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I have a theory

Okay I know for most 3D we need glasses and the type of 3D the is glasses free means you have to have the screen directly in front of you. I think we need a good glasses free 3D, agreed?
Well the earlier I saw a gif of different faces taking at different angles and as it merged from one photo to another (rather quickly) it give an illusion of 3D depth such as watching a 3DTV. So my theory is;
The frame from the left camera is shown then the same frame from the right camera replaces it, it does this but each frame is on screen half the time they would be normally would doing this give the illusion of 3D like 3DTV does, could anybody create a video that does this? Would this work?

Im thinking it could work but it would be a pain to do it. You will need 2 cameras,the settings excactly the same on them with speed of like 60 frames per second, maybe even closer to 100 fps. Then you will need to import it into some kick ass video editing software, sync the videos up, and tell the program to drop every 2nd frame and replace it with the frame from the other video.

They would have to film at 29.98fps on each camera, since that's what our eyes see. Then for different effects, just double, triple or whatever the framerate, and then merge the two vids with the frames alternating, then we might see 3D

or you could do this

There is a display that shows holographic 3D without glasses, but it's ridiculously expensive and impractical for now. Tech is on the way though.

3D gives me a headache....
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3d? What 3d?
I watched movies in 3d since like...never I think (I've wanted to but I can't ). But meh, what so interesting about those conventional 3d anyway? I'm still waiting for universal holographic projection to comes out.

drpsyko said:
3d? What 3d?
I watched movies in 3d since like...never I think (I've wanted to but I can't ). But meh, what so interesting about those conventional 3d anyway? I'm still waiting for universal holographic projection to comes out.
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Nothing special about 3D, it's just meh.

husam666 said:
Nothing special about 3D, it's just meh.
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Yeah. Kinda reminds me of a TV program here in the UK a few years ago where they went out to a shopping centre and asked normal people to try on some 3D glasses. The reactions of some people who didn't get the irony; "Oh no, I don't like those. I'd rather carry on living life with 2D vision"

Simon.TS.HTC said:
Yeah. Kinda reminds me of a TV program here in the UK a few years ago where they went out to a shopping centre and asked normal people to try on some 3D glasses. The reactions of some people who didn't get the irony; "Oh no, I don't like those. I'd rather carry on living life with 2D vision"
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lol, I have no idea why everything with the word 3D sells that much

Video Recording etc,

Hey guys, been watching a few videos on the Nexus 4 now and one thing that has really impressed me so far is the video recording, and more specifically the microphone when recording.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IZIG-YnLhE
Just thought I'd shove this video here, im sure some of you have seen it already but is it just me or is the microphone really clear?
Im currently using the iPhone 4s and the microphone isn't as good as this. The video is a little shaky but I'm sure if mounted on a tri-pod (with an adapter of course) it should work fine.
Edit, then again, this video says otherwise.. http://youtu.be/M4CbYXKxj6I

The microphone is average, but the frame rate overwhelms it on the negative side.

Can anyone mod a 30fps video or is the problem of 22fps , in the sensor itself ?

The sensor IS capable of 30fps (even more). Software isn't taking full advantage of the sensor. Maybe on a more recent build the problem is already fixed, but no one on more recent builds posted an unedited video

Wat sensor does it have?
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I take my Atrix 2 as a benchmark, and since it's a phone from end-2011, for progress' sake, the N4 should beat it hands down.
Sound-wise, the Atrix 2 does near camcorder-quality and beats the N4 by a long shot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ii2Q7FJ5bA
Image-wise, the N4 looks good. Remember that youtube videos are often compressed badly and stutter on their own. It is sharp and there's plenty of details, judging from the op's second link, but the framerate is poor. My Atrix2's recording frame rate is always 30 fps, and image quality is just a tad worse.
So may I ask google, is it that difficult to do, with top-notch hardware, what motorola did 1 year ago with now-outdated chips?

Doesn't youtube cap videos at 30fps?

MizuhoChan said:
Doesn't youtube cap videos at 30fps?
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Nope, It reinterprets higher framerates into 30frames, unless the slowmotion effect is going to be employed, in which case it keeps the extra frames. What looks to be the problem is the recording refresh rate. The output of the codec file is always going to be a standard (24/30 in NTSC, 25 in PAL), whether or not there are actual frames there, is determined by the refresh rate.
My point is that youtube isn't going to reinterpret the video and change the framerate.

What is wrong with the FPS?
This phone just gets worse :\

Im more interested in the mic. In some videos its decent, others its terrible?
The video looks fine, stop complaining. Do I have to go on about the price like everyone does?
This is going to be a hard week, I have to use an iPhone, sold my SGS2 ):

roughavoc said:
The video looks fine, stop complaining. Do I have to go on about the price like everyone does?
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No, it doesn't.
You can go on about the price, but you'll still be wrong, since other devices at a lot of pricing ranges are able to maintain 30fps video recording.
And since not everyone is able to buy from the Google Market (there's a thing called "rest of the world"), and price outside is REALLY higher, you'll be double wrong.
As said a lot around, seems to be a software bug, making the camera module basically "take a lot of photos" instead of "making a video". The camera itself IS able to do [email protected] and [email protected] The S4 processor and 2GB of RAM are more than capable of dealing with the support necessary.
Google/LG are likely to NOT fix it, but I hope someday the community here manages to.

Is it recorded in 1080p? If so I think it will look smooth in 720p.

Frunobulax said:
Google/LG are likely to NOT fix it, but I hope someday the community here manages to.
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Bet you lots of money that it's fixed on launch day - producing 30FPS videos like a champ. NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE A FINAL VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE. And judging by the performance increase within the last few days on at least one N4 device, I'm going take an educated guess and say that Google are releasing software updates once every 2 or 3 days before the launch and my honest opinion is that Google are impairing things on purpose so that no one from the company runs off with a device and chucks it on eBay for quad profit.

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Bet you lots of money that it's fixed on launch day - producing 30FPS videos like a champ. NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE A FINAL VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE. And judging by the performance increase within the last few days on at least one N4 device, I'm going take an educated guess and say that Google are releasing software updates once every 2 or 3 days before the launch (...)
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Well, I'm putting a few chips here. I sincerely hope you win, but I think the chances are abysmal that they care about such "secondary" stuff. They fixed the S4, I saw that benchmark. But no one commented about a camera fix.
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(...)and my honest opinion is that Google are impairing things on purpose so that no one from the company runs off with a device and chucks it on eBay for quad profit.
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Now that was just tinfoilhatted.

[Q] Underwhelming demo experience at Best Buy - thoughts?

OK, Just went to Best Buy to demo the gear VR. First - the demo time is limited to 3 minutes which made it a little difficult to get a good idea.
My major problem with the demo was the image quality. Now I was not expecting miracles. I have read the forums and expected sd effect but this was major sd. Large pixels were unfocused where one could see the red/green/blue. It was almost like an old crt that had been badly focused. I almost wondered if they had a bum unit.
I was watching the trailers in the movie theaters btw.
So Im wondering - is this basically the quality one should expect from the VR currently? Has anyone had experience loading their own films on the unit and is the quality better than the trailers loaded on the unit?
Any opinions would be appreciated (Again - Im wondering if the unit they had was just a bad one)
Thanks

stevegee111 said:
OK, Just went to Best Buy to demo the gear VR. First - the demo time is limited to 3 minutes which made it a little difficult to get a good idea.
My major problem with the demo was the image quality. Now I was not expecting miracles. I have read the forums and expected sd effect but this was major sd. Large pixels were unfocused where one could see the red/green/blue. It was almost like an old crt that had been badly focused. I almost wondered if they had a bum unit.
I was watching the trailers in the movie theaters btw.
So Im wondering - is this basically the quality one should expect from the VR currently? Has anyone had experience loading their own films on the unit and is the quality better than the trailers loaded on the unit?
Any opinions would be appreciated (Again - Im wondering if the unit they had was just a bad one)
Thanks
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Did you try adjusting the focus wheel?

Yes - the focus wheel had little to no effect. Almost as if it was there for show.

Possibly broken but remember it's only a QHD screen so there will be pixels visable. We need to wait for 8k screens... I love me gearvr and amazed our phones offer this ability
-= Note 4 & Gear VR =-

Sounds like a defective unit to me. Yes the picture isn't perfect but "unfocused and can see the red/green/blue "definitely not. I've watched gravity, avatar ,xmen and godzilla all in 3d on the vr and obviously it's not like watching in on a hd TV but you are watching it on a 100ft large screen in a virtual cinema which you can't do at home

Wondering - Has anyone loaded on hd rips of movies and watched them vs the trailers that they have pre-loaded?
Is the quality improved? Maybe their trailers are low bit rate. Thanks

sawdoctor said:
Sounds like a defective unit to me. Yes the picture isn't perfect but "unfocused and can see the red/green/blue "definitely not. I've watched gravity, avatar ,xmen and godzilla all in 3d on the vr and obviously it's not like watching in on a hd TV but you are watching it on a 100ft large screen in a virtual cinema which you can't do at home
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Doesn't sound broke. I can always see the red/green/blue in pixels when focused. It always reminded me of CRT TVs.

I don't see the red/green/blue at all. Sounds like defected units. Also my pixals are extremely small. Maybe because I have 15/20 vision with my contacts in? I don't know.

Hardcore73 said:
I don't see the red/green/blue at all. Sounds like defected units. Also my pixals are extremely small. Maybe because I have 15/20 vision with my contacts in? I don't know.
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I see them pretty clearly

They are visible if you focus your attention on them. Once you focus your mind on video or game they disappear.
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I believe focus issues have a lot to do with the alignment of your eyes and the 3D effect. If you eyes are not aligned properly then the 3D effect may create a double image
Also I've noticed the eyepad with the nose bridge included positions the device on your face for better focus.
Another issue is just getting used to a slightly screen door image. Also remenber these movies et al are largely in FHD not QHD and that is also hurting the experience.
If your phone is rooted you can also increase the DPI which may help with pixel size.
Part of enjoying this is your brain just getting used to it. I find that focusing tightly on what I'm looking at as opposed to generally staring in a direction helps focus. Its not that focus with the unit is poor so much as the 3D tech is imperfectly tuned for each person. Also I think we've come to expect 3D things to jump out at us; however thus is not the effect 3D has in real life. In real life 3D merely adds depth and that is what this does more than in your face hollywood 3D.
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Try setting your DPI to 400.

Why are 360 videos SO out of focus?

I watch HD videos in the Oculus Cinema and although i can see pixels the focus is pretty good. But then I watch a 360 video and the focus is absolutely awful. The NYC and Iceland flyovers are awful quality. Just watched a Venice 360 and I could not distinguish peoples facial features standing just 10 feet away.
I don't believe this is a GVR problem as still 360 pics are quite in focus. It seems to be something about how the 360 videos are shot. Hugely disappointing and at this point I don't even bother watching them.
Does anyone know where we can get some true FHD 360 videos?

mitchellvii said:
I watch HD videos in the Oculus Cinema and although i can see pixels the focus is pretty good. But then I watch a 360 video and the focus is absolutely awful. The NYC and Iceland flyovers are awful quality. Just watched a Venice 360 and I could not distinguish peoples facial features standing just 10 feet away.
I don't believe this is a GVR problem as still 360 pics are quite in focus. It seems to be something about how the 360 videos are shot. Hugely disappointing and at this point I don't even bother watching them.
Does anyone know where we can get some true FHD 360 videos?
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I agree that the quality is kind of poor and it would've been nice to not deal with the blurry videos issue.
There is a site called www.airpano.com that I think has some good quality video. I couldn't download any of the videos directly from my phone and maybe you need a computer. Try it out and let us know if you are able to get any good video on the VR.
I find that 180 degree adult videos are great compared to the demo ones. There is a thread were we are talking about it.

I think the issue may be that with a 360 video it really is TMI (too much information) and thus the quality suffers. It makes sense then that 180 videos would be much better. And unless you are standing or in a swivel chair, 360 video is pretty useless. I think I'll start looking for 180 content instead.

mitchellvii said:
I think the issue may be that with a 360 video it really is TMI (too much information) and thus the quality suffers. It makes sense then that 180 videos would be much better. And unless you are standing or in a swivel chair, 360 video is pretty useless. I think I'll start looking for 180 content instead.
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Nah, 360 is nice to have. You can move your head around to inspect the location.
You bring up a good point before as of why the videos recorded with the phone /regular camera are far better. It took me a lil' bit to get used to the 360 video quality and now I am enjoying it.
VirtualRealPorn.com has some good content and 180 trailers. Let us know if you find anything else.

SDJB said:
VirtualRealPorn.com has some good content and 180 trailers. Let us know if you find anything else.
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Cool concept but that site needs some better looking models before they get my money - eeech!

mitchellvii said:
Cool concept but that site needs some better looking models before they get my money - eeech!
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LOL... Agree with you on that reason why I only downloaded some trailers to experiment. I would definitely like to have one full just for giggles and demo to friends.
Top question I get asked by random ppl is "can you watch porn?". For some reason girls have asked me more than guys (surprising to Me).

SDJB said:
LOL... Agree with you on that reason why I only downloaded some trailers to experiment. I would definitely like to have one full just for giggles and demo to friends.
Top question I get asked by random ppl is "can you watch porn?". For some reason girls have asked me more than guys (surprising to Me).
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Yeah well porn pretty much makes up like 30% of all Internet traffic. Hey, people like sex, who knew? I think the whole VR thing brings it to another level (obviously). Closest lots of these fat slobs will ever get to the real thing (cheaper too). Just a matter of time before the uber hot chicks start making them.
Funny thing is I bought this mainly for the 360 videos hoping for an "immersive" experience. The pixels and focus issues kind of ruined that for me; however, I really am enjoying the immersion in some of these games, especially the space blaster ones. The black background of space reduces the binocular effect and seems like you're really there.

im360VR - Immersive Media

Everyone saw this nice addition yet? Was really nice specially the Rosie and the New Zeeland sports 360 videos.
However after playing 5 videos in a row I got a message that my gear vr needs to cool down for optimal performance. Is this a Exynos issue in the im360VR app? Or does it happen to SD as well?
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When experiencing this one make sure you discovered the possibility to turn through your gear vr-touchpad.
Makes it a lot easier and less turning head while watching the Rosie vid to watch who is talking or jumping off that aeroplane facing backwards trying to turn your head 180 degrees.
This functionality is only available in im360VR and not in Oculus 360 videos to me, is there a way to turn your "start position" there other than reorienting? Would be nice... maybe with some game pad?
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These videos are terribly out of focus and barely watchable.

I don't think they are that bad, some of them are not well put together 360 because you can see the edges where the pictures are merged, if that's what you mean with out of focus.
But still nice addition with new experiences.
Not too many decent "real world/person" 360 experiences expect for cirque de soleil and evolution of verse is also really well done though it's also has animation.
All the other animated and games are better in many ways with less obvious pixeling effect. But it's a nice idea visiting real places through the vr 360. And this does that.
And as said nice functionality with choosing which direction to face using the gear vr touchpad.
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JNetwork said:
I don't think they are that bad, some of them are not well put together 360 because you can see the edges where the pictures are merged, if that's what you mean with out of focus.
But still nice addition with new experiences.
Not too many decent "real world/person" 360 experiences expect for cirque de soleil and evolution of verse is also really well done though it's also has animation.
All the other animated and games are better in many ways with less obvious pixeling effect. But it's a nice idea visiting real places through the vr 360. And this does that.
And as said nice functionality with choosing which direction to face using the gear vr touchpad.
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I'm surprised you're comparing Felix&Paul / VRSE content with this. This is just spherical video, while the other is 3D spherical video, which is infinitely more complex to achieve.
There is a ton of spherical video available (there's a whole topic of links here), but the immersion is completely inferior to actual, properly stitched 3D spherical.
PS: Which part of Evolution of Verse do you reckon is not animation?

Yes that is true didn't mean to compare them as in that they are equal in any way, just the type of content I was thinking of, closer to real world experiences than say temple run. And it doesn't apply to Ev.o.v. now that I think about it. I guess all of it is animation but the start shows a view as if it was real and done nicely, it's not a gaming environment or cartoon environment if you know what I mean, more real. But the rest with pattern & colors in the sky and the train and ending it is really pure animation and not even meant to look real.
There is a ton out there yes but when it is added in Oculus store it is usually some kind of quality check and better than the average video you'll find which I find this was also.
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JNetwork said:
Yes that is true didn't mean to compare them as in that they are equal in any way, just the type of content I was thinking of, closer to real world experiences than say temple run. And it doesn't apply to Ev.o.v. now that I think about it. I guess all of it is animation but the start shows a view as if it was real and done nicely, it's not a gaming environment or cartoon environment if you know what I mean, more real. But the rest with pattern & colors in the sky and the train and ending it is really pure animation and not even meant to look real.
There is a ton out there yes but when it is added in Oculus store it is usually some kind of quality check and better than the average video you'll find which I find this was also.
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Unfortunately that quality check guy fell into a coma when they released half of the Milk VR content heh.
You really should check airpano, quite a bit of their stuff is superb, if not for the 2d bit. Then also Fassbender stuff, the new beach one is quite a relaxing experience.
Then also rest of Felix & Paul stuff (you only mentioned Zarkana), and if you're the experimental type, hack yourself some JauntVR videos (all of them are live-action spherical 3D, just not as good as F&P at stitching).

Thanks for great tips will check.
Anyone know if the overheat is more common/happens faster on exynos since to me it happened in this regular 360 videos as well as in games like herobound after a while. Hopefully it is better in Android L.
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JNetwork said:
Thanks for great tips will check.
Anyone know if the overheat is more common/happens faster on exynos since to me it happened in this regular 360 videos as well as in games like herobound after a while. Hopefully it is better in Android L.
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Sure, VRSE video takes the cake on mine. I started a habit of taking the back out - makes it a little bit cooler and also easier to remove the battery one it hangs like a depressed banana. Guess we should start installing fans.
PS: If you quote someone they get an notification so that they know someone has responded to them.

Im running mine in power saving mode and never get overheating message. It doesnt affect performance of watching 360 videos untill they are in 4k resolution. With power saving enabled and 4k 360 video being played there are frames skipped while moving head around.
On the other note. Is there a way do move videos downloaded in Im360vr to memory card and still play them while using them with im360vr app? Maybe easier way is to reencode them to mp4 format readable by "regular" 360 videos app? Seems like im360vr videos are over 1 gigabyte in size.
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Ok gonna try power saving, you enable CPU performance limit then, and nothing else?
Frames skipped is not optimal but until overheating is solved it'll do if it's only on 4k vids.
Yeah most of them are around or just over 1GB. Gonna try and see if it works moving them, could be that they need mod for it to work.
I'm also interested in vice versa, moving 360 to the im360VR folder to enable touchpad function but doubt it will work without mod/reencoding
Will check back when tried.
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Try this experiment. Place a normal video in the 360 folder and watch it. You will see that you can actually pan as in a 360 video but the image is quite out of focus and zoomed in despite being completely clear viewed in Oculus Cinema. Now place a normal 360 video in your My Videos folder. Perfectly clear although odd looking.
Perhaps the focus problems in 360 videos is due to zooming?

Anyone else having issues of downloading these videos? I look at the download button and tap the headset and I get nothing!

eliaseje said:
Anyone else having issues of downloading these videos? I look at the download button and tap the headset and I get nothing!
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Same here.
The only thing that works for me is the streaming from the office. (The lights are on today)

Did anyone experience changes in the content of im360VR ?
3-4 days ago there has been a huge variety of different scenes, maybe about 10-15 different videos to download and now there is only a few.
I am not sure whether i screwed up my content library, due to deleting some of the content with the note 4 standard filemanager app and not inside the im360's app.
Uninstalling and reinstalling the im360VR app didn't help.
Looks like immersive media changed the content...

eliaseje said:
Anyone else having issues of downloading these videos? I look at the download button and tap the headset and I get nothing!
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I just read a post in the Oculus forum by Domen Lo saying to make sure you are using wi-fi.
I turned my wi-fi on and now I am able to download.

pbelcomp said:
I just read a post in the Oculus forum by Domen Lo saying to make sure you are using wi-fi.
I turned my wi-fi on and now I am able to download.
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Hehe, yay.