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Hi,
It appears that any time I reboot the phone, it starts with all applications loaded.
Unless I go to Advanced Task Killer and kill all, my phone is very slow. Also free memory jumps from about 90M to 150M after the kill.
Does anyone know ho to stop that from happening? Is there some kind of startup list that can be edited?
I am using rooted UCJH7 but no other tweaks and fixes.
Thanks
You could have just searched the market for 'startup'.
There are quite a few startup editor apps in the market, I haven't tried any, but most of the reviews seem pretty hit or miss. Just search "startup" in the market.
Well android handles memory management really well. Those apps load up and take a very small amount of memory and when you open the app it will increase the memory usage and when you close it it will run in the background again and take up very little memory. The fact the apps are open in the background shouldn't slow down your phone. The fact you have 90mb free is good. This isn't windows mobile where the more free memory you have the faster your phone is. There are apps u can use to see if your apps are running in the background or foreground when your not using them. If they are running in the foreground and taking up alot of memory then there's a problem. Hope i explained the memory management well enough.
And btw for future reference, read the stickies. You posted this in development. Should be posted in Q and A
jasonyump said:
Well android handles memory management really well. Those apps load up and take a very small amount of memory
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The fact remains, free memory almost doubles after I kill them.
>The fact the apps are open in the background shouldn't slow down your phone.
The fact is that they do slow down the phone a lot.
The problem is that it seems that all applications get fired indiscriminately. And the question is if someone with some knowledge of Android internals can shed some light on that.
I will post specific numbers on memory after I reboot it next time.
alexnoalex said:
Hi,
It appears that any time I reboot the phone, it starts with all applications loaded.
Unless I go to Advanced Task Killer and kill all, my phone is very slow. Also free memory jumps from about 90M to 150M after the kill.
Does anyone know ho to stop that from happening? Is there some kind of startup list that can be edited?
I am using rooted UCJH7 but no other tweaks and fixes.
Thanks
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i too thought so initially. but when i started observing, i observed that the apps that load up at start up are generally the apps that i frequently used.
how the title says how can someone ignore Apps which are need like (sms time fix) when one clears the memory and not having to restart the app every time after clear memory
Just don't use the level 2 clear and you'll be fine. Only apps you should ever kill are the ones that show up in "Active Applications". Except for your launcher of course. Killing system apps and services is like shooting yourself in the foot.
ryude said:
Just don't use the level 2 clear and you'll be fine. Only apps you should ever kill are the ones that show up in "Active Applications". Except for your launcher of course. Killing system apps and services is like shooting yourself in the foot.
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How so? Could you elaborate?
I'm sincerely curious as to why the L2 clear is a bad idea.
Thanks, dude!
Senor Forum said:
How so? Could you elaborate?
I'm sincerely curious as to why the L2 clear is a bad idea.
Thanks, dude!
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Clearing L2 level cache kills essential android processes too, and system would again need to restart all the needed ones again. Read abt 'android memory management' (link in my signature), and see if that helps.
Senor Forum said:
How so? Could you elaborate?
I'm sincerely curious as to why the L2 clear is a bad idea.
Thanks, dude!
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App data is stored in RAM so that you use less CPU the next time you run that app. RAM uses much much less power than CPU, why would you want to have empty RAM?
If an app in your task manager shows cpu % next to it, then close it because you don't want the CPU to be used at all.
As the previous two said, why would you need to have RAM free?
This is not like BBOS, which needs like 25% memory free in order to start an app.
The whole reason for having high RAM is to use it, if it is always free (unused) what benefit do you get from it?
Using task killers or freeing up memory in order to save battery is only going to drain your battery more.
Android loads programs into memory based on what it deems needs to be available to run quickly... and once you kill it, it will use CPU to load it again shortly thereafter.
CPU is a bigger drain on power than letting programs hang in memory.
Please tell my which is best software that stops applications to run automatically at startup
tell me the application which works
no one is using any app. to stop unnecessary start up of tasks
try autostarts its very good
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Ditto on Autostarts. Also, Autokiller Memory Optimzer works really well, it doesn't kill tasks itself, it tweaks the Android function thar does it to work better.
auto killer mem optimizer workd well for me.but now i simply don use any of those batt saving app,mem apps etc i jus kill apps in inbuilt task killer...iam using my phone to the peek cause at the end ill b getting a 2ghz dual core by selling sgs.......cant stick to old things lol........cheeerz
tarunagg said:
Please tell my which is best software that stops applications to run automatically at startup
tell me the application which works
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... what?
Do any of you even understand how Android works?
so mind sharing ur exp wiv us on how it works???
manosv said:
try autostarts its very good
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+1 Autostarts. It amazes me what runs on the phone after start-up, after you switch states or update apps. The perfect cure for batt draining nonsense
rocky23 said:
so mind sharing ur exp wiv us on how it works???
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Google it. Android is Linux based. Its memory management is not the same as Windows. I'd explain further, but you're the 4,753,857,195 person to ask.
I spent 10s and googled it for you. Here's a quick link that explains it in simple terms.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Basically having applications in RAM is a GOOD thing. Constantly killing them is likely to WORSEN PERFORMANCE AND BATTERY LIFE.
Shanakin said:
I spent 10s and googled it for you. Here's a quick link that explains it in simple terms.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Basically having applications in RAM is a GOOD thing. Constantly killing them is likely to WORSEN PERFORMANCE AND BATTERY LIFE.
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That's right. On the other hand - permitting almost every app to load at startup isn't the best approach, as you will soon run out of memory - therefore using apps like autostart makes sense imho. But constantly killing everything isn't the right approach either. Android removes "old" apps automatically.
Bottom line:
- just letting those apps load at startup, which you use on regular basis, is fine
- using a "ram tweaker", auto-kill app, etc. is not
Kind regards,
ww
webwude said:
That's right. On the other hand - permitting almost every app to load at startup isn't the best approach, as you will soon run out of memory - therefore using apps like autostart makes sense imho. But constantly killing everything isn't the right approach either. Android removes "old" apps automatically.
Bottom line:
- just letting those apps load at startup, which you use on regular basis, is fine
- using a "ram tweaker", auto-kill app, etc. is not
Kind regards,
ww
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And when you run out of memory, Android will free memory by automatically killing cached (unused) apps. Therefore, I don't see the point of stopping apps from running at start--unless they're actually doing something in the background and not letting your phone sleep.
RAM tweaks (or memory management), on the other hand, is the only thing I use. I adjust OOM settings to adjust which apps Android closes to free memory, as well as how much free RAM Android should keep open in various situations.
upichie said:
And when you run out of memory, Android will free memory by automatically killing cached (unused) apps. Therefore, I don't see the point of stopping apps from running at start--unless they're actually doing something in the background and not letting your phone sleep.
RAM tweaks (or memory management), on the other hand, is the only thing I use. I adjust OOM settings to adjust which apps Android closes to free memory, as well as how much free RAM Android should keep open in various situations.
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Well actually I don't see the point that an app, that I hardly use once per month should be loaded everytime I start the phone or change my internet connection. Also more apps at startup increase the time when the phone is available...
But on the other hand, you are certainly right, after a while, only the latest apps are still in background / memory. What I have recognized nevertheless: if you use a lot of apps with push functionality and load on startup, the phone runs out of memory...
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ww
Good day!
Im new to xda-developers forum, just found a link in youtube while watching some stuff about galaxy note.
I have not discovered my galaxy note thoroughly yet coz its still new to me. Just wondering, the usage of memory without running any apps will go about 60%-70% percent. My temporary solution for this is to run task application and kill all exciting apps. Just wanna ask what kind of problem this may be?
No need to get alarmed by that. That's the way Android runs: it keeps apps in cache, so you can access them faster. When there's too much of them cached, the system kills off some apps.
chasmodo said:
No need to get alarmed by that. That's the way Android runs: it keeps apps in cache, so you can access them faster. When there's too much of them cached, the system kills off some apps.
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thank you for your reply.
in this case, i cannot access on other apps that i'll run. just manually kill all the apps every-now-and-then.
Just remember: free memory is wasted memory. This is true for almost every piece of computing machinery out there.
inkanyamba said:
Just remember: free memory is wasted memory. This is true for almost every piece of computing machinery out there.
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Thank you.
the only thing is, when i access on other apps like games. loading on the apps takes longer or even it crashes. maybe its because of the memory allocation of the apps or just there is no enough memory space to allocate the app.
JoshuaTumanda said:
Thank you.
the only thing is, when i access on other apps like games. loading on the apps takes longer or even it crashes. maybe its because of the memory allocation of the apps or just there is no enough memory space to allocate the app.
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While what the other member said is true, unused memory is wasted memory, but the issue is exactly that. Android ends apps that you may be running to be able to open more apps, which I find bad.
While it is normal to find the amount of ram you have said already loaded and being used, I still don't like it.
There are times that I'm trying to multitask and I open an app and right away jump back into the previous app to find that Android OS has decided to close it, within 3 seconds of hitting the home button. It makes multitasking a little harder. But there are ways around this .
But still, I hope ICS fixes this issue. I don't need 200 of the 1 gig of ram in use, what I would like is to have 300 or so free to be able to multitask normally.
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While what the other member said is true, unused memory is wasted memory, but the issue is exactly that. Android ends apps that you may be running to be able to open more apps, which I find bad.
While it is normal to find the amount of ram you have said already loaded and being used, I still don't like it.
There are times that I'm trying to multitask and I open an app and right away jump back into the previous app to find that Android OS has decided to close it, within 3 seconds of hitting the home button. It makes multitasking a little harder. But there are ways around this .
But still, I hope ICS fixes this issue. I don't need 200 of the 1 gig of ram in use, what I would like is to have 300 or so free to be able to multitask normally.
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Thats exactly my point. Thank you!
zkyevolved said:
There are times that I'm trying to multitask and I open an app and right away jump back into the previous app to find that Android OS has decided to close it, within 3 seconds of hitting the home button. It makes multitasking a little harder. But there are ways around this .
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can you please elaborate on the workarounds so that Android doesn't kill the background apps especially opera mobile
I know that android is very good at handling background processes and ram but I have so many apps that I don't use at all. They consume big amount of ram and for instance, sometimes browser loads pages again when I get back to it from another app. I assume this is because of ram. So I guess, if I can shut down some running apps in the background, available ram would be more.
I can see them at settings-apps-running(or cached processes).
For example, right now in "running" section I have 9 processes and 3 of them are poweramp, awesome beats, accuweather.com and in "cached processes" I have 10 processes and 6 of them are beautiful widgets,calendar storage,google account manager, google search, calendar, google play store. Other processes are system services that I have no problem with. When I go to developer settings-background process limit and block them, there are no cached processes anymore but that probably has a side effect. I wish I could choose which apps I want in the background.
I can shut down these apps manually but every time I restart the phone, they are there again. How can I stop them?
if you rooted, you can use Autostarts or ROM toolbox from the playstore. it can change the receivers of the apps not to start at boot
CooLasFcuK said:
I know that android is very good at handling background processes and ram but I have so many apps that I don't use at all. They consume big amount of ram and for instance, sometimes browser loads pages again when I get back to it from another app. I assume this is because of ram. So I guess, if I can shut down some running apps in the background, available ram would be more.
I can see them at settings-apps-running(or cached processes).
For example, right now in "running" section I have 9 processes and 3 of them are poweramp, awesome beats, accuweather.com and in "cached processes" I have 10 processes and 6 of them are beautiful widgets,calendar storage,google account manager, google search, calendar, google play store. Other processes are system services that I have no problem with. When I go to developer settings-background process limit and block them, there are no cached processes anymore but that probably has a side effect. I wish I could choose which apps I want in the background.
I can shut down these apps manually but every time I restart the phone, they are there again. How can I stop them?
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The simple answer is that you don't need to stop them!
As you say, Android is already very good at keeping track of background processes, to the extent that if a new program needs more RAM, Android itself will kill a background process that hasn't been used for a while to free up RAM for the new program.
The Cached processes screen SHOULD be full of recently used programs; it shows that Android is doing what it is supposed to do and is shifting inactive processes out of active RAM in case you want to load it again, without completely dumping the process memory.
Now, as for the side effect you mentioned, that would be a significant hit on battery life. By holding programs in RAM as it is supposed to do, the OS can load the program quickly and cleanly and more efficiently by simply reading the RAM rather than reading flash, writing to RAM, then reading from RAM. The general mantra for UNIX based systems is that unused RAM is wasted RAM.
Another thing to note is that if you do not close tabs when switching active programs (including going to homescreen) then the Browser is designed to hold that tab in memory. Even if you close the Browser (excluding closing the tab specifically with the "little x"). Even if you reboot the damn phone, it will still load the tabs/pages you had open last. The pages are not held in memory as such, just what was open and what tab order, so if you do open the browser after a while, it will load the last page from scratch.
TL;DR version: The running and the cached processes will remain exactly where they are until a new program needs more RAM than is available, at which point Android will kill something to make room. You do not need to do this manually. It will cause more power drain by making very inefficient use of RAM/Flash memory. Empty RAM is wasted RAM.
whilst Chaos is right, I notice severe performance drops when ram is filled, despite Androids theoretical advantage. It doesnt work...
Best to prevent from loading altogheter.
Root, lose warranty, backup apps, uninstall or freeze apps so the bloatware is removed.
For others, change autostart settings in Romtoolbox. So they wont start on boot.
Search for safe stuff to delete. There are lists for that
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Or just dont install the apps that you dont really need.
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Or just dont install the apps that you dont really need.
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Lol, even then you might still need to remove bloatware lol
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Thanks so much for detailed answers.