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You may not know how useful USB host is. You can use USB stick (up to 32GB), USB keyboard, USB mouse.
If it had USB host, I'd buy it for sure (wifi only).
Sadly NO...
On German Amazon its possible to pre order the device and the datasheed isnt saying something about USB Host
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/B1gfmv71YkS.pdf
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0041RSF6Y/
This one was my favorite (because of the Phone capability) until you asked this very good question
Maybe they got it rooted in future and then its possible? (depends also on hardware...)
Greetz Tokl
I'd guess that its not going to ever have the capability without hacking. I don't think any device has that at the moment.
I guess what gets hacked depends on what the hackers think is worth doing, and I can see that USB host would be an especailly awesome thing for the Tab so hopefully it will get some interest.
If its a game breaker, you may well be disappoited for a long while tho. This kind of hacking doesn't happen over night.
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I'd guess that its not going to ever have the capability without hacking. I don't think any device has that at the moment.
If its a game breaker, you may well be disappoited for a long while tho. This kind of hacking doesn't happen over night.
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This is SO true. I remember people trying for years to hack USB host mode in to Nokia's Linux Tablets: the N770 and such. I wonder: Did they ever manage to do it?
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I'd guess that its not going to ever have the capability without hacking. I don't think any device has that at the moment.
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Please someone correct me if I'm wrong (as I don't have the device in question) but doesn't the Nokia N8/E7 support just that? I seem to remember a video demonstration of the N8 supporting an USB memory stick.
Also, the Tab will have a dock that has a keyboard, so it's not totally impossible for it to have USB host capabilities.
AnttiV said:
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong (as I don't have the device in question) but doesn't the Nokia N8/E7 support just that? I seem to remember a video demonstration of the N8 supporting an USB memory stick.
Also, the Tab will have a dock that has a keyboard, so it's not totally impossible for it to have USB host capabilities.
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I don't know about the N8, sadly I just don't have much interest in that part of the mobile space. However, some googling seems to indicate that it is possible (news articles say so) but I don't know if its naitive or needs hacking.
As for the keyboard and stuff, thats a good point. I can't see them using a non-usb standard for that, so it must just be the proprietary connector that makes the difference. In that case, all we should need is a Tab-USB connector, and a few drivers. That would really give the tab some muscle.
In general can mobile devices support the USB min-harddrives ? The ones that power from the port ? If thats possible then the tab will kick serious ass. 250 gigs in your pocket for cheaper than a microSD card.
I'm not really a fan of Nokia's products either, although they USED to make great products they haven't done so in awhile. And I *hate* Symbian. Anyways, at least the N8 DOES have some USB Host capabilities:
"Among the Nokia N8's neater tricks is its support for USB On-The-Go, which basically lets you connect USB peripherals (flash drives, for example) to the phone and have it act as a host..."
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/30/nokia-n8s-usb-on-the-go-support-demoed-lesser-phones-turned-in/
That was almost perfectly offtopic, sorry for that ^_^
Oh, or not, perhaps! Look what I JUST found:
"USB Standard port adapter
With this kit your Galaxy Tab becomes a standard USB port. With this USB port you can synchronize your digital camera or other devices."
http://www.oled-display.net/more-sa...s-bluetooth-pen-standard-usb-adapter-and-more
Well if they are going to officially make an adapter then maybe we are going to get USB Host... I can't see how you could transfer things off a digicam without the Tab hosting it as a drive.
Well... This looks pretty awesome then.
But they *CAN* cripple the functionality to just mass-storage devices or perhaps just cameras, like Apple did with their USB Camera connection kit, or whatever it was called.
Let's just hope that Samsung doesn't go that route.
Hopefully samsung aren't that stupid Although in theory we should be able to hack it back open anyway, and its a good start at least.
Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I'm also wondering about usb host (or at least OTG) on the Tab (as I'm considering buying on to port Meego to).
Could someone who has the keyboard doc post the dmesg output once it's been plugged in please?
From some dmesg output I saw elsewhere (but not with the keyboard dock), it appears that the USB chipset is an OTG version, and seeing it act in host mode with the keyboard doc plugged in would be a nice confirmation.
I Would be interested to see the anser for this one.
Yes it is launched (mainly for photographers) i have seen it's price, very cool cheap at £10000 plus something!
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It's not the Fools Day yet, so keep your jokes at bay.
OK, I just ordered a keyboard dock and I'll have a look. I'll post a dmesg output and open it to see if the PCB is marked in any way.
According to the pinout (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9925838) there seems to be no other way for data to flow apart from USB.
So one of the following must (should) be true:
1. Samsung is reusing the pins for a proprietary protocol -probably reconfiguring the device by pulling up or down other pins.
2. The device is capable of host/OTG mode but it is probably unpowered and it probably needs a pin pull-up/pull-down to enable.
3. The keyboard is using unidentified pins, and the USB pins are used simply for the PC connection and power.
Does anyone know if the keyboard acts as a proper dock? i.e. when you connect it to the pc does it work at the same time as (say) KIES or drive mount?
Just a quick update, the keyboard was just shipped, and I should have it by Tuesday.
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Hi,
Just wondering whether you got any further with this?
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There was a problem with my order (the company didn't have any in stock) and the keyboard hasn't arrived yet. Still waiting!
I'll post the moment it arrives.
EDIT: Normally I would name and shame the company, but they are sending me a couple of freebies for their mistake so I'm happy
USB host
This is a good concept. I have an Archos 70 and a Galaxy tab. Archos has a micro usb port with which I connected my USB host adapter and the key board and mouse works . Flash drive and router dongle says more power required. So I am looking for a powered USB connector for this.
Unfortunately, Galaxy tab has different cable and I dont know if I can find a host cable for this. Any suggestion?
Worth a shot?
After reading this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9925838
I checked the G-Tab pinout :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI
and tried to ground pin 13 to put the tab in host mode last night... needless to say since I'm typing this on my computer... epic fail. However, I'm curious if anyone else has had any success with this.
I'm not too much of a fan of buying something to destroy... but if I have to disassemble a dock to get the pinout for monitor mode... suck!
Anyone have any advice as to what I jacked up here?
Hi all, I did a search under this forum and do not actually found any info.
Actually, many older Android phone/device do come with USB Host (OTG) function, hardware or software, with hacks or officials,
Mod/Hacks:
MOTO droid, N1, ZTE Blade, etc
Officials support:
Samsung GS2, MOTO Xoom, MOTO Atrix4G, EEETransformer, Many CN crappy Android Tablet.
I tried using a OTG Cable with a USB thumbdrive on LGP9xx but no luck, browsing thru the system I found that there are USBDisk DIRs on / or /mnt/USBDisk, there are no define on vold.fstab at all on LG, not like the MOTO Xoom..
dev_mount usbdisk /mnt/usbdisk auto /devices/platform/tegra-ehci
So my wild guess is it was not turned on kernel level?
As far as I can tell, there is USBHost OTG support on Tegra2, seen post related to that on that, I understand that hardware might not be wired (that's what we gonna check), anyone any info/hints/directions/ideas about this on the LGP9xx?
It would just be great if we can use OTG on LG99x...
thanks.
utp said:
Hi all, I did a search under this forum and do not actually found any info.
Actually, many older Android phone/device do come with USB Host (OTG) function, hardware or software, with hacks or officials,
Mod/Hacks:
MOTO droid, N1, ZTE Blade, etc
Officials support:
Samsung GS2, MOTO Xoom, MOTO Atrix4G, EEETransformer, Many CN crappy Android Tablet.
I tried using a OTG Cable with a USB thumbdrive on LGP9xx but no luck, browsing thru the system I found that there are USBDisk DIRs on / or /mnt/USBDisk, there are no define on vold.fstab at all on LG, not like the MOTO Xoom..
dev_mount usbdisk /mnt/usbdisk auto /devices/platform/tegra-ehci
So my wild guess is it was not turned on kernel level?
As far as I can tell, there is USBHost OTG support on Tegra2, seen post related to that on that, I understand that hardware might not be wired (that's what we gonna check), anyone any info/hints/directions/ideas about this on the LGP9xx?
It would just be great if we can use OTG on LG99x...
thanks.
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It needs to be turned on via menuconfig. I could do a quick compile later, if you want. The downside is, that a enabled USBHost disables the slave mode. So no mass storage (Or you implement something like holding back while booting up etc to enable usb host)
Benee said:
It needs to be turned on via menuconfig. I could do a quick compile later, if you want. The downside is, that a enabled USBHost disables the slave mode. So no mass storage (Or you implement something like holding back while booting up etc to enable usb host)
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Wow, that's a quick and straight to the point reply!!!!!
I think I can live without a slave mode, most of my files are copied to the phone by samba, dropbox or ftp....
just wonder what trick did SGS2 or others uses, I know many of the devices which support OTG has 2 diff USB port, 1 for host and 1 for slave, but I "think" got that working too in 1 port, wonder is it the same as our case here that needs special reboot or so? (SGS2 is not available here yet...so I have never tried it instead of watching in on the youtube VID online...)
Anyway, THANKS! waiting for your releases. thumbs up to all DEVs!!!!!!!!
utp said:
Wow, that's a quick and straight to the point reply!!!!!
I think I can live without a slave mode, most of my files are copied to the phone by samba, dropbox or ftp....
just wonder what trick did SGS2 or others uses, I know many of the devices which support OTG has 2 diff USB port, 1 for host and 1 for slave, but I "think" got that working too in 1 port, wonder is it the same as our case here that needs special reboot or so? (SGS2 is not available here yet...so I have never tried it instead of watching in on the youtube VID online...)
Anyway, THANKS! waiting for your releases. thumbs up to all DEVs!!!!!!!!
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Don't know. One part maybe only with other hardware drivers. The reboot solution would be best for us (but needs some work). So the easy enable via menuconfig would be enough. Anyway I started to working on this, but I don't know if my otg cable isn't working (slave function was disabled but host didn't worked). So I wanted to test it anyway. What do you need? only mass storage?
The compile could take a while (working on fixing cust toolchain build)
I am aiming on USB thumb drive, keyboard and mouse..thx..
Honeycomb 3.1 has USB Host support.
Hopefully someone can pull it out and use it somehow.
Since there's no source it might not be easy.
Or you can just wait for Ice cream Sandwich(Q4 2011), i'm guessing there will be Host support.
Any news on development?
i think the usb port of phone has no more power to use the flashdrive.
So is this a dead project? Or is there any hope left?
Not being picky or challenging to admin, I originally post this thread under development, which is should be more related since I am not asking generally how to "use" USB Host but related to kernel/drivers development....
I think this thread in general would not actually get much development attention at all...
Anyway, nope, no news, I understand hacks/dev is not a piece of cake, thanks for everyone who is working on the topic here!!!!!!!
and since CM distro do not support USB host at all, then I would suggest there may not be enough attention or momentum at all on this...
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i think the usb port of phone has no more power to use the flashdrive.
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I may not agree, I did use a O2Graphite with a USB host cable with a USB jostick, and keyboard+mouse on many CN made crappy Tablets, they just works...
Many USB devices do not drain that much power, especially some Flashdrives...
Hello
So is this thread as good as dead, or is anyone trying to develop this?
as far as seen on the thread, it seems dead.....
hello
the usb memory stick must be formatted in fat32 to work.
Which specfic cable works with it?
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the usb memory stick must be formatted in fat32 to work.
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Nothing works with it, no-one has produced a kernel with OTG support for the P990.
No idea what that post is about.
Hey!
This is my first thread I've ever created, so don't be too harsh on me
As far as I know, the new Android 10 includes a so called "desktop mode". So you can connect a compatible device via USB to an external screen. I think thats pretty cool and samsung already implemented this idea from the S8 upwards with Samsung Dex.
I understand that this needs USB 3.1, but the Motorola G7 Plus only has USB 2.0!
According to the datasheet of the build-in Snapdragon 636 processor, it does support USB 3.1!
So here comes the question: Is it possible to "activate" the required functionality in order to use the desktop mode?
So like changing a few things inside the root files (Like you can activate for example OTG)?
If not, is the hardware build that way, that it just doesn't have the data-lines?
And also, if all of that doesn't work, you surely saw such USB 2.0 to HDMI adapter, which do work on older computers, but do they might work with Android 10 connected to otg?
It would be really cool if something of that might work.
Thanks for your response!
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Hey!
This is my first thread I've ever created, so don't be too harsh on me
As far as I know, the new Android 10 includes a so called "desktop mode". So you can connect a compatible device via USB to an external screen. I think thats pretty cool and samsung already implemented this idea from the S8 upwards with Samsung Dex.
I understand that this needs USB 3.1, but the Motorola G7 Plus only has USB 2.0!
According to the datasheet of the build-in Snapdragon 636 processor, it does support USB 3.1!
So here comes the question: Is it possible to "activate" the required functionality in order to use the desktop mode?
So like changing a few things inside the root files (Like you can activate for example OTG)?
If not, is the hardware build that way, that it just doesn't have the data-lines?
And also, if all of that doesn't work, you surely saw such USB 2.0 to HDMI adapter, which do work on older computers, but do they might work with Android 10 connected to otg?
It would be really cool if something of that might work.
Thanks for your response!
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Unfortunately this device does not support MHL so usb to HDMI dongles do not work. Apparently moto hasn't supported MHL for some time .
digitaljeff said:
Unfortunately this device does not support MHL so usb to HDMI dongles do not work. Apparently moto hasn't supported MHL for some time .
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Thanks for your answer. But I knew that before. I am trying to finde some "workarounds" for this, because I do really like this phone!
Found a solution
So, after a bit of research, I found a solution to add external screens to any OTG compatible Android phone!
There are so called "DisplayLink adapters" and those seem to be compatible with any Android phone that supports OTG.
After installing the official app "DisplayLink Presenter", you should be able to get everything working.
I din't tested it yet, but I hope that this will help someone in the future.
Hello everyone,
Im trying to connect my phone (redmi note 10 pro MFF edition (europe)) with a rj45 cable to avoid wifi signal in my house. In my old samsung its connected directly, but with the xiaomi nothing happen, I dont find the option for ethernet neither.
Did any one try this ? Its just a software problem ( MIUI system) or more hardware. Since im still waiting to unlock my bootloader, Cannot try with a custom room to see if the problem persevere.
Thank you all for the feedback
any feedback ?
I do not have the Redmi Note 10 Pro, but some general questions:
1. Did you disable Wifi and enable Airplane mode?
2. Which adapter did you use?
I disabled the wifi and enable the airplane mode, but nothing change.
I use this adapter https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07CR79XM7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1, work as charm on my old samsung.
The issue is that in miui we dont have any ethernet interface to configurate the dhcp or other stuff.
The issue is that in miui we dont have any ethernet interface to configurate the dhcp or other stuff.
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I thought the issue was that you had no connection. I have no idea about the MiUI. So if the issue is that you get no connection these might be some obstacles:
I found a discussion (for the Redmi Note 8/Pro/8T) on the mi forum (https://c.mi.com/thread-3003395-3-1.html) where a person describes that he thinks the issue might be the chipset. Your ethernet adapter uses the 8152B chipset, but he says that it seems like you would need an adapter with a AX88179 chipset. An ethernet adapter that supports the AX88179 chipset is the https://plugable.com/products/usbc-e1000/.
Another user in the same discussion says that it works for him with the j5create adapter (https://c.mi.com/oc/thread-3003395-1-0.html), although he states that nothing indicates that he is connected. (For some reason I didn't find any information on their website about what chipset their adapter uses, so we don't know for sure if the chipset is the issue.)
But let me re-emphasize that I do not know whether that really is the issue or whether it works with one of these adapter. So be aware of that.
If the ethernet is still not working the issue might be that the kernel wasn't configured for Ethernet over USB. You can find a lot more information about these things here: https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/225643/how-to-make-ethernet-work-on-android-over-otg
If you actually decide to buy a new ethernet adapter, please let me/us know whether it worked.
Thank you Ponyo71 for this intersting feedback,
I think its myabe a doubel raison : first hardware and secone software.
I get the same issue with my mibox 3, she dont regonis all the usb rj45 adapter, only the ugreen worked and another 2$ adapter that I get from discountshop.
the software raison is the only part that we can modify easly, I know that xiaomi reduce alot of option from android to optimise the battery or to not show that the chipset used is very powerfull for some specific utilisation. nad since the chipset used for wifi and BT probably is the same that manage the ethernet.
The xiaomi coast cheap, Its's normal that they bypass some non essentiel used option. More, i think if it's a option htaht only less than 5% of people use, they will supress it from miui to save and manage the battery.
Anyway, Now im back to samsung, no more xiaomi for me
Seems like it really is the chipset, since the ugreen adapter uses the AX88179 chipset. And apparently it works with your MiBox 3. So I guess it really is your ethernet adapter and not the software, although I can’t say for sure.
In this case, we will get at least the ethernet configuration but disabled. in MIUI we dont have any ethernet parameter. The software has a part of the problem
Yeah, seems like MiUI has no configuration options for Ethernet.
Trying to look at pictures on computer (been taking lots of them with this camera)
accessing data is stupid slow and it doesn't make sense
phone unlocked with allow data transfer selected
oneplus charger to usb b port at front of case "equally as slow with usb c at back of motherboard" so I dont think the cable is the bottleneck
I feel like ive tried everything including enabling usb debugging (dont know why but I havent been into tech to the level of this amazing forum since I was young so forgive me if answer is obvious google was useless)
Thanks, D
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Trying to look at pictures on computer (been taking lots of them with this camera)
accessing data is stupid slow and it doesn't make sense
phone unlocked with allow data transfer selected
oneplus charger to usb b port at front of case "equally as slow with usb c at back of motherboard" so I dont think the cable is the bottleneck
I feel like ive tried everything including enabling usb debugging (dont know why but I havent been into tech to the level of this amazing forum since I was young so forgive me if answer is obvious google was useless)
Thanks, D
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to clarify transfer is what to be expected but the loading of thumbnails and data amount or size. once youve loaded all of them its fast.
but it takes a few minutes sometimes.
phones generally have good SSDS so does my computer processors on the phone is good, I cant find the bottleneck, does every device do this???
Windows need to read all your photo, every time you connect the phone. And if you have many photos... it could take some minutes ...
For example my Lenovo Legion y540 with i7 gen9 12mb cache, 16gb ram dual chanel, SSD Samsung 980 Pro 256gb for Windows & Samsung 870 Evo 2 Tb for storage. In my case it takes a few minutes. 2, 3 -5 minuntes. Yes is annoying !
thatoneguydownthestreet said:
Trying to look at pictures on computer (been taking lots of them with this camera)
accessing data is stupid slow and it doesn't make sense
phone unlocked with allow data transfer selected
oneplus charger to usb b port at front of case "equally as slow with usb c at back of motherboard" so I dont think the cable is the bottleneck
I feel like ive tried everything including enabling usb debugging (dont know why but I havent been into tech to the level of this amazing forum since I was young so forgive me if answer is obvious google was useless)
Thanks, D
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If you use the stock Oneplus red cable between the phone and the desktop, it most likely is a 2.0 spec C-type cable (most likely, at least the one that came with my 9 Pro is). Go buy a 3.1 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2) or 3.2 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2x2)
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Windows need to read all your photo, every time you connect the phone. And if you have many photos... it could take some minutes ...
For example my Lenovo Legion y540 with i7 gen9 12mb cache, 16gb ram dual chanel, SSD Samsung 980 Pro 256gb for Windows & Samsung 870 Evo 2 Tb for storage. In my case it takes a few minutes. 2, 3 -5 minuntes. Yes is annoying !
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That's annoying, I thought the point of a thumbnail was a low res picture for quick access. You'd think in 2022 we'd have a better way.
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If you use the stock Oneplus red cable between the phone and the desktop, it most likely is a 2.0 spec C-type cable (most likely, at least the one that came with my 9 Pro is). Go buy a 3.1 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2) or 3.2 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2x2)
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Ok so at 2.0 speeds 480 Mbps, suppose all pictures are 15 mb big and they're 1500 of them I'd take 48 seconds to see them all (high res no less)
(But they're not because you click on them and it takes an additional 7 ish seconds to load the image when opened. )
By this logic using a 3.0 cable (4800mbps) ( if ssd supports the speed) should only take about 5 seconds for all images
And it does not because I've used a c to c pixel cable to connect.
So they're must be a software bottleneck preventing a few things
The thumbnail should be small and in turn it should really take no longer than a couple seconds to load low res images ( unless these thumbnails don't exist on the phone and they have to be generated once the phone is plugged in)
It could also be a Windows issue (anyone have a mac that could try accessing their data through the file browser) just like the search feature in Windows takes ages and it's often so bad it can usually be faster finding the file manually it could be a matter of a broken or outdated protocol to read files off a device.
All I'm saying with all of these advertised speeds 5 minutes for 1000 5mb (yes not 15) and a couple big videos is too damn long. I'll be trying to see if there are any softwares out there that let you read of your device in a similar way itunes ( does itunes still exist??) does with apple devices
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If you use the stock Oneplus red cable between the phone and the desktop, it most likely is a 2.0 spec C-type cable (most likely, at least the one that came with my 9 Pro is). Go buy a 3.1 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2) or 3.2 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2x2)
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I have a usb3 10gbps cable and it still runs at slow speeds. I think that it's only USB 2.0 over type C
Maybe the 10 Pro has slower USB type C then, my 9 Pro is way faster with a 3.1 cable.
are using a usb 3 port on your computer?
i don't have any issues with transfer speeds.
I forgot to mention, my laptop have only usb 3.1 ports & 1 type C for charging.. & Windows 11 Pro x64.
Type C ports are produced in different versions, from 2.0 from 3.2.
Thumbnail are not the problem. I set my View with Details & select the newer first. Same amount of time. Still the green bar charge all hundreds of photos. Like i have a hdd from 20 years...