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got a defected op3t... need new phone

Hello.. pixel in my country costs 1200$+- !!
While - HTC 10, G5, S7 and 3t are 550$+-
Now I don't think I want S7 because no USB-C and because I had the 3t I switched all my chargers to USB-C
The G5 brand is LG and they have many problems in all their phones (Bootlops and battery become bad after year of use and such) so I don't think I want it either...
The 3t has almost no insurance in my country because it's not a "known" company so support will be difficult to get.. (same goes for xiaomi and such)
And HTC.................... The "10" is all I'm left with and I'm really not sure if I want it... But it's all I consider now.. what do you think??
I want a
9+/10 camera
8+/10 battery
7.5+/10 display
7+/10 performance
And 6+/10 build quality
What phone do you think will suit me the most?

HTC Ultra??? I'm sorry you got a defective device man! That's what happened to me with the ZTE AXON 7 I returned it and blamed the company. Shouldn't do that
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Id just say stick with the 3t. The latest 4.1 update is nice, everything is faster and better feeling. Run with FreedomOS. Nice simple debloater installer. No real reason not to use a OnePlus device in 2017. Its so affordable and good it just feels like a nice phone that will last a long while.
If you are yearning for an expensive phone then go for the Huawei Mate 9. Its got machine learning built in so it will achieve all your points once it figures you out.

If you really need a new phone instead of the 3t, I would recommend the Honor 8, sure the Honor 8 isn't as great as the 3t, but in many places you can find it even cheaper than the 3t and it's almost as fast as the 3t!

Do you regret buying Mate 10 now that the P20 is about to be launched with triple cam

So I know technology is advancing and it has been said that as soon as you buy one piece of tech it's already out of date.
On March 27th, Huawei will announce the new P20 phone. It supposedly has triple cameras, 40mpxl resolution, 5 x zoom, better AI and possibly full screen display. So do you feel like you rushed into buying your Mate 10 and now you wish you waited for the P20? Sounds like an impressive phone.
I personally paid £700 for my 128gb Mate 10. The most I have ever spent on a phone in my entire life and don't intend to spend that much again. I am wondering if I rushed too soon. But how long is one expected to wait? ?

tboy2000 said:
So I know technology is advancing and it has be said that as soon as you buy one piece of tech it's already out of date.
On March 27th, Huawei will announce the new P20 phone. It supposedly has triple cameras, 40mpxl resolution, 5 x zoom, better AI and possibly full screen display. So do you feel like you rushed into buying your Mate 10 and now you wish you waited for the P20? Sounds like an impressive phone.
I personally paid £700 for my 128gb Mate 10. The most I have ever spent on a phone in my entire life and don't intend to spend that much again. I am wondering if I rushed too soon. But how long is one expected to wait? ?
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No regrets with mate 10 (not pro) p series is equivalent to galaxy s series and mate is equivalent to note series.

No loving my mate 10 pro
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if im honest mate 10 pro looks gorges and p20 probably wont be so good looking...and those 3 cameras i really dont care about since this is my first phone with more then one main camera..pictures are way better then my xperias that i had before so im quite happy with the device.

My Mate 10 (non Pro) is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow..2/12/18. No regrets! Of course this is assuming that the phone works well on T-Mobile with no glaring bugs/flaws! I hardly ever take pictures unless on vacation so I think the whole camera hoopla is way overblown anyway. The Mate 10 ticks all my boxes and then some. Actually I would prefer a single lens camera but, this phone has all the other things I want. In fact it's getting harder and harder to find the phone I want, so I'm hoping the Mate 10 works out to be the great phone I hope it is and I plan to hang on to this one for quite some time.

Bought my mate 10 pro today knowing the p11/20 will be released soon. It will be significantly more expensive and I don't think the advances will be significant. So no regrets

I bought mine on January at 799€. At first i was excited having a late 2017 flagship thinking it's 10nm kirin 970 was cutting-edge technology and the AI NPU was woooaaw! I thought i'ld be futureproof for at least 2-3 years. Then boom the news came about the new Exynos and SD 845 supporting hdr10 capture, higher cpu/gpu frequencies, higher framerate encode/decode 4k 60fps+ and more. I really feel that i wasted my money on a late 2017 SoC that cant even shoot at 60fps 4k. Not to mention i thought the NPU would be more usefull.. Maybe adding more scenes via updates that its camera can recognise? or huawei's own assistant on the phone? Nothing.. Just stability after stabilty updates.
I think i'll be selling it soon before it depreciates hard. Maybe around 700 so i can get a device with a SoC that packs more futureproof features.

There will be no soc or device that will be future proof. The technology goes so fast that there will be a faster/better one every time...
I am very happy with my mate 10... ?

Aethergr said:
I bought mine on January at 799€. At first i was excited having a late 2017 flagship thinking it's 10nm kirin 970 was cutting-edge technology and the AI NPU was woooaaw! I thought i'ld be futureproof for at least 2-3 years. Then boom the news came about the new Exynos and SD 845 supporting hdr10 capture, higher cpu/gpu frequencies, higher framerate encode/decode 4k 60fps+ and more. I really feel that i wasted my money on a late 2017 SoC that cant even shoot at 60fps 4k. Not to mention i thought the NPU would be more usefull.. Maybe adding more scenes via updates that its camera can recognise? or huawei's own assistant on the phone? Nothing.. Just stability after stabilty updates.
I think i'll be selling it soon before it depreciates hard. Maybe around 700 so i can get a device with a SoC that packs more futureproof features.
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You might be happy with the next Pixel phone but you'll be waiting till fall and then buyers remorse will kick in again next spring or don't wait and buy an S9 and you'll still be envious. :laugh: That's just how tech works!
Talk about bloatware. I'm glad Huawei doesn't have an assistant. Will Samsung even have an AI chip with the S9? I know competition is good and all but there are more important problems to tackle like a unified RCS messenger!

Never. Because I got the Pro for 330$

Aethergr said:
I bought mine on January at 799€. At first i was excited having a late 2017 flagship thinking it's 10nm kirin 970 was cutting-edge technology and the AI NPU was woooaaw! I thought i'ld be futureproof for at least 2-3 years. Then boom the news came about the new Exynos and SD 845 supporting hdr10 capture, higher cpu/gpu frequencies, higher framerate encode/decode 4k 60fps+ and more. I really feel that i wasted my money on a late 2017 SoC that cant even shoot at 60fps 4k. Not to mention i thought the NPU would be more usefull.. Maybe adding more scenes via updates that its camera can recognise? or huawei's own assistant on the phone? Nothing.. Just stability after stabilty updates.
I think i'll be selling it soon before it depreciates hard. Maybe around 700 so i can get a device with a SoC that packs more futureproof features.
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I like Mate 10 Pro due to ui-performance. Samsung just have too much bloatware. Yes with root it can be removed but when it comes to warranty, the samsung employe will tell you: nope my friend warranty void knox 0x1 get the hell out of here while htc, huawei or even sony exchanges phones with unlocked bootloader and root. (sony exchanged my brothers phone even with unlocked bootloader and root. Plus they unlocked the sim network ) higher cpu frequencies does not mean higher performance. Its just about architecture, its about optimization. Radeon RX 480 with low gpu frequencies beats GTX 1060 in vulkan games example. iPhones iOS is very optimised for their phones no stutter etc. I remember they day that I had Galaxy S4 since the release. The UI was stuttering due to touchwiz not optimized. But what I regret buying Mate 10 pro is: Its extrem easy brickable. Just edit build.prop and boom, you have bootloop and FRP locked ---> flashing in fastboot not working anymore. But as I know how to unbrick it I continued But yeah, dolby atmos oreo and v4a is not working on Mate 10 Pro after so many attempts.

No.
Because i knew from the start when P20 will be released (March is the offical release but likely first week June it will take to release in international market except for USA. And by July the Honor 10 will be unveiled). I also know from past experience that the upgrade between P series and Mate series will not be major. I also expect to buy the P series for my wife instead. lol.

No, I love my Mate 10 pro Midnight blue because I think P20 will look like a iphone X to much with the notch!

As the pixel proves, more camera lenses doesn't mean a better picture, and I would say that, apart from design it will be the only changes....

No, P20 is disappointing from the current leaks. And I don't care much about triple lens, you will not be using it very often.

mirror blue
shanume said:
No, I love my Mate 10 pro Midnight blue because I think P20 will look like a iphone X to much with the notch!
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I have the Midnight Blue also. It's the sickest color ive ever had on a phone. its like a shining mirror finish. Like Flossy say's..." feels good in the hands" (lady's.....)

No. Because that's the way it is [emoji111]️
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Nope if you have that mentality you will buy nothing
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jaseman said:
My Mate 10 (non Pro) is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow..2/12/18. No regrets! Of course this is assuming that the phone works well on T-Mobile with no glaring bugs/flaws! I hardly ever take pictures unless on vacation so I think the whole camera hoopla is way overblown anyway. The Mate 10 ticks all my boxes and then some. Actually I would prefer a single lens camera but, this phone has all the other things I want. In fact it's getting harder and harder to find the phone I want, so I'm hoping the Mate 10 works out to be the great phone I hope it is and I plan to hang on to this one for quite some time.
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Works great! Take it from a trucker who's all over the country

yes is do a bit. not because the p20 is going to be so much better. because there is already declining support on the mate 10 pro. so project treble didn't bring us anything yet. android 8.1 only for the p20, although it's out for months.
it's not tragic, but at least it's a bit shady and not putting a good light on the future of support.

Nokia 8 vs Google Pixel XL. What should I choose?

I'm looking to buy a new phone and these two are top of my list because I want a stock android experience. Nokia 8 is around 30 USD more expensive from where I live. Does the Snapdragon 835 really outperform the 821 and is it worth paying the extra bucks? for whose who have used both, which phone is better in terms of user experience in your opinion? also, have you faced any major issues with the Android 8.1 update on the Nokia 8?

The pixel has the better camera and is significantly faster/smoother, gets quicker updates and has AMOLED if you are into that. The sound quality is also better on the pixel compared to the Nokia 8.
The Nokia 8 has expandable storage and longer battery endurance compared to the pixel 2.
Choose which of these things are more important to you.

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I'm looking to buy a new phone and these two are top of my list because I want a stock android experience. Nokia 8 is around 30 USD more expensive from where I live. Does the Snapdragon 835 really outperform the 821 and is it worth paying the extra bucks? for whose who have used both, which phone is better in terms of user experience in your opinion? also, have you faced any major issues with the Android 8.1 update on the Nokia 8?
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I don't have either but from what I have learnt in researching and watching demonstrations is that Nokia 8 has wonderful microphones for recording audio when shooting a movie better than the microphones of the pixel, other than that the pixel is better in everything

After using nokia 8 and pixel xl , both phones are smooth , I noticed after oreo update nokia's screen got much better with the colours , so you wont feel much difference between xl and nokia 8's screen , the camera is better on pixel xl but if you use google camera on nokia 8 the camera will get much better but pixel's camera still better , the battery is better on nokia 8 and nokia 8 is faster opening apps and multitasking , the speaker on nokia 8 might be louder than pixel but pixel's speaker is clear more than nokia , selfie camera a little bit better on nokia , both are smooth but nokia have better processor , pixel get faster updates

BoomXhakaLaca said:
I'm looking to buy a new phone and these two are top of my list because I want a stock android experience. Nokia 8 is around 30 USD more expensive from where I live. Does the Snapdragon 835 really outperform the 821 and is it worth paying the extra bucks? for whose who have used both, which phone is better in terms of user experience in your opinion? also, have you faced any major issues with the Android 8.1 update on the Nokia 8?
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I own the Nokia 8 , it is beautiful device in terms of smoothness , display , sound and speed . the only thing that pixel beats Nokia is in the camera department .
pixel display has Amoled and it sucks because it suffers from a Burn-in . go search google if you don't beleive it .

Nokia has zero modding instead pixel xl has a lot of modding

Apart for the camera, I would say that the Nokia 8 is better in everything, especially reliabilty.
There is so much reports about problems with the Pixel 2.

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Apart for the camera, I would say that the Nokia 8 is better in everything, especially reliabilty.
There is so much reports about problems with the Pixel 2.
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And there are so much reports about problems with Nokia 8. For me I never buy any Nokia device! I have the 8 and don't use it. No bootloader unlock is for me an unusable phone.

2WildFirE said:
And there are so much reports about problems with Nokia 8. For me I never buy any Nokia device! I have the 8 and don't use it. No bootloader unlock is for me an unusable phone.
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Which kind of problems ? I don't see a lot of problems on forums, and most of them are due to Android 8.1, and not the Nokia 8 's hardware itself, so...
I can understand that you want an unlocked bootloader but this is not the case of the majority of customers

I have the Nokia 8 (although only since last Thurs) and it upgraded to Oreo 8.1 OTA the day I received it and I have no problems with this phone. It is as close to pure Android as it gets outside of the Pixel series. The camera is a bit quirky but everything else is first class, smooth and fast.

i would say staY clear of both.The pixel has loads of hardware issues coming up in it's life cycle the motherboard issues and mic and wifi issues are pretty common and damaging @BoomXhakaLaca. But if you are going with one go with the 8,there still stays hope of better imaging with the upcoming firmware update,scrolled a lot on chinese sites and the 7 plus holds its own against the good cameras.

BoomXhakaLaca said:
I'm looking to buy a new phone and these two are top of my list because I want a stock android experience. Nokia 8 is around 30 USD more expensive from where I live. Does the Snapdragon 835 really outperform the 821 and is it worth paying the extra bucks? for whose who have used both, which phone is better in terms of user experience in your opinion? also, have you faced any major issues with the Android 8.1 update on the Nokia 8?
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What did you choose after all? I'm in the same situation , between Nokia 8 ,Google Pixel 1 and Sony XA2 . I want Pixel 1 because of the camera but most of them users have problems with hardware side ( motherboard and mic ) and battery draining fast
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ss-action-lawsuit-defective-pixel-smartphones
Nokia 8 have a decent camera , good specs and a nice battery and Sony XA2 have a better camera then Nokia 8 , decent specs and nice battery .

Nokia 7 plus is it worth

Hi dear all
I am your friend from Lenovo p2 forums I was having p2 phone bit unfortunately it was stolen and I have to buy a new phone Inow samsung a6+ and nokia 7 plus is Avilable at my region with approximately similar price but I am really biased to nokia 7 plus is it really a good phone what about battery life and screen what about Android one is it good enough or have any bugs is there any advise to follow on purchase
Thanks in advance for your help

I'm owning Nokia 7 plus for more than a month now.
So, I didn't expect this phone to lag in multitasking, but it does. My Xiaomi Mi A1 did not lag at all in such simple tasks. That's a major letdown for me. It's not a huge problem, but it's a fact. Maybe future updates will improve that.
Another most important thing for me, the camera. It's not bad, it's even good. It just lacks the dynamic range of flagship phones.
Considering all that I think I wouldn't buy Nokia 7 plus again and go for OP6 or HTC U11 (it costs like 25 euro more than N7P here in Poland).
Still if u want Android One then probably Nokia is your best bet.

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It's worth every penny...
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lotap said:
I'm owning Nokia 7 plus for more than a month now.
So, I didn't expect this phone to lag in multitasking, but it does. My Xiaomi Mi A1 did not lag at all in such simple tasks. That's a major letdown for me. It's not a huge problem, but it's a fact. Maybe future updates will improve that.
Another most important thing for me, the camera. It's not bad, it's even good. It just lacks the dynamic range of flagship phones.
Considering all that I think I wouldn't buy Nokia 7 plus again and go for OP6 or HTC U11 (it costs like 25 euro more than N7P here in Poland).
Still if u want Android One then probably Nokia is your best bet.
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Spot on "complaints". Other than that it's an excellent phone. However where I live the OP6 is €200 more so the Nokia is excellent for the price.
Sent from my Nokia 7 plus using Tapatalk

Pay extra for the OnePlus 6 if you can.I had the Nokia 7 plus and returned it.The op6 is worth the extra few quid.€400 for n7+ in europe €520 for op6,
The Nokia certainly has some bugs,check out the Nokia forums

dears nokia7 plus is the best mid ranger more than 2 months searching and i reach to a verdict that all mid rangers has problems whether lags or software problems for example a6+ has very lagy face recognition and lagy software even ones that have no software problem is made of very bad materials that is not durable
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i know op6 or op5 is good but they are not mid rangers they are flagships for me i can't accept phone without sd card
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i hope that in the next few days all software problems will be solved

I don't really experience these multitask issues some people seem to have. Multitasking is swift and fluent, apps are being kept in memory, ... Really no complaints at all.
As for my general impression: I came from a Lenovo P2 of which the screen broke, and while I waited on another screen to arrive I bought a Galaxy A5 2017. Sold the P2 when it was fixed, but got unhappy with the A5 (disappointing battery life, overall smoothness & speed of the UI) and bought the Nokia 7 Plus. I really couldn't be happier. Battery life is not what it was with the P2, but close enough for me to be fully satisfied and not make me want to return to my P2 anymore.
Other than that... It feels very snappy and fast overall, decent enough camera (much better than the P2), screen is absolutely fine and Android One is a big plus for me (clean Android is how I like it, even more so after my short trip to Samsung). If you come from the P2 I can only see you being absolutely satisfied.

Nokia 7 plus VS Poco F1

Will it be a wise move to switch from Nokia 7 plus to Poco F1 (8GB+128GB version)??
I am quite confused as I have always been a big fan of Nokia (my first device was Nokia 1100 apart from which I have been Nokia Lumia 1320 for last four years & now 7 plus).
I also used Xiaomi Mi A1 and I like the kind of package Xiaomi offers at a very aggressive price.
I know the build quality of Poco F1 cant match the sturdy build quality of Nokia 7 plus, but it outruns 7 plus at all other aspects like the processor, RAM, clock speed, GPU etc.
I know Poco Fi doesn't have NFC. But I do not need it anyway.
Can someone please tell me if there is actually a quality difference in between Nokia and Xiaomi/OnePlus? Or if the new HMD owned Nokia is as good as Xiaomi or OnePlus (as both Nokia and Xiaomi devices are made by Foxconn)?

I would say no. Poco F1 has no NFC and no Android One.

Their service sucks.

Rowdyy Ronnie said:
Will it be a wise move to switch from Nokia 7 plus to Poco F1 (8GB+128GB version)??
I am quite confused as I have always been a big fan of Nokia (my first device was Nokia 1100 apart from which I have been Nokia Lumia 1320 for last four years & now 7 plus).
I also used Xiaomi Mi A1 and I like the kind of package Xiaomi offers at a very aggressive price.
I know the build quality of Poco F1 cant match the sturdy build quality of Nokia 7 plus, but it outruns 7 plus at all other aspects like the processor, RAM, clock speed, GPU etc.
I know Poco Fi doesn't have NFC. But I do not need it anyway.
Can someone please tell me if there is actually a quality difference in between Nokia and Xiaomi/OnePlus? Or if the new HMD owned Nokia is as good as Xiaomi or OnePlus (as both Nokia and Xiaomi devices are made by Foxconn)?
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Not only is not an Android One device, but comes with MIUI on top of Android.
Xiaomi had trouble to update to Android 8.1 their Android One phones also, so its mainly software and security updates vs power.
Same story with OnePlus.
More about it here - https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-review-1808p6.php

Why would you go from 7 plus to poco f1?
Sure, poco have much better cpu and gpu, but still its not enough not to even consider to upgrade especially when you will not see that much difference.
I would consider poco only if you want to play with the custom roms.
Sent from my Nokia 7 plus using Tapatalk

Poco f1 is good for secondary phone, Its cheap.

Thank you, everyone. I eventually cancelled my order after giving it a lot of thought. You guys are right. First, their service centres suck (I know from my personal experience. Though I am not sure about HMD service centres as well). Second, I am not a gamer. I only have one game installed (Football Strike by MiniClip) but I hardly play that one as well. Third, the build and display quality of N7+ is just mind-blowing. Fourth, fast OTA updates. As being an AndroidOne device, we will get monthly security updates from Google and probably Android Pie by the end of September (and I saw the kind of improvement that Android Pie brings).
But here are few things that I don't like about Nokia 7 plus.
1. The resell value of Nokia devices are very less. I checked to see how is the resell value of Nokia 7 plus. And to my surprise, the response was pretty bad. I hardly got anyone who was interested. Even the one or two people who contacted me was not ready to pay more than INR.13,000 which is half of the price I spent on the device (INR.25,999). The worst part is, the device is not even a month old. Surprisingly, I got a very good price on my Xiaomi Mi A1 which I used for 10 months. My inbox was overflooded with buyer's messages. Even the shopkeeper from where I bought my Nokia 7 plus admitted that Nokia devices don't have resell value. If my device value comes down to half within just 1 month, I don't know how much will I get after a year or so.
2. Lack of custom ROMs/Kernels. I don't know why Nokia is still not allowing us to unlock the bootloader. Even though I had to pay for unlocking the bootloader, I still can't do anything with it except for rooting.
3. Lack of back cover and screen guard. I know there are a lot of screen guards and back covers available for Nokia 7 plus, but none of them are of good quality. I really want Spigen to make a back cover for N7+
4. With all due respect to the legacy of Nokia, I still feel Nokia devices are a bit overpriced (especially Nokia 7 plus). I understand the build quality is of top class. But still, I would say they are charging us quite a high price compared to what they are offering. They need to understand, even though the Nokia legacy is still alive, but people now want more VFM products. HMD Global needs to first concentrate on what are offering against the price they are charging. If the ratio is not proportional, people will eventually turn their head away from Nokia because now they have a lot of choices. It's not like 2000 where people used to purchase Nokia devices regardless of what amount they used to charge.

I would recommend to spend a little bit more and get the OnePlus 6. It checked all the boxes according to your needs.

although not have AndroidOne, BUT:
- support ProjectTrebble
- support officialy UNLOCKING bootloader
- officialy statement that unlocking NOT Void warranty
- officialy saying "try custom ROM, try GSI(GenericSystemImage)"
- with already released kernel sources
i too think about switch from N7+ right due to above... although N7+ isnicer and better manufactory, but HMD boycott community

The Poco has DRM issues so you can't watch netflix etc on HD. The so called stereo speakers are bad. You will have issues with call quality due to bad earpiece speaker. You could spend a bit more and get the Oneplus 6 for good hardware and that Oxygen OS <3.
All in all it's your decision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31I09febJsg
The cons for this phone start at 11:00.

just wait , we have good dev support for n7+ and it will get bigger through time

I switched from Poco F1 to Nokia 7 Plus, Why?
-Multitouch issue - Poco F1 has a severe multitouch issue that the company is not telling if is a hardware problem or a software bug and the problem seems to be in most of Indian variants.
-Software Updates: Xiaomi is a well known name for not providing good updates and on time and if your phone runs on MIUI then it's total ****.
-Customer support: most laughable aspect of Xiaomi.
Reviewers are probably paid.
I won't buy cheap phones ever, after what Xiaomi did to me, wait for OnePlus instead and always buy phones after few months.
Buy a reliable and expensive product but cheap things like Poco.

sagar4sforce said:
just wait , we have good dev support for n7+ and it will get bigger through time
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Is problem with waiting, if many good developers ignoring/selling Nokia 7 Plus, because not possibly (officialy) unlock bootloader... this is really STUPID step from HMD that stop/slow growing of developers and powerusers community...
Is here two petition about unlocking bootloader:
https://www.change.org/p/hmd-global...to-unlock-the-bootloader-of-our-nokia-handset (actually 2422 sign)
https://community.phones.nokia.com/support/discussions/topics/7000024502 (actually 170 sign/like and 388 comments (+many (~50-100) comments deleted by Moderator)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-7-plus/how-to/petition-possibility-to-unlock-t3788953 (xda thread)
and from MHD is ZERO, repeat... ZERO reaction... only 1 reaction in nokia forum thread is from Laura about "stop vulgarism"
Me lost patience and before some day buy unoficialy signature file for unlocking, but this is not global solution, many people don't want in principle pay for having root/admin account for device which buyed and/or send IMEI/SN of his phone to 3rd people... Only positive is that is really not need have Customs N7+ ROMs, because with Project Treble is here GSI (Generic System Image)...