plus VS Poco F1

Will it be a wise move to switch from Nokia 7 plus to Poco F1 (8GB+128GB version)??
I am quite confused as I have always been a big fan of Nokia (my first device was Nokia 1100 apart from which I have been Nokia Lumia 1320 for last four years & now 7 plus).
I also used Xiaomi Mi A1 and I like the kind of package Xiaomi offers at a very aggressive price.
I know the build quality of Poco F1 cant match the sturdy build quality of Nokia 7 plus, but it outruns 7 plus at all other aspects like the processor, RAM, clock speed, GPU etc.
I know Poco Fi doesn't have NFC. But I do not need it anyway.
Can someone please tell me if there is actually a quality difference in between Nokia and Xiaomi/OnePlus? Or if the new HMD owned Nokia is as good as Xiaomi or OnePlus (as both Nokia and Xiaomi devices are made by Foxconn)?

I would say no. Poco F1 has no NFC and no Android One.

Their service sucks.

Rowdyy Ronnie said:
Will it be a wise move to switch from Nokia 7 plus to Poco F1 (8GB+128GB version)??
I am quite confused as I have always been a big fan of Nokia (my first device was Nokia 1100 apart from which I have been Nokia Lumia 1320 for last four years & now 7 plus).
I also used Xiaomi Mi A1 and I like the kind of package Xiaomi offers at a very aggressive price.
I know the build quality of Poco F1 cant match the sturdy build quality of Nokia 7 plus, but it outruns 7 plus at all other aspects like the processor, RAM, clock speed, GPU etc.
I know Poco Fi doesn't have NFC. But I do not need it anyway.
Can someone please tell me if there is actually a quality difference in between Nokia and Xiaomi/OnePlus? Or if the new HMD owned Nokia is as good as Xiaomi or OnePlus (as both Nokia and Xiaomi devices are made by Foxconn)?
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Not only is not an Android One device, but comes with MIUI on top of Android.
Xiaomi had trouble to update to Android 8.1 their Android One phones also, so its mainly software and security updates vs power.
Same story with OnePlus.
More about it here - https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-review-1808p6.php

Why would you go from 7 plus to poco f1?
Sure, poco have much better cpu and gpu, but still its not enough not to even consider to upgrade especially when you will not see that much difference.
I would consider poco only if you want to play with the custom roms.
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Poco f1 is good for secondary phone, Its cheap.

Thank you, everyone. I eventually cancelled my order after giving it a lot of thought. You guys are right. First, their service centres suck (I know from my personal experience. Though I am not sure about HMD service centres as well). Second, I am not a gamer. I only have one game installed (Football Strike by MiniClip) but I hardly play that one as well. Third, the build and display quality of N7+ is just mind-blowing. Fourth, fast OTA updates. As being an AndroidOne device, we will get monthly security updates from Google and probably Android Pie by the end of September (and I saw the kind of improvement that Android Pie brings).
But here are few things that I don't like about Nokia 7 plus.
1. The resell value of Nokia devices are very less. I checked to see how is the resell value of Nokia 7 plus. And to my surprise, the response was pretty bad. I hardly got anyone who was interested. Even the one or two people who contacted me was not ready to pay more than INR.13,000 which is half of the price I spent on the device (INR.25,999). The worst part is, the device is not even a month old. Surprisingly, I got a very good price on my Xiaomi Mi A1 which I used for 10 months. My inbox was overflooded with buyer's messages. Even the shopkeeper from where I bought my Nokia 7 plus admitted that Nokia devices don't have resell value. If my device value comes down to half within just 1 month, I don't know how much will I get after a year or so.
2. Lack of custom ROMs/Kernels. I don't know why Nokia is still not allowing us to unlock the bootloader. Even though I had to pay for unlocking the bootloader, I still can't do anything with it except for rooting.
3. Lack of back cover and screen guard. I know there are a lot of screen guards and back covers available for Nokia 7 plus, but none of them are of good quality. I really want Spigen to make a back cover for N7+
4. With all due respect to the legacy of Nokia, I still feel Nokia devices are a bit overpriced (especially Nokia 7 plus). I understand the build quality is of top class. But still, I would say they are charging us quite a high price compared to what they are offering. They need to understand, even though the Nokia legacy is still alive, but people now want more VFM products. HMD Global needs to first concentrate on what are offering against the price they are charging. If the ratio is not proportional, people will eventually turn their head away from Nokia because now they have a lot of choices. It's not like 2000 where people used to purchase Nokia devices regardless of what amount they used to charge.

I would recommend to spend a little bit more and get the OnePlus 6. It checked all the boxes according to your needs.

although not have AndroidOne, BUT:
- support ProjectTrebble
- support officialy UNLOCKING bootloader
- officialy statement that unlocking NOT Void warranty
- officialy saying "try custom ROM, try GSI(GenericSystemImage)"
- with already released kernel sources
i too think about switch from N7+ right due to above... although N7+ isnicer and better manufactory, but HMD boycott community

The Poco has DRM issues so you can't watch netflix etc on HD. The so called stereo speakers are bad. You will have issues with call quality due to bad earpiece speaker. You could spend a bit more and get the Oneplus 6 for good hardware and that Oxygen OS <3.
All in all it's your decision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31I09febJsg
The cons for this phone start at 11:00.

just wait , we have good dev support for n7+ and it will get bigger through time

I switched from Poco F1 to Nokia 7 Plus, Why?
-Multitouch issue - Poco F1 has a severe multitouch issue that the company is not telling if is a hardware problem or a software bug and the problem seems to be in most of Indian variants.
-Software Updates: Xiaomi is a well known name for not providing good updates and on time and if your phone runs on MIUI then it's total ****.
-Customer support: most laughable aspect of Xiaomi.
Reviewers are probably paid.
I won't buy cheap phones ever, after what Xiaomi did to me, wait for OnePlus instead and always buy phones after few months.
Buy a reliable and expensive product but cheap things like Poco.

sagar4sforce said:
just wait , we have good dev support for n7+ and it will get bigger through time
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Is problem with waiting, if many good developers ignoring/selling Nokia 7 Plus, because not possibly (officialy) unlock bootloader... this is really STUPID step from HMD that stop/slow growing of developers and powerusers community...
Is here two petition about unlocking bootloader:
https://www.change.org/p/hmd-global...to-unlock-the-bootloader-of-our-nokia-handset (actually 2422 sign)
https://community.phones.nokia.com/support/discussions/topics/7000024502 (actually 170 sign/like and 388 comments (+many (~50-100) comments deleted by Moderator)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-7-plus/how-to/petition-possibility-to-unlock-t3788953 (xda thread)
and from MHD is ZERO, repeat... ZERO reaction... only 1 reaction in nokia forum thread is from Laura about "stop vulgarism"
Me lost patience and before some day buy unoficialy signature file for unlocking, but this is not global solution, many people don't want in principle pay for having root/admin account for device which buyed and/or send IMEI/SN of his phone to 3rd people... Only positive is that is really not need have Customs N7+ ROMs, because with Project Treble is here GSI (Generic System Image)...

Nokia 7 Plus vs Honor 10

Hey all! I am going to sign a new contract with my carrier and I consider to buy a new phone. I am currently using the Huawei P9. The Phone is still good but i think it will hold up good one more year maximum and then it most likely become pretty bad but I can sign a new contract with carrier only once every 2 years so now its my chance to get a new phone at kind of a good price. So I am wondering between the Nokia 7 Plus and the Honor 10. I need a bigger screen and I want it to be good cuz i consume a lot of media (youtube, movies) on the phone and I also text a lot. The camera has never been a priority for me but after I got the P9 I make more shots than before just cuz the camera is super nice and the Leica branded filters really makes the pictures look great. I dont know how is the Nokia 7 Plus camera. From the reviews I understand that it is not bad but for sure Honors camera is better. I like Honor 10 design more even that reviewers says that the Nokia looks a lot better on person but I am 100% sure that the build quality of the Nokia is far superior than Honors. I really like that the Nokia is AndroidOne device but still official support is kinda the same as others (2 years with 3 years security patches) but it will got them faster for sure. Battery life is mistery for me for both phones. I dont like the notch on Honor 10, I dont hate it, but definitely dont like it too. Overall from the reviews on YouTube that I have watched I prefer Nokia displey - its bigger, no notch and I think it have a little bit better colors. So my question is what will you guys reccomend to me ? I want to ask peoples that are using the phone now. I want to ask also how is the software experience and is pure android really better than the skins. Also want to ask is there any glitches and bugs that are more common among users cuz in some of the reviews they say the software was not perfect for sure but it was very early software and after the number of updates that you received how is the software experience and bugs and glitches ? Nokia 7 Plus is also e bit cheaper than Honor 10. Tell me also what was a good surprise and what was not using the phone for the period. I hope you can give me some opinions on the dilemma and which phone worth the price. Sorry for my bad English and Thanks in advance!

Hey, i was on the same boat last week. p9 lite and went to a nokia 7 plus very nice phone don't go for a huawei phone their updates are limited.. while nokia provides you 2 years of update and 3 years of security updates.

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Hey, i was on the same boat last week. p9 lite and went to a nokia 7 plus very nice phone don't go for a huawei phone their updates are limited.. while nokia provides you 2 years of update and 3 years of security updates.
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Yes, that is one of the main reasons I consider the Nokia. But I have a P9 which was a flagship 2 years ago and now I can only afford a premium mid-range phone since Huawei phones gone up in price too. The Honor on the other hand has the flagship Kirin 970 CPU but has a skin which I am not sure I like. So the question is Honor 10 for the design, specs and cameras or Nokia 7 Plus for the software experience, display and build quality ?

Swallen said:
Yes, that is one of the main reasons I consider the Nokia. But I have a P9 which was a flagship 2 years ago and now I can only afford a premium mid-range phone since Huawei phones gone up in price too. The Honor on the other hand has the flagship Kirin 970 CPU but has a skin which I am not sure I like. So the question is Honor 10 for the design, specs and cameras or Nokia 7 Plus for the software experience, display and build quality ?
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Do not mind about kirin 970.. it sucks ass.... camera on the nokia is amazing also the design sits so nice in your hand...battery ? i won't even comment on it 3a charge, i do charge from 70% > 100 in about 15mins

Deff Nokia 7 plus I had a honor 10 camera is lame
And now that they have stopped you unlocking bootloader the development for honor phones will be non existent now , no brainer better phone better up dates and android pie straight off [emoji16]
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Honor play pretty much same as honor 10 same 970 Kirin 4GB ram bigger battery for £100 less but don't suppose camera up to much too
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Should i switch to Nokia 7 Plus?

I have a 4/64GB Xiaomi Mi A2, bought it the exact same month it was release so I think I have one of the first units.
With that being said, I have noticed some backlight bleeding with this device over the course of 5 months, I'm also affected by the eMMC "bug".
And since Xiaomi keeps screwing up more and more within each newest (and late) monthly system update, I keep noticing this phone's counterpart, Nokia 7 Plus, isn't suffering from those issues.
So I have the opportunity to return this device back to Amazon and getting my full money back, so I figured I'd pick up either the 128GB version of Xiaomi Mi A2 or a Nokia 7 Plus of 64GB as well.
I need an opinion on this.

Yepi69 said:
I have a 4/64GB Xiaomi Mi A2, bought it the exact same month it was release so I think I have one of the first units.
With that being said, I have noticed some backlight bleeding with this device over the course of 5 months, I'm also affected by the eMMC "bug".
And since Xiaomi keeps screwing up more and more within each newest (and late) monthly system update, I keep noticing this phone's counterpart, Nokia 7 Plus, isn't suffering from those issues.
So I have the opportunity to return this device back to Amazon and getting my full money back, so I figured I'd pick up either the 128GB version of Xiaomi Mi A2 or a Nokia 7 Plus of 64GB as well.
I need an opinion on this.
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This will definitely be a wise thing to do,
Nokia 7 plus excels in every department (aside from Camera and day to day snappiness) , You will really enjoy having a more bug free experience

I've used a Nokia before and I wouldn't go back to another Nokia device although they're well built. One thing that I've personally noticed and others have reported with their Nokia devices too is that with every android upgrade the overall system performance degrades. On top of that, there is no official bootloader unlock method for majority of Nokia devices including Nokia 7 plus and no much third-party development.
It's a typical 'the grass is greener on the other side' effect. The Nokia 7 plus has its own set of android pie issues, just check its forum.. Nokia devices generally have horrible ram management even with greater ram capacities.
I personally love my Mi A2 and would never go back to a Nokia even if I want to change my device. Maybe try and get your Mi A2 replaced to get the emmc bug fixed? ?* I personally don't have the bug so my experience with this device is probably different from yours.

Quick look on the Nokias xda page reveals it has it's own bugs and if you are into custom roms and stuff it's lacking even more in development. Couple of my friends have 7 plus and my A2 is outperforming them in every category altough it's not fair comparison since I haven't been on stock rom in months. In my opinion a2 is better phone and I never experienced any bug aside that my mmc is also one of those ****ty micron ones, but it doesn't have any impact at all in day to day use. I think that bug is just exaggerated by bunch of benchmarkwankers.
In the end it all comes down to personal preference. But if I were you I would definately go for a change just for the fun of it.

Get the 128gb version. The Samsung flash memory doesn't suffer from the read write bug and if you can get it for like under 200USD (I got mine on sale for 190) then it's the best bargain ever....
Well of course it comes with bugs but still a bargain though lol

wait for the pixel lite

I would never buy a completely locked Android phone, since software support sucks on all of them.
If I had to buy a locked phone, it would be an iPhone

Amazon has the 128GB but not for that price, although it seems the grass is greener on the other side, Nokia 7 Plus has a few features I wish Mi A2 had, like micro SD slot and NFC respectively

Yepi69 said:
Amazon has the 128GB but not for that price, although it seems the grass is greener on the other side, Nokia 7 Plus has a few features I wish Mi A2 had, like micro SD slot and NFC respectively
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I have to agree with you on the sd card and nfc part. I miss those features too.
You don't have to get the 128gb version to fix the emmc bug. I have 32gb version (I bought it last month so it's probably the newer batch with the fixed emmc). Just try and send it in for warranty.
But if you want another device, I would suggest the redmi note 7 - another device by Xiaomi (now redmi is a brand of its own). It doesn't run stock android though and instead runs miui 10 and has all of the features the mi a2 doesn't.
If you're looking for budget stock android, then the Nokia phones are probably your only other best option. Keeping in mind the bootloader unlock is basically non existent.
Some other devices I came across were motorola one power and asus zenfone Max pro M1. Hop onto their respective forums here on XDA and see how active the development for them is.
If you're someone who upgrades phones every year or two and don't mess around with the phone, then you don't have to bother with bootloader unlocking and modding. In that case, the Nokia 7 plus would be a good buy.

Ashik_salim_ said:
I have to agree with you on the sd card and nfc part. I miss those features too.
You don't have to get the 128gb version to fix the emmc bug. I have 32gb version (I bought it last month so it's probably the newer batch with the fixed emmc). Just try and send it in for warranty.
But if you want another device, I would suggest the redmi note 7 - another device by Xiaomi (now redmi is a brand of its own). It doesn't run stock android though and instead runs miui 10 and has all of the features the mi a2 doesn't.
If you're looking for budget stock android, then the Nokia phones are probably your only other best option. Keeping in mind the bootloader unlock is basically non existent.
Some other devices I came across were motorola one power and asus zenfone Max pro M1. Hop onto their respective forums here on XDA and see how active the development for them is.
If you're someone who upgrades phones every year or two and don't mess around with the phone, then you don't have to bother with bootloader unlocking and modding. In that case, the Nokia 7 plus would be a good buy.
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That's the thing, my current Mi A2 is bootloader unlocked and using Pixel Experience due to Xiaomi's incompetence with updates.
I figure the 128GB version has the eMMC bug but just in case if I buy the same exact model, will you think it's a newer batch? There's no way to check either.

Alright, I've owned both the Mi A2 and the Nokia 7 Plus so I think I can give you a better breakdown. Both phones are good and both phones are solid. It really depends on what you prioritize more.
Mi A2:
Thinner and sleeker
Better camera and video
Lighter
More RAM and Memory variant
Has more custom development support
Nokia 7 Plus:
Better battery
Feels premium
Nice unique back texture
Heavier
But the Nokia 8.1 just came out, maybe you should check that out too?

Nokia 7 Plus Pros:
-Great Battery
-Good Cameras, not the best but good in proper lighting
-Great Build
-Cam2Api enabled by default
Cons:
i. No bug fixes since first Pie release, they only send patches
ii. Low light cam bad
iii. Late updates i.e blot on the name of Android enterprise recommend
iv. Software not optimized properly, lags, freezing,etc
v. Can't unlock bootloader
I have both MiA2 and N7P, there is not much difference except better battery in N7P, but Mia2's battery improved after hard reset from recovery and following proper charge cycle.

planning to buy a new phone , need help

so i'm planning to buy either nokia 8 or Xiaomi mi 6
but i don't know which one to choose
so i was hopping that you guys help me choose between them
in terms of
1. camera
2. performance
3. roms/kernels
4. overall quality

Pocophone

Just suggest you don't buy Nokia 8. Xiaomi is good enough.Or buy OnePlus.

Røbin said:
Just suggest you don't buy Nokia 8. Xiaomi is good enough.Or buy OnePlus.
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As an owner of a Nokia 8 I agree
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Yeah don't buy Nokia 8.
You'll have screen ghosting issues, random restarts on Oreo+, no custom ROM, difficulty to root, ****ty camera...
Performances are great though I can't lie.

Ya i agree, don't buy nokia device again. Really disappointed
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I've got the Nokia 8 and my wife has the Xiaomi Mi6.
To tell the truth, the difference isn't big.
Nokia has a better screen (sharpness, brightness), Xiaomi has better support and ROM updates.
The camera is not so different (with gcam). It depends on the scenario. Maybe I like the Mi6 camera a bit more.
Performace wise (N8 4/64 vs Mi6 6/128), I feel that Nokia is a bit smoother.
But if I were to buy one today, I'd choose the Pocophone F1