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Anyone hear if Samsung are fixing the video playback and camera quality?
The video is great in HD but when you watch lower quality rips the film looks great in day parts but at night in movies you can see lots of blocking, yes there should be some as lower quality but not at the level it shows, I tried on my i8910 and the sgsi9000 and the same video in night time scenes looks better on the i8900, I did hear that the reason the sgs has bad blocking is the firmware is not right, the phone is not reading the difference in the shades of black or something.
And camera, I hope this again is firmware as the pics are fine until you zoom, they are washed out and blocky, I know it took awhile before someone modded the i8910 to get the best jpeg code for it so fingers crossed Samsung or someone on here does that.......just seeing if any news on these two things.
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voodoochild2008 said:
Anyone hear if Samsung are fixing the video playback and camera quality?
The video is great in HD but when you watch lower quality rips the film looks great in day parts but at night in movies you can see lots of blocking, yes there should be some as lower quality but not at the level it shows, I tried on my i8910 and the sgsi9000 and the same video in night time scenes looks better on the i8900, I did hear that the reason the sgs has bad blocking is the firmware is not right, the phone is not reading the difference in the shades of black or something.
And camera, I hope this again is firmware as the pics are fine until you zoom, they are washed out and blocky, I know it took awhile before someone modded the i8910 to get the best jpeg code for it so fingers crossed Samsung or someone on here does that.......just seeing if any news on these two things.
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Emmm..? Great quality in both camera and video playback here...
its one of those things that when you see it you dont miss it again, I did come across a page on the net with a guy speaking about it, its a firmware thing, it will never be perfect as there will always be some blocking with lower bit rips but at this time the sgs shows it up more than it should, from what I remember the guy said it was to do with the graphic chip and it not reading the differences in blacks so rather than a blend with shadows and dark stuff (like a guy running around in a cave say) it shows blocking, anyway this guy said he did something so that it bypassed the chip and the picture was fine....but he did not say how and nor can I find the bloody page again.
Camera wise, well its an old story with Samsung, they shrink there files too much, dont know why and they did not learn from the error with the i8910, it took hyperx and faenil to sort the code out and get better quality pictures, from what I read on here its same problem.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760540
I love the sgs and hope these things are fixed by them and I dont have to wait for some person with talent to fix it
Ideed, there are differences in quality. Never noticed them.
Well, I suppose it should be pretty easy to fix if anyone actually got to do it (I know they even did it on symbian, which is like the most complicated os ever).
For the quality of video - never really tried low quality files, so never noticed a thing. But from description - it could be something to do not with drivers or anything, but with screen itself (all the deal about true black, which we dont see on normal lcd display). But thats just guess.
Hey guys, Are any of you experiancing really poor video results? If i hole the camera still the video quality is just fine, but big time problems happen when i move the camera. The upper portion of the video start to have lines of pixelation that almost deems the camera unusable. Its not satisfying at all to watch these videos. Really disapointed. Anyone else seeing anything like this?
Check out how pixelated this gets when moving around. And this is not even close to the worst that ive seen with it so far. Youll have to cops and paste as the forum doesn not allow new users to insert direct links.
youtube.com/watch?v=KLhNKGJ-Y7k
This one is even worse..... really sorry bout the gross dirsty dishes guys!
youtube.com/watch?v=OjcflxUkX6o
You've probably got it set to FULL HD, right? I've not really paid that much attention to what happens when moving the camera... This is probably an issue with all cameras of this type.. it's just not going to produce the same results as pro quality gear :-/
I had the same results on all resolution settings.
I have a 32g class 10 card..... but also tried recording straight to the phone... all with the same results.
Get something like a GoPro for recording your street races! '92 Hatch
j/k If your looking for good video / pic quality HTC wouldn't be the way to go. I know they're getting better, but they're not there yet.
It feels more like a softwar bug more than anything else, like the camera is trying to do way to much adjusting to light levels when you move it. I wish there was like just a way to turn light adjustments off. Disclaimer... i have no idea what I am talking about.
rquinn19 said:
Get something like a GoPro for recording your street races! '92 Hatch
j/k If your looking for good video / pic quality HTC wouldn't be the way to go. I know they're getting better, but they're not there yet.
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Those days are long over. Had a honda k20a2 EG that I had to part out for $$$ when me and the wife split. I miss it.. lol
From the website:
"SVP allows you to watch any video on your PC file with frame interpolation (like you can watch it on high-end TVs and projectors). It increases frame rate by generating intermediate animation frames between existing ones to produce very smooth, fluid and clear motion. The technology is well-known for a while ("TrimensionDNM", "Motion Plus", "Motionflow" and others), but now it's available for free to PC users with simple GUI and just a couple of mouse clicks.
SVP provides GPU acceleration and it's possible to watch FullHD 1080p-video recalculated to 60Hz in real-time with mid-range CPU and almost any GPU hardware.
SVP actually is not a video player itself, but it enables almost any player to play smooth video."
I've been using this for a few days now and have been blown away by it. The initial kneejerk reaction when using it for the first time is that it's a little odd. We're so used to seeing video played back at the same low frame rates that we've had for decades that it takes a little time for the brain to adapt. For the first couple of hours of using it myself i had no intention of keeping it installed. After the second day of using it you couldn't pay me to go back to watching low frame rate video again! It's a night and day difference.
I could go on being effusive but you really need to try it yourselves to make your own minds up. All i would say is use it for a couple of days. You'll be impressed. The SVP package includes, and is preconfigured for MPC-HC. It does work with other players too though. I would recommend installing the full package using the default settings, ensuring that you've removed any other instances of MPC, Codecs and Filters first. And you do need reasonably decent hardware to run it well too.
Playing back a 1080 video uses 40% on all cores with my 3770K and 25% on my GTX570. I for one am actually glad to have something to run on a daily basis that justifies having spent money on good hardware though. Today i've watched a selection of HD movies and sport and each time it's taken my breath away how life-like everything appears. The clarity and immersion is incredible.
Here are some more links about SVP and HFR video:
Guru3D
Short Wikipedia entry
Interactive Demo
Demo Videos
Here are two short clips from Sons Of Anarchy. The first is normal framerate and the second at 60fps:
Original
HFR
The difference should be immediately obvious watching those two clips. If it's your first time watching HFR playback you might have experienced what people call the 'soap opera effect'. I know i did. That's what takes getting used to, but you soon do. It's LFR video that looks wrong to me now!
The flip side to using Frame Interpolation is artifacting. I found it intolerable with the default SVP settings, but setting 'Artifacts Masking' to 'Strongest' in each Profile has almost completely eliminated it for me. I might notice it once or twice during an entire movie only using that setting. Beside that, you might want to select the option for running SVP at Windows Startup and disabling the SVP On Screen Display too.
It's a profound change. James Cameron and Peter Jackson say it's the future of film. I would agree. Give it a go and see for yourselves.
Sounds pretty awesome. I'll give it a try and see if I like it.
Jessica said:
Sounds pretty awesome. I'll give it a try and see if I like it.
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It's not an audio clip that it sounds good it looks good
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Is it free?
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DanceOff said:
It's not an audio clip that it sounds good it looks good
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I know what it is.
Jessica said:
I know what it is.
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Lets be straight you were wrong firstly stop promoting amazon on aliens private chat forum
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Is there a tl;dr version?
jaszek said:
Is there a tl;dr version?
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No its a super boost mod for space ship DX-164B
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Is it free?
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I know its tl; dr but at least read the first paragraph.
I'm watching live sport at normal framerate right now and it looks like a stuttering, jittery mess. Once you go HFR, you can't go back.
Ok I read it now. Soap Opera for me, and trust me, I wont get used to it. I like watching my video at 24 - 30fps, the natural frame rate of the human eye.
Will give this a try, i am used to that effect on the TV already, it wont matter.
Aaand welcome back Dirk! Again!
Quoting wiki here "Thomas Edison said that 46 frames per second was the minimum: 'anything less will strain the eye.'"
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Ok I read it now. Soap Opera for me, and trust me, I wont get used to it. I like watching my video at 24 - 30fps, the natural frame rate of the human eye.
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Eyes don't see at a frame rate. There aren't any frames... everything is continuous. But when viewing anything above 60fps, eyes can't really tell the difference.
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Eyes don't see at a frame rate. There aren't any frames... everything is continuous. But when viewing anything above 60fps, eyes can't really tell the difference.
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My eyes are special. I have the sharingan in one eye, byakugan in the other. I can see everything.
PS: I don't expect anybody to get this.
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Eyes don't see at a frame rate. There aren't any frames... everything is continuous. But when viewing anything above 60fps, eyes can't really tell the difference.
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I think I read somewhere, that when compared to video, we see at 30fps. Not saying that we DO see at 30fps, but that's what the video equivalent would be. That's why watching 29.95fps (most) movies they have a natural feel to them, and with something like The Hobbit with 50fps, most critics hated it, and said the 25fps version was much more pleasant to watch.
Yup Hobbit was 48fps..they are critics after all. I thought higher fps in 3D=less strain.
Anyway, I tried reading about this whole frame rate and eye thing yesterday night and gave up. Glad i didn't take up medicine in college...
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I think I read somewhere, that when compared to video, we see at 30fps. Not saying that we DO see at 30fps, but that's what the video equivalent would be. That's why watching 29.95fps (most) movies they have a natural feel to them, and with something like The Hobbit with 50fps, most critics hated it, and said the 25fps version was much more pleasant to watch.
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The human eye doesn't see in still frames, The reason why shooting at 24fps became standard was because first, it was just high enough to give a sequence of images a continuous look, while second being not so high that it became too expensive in celluloid costs.
As for The Hobbit. Remember the kneejerk reaction i mentioned? After a century of film being played back at 24fps we have become used to that. Of course it looks a little strange at first when seeing HFR for the first time. For most people, watching The Hobbit was the very first time they had been exposed to it. A lot of people conceded that by the end of the film they had not only grown accustomed to it, but also didn't notice it any more. It took all of a couple of hours for the soap opera effect to disappear for me too, as it does for everyone. As i said in the OP, you have to use it for a day.
Have a look at the Poll results on CNET. Most people liked the HFR version of The Hobbit btw:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57559560-221/poll-did-you-like-the-smoother-hfr-hobbit/
As i said before, i've used SVP all weekend on a variety of media and it is amazing. Once i had to watch something at normal speed after being adapted to HFR it really exposed the difference. LFR is a stuttering, blurry mess in comparison.
HFR is the future. James Cameron has already committed to it for his future projects. Most good quality HDTVs are released now with different implementations of Interpolation that people are getting used to using. SVP just brings that ability to the PC/HTPC. The same software also makes it possible to re-encode any movie you have made to 60fps ready for uploading or sharing, but improving the quality of them. Great for fast moving gameplay videos. The package also includes SVPTube, a nifty little app that lets you play back YouTube videos in real time with HFR applied to it. Pretty cool!
Ichigo said:
My eyes are special. I have the sharingan in one eye, byakugan in the other. I can see everything.
PS: I don't expect anybody to get this.
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Ah that's the second naruto refrence I had to read today. Well I'll give it a try.
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Ichigo said:
My eyes are special. I have the sharingan in one eye, byakugan in the other. I can see everything.
PS: I don't expect anybody to get this.
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I used to be so into anime that i got it
This program is free though right?
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Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the LG V20 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Still waiting to purchase this phone but found an "AMAZING" video shot with a V20 strapped on top of his head!
Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzX1VJ33daE
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Still waiting to purchase this phone but found an "AMAZING" video shot with a V20 strapped on top of his head!
Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzX1VJ33daE
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Wow, talk about impressive.
Well, the shadow definitely confirms there's a phone on his head. That's seriously amazing to even consider doing that and it does look really good.
I see the wide lens and what he's doing (aside from the views) being amazing, but that quality is horrible. ?
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any ideas?
has anyone tried the slow-mo function on recording? when i activate that function the camera becomes way darker :silly:
joseguillen1994 said:
has anyone tried the slow-mo function on recording? when i activate that function the camera becomes way darker :silly:
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It's shooting at 120 fps! So the shutter speed is incredibly fast and you will need A LOT of light. This is standard with any slow-mo recording. You can try bumping up the ISO but the reality is, you will most likely be doing slow-mo only when you have sufficient light with a sensor this small.
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It's shooting at 120 fps! So the shutter speed is incredibly fast and you will need A LOT of light. This is standard with any slow-mo recording. You can try bumping up the ISO but the reality is, you will most likely be doing slow-mo only when you have sufficient light with a sensor this small.
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Now that you are saying that. i remember that with my S5, it was happening the same, so you are 100% right! :good:
Ladies and Gents, please look into youtube for V20 videos. SOME SCENES clearly show a fine line in the middle of the video in most of what I saw.
This is NOT the only example out there, you gotta youtube for more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxe7nyvwXT0
Trust me, I tried not to see it, but it is there.
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Ladies and Gents, please look into youtube for V20 videos. SOME SCENES clearly show a fine line in the middle of the video in most of what I saw.
This is NOT the only example out there, you gotta youtube for more.
Trust me, I tried not to see it, but it is there.
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None on my phone. Can you provide a time stamp which u see the artifact?
I took the V20 out to my son's baseball game today. Wasn't all that impressed. Maybe because I'm a noob, and have to learn about using the camera and video functions and capabilities of the device. My V20 was set at FHD 60, or aka, 1080/60fps. I was posted near 1st base. When you launch the camera, it goes to auto mode. When action would occur, I would hit the video button, and it would start recording. The footage came out very bright. It was a sunny day today with occasional cloud cover.
I won't compare this too my Note 4, or my Hero4 Black that I have been always using at the baseball games. I may have left the "AE-L" feature enabled, or I should have just been in manual video mode to begin with. I will pay attention to the settings next outing, and hopefully it's just user error the first time around!
Will post here too.
Low light footage sbot with Cinema 4K, 2K/200Mbs, edited in Adobe Premier.
youtu.be/iQcTSWLWAG0
Emerald Core said:
Ladies and Gents, please look into youtube for V20 videos. SOME SCENES clearly show a fine line in the middle of the video in most of what I saw.
This is NOT the only example out there, you gotta youtube for more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxe7nyvwXT0
Trust me, I tried not to see it, but it is there.
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WTF
Unique sound quality and great picture in manual mode!
https://youtu.be/1z3SJuy5spk
https://youtu.be/EKoEaLrkuwc
https://youtu.be/ynLz4a0OMiw
https://youtu.be/yHnH-Wgvs5c
All shot on our beloved V20;
Part 1: https://youtu.be/mg4-K_MiHKI
Part 2: https://youtu.be/dJ5VjPwAs_Q
I have shot my short film on my LG V20. Please check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e-coqRsgRQ&t=3s
Thank you!
Awesome!!!
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I have shot my short film on my LG V20. Please check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e-coqRsgRQ&t=3s
Thank you!
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Great work and great short story friend! Thumbs up
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Great work and great short story friend! Thumbs up
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Thank you very much! Stay tuned for more films!
Question - in auto mode it has the possibility of doing 60 frames per second on video. If I go to manual video mode and make it do it's auto thing it dumps down the frames mostly to 50 fps and to make it go up you need more light and then it goes up, first it begins to push down iso until 50 then it will start effecting the FPS number. Why is that - why would it go down to 50 fps and not just down to 60 fps?
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Apparently it now goes to 60 frames by standard - no idea what why it changed and how - it correctly do 1/60 now and not 1/50 - maybe it was the update.
Hi Guys! Im looking for a phone that is the best in low light video (not photo!!!)
had an s9 on me a few days ago but the videos were way too dark in the situation i need it for.
now i found this video on youtube, can this be legit, or some gimmick used here?
Huawei P20 Pro - moving in low light : Bucharest at night 4K
the dark places (park, under trees etc) look way better than the s9.
but its hard to believe, i read in lot of reviews that the videos on the p20 pro are mediocre, not as great as the photo quality.
i suspect this was made with DSLR, not this phone....
any opinions? thx?
kbuss said:
Hi Guys! Im looking for a phone that is the best in low light video (not photo!!!)
had an s9 on me a few days ago but the videos were way too dark in the situation i need it for.
now i found this video on youtube, can this be legit, or some gimmick used here?
Huawei P20 Pro - moving in low light : Bucharest at night 4K
the dark places (park, under trees etc) look way better than the s9.
but its hard to believe, i read in lot of reviews that the videos on the p20 pro are mediocre, not as great as the photo quality.
i suspect this was made with DSLR, not this phone....
any opinions? thx?
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It might be real...I own one and the video quality is way better since android 9...I will make a video tonight and upload it on youtube and post it here...and let you decide. The light in that video is not bad,because of the street lights,so not so hard to be at that quality. But I always make videos ad 1080 60 fps,it's better in my opinion and stabilization is active.
But I will do it at 4k in a few hours(they obviously put the phone on a stand or something,the video had no shake at all,I will do it by hand,so a little shake will be in my video,the stabilization is only active at most 1080 60 fps)
Please note that the p20 pro does not have image stabilization in 4k. They used a gimball. That is indeed p20 pro, I recognise the wavyness of the video when panning around. However... The video quality is not good. Samsung is better at that.
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It might be real...I own one and the video quality is way better since android 9...I will make a video tonight and upload it on youtube
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hey thanks but if not a problem for you, plz make a video in the lowest possible framerate/resolution.
allow me to be more precise. im looking for the phone i can make a usable video in the lowest possible light.
i live in a problematic neighborhood, and if there is some argument that i record for evidence, i need video that is not just a black screen...
i dont need 4k for that, in fact even 480p would be enough if it has best low light sensitivity.
i try to attach 2 examples . THESE WERE MADE WITH S9!!! not p20 pro
1. part of my room with a 15W lava lamp. as you can see, apart from the lamp, everything else in unrecognizable (guitar on the wall, computer desk) you can barely see something is there.
2. garden+street with average suburban lighting. at the end of the video, there is good lighting, but if something is shadowed from the streetlight (tree, bushes) you basically see nothing, just pitch black. you woulnd even see if a person is there or not.
i converted to gif for better uploading but on the original videos the light level was the same, you cannot see nothing in the dark parts.
thats why it was hard to believe in the first post video, you can basically see everything, even in the shadows.
guys it wont properly play the above gifs, and many times just hangs. XDA site problem or its on my side...? thx
I do a ton of recording at EDM shows, rapidly changing lights, lazers, etc, and I've been beyond impressed by the video quality. The details this camera catches is nothing shy of amazing. I also don't bother with 4k, because in all honesty, I won't be viewing the videos on a TV large enough to take advantage of the resolution. So for me 1080P is more than adequate. Plus the steady shot/stabilization is definitely needed at my shows. My only complaint about videos on the P20 is the volume in loud environments. Ideally I should be using a usb-C microphone, but it's just easier without.
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hey thanks but if not a problem for you, plz make a video in the lowest possible framerate/resolution.
allow me to be more precise. im looking for the phone i can make a usable video in the lowest possible light.
i live in a problematic neighborhood, and if there is some argument that i record for evidence, i need video that is not just a black screen...
i dont need 4k for that, in fact even 480p would be enough if it has best low light sensitivity.
i try to attach 2 examples . THESE WERE MADE WITH S9!!! not p20 pro
1. part of my room with a 15W lava lamp. as you can see, apart from the lamp, everything else in unrecognizable (guitar on the wall, computer desk) you can barely see something is there.
2. garden+street with average suburban lighting. at the end of the video, there is good lighting, but if something is shadowed from the streetlight (tree, bushes) you basically see nothing, just pitch black. you woulnd even see if a person is there or not.
i converted to gif for better uploading but on the original videos the light level was the same, you cannot see nothing in the dark parts.
thats why it was hard to believe in the first post video, you can basically see everything, even in the shadows.
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Ok,I will. I did not have time yesterday. I will make a video in my room,with light only from pc,and another with the monitor turned off,I have lots of leds so there is some light,but very low.
Here you go,I made a video in my room,the only light source being my pc: https://youtu.be/Hb5nxI_APNA
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Here you go,I made a video in my room,the only light source being my pc: https://youtu.be/Hb5nxI_APNA
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hey, thx nice Union Jack :good: :highfive:
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Here you go,I made a video in my room,the only light source being my pc: https://youtu.be/Hb5nxI_APNA
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just 1 more thing. if you turn off the monitor, but put the video in 720p/30 fps, does the camera "see" anything?
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It might be real...I own one and the video quality is way better since android 9...I will make a video tonight and upload it on youtube and post it here...and let you decide. The light in that video is not bad,because of the street lights,so not so hard to be at that quality. But I always make videos ad 1080 60 fps,it's better in my opinion and stabilization is active.
But I will do it at 4k in a few hours(they obviously put the phone on a stand or something,the video had no shake at all,I will do it by hand,so a little shake will be in my video,the stabilization is only active at most 1080 60 fps)
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There is no stabilization at 1080p 60 fps. You will only have it up to 30 fps.
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just 1 more thing. if you turn off the monitor, but put the video in 720p/30 fps, does the camera "see" anything?
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Of course not,only the leds from pc,but in picture,night mode it can capture a lot more detail than I can see with my eyes.
And the video you saw captured very well,I did not see much more than the camera,it was very dark in the room.
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Of course not,only the leds from pc,but in picture,night mode it can capture a lot more detail than I can see with my eyes.
And the video you saw captured very well,I did not see much more than the camera,it was very dark in the room.
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thx, sorry, i was looking into other phones thats why it took long to get back...
i understand your reply, thats exactly my problem. im pretty much convinced that the original video is fake or cannot be made with a stock p20p camera app...
i live in a similar city like Bucharest where the video is made, eastern europe also.
in a business disctrict maybe, but in parks, normal streets etc we just dont have enough light for that
if you check the video you see that everything is visible even in the shadows, for example someone couldnt hide there cos the camera would see him.
thats just not realistic. i watched your footage, and is very similar to s9, although i had less light, but not complete darkness, sort of in between.
yes i know the night photo is great but i couldt find any evidence that it has better low light video then other phones... (apart from that one in the post)
i mean if its that good, how come we dont have a lot of amateur videos, or vlogger videos made at night with the p20p..?
just doesnt add up for me.
ps: i checked, my light was about 1/3 of your white PC screen.
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thx, sorry, i was looking into other phones thats why it took long to get back...
i understand your reply, thats exactly my problem. im pretty much convinced that the original video is fake or cannot be made with a stock p20p camera app...
i live in a similar city like Bucharest where the video is made, eastern europe also.
in a business disctrict maybe, but in parks, normal streets etc we just dont have enough light for that
if you check the video you see that everything is visible even in the shadows, for example someone couldnt hide there cos the camera would see him.
thats just not realistic. i watched your footage, and is very similar to s9, although i had less light, but not complete darkness, sort of in between.
yes i know the night photo is great but i couldt find any evidence that it has better low light video then other phones... (apart from that one in the post)
i mean if its that good, how come we dont have a lot of amateur videos, or vlogger videos made at night with the p20p..?
just doesnt add up for me.
ps: i checked, my light was about 1/3 of your white PC screen.
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I did not compare it with other premium NEW phones,but it's good enough for me,if I ever want to make a video at night,most probably it will be inside a house,a pub,or even outside is good enough with street lights...if you need more,I don't know what to recommend to you,I did not research enough. But I do know it's better than cheaper phones for sure...and better than my old P9 and my Asus Zenfone 3(which were both premium when they were released).