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High frame rate video recording possible?

Now that the 6p and 5x has high frame rate recording, will this be possible to be ported to the Nexus 6? The hardware should be up for it, shouldn't it?

No, the new Nexus phones have different CPUs and image sensors to be capable of the higher frame rate recording.
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Maxbrand said:
Now that the 6p and 5x has high frame rate recording, will this be possible to be ported to the Nexus 6? The hardware should be up for it, shouldn't it?
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you do realize that it all depends on the hardware of the device, dont you? if it was possible on the n6, id assume that we would be having it already..

simms22 said:
you do realize that it all depends on the hardware of the device, dont you? if it was possible on the n6, id assume that we would be having it already..
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Well, see the sensor should be able to record 1080/60p according to Sony, can't link because of few posts. But it's on the website for imx214.
And the cpu should have no problem either, so I don't see why it isn't possible hardware-wise.

Maxbrand said:
Well, see the sensor should be able to record 1080/60p according to Sony, can't link because of few posts. But it's on the website for imx214.
And the cpu should have no problem either, so I don't see why it isn't possible hardware-wise.
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sensor should, and our cpu can handle it(recording slow-mo too). but our device isnt made to handle it for some reason.

Likely due to the memory and other hardware being unable to support it. The bandwidth requirements for it are likely huge, so you need everything working together, and if guess one item isn't capable of handling the throughput properly.
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Both cpu and camera supports it(check oneplusone or nexus 5 with l camera), but thanks to Google marketing they would not bring this new features to nexus 6, unlikely but possible.

Scythe said:
Both cpu and camera supports it(check oneplusone or nexus 5 with l camera), but thanks to Google marketing they would not bring this new features to nexus 6, unlikely but possible.
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Is the memory fast enough to support it? What about the emmc flash chip? There is more to capturing high-frame rate video than having a capable image sensor and CPU. Yes, they're big parts of it, but not everything.

imnuts said:
Is the memory fast enough to support it? What about the emmc flash chip? There is more to capturing high-frame rate video than having a capable image sensor and CPU. Yes, they're big parts of it, but not everything.
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I'm not going to start a discussion about hardware limitations or how important memory speed etc, the thing is; do nexus 5 has advantages over nexus 6? do one plus one has very high differences than nexus 6? No, this cpu can support 55 Mp camera and better than opo plus, gpu is better, memory same, ois and other stuff and do you really believe that we dont have this because hardware limitations? Google always does this and will continue doing this. After enough some time (6P and 5X get boring) they will give us camera v3, until then we had to dig 4K crap.

Scythe said:
I'm not going to start a discussion about hardware limitations or how important memory speed etc, the thing is; do nexus 5 has advantages over nexus 6? do one plus one has very high differences than nexus 6? No, this cpu can support 55 Mp camera and better than opo plus, gpu is better, memory same, ois and other stuff and do you really believe that we dont have this because hardware limitations? Google always does this and will continue doing this. After enough some time (6P and 5X get boring) they will give us camera v3, until then we had to dig 4K crap.
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Go get a slow memory card, put it in a DSLR camera, and see if you can take pictures as far as the image sensor is capable of. Maybe you don't think it matters, but it does. My GPU on my computer is capable of 4K resolutions, why won't my monitor display 4K? Again, if one piece of hardware doesn't support taking video or images at a given resolution and frame rate, then it doesn't matter what the rest is capable of.
Then again, I'm sure you have the exact hardware design specs and everything is great and its actually capable of 300 fps at 8K...
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imnuts said:
Go get a slow memory card, put it in a DSLR camera, and see if you can take pictures as far as the image sensor is capable of. Maybe you don't think it matters, but it does. My GPU on my computer is capable of 4K resolutions, why won't my monitor display 4K? Again, if one piece of hardware doesn't support taking video or images at a given resolution and frame rate, then it doesn't matter what the rest is capable of.
Then again, I'm sure you have the exact hardware design specs and everything is great and its actually capable of 300 fps at 8K...
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OK it matters of course and let's say we have a slow memory and ram (we can record 4k @30fps though), how come nexus 5 can do it? Btw this feature was around for a time but Google itself did not looked into it, and I'm sure with a little bit hacking they can do it but Google rarely give backward compatibility to their devices except os of course.

Maybe the Nexus 5 has different hardware, just a thought? I mean, it is coming from a different OEM and from a different time period, so that would be the first logical guess. Second guess is that, given encryption is enabled by default and that affects the throughput on R/W actions, that it is preventing us from high FPS recording. I didn't design the phone, so it's all speculative. Unless you know a Google or Motorola engineer, you're likely never going to get the actual answer.

Either way though, bloody annoying.

[email protected] is literally the same bandwidth as [email protected] If the hardware can handle the bandwidth of [email protected], the only limitation left is the speed of the sensor. If Sony's sensor can handle the speed required for 60-120fps, then the only limitation left is arbitrary software. Is there a setting in android to make that available, or is it a closed source driver limitation?

[GUIDE/DISCUSSION] [2K] [4K*] [50+ MBPS] Video recording on the Huawei P9 Lite.

This phone continues to amaze me. After discovering RAW still capture, now this.
Apparently the Huawei P9 Lite can record 2K and 4K* video. And to top that with a big juicy cherry, you can get bitrates as high as 70MBS, hovering around a 50MBPS constant. AT 2K resolution. This is quite impressive for a phone camera, I'm talking even flagship level.
I'm not even joking.
I mean why not?! Camera API2 supports 4K, the camera sensor supports 4K, I'm not entirely sure about the SoC, but the Kirin 650 is proving to be one of the better, albeit very comfortably mid-range, chips Huawei has produced.
Everyone can try this on their devices, completely hassle-free, safe, wihtout any mods. You do have to buy an app from the Play Store. It's about $13 and that's that. You install the app and choose your desired resolution in the app settings.
The app is called. FiLMiC Pro
A few remarks:
Be sure to have Crop source to overlay turned OFF when filming 2K, or 4K.
4K is TERRIBLE! It's really quite unusable. I've only been able to get around 5-8 FPS video at 4K. Choppy, lots of lost frames.
2K is however quite usable. Clean video, no missed frames, no artefacting.
I've only just found out this works, very accidentally and with a a lot of surprise and enthusiasm. I need to do a lot more test shots before I can form a solid opinion over the gains and benefits. For now I'm really very hyped and not sure if the difference I see is just placebo or not.
What's certain is that this means a lot for whoever's doing any serious filming with the Huawei P9 Lite. Higher bitrates, the ability to downscale 2K to 1080 for extra *MAGIC*... I can't wait to go out shooting video in real-case scenarios and do more testing on the stability and reliability of shooting at these resolutions.
I'd love for more of you to try this and shoot some video so we can compare findings and share opinions.
*) Almost
Also turns out this is my 1001st post on XDA. Yay.

Look at this screenshot.
And then try it yourself.

P10 lite can record 4k using snap camera

Is there a way to do it for free?

aburezk said:
P10 lite can record 4k using snap camera
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How? There is only 1080 maximum resolution... as far as I can see.
vozilo said:
Is there a way to do it for free?
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Apparently Open Camera. I'm not convinced though.

zgomot said:
How? There is only 1080 maximum resolution... as far as I can see.
Apparently Open Camera. I'm not convinced though.
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P10 lite support api2 if you enable it you can record 4k using snapcamera

aburezk said:
P10 lite support api2 if you enable it you can record 4k using snapcamera
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We're talking about the P9Lite here, not the P10Lite.
With the P9Lite, even with Camera2API enabled, the maximum resolution is still 1080.

zgomot said:
We're talking about the P9Lite here, not the P10Lite.
With the P9Lite, even with Camera2API enabled, the maximum resolution is still 1080.
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I know it doesn't show 4k but you can force it

aburezk said:
I know it doesn't show 4k but you can force it
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I tried and it still only does 1080p.

stabilzation in 1080 60 fps

Hi, has stabilization for 1080p 60 fps video been added or at least improved in latest updates. Who can confirm this ????

Never come OIS on 60 fps maybe!!! maybe eis possibble.but yet no

Saw this sample on youtube
It shows a well stabilized 60fps FHD video from the p20 pro.
Can anyone (having the latest soft update) test 60 fps FHD video Stabilization to figure out that

ketman5001 said:
Saw this sample on youtube
It shows a well stabilized 60fps FHD video from the p20 pro.
Can anyone (having the latest soft update) test 60 fps FHD video Stabilization to figure out that
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Bare in mind that YouTube stabilizes videos automatically.

dladz said:
Bare in mind that YouTube stabilizes videos automatically.
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In that case we would never notice unstabilized p20 pro videos from youtube posted videos

ketman5001 said:
In that case we would never notice unstabilized p20 pro videos from youtube posted videos
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Well you can see some ghosting but it does a decent job
Google photos can also stabilise videos.
But you just can't beat OIS

dladz said:
Well you can see some ghosting but it does a decent job
Google photos can also stabilise videos.
But you just can't beat OIS
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That s true. Huawei should at least implement EIS gyroscope based

ketman5001 said:
That s true. Huawei should at least implement EIS gyroscope based
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They can add a form of EIS but it'll never be brilliant, it's one of the reasons I wanted a new phone, the OnePlus 5 only had EIS, it's just not good enough.
With the pro though, 800 quid and no OIS throughout? Terrible to be honest.

Anyone has a credible explanation as to why OIS is not present at 1080 60? I can understand it not being available in higher resolutions but really at 1080 60, on a flagship with is marketed as (and by many agreed to be) the best camera phone of the market it's just not acceptable. Found out while waiting for my order to ship and am pretty pi$$ed.
Can we at least hope it will be added with a sw update in the future or it's not possible technically? Is the P20Pro sensor's OIS somehow bound to the 30fps?

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Anyone has a credible explanation as to why OIS is not present at 1080 60? I can understand it not being available in higher resolutions but really at 1080 60, on a flagship with is marketed as (and by many agreed to be) the best camera phone of the market it's just not acceptable. Found out while waiting for my order to ship and am pretty pi$$ed.
Can we at least hope it will be added with a sw update in the future or it's not possible technically? Is the P20Pro sensor's OIS somehow bound to the 30fps?
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P20 pro never had ois on its main camera, the rgb and mono. It only has ois on the telephoto 8mp lens to assist with too much vibration while zooming. The 1080p 30fps only uses eis/ais.

Afiuq said:
P20 pro never had ois on its main camera, the rgb and mono. It only has ois on the telephoto 8mp lens to assist with too much vibration while zooming. The 1080p 30fps only uses eis/ais.
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1080p @30fps has to be OIS??
I've been at the absolute maximum zoom limit whilst recording and the stabilization is amazing, if that's EIS then it's incredible and a lot better than any OIS i've ever seen on any device, I would say at 1080p 30fps it has OIS unless as i said it's got the best implementation of EIS i've ever seen.
Also @ the OP.
OIS by all accounts is available in the cameras on a hardware level but it's not been implemented, i read this a while ago about the p20 pro, whether or not they'll have this as a feature at some point I don't know, it wouldn't be unlike Huawei to add features but not make them active.

dladz said:
1080p @30fps has to be OIS??
I've been at the absolute maximum zoom limit whilst recording and the stabilization is amazing, if that's EIS then it's incredible and a lot better than any OIS i've ever seen on any device, I would say at 1080p 30fps it has OIS unless as i said it's got the best implementation of EIS i've ever seen.
Also @ the OP.
OIS by all accounts is available in the cameras on a hardware level but it's not been implemented, i read this a while ago about the p20 pro, whether or not they'll have this as a feature at some point I don't know, it wouldn't be unlike Huawei to add features but not make them active.
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I read somewhere that the rgb and mono hardware moving is for autofocus not ois. It's ais (ai stabilizer) that making the recording good at stabilizing.
Oh not to mention xperia's steady shot is EIS and not OIS and it's pretty good.

So, if it's all digital, does it make even more sense to expect it being available in the future on resolutions greater than 1080 30? I mean at least 1080 60 should be standard in 2018 flagships!

I bought a gimbal for $90... Im hoping this would do the trick for 4k stabilization...

gd6noob said:
I bought a gimbal for $90... Im hoping this would do the trick for 4k stabilization...
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My thoughts exactly. I am one click away form ordering the Zhiyun Smooth Q. Then again I know the AIS on the P20 Pro works superbly so I can maybe limit my videos to 1080 30? Decisions decisions...

mclisme said:
My thoughts exactly. I am one click away form ordering the Zhiyun Smooth Q. Then again I know the AIS on the P20 Pro works superbly so I can maybe limit my videos to 1080 30? Decisions decisions...
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Thats the one I got.. It seems to be pretty good... I havent done any intense testing just around the house for now.. works well...

dladz said:
1080p @30fps has to be OIS??
I've been at the absolute maximum zoom limit whilst recording and the stabilization is amazing, if that's EIS then it's incredible and a lot better than any OIS i've ever seen on any device, I would say at 1080p 30fps it has OIS unless as i said it's got the best implementation of EIS i've ever seen.
Also @ the OP.
OIS by all accounts is available in the cameras on a hardware level but it's not been implemented, i read this a while ago about the p20 pro, whether or not they'll have this as a feature at some point I don't know, it wouldn't be unlike Huawei to add features but not make them active.
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Yes it's AIS. And Sony uses the same excellent stabilisation. Better than OIS hands down. I had Sony phone before. Just a shame that Huawei didn't implement it at 4k and at 60fps.

Afiuq said:
I read somewhere that the rgb and mono hardware moving is for autofocus not ois. It's ais (ai stabilizer) that making the recording good at stabilizing.
Oh not to mention xperia's steady shot is EIS and not OIS and it's pretty good.
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Yea it's absolutely amazing. Never seen anything like it..

yeah EIS is good.. but it crops the image too much. I prefer OIS

So sad you’ll had to buy an stabilizer device.... having the most powerfull mobile in photos of 2018.... I have my iPhone 7 Plus with FHD/60fps with stabilization in fact.... better videos with a mobile of 2016...

Question 8k 24

why did samsung even bother putting in 8k 24 if theres no motion blurring?
It looks choppy as hell and nowhere near cinematic

It's a marketing check-box. You need at least a 33MP+ sensor to do 8k. It's simply something they can say they can do that most of their competition can't.

dscline said:
It's a marketing check-box. You need at least a 33MP+ sensor to do 8k. It's simply something they can say they can do that most of their competition can't.
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sorry man but you're wrong... it's trully 8K (64 and 108 Mpx lens)

8K is somewhat of a gimmick anyway. From the average distance an average person usually is from a screen they can't tell the difference between 4K and 8K. We live in a time where the resolution really can't get much better because the human eye generally doesn't distinguish any better detail unless you've got hawk vision. So, it's probably OK to just use 4K and get the much higher frame rates. But, even for 8K 24fps I'd imagine you can post process the video to add as much motion blur as you need in order to smooth it out.
Here's a video that explains why anything above 4K is just a marketing gimmick:

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sorry man but you're wrong... it's trully 8K (64 and 108 Mpx lens)
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Wrong about what? I never said it wasn't 8k, and of course it's a 108MP sensor. That's the whole point. They have a 108MP sensor, so that enables them tout a marketing point that other phones with <33MP sensors can't possibly compete on.

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Wrong about what? I never said it wasn't 8k, and of course it's a 108MP sensor. That's the whole point. They have a 108MP sensor, so that enables them tout a marketing point that other phones with <33MP sensors can't possibly compete on.
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true but the cpu must support 8k too that's why the other don't use it, it's not marketing because if you what it on 8K screen, you can see the differences against 4K

I've watched it on a 75" 8K Q900R and it is discernably sharper (just), however the low framerate makes it only really suitable for scenes without too much fast action. Great perhaps for cityscapes with lots of edge detail or large landscape shots.

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I've watched it on a 75" 8K Q900R and it is discernably sharper (just), however the low framerate makes it only really suitable for scenes without too much fast action. Great perhaps for cityscapes with lots of edge detail or large landscape shots.
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yes, and you can capture photos directly from the videos at 33Mpx, it the best way to use the 8k footage without tripod

Question Super Slow Motion Video

I'm opening this thread since I don't see it there.
Why do I get the impression that the 960 FPS Slow Motion that the Camera does is actually an interpolated version of a 240 FPS version?
Today I was curious to see how good it was, I put the 960 FPS mode and I said: I will finally be able to see every little detail of my experiments and social life.
I was very disappointed to see that after the video had been processed I would find myself with an old acquaintance of interpolation algorithms such as RIFE, CAIN or DAIN... The distortions. These flaws are common when interpolating videos as the AI is trying to guess where the next pixel will go in the next frame, as a consequence sometimes a teleportation effect is generated and that's what I realized today.
Honestly, that has left me disappointed because now I know that in the 960 FPS version, 3 out of 4 frames are not real.
It would be stupid to ask but the camera and processor specs support 960 FPS video. Why didn't Motorola actually implement it? Instead it is using the NPU to Interpolate

fulltronservice said:
I'm opening this thread since I don't see it there.
Why do I get the impression that the 960 FPS Slow Motion that the Camera does is actually an interpolated version of a 240 FPS version?
Today I was curious to see how good it was, I put the 960 FPS mode and I said: I will finally be able to see every little detail of my experiments and social life.
I was very disappointed to see that after the video had been processed I would find myself with an old acquaintance of interpolation algorithms such as RIFE, CAIN or DAIN... The distortions. These flaws are common when interpolating videos as the AI is trying to guess where the next pixel will go in the next frame, as a consequence sometimes a teleportation effect is generated and that's what I realized today.
Honestly, that has left me disappointed because now I know that in the 960 FPS version, 3 out of 4 frames are not real.
It would be stupid to ask but the camera and processor specs support 960 FPS video. Why didn't Motorola actually implement it? Instead it is using the NPU to Interpolate
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They couldn't be bothered. Much about this device is made just to seem good on the surface but actually using it is a different story. I, for example, doubt that the main camera is even 108MP. Taking photos in 108MP does not offer any more detail than 12MP. They honestly should have just gone for an OIS 16MP or something but no, they went backwards from last generation and slapped in this garbage sensor, which is a shame since the telephoto and wide angle are actually great. I also noticed the messed up "960fps video" and I just never use it.

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They couldn't be bothered. Much about this device is made just to seem good on the surface but actually using it is a different story. I, for example, doubt that the main camera is even 108MP. Taking photos in 108MP does not offer any more detail than 12MP. They honestly should have just gone for an OIS 16MP or something but no, they went backwards from last generation and slapped in this garbage sensor, which is a shame since the telephoto and wide angle are actually great. I also noticed the messed up "960fps video" and I just never use it.
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Actually in the rest of the sections I am satisfied for the price of the phone but in the quality of the main camera I was disappointed. I'm still using GCam and I can't find a way to make the photo display with its details.

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Actually in the rest of the sections I am satisfied for the price of the phone but in the quality of the main camera I was disappointed. I'm still using GCam and I can't find a way to make the photo display with its details.
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What do you mean by "display with it's detail"? The phone does take soft pictures with the main camera, I know. Shooting in RAW and opening the images in Light Room does show that there is a lot of detail that gets crushed due to the aggressive denoise algorithm that GCam uses, and the main camera app sharpens the image so much that it ends up looking like an oil painting.

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What do you mean by "display with it's detail"? The phone does take soft pictures with the main camera, I know. Shooting in RAW and opening the images in Light Room does show that there is a lot of detail that gets crushed due to the aggressive denoise algorithm that GCam uses, and the main camera app sharpens the image so much that it ends up looking like an oil painting.
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With details I was referring to the information that the camera captures when you zoom in and start to see noise. I find no way to prevent the noise algorithm from creating corrections far from reality. When you take a picture, the photo is perfect until you zoom to 4x. You realize that you start to see noise and lose detail. And Motorola in the camera content update it released earlier this week hasn't fixed anything.