There are some reviews that state that the pictures suffer from quite some corner and edge softness. But others don't mention it.
I've seen some examples and it's very visible. But I also saw some great pictures with no corner and edge softness.
Maybe it is only visible in wide aspect ratio pictures?
Anyway, this is important for me in deciding if I will buy this phone.
Do any of you experience this? Can you post sample pictures in both normal and wide aspect ratio?
Anyone?
It is also talked about at the Lenovo forum with some very clear pictures showing the problem:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-G...-around-the-edge-examples-inside/td-p/4135663
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This is my first post here, so first of all, hello everyone and greetings from Finland!
I bought the IS about two weeks ago. Today I took my first outdoor pics and noticed a strange phenomenon. If I focus on a distant object (typical for outdoor shots), the extreme right-hand side of the photo is quite mushy and blurred. The affected area is only about 200 pixels wide (starting from the edge) and goes all the way from top to bottom. Everything else, including the left side, is tack sharp (well, as sharp as it can be with this camera anyway). This happens with every photo, if the focusing distance is relatively long. Close-range shots (indoor pics, for example) are just fine, also the right-hand sides of the photos turn out sharp. This is very strange.
I'm a very experienced photographer, so it's not my technique. Something is wrong with the optics alignment, sensor or it could be a software issue. With optical problems the close-range shots are usually more problematic because of short depth-of-field, which makes the alignment errors much more visible.
Anyone else having similar experiences? Take an outdoor shot using a focusing distance of, let's say, 20-50 meters (or yards) and see if the right side of the image is as sharp as the left side. Make sure there's something with lots of detail near the edges of the image. I would be much less worried, if both sides of the photos were softish. After all, that would be quite typical for less-than-stellar optics found in camera phones. It's the asymmetry that bothers me.
This is actually my only gripe with this phone. Apart from this unpleasant surprise I really like the IS.
Pete
P.S. No fingerprints on the lens, it's clean!
There's an ongoing thread about the camera quality issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021940
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There's an ongoing thread about the camera quality issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021940
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Thanks for the tip!
I did a bit more controlled experimenting and sadly it seems that also close-distance shots suffer from the same right-hand side blurriness. If I take a photo of a completely flat surface, focusing on the center part of the viewing area, the extreme right-hand side of the photo is soft. There's nothing wrong with the left-hand side. Also, the affected area is almost 400 pixels wide (wide angle setting, no zooming). I also rotated the phone 180 degrees and took comparison shots. And...the left-hand side was blurry.
Maybe I have a bad sample. I can't exchange it for a new one, so I guess I have to live with it or have the local HTC service take a look at it. I'm not too keen on doing that.
Pete
Nothing like this in mine. Photos are good. No blur at the right.
cooljais said:
Nothing like this in mine. Photos are good. No blur at the right.
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Thanks for your comment, good to know your camera is working fine!
I'm suspecting there's dirt inside the lens assembly or on the sensor. My IS is now being serviced at the local HTC service center. I'll let you know how this turns out.
Guess caused by auto focusing
I have my phone taking pictures at the highest resolution, but if the object or person I'm shooting is more than a few feet away, the photo is pixelated when blown up to fill my screen. This is especially problematic when I'm taking pictures with the flash in a darker room.
Is there a setting on my camera that will ensure my pictures don't end up pixelated. My friend has a Canon camera that's at least six years old, and that old school gadget can take photos which can be blown up many times its size and it still doesn't look pixelated.
Any advice?
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I have my phone taking pictures at the highest resolution, but if the object or person I'm shooting is more than a few feet away, the photo is pixelated when blown up to fill my screen. This is especially problematic when I'm taking pictures with the flash in a darker room.
Is there a setting on my camera that will ensure my pictures don't end up pixelated. My friend has a Canon camera that's at least six years old, and that old school gadget can take photos which can be blown up many times its size and it still doesn't look pixelated.
Any advice?
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Every phone camera has the same problem, besides that Motorola software for image processing and the lack of OIS could be a game changer in some situations.
I actually have mad pretty decent pics with this camera, but don't expect much on low light conditions.
Guess I'm not clear on why this happens, even in medium light. When I'm trying to take a group shot of my friends, who may be ten to fifteen feet away, the pictures come out pixelated. If I'm at full resolution, why wouldn't it be photo quality?
As much as I love my phone, I have spotted a few things that made me question the phone or Huawei.
First of all, I was playing with the three rear cameras and noticed that when I hovered my finger above the topmost camera (I think it's the 40mp one) or covered it, my finger didn't show up. Is that supposed to happen?
Secondly, when I take a picture in complete dark, there is always some noise present.
Thirdly, the screen has a gradient hue, darker on the left side as compared to the right. I have attached an image in this post. Please check for the gradient as I seem to see it on my screen. This is clearly obvious in a complete dark room.
Please check your phone and let me know if you're facing the same thing. Thank you.
The top one is used when zooming (5x) i think.
But funny enough the live view seems to not always use the same lens as the lens the photo is taken with.
If you zoom 5x and cover the top lens (or even when its dark ?) the live view switches to the main lens.
Sometime you can catch a glimp of your finger just before the switch happens.
And then when you take the zoomed in shot with the top lens covered you get a black picture, although the liveview shows an image.
I tested this in a fairly dim living room, so your mileage may vary if you test this in a bright office or outside in the sun.
For your noisy dark pictures. If you take a picture in a completely dark room (covered your screen ?) then the ISO is probably cranked up to the moon. So your going to see noise.
Maybe try in pro mode with a sane iso and exposure time (to avoid noise and hot pixels) and see how much noise you get then.
Yes, it seems so that when I zoom while covering the lens, the picture comes as the lens is covered. Thank you for clarifying that to me.
Can you please, if you don't mind, clarify the gradient hue of the screen? Or is it just mine? Thank you.
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The top one is used when zooming (5x) i think.
But funny enough the live view seems to not always use the same lens as the lens the photo is taken with.
If you zoom 5x and cover the top lens (or even when its dark ?) the live view switches to the main lens.
Sometime you can catch a glimp of your finger just before the switch happens.
And then when you take the zoomed in shot with the top lens covered you get a black picture, although the liveview shows an image.
I tested this in a fairly dim living room, so your mileage may vary if you test this in a bright office or outside in the sun.
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Yes, it seems so that when I zoom while covering the lens, the picture comes as the lens is covered. Thank you for clarifying that to me.
Can you please, if you don't mind, clarify the gradient hue of the screen? Or is it just mine? Thank you.
Others have answered your finger question. Not really sure what that point was about anyway?
Re: noise. What were you expecting? This isn't a full frame DSLR shooting raw. This is still a tiny sensor (just less tiny) with a highly compromised lens (miniaturisation comes at a cost). However, it is in my view head and shoulders above any other smartphone for delivering photos in poor / mixed light and at night when hand held - CM1 & 808 still beat it easily when on a tripod or similar.
Re: the screen. There will always be some gradient. If it's bad, I suggest you talk to Huawei or your provider / retailer's support and get a replacement. But since you say you only see it in a completely dark room, I can't imagine this is worthy of replacement.
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Yes, it seems so that when I zoom while covering the lens, the picture comes as the lens is covered. Thank you for clarifying that to me.
Can you please, if you don't mind, clarify the gradient hue of the screen? Or is it just mine? Thank you.
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It's my first oled phone so i don't have any reference on how good oled is supposed to look in very dark rooms.
If you can only see it on dim images in a dark room then your probaly noticing the "mura effect".
I cannot tell if your display is particulary bad or not. But i to can detect it looking at a uniform very dark gray backround in a very dark room. Under minimal light conditions i see no problems.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2107228
Edit : i checked your blue image , but my eyes cannot really spot any meaningfull hue differences even in a darkened room.
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The top one is used when zooming (5x) i think.
But funny enough the live view seems to not always use the same lens as the lens the photo is taken with.
If you zoom 5x and cover the top lens (or even when its dark ?) the live view switches to the main lens.
Sometime you can catch a glimp of your finger just before the switch happens.
And then when you take the zoomed in shot with the top lens covered you get a black picture, although the liveview shows an image.
I tested this in a fairly dim living room, so your mileage may vary if you test this in a bright office or outside in the sun.
For your noisy dark pictures. If you take a picture in a completely dark room (covered your screen ?) then the ISO is probably cranked up to the moon. So your going to see noise.
Maybe try in pro mode with a sane iso and exposure time (to avoid noise and hot pixels) and see how much noise you get then.
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The top lens is the tele lens. It only has 3x zoom. The 5x zoom is a hybrid zoom where it uses both lenses.
Has Anyone else noticed that the front camera is capable of taking much wider picture? ?? if you switch mode from SELFIE to Wide Selfie, you'll notice that the camera is capable of taking much wider angle picture. wonder why sammy didn't use this? regular SELFIE seems to crop significant amount of picture..
The front facing camera is usually used for taking photos of your face, this is why, by default it is set to normal mode, not wide.
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Has Anyone else noticed that the front camera is capable of taking much wider picture? ?? if you switch mode from SELFIE to Wide Selfie, you'll notice that the camera is capable of taking much wider angle picture. wonder why sammy didn't use this? regular SELFIE seems to crop significant amount of picture..
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Yeah that's been advertised since about two notes ago.
But you have to pan back and forth in wide selfie. Like a panorama.
i understand you have to pan it back and forth, but even not panning it's still covers wider angle than just regular "selfie". it would be nice to be able to capture wider on front camera. which is what Pixel 3 is doing.
insang-droid said:
i understand you have to pan it back and forth, but even not panning it's still covers wider angle than just regular "selfie". it would be nice to be able to capture wider on front camera. which is what Pixel 3 is doing.
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I compared and saw no difference in coverage area if I didnt pan.
Hi,
I noticed that Pixel 4 XL doesnt have equal sharpness in the frontcam pictures. If subject aka me are in the centre of frame (phone in portrait orientation), the photo comes halfway blurred. I mean my beard looks sharp, but in eyes level and above everything is a blurry mess. The hair looks so bad compared to my beard.. If I out stretch my arm, then its not so visible but anything from 30-50 cm shooting distances and you can definetely see that the picture looks weird because of that hair/eye level blurriness. I can fix the blurry eyes by re centering myself to lower of the frame. Its insane but it works always.
I want to know if this is normal software processing (distortion correction) or do I have a bad lens/camera sensor? And please dont remind me that its a fixed focus lens I already know that and i have described the problem which isnt purely focus issue.
E; I attached screenshot from one of my photos, where you can see the problem. (look at hair vs. eyebrown focus and scene wasnt windy!) I wasnt centered in viewfinder, little bit lower than centre of the frame trying to show that non equal sharpness (without sharing myself to whole internet)
Sadly, Pixel 4 FFC doesn't have autofocus. It is fixed focus, to get it in focus you have to move the camera at arms lenght (focus point is around 55cm)
It is a pity but that is how it is. Pixel 3 narrow FFC had autofocus and I got the best selfies that way. Pixel 3 wide FFC was fixed focus.
"The Pixel 4 comes with a fixed-focus lens that offers a wide depth of field but has a slightly limited focus range. The latter means that in selfie shots captured at close distance (30 cm), images are slightly soft. However, sharpness is good at a typical arm’s-length shooting distance of 55cm and remains good at selfie-stick shooting distance (120cm), where many other devices struggle."
https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-4-front-camera-review/
Google reasoning is:
P4 FFC is wide, so you want to have the back frame and other people focused (not possible with autofocus)
Maybe no space to add a autofocus FFC because of soli?
Because Google and FFC with autofocus will come back with the P5
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This really doesn't answer your question of whether your phone has a problem or not... but the image sensor is a flat object, while the lens is a hemisphere. The different parts of the hemisphere are different lengths from the image sensor; IE the center is a different length than any outer edge. The P4 in particular has aggressive perspective correction to cover up this fact and make things (usually) look flat when they should. But it can't correct the different focal lengths that change from center to outer edge. Maybe this is what you're seeing. I don't know a lot about cameras... I could be completely wrong.
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This really doesn't answer your question of whether your phone has a problem or not... but the image sensor is a flat object, while the lens is a hemisphere. The different parts of the hemisphere are different lengths from the image sensor; IE the center is a different length than any outer edge. The P4 in particular has aggressive perspective correction to cover up this fact and make things (usually) look flat when they should. But it can't correct the different focal lengths that change from center to outer edge. Maybe this is what you're seeing. I don't know a lot about cameras... I could be completely wrong.
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Otherwise good opinion, but how every else major flagship doesnt suffer this? iPhone, Oneplus for example (have had both). Can someone test this? For testing, you need to take it outdoors and in bright conditions and take a punch of selfies from center and litle lower of frame and see how it affects to focus. (usually if you have beard its sharper than your eyebrowns and it makes the photo horrible looking when cropped in) I showed to my friend examples who doesnt know anything about smartphone cameras and he was sure that this much be broken, cause it was so baad looking and the in the other it was so good, as expected. (same distance, differennt in frame positioning)