Note 9 has a lot of good things going for it . . . but a flagship?
Oreo instead of Pie?
No 5G?
Broadcom‘s new super accurate dual frequency GPS chip not part of the package? (Chip introduced almost a year ago and Xaomi’s already released the M8 with this chip)
Remember 2016? The Samsung A9 had a safe 5,000 mAh battery. Why can’t we put this in this note?
Feel free to add to this list of disappointments. Perhaps some of them will be fixed with the S 10?
Would a 5000mah battery in this years Note be a 'safe' marketing move? As a tech enthusiast I'd love to see it, however, I understand why they have played it safe, they need a couple of generations of solid performers without any hiccups before ramping back up. Imagine poor sales vs Note 7 repeat, they can't afford a repeat - I believe the Note would be a doomed product if it happened again.
The latest GPS chip: Samsung recently explained that a highly competitive high end market coupled with a difficulty in adding compelling new features led to poor sales of the S9 group. It's swings and roundabouts, on one hand you could throw everything into your latest and greatest devices, but next year?
Note 9 makes a safe and just about interesting enough entry, it gives Samsung breathing room for next years model. Even the presentation had mention of how difficult it is to come up with new features.
Note 10 - 4500/5000mah battery, 5G, New GPS chip + 1 or 2 more features, makes more sense for a '10' iteration than the '9'.
Technically the Note 8 can support the 1GB speeds. The Note 9 will as well.
https://phandroid.com/2017/09/08/att-gigabit-lte-galaxy-note-8/
5G is not a real tech yet, it's actually called 5G evolution which is a fast LTE which the Note supports.
https://www.computerworld.com/artic...ess/why-atts-5g-evolution-isnt-really-5g.html
nizmoz said:
Technically the Note 8 can support the 1GB speeds. The Note 9 will as well.
https://phandroid.com/2017/09/08/att-gigabit-lte-galaxy-note-8/
5G is not a real tech yet, it's actually called 5G evolution which is a fast LTE which the Note supports.
https://www.computerworld.com/artic...ess/why-atts-5g-evolution-isnt-really-5g.html
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Personally I think the real challenge that Samsung Has is in the processor. Snapdragaon and Exynos have both seen decent improvments over the years but they don't hold a candle to what Apple has done with theirs. Not sure if they will ever win that battle, but I hope they can get closer.
I also believe that we are all going to be blown away by the S10 when it comes out. Samsung is putting ALL of the new HOT stuff they have been working on - INscreen Fingerprint scanner to name one - and I bet there will be bunch more!
I am getting the note 9, I just can't help myself - I am an addict when it comes to these devices - but I am really excited to see what is giong to happen when the S10 comes out.
You're getting too edgy with this. Pie was not relased during the development and 5g is still far away. Talking about the gps thing even my s7edge gets 4meter accuracy while driving what else do u need? An inch of accuracy!
The only things I wanted, and still hope come true . 1 )flat glass on the screen again, I mean it's a note right, easier to write on. 2) Alcantara case 3) dbrand grip case.
5g is way off, probably 2 generations before wide adoption. GPS has been great since Note 4 so not really seeing the need for that either.
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Would a 5000mah battery in this years Note be a 'safe' marketing move? As a tech enthusiast I'd love to see it, however, I understand why they have played it safe, they need a couple of generations of solid performers without any hiccups before ramping back up. Imagine poor sales vs Note 7 repeat, they can't afford a repeat - I believe the Note would be a doomed product if it happened again.
The latest GPS chip: Samsung recently explained that a highly competitive high end market coupled with a difficulty in adding compelling new features led to poor sales of the S9 group. It's swings and roundabouts, on one hand you could throw everything into your latest and greatest devices, but next year?
Note 9 makes a safe and just about interesting enough entry, it gives Samsung breathing room for next years model. Even the presentation had mention of how difficult it is to come up with new features.
Note 10 - 4500/5000mah battery, 5G, New GPS chip + 1 or 2 more features, makes more sense for a '10' iteration than the '9'.
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Very well said.
onepiece said:
Note 9 has a lot of good things going for it . . . but a flagship?
Oreo instead of Pie?
No 5G?
Broadcom‘s new super accurate dual frequency GPS chip not part of the package? (Chip introduced almost a year ago and Xaomi’s already released the M8 with this chip)
Remember 2016? The Samsung A9 had a safe 5,000 mAh battery. Why can’t we put this in this note?
Feel free to add to this list of disappointments. Perhaps some of them will be fixed with the S 10?
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Name one note that released with that years version of android.
Complaining about not being on the latest version of android (that was just released) while ignoring all the added samsung functionality is kind of a short sighted comparison..
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Would a 5000mah battery in this years Note be a 'safe' marketing move? As a tech enthusiast I'd love to see it, however, I understand why they have played it safe, they need a couple of generations of solid performers without any hiccups before ramping back up. Imagine poor sales vs Note 7 repeat, they can't afford a repeat - I believe the Note would be a doomed product if it happened again.
The latest GPS chip: Samsung recently explained that a highly competitive high end market coupled with a difficulty in adding compelling new features led to poor sales of the S9 group. It's swings and roundabouts, on one hand you could throw everything into your latest and greatest devices, but next year?
Note 9 makes a safe and just about interesting enough entry, it gives Samsung breathing room for next years model. Even the presentation had mention of how difficult it is to come up with new features.
Note 10 - 4500/5000mah battery, 5G, New GPS chip + 1 or 2 more features, makes more sense for a '10' iteration than the '9'.
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Alltaken123,
I would definitely hire you as a customer service rep for Samsung! You have a plausible explanation for the concerns mentioned and your words are very well spoken. Thank you.
Couple of points to consider…
On the GPS chip: anybody who has walked the streets of Tokyo using any current smartphone GPS knows the frustration when you walk around the block three times because reflected GPS signals keep causing the blue dot to jump 100’s of meters when you think you are at your destination. It would be great to have the accuracy and reflected signal rejection Broadcom’s new chip promises.
On the “in glass fingerprint recognition“ that feature is dubious when a phone has facial recognition & a great back side fingerprint scanner... but it’s something new to hype.
And now my favorite… Larger batteries and the direction the industry has moved towards. Your explanation of Samsung being extremely cautious makes perfect sense and is a likely driver for their decision. That’s said, Samsung’s A9 realeased in 2016 with a 5,000 mah battery had no issues. Because it had a mid tier CPU it truly delivered 2 days of heavy use.
I probably should put this one in a separate thread but here’s the short version of what’s going on with battery capacities: phone makers match their battery mah capacity to approximately one day’s worth of power consumption. Why? Because when you charge your phone every day you’ll end up wearing the battery out within two years. In the “old days with replaceable batteries“ you could extend the life of your phone a few years by changing the battery. Now with sealed-in batteries you are virtually compelled to buy a new $800 electronic monitoring bracelet every two years. Pretty slick from a business perspective. Before someone jumps in and tells me you can’t have a water resistant phone with a removable battery, let me share my experience with phones in the Japanese domestic market. Japanese have had replaceable batteries in many of their water resistant cell phones since the 1990s. All it takes is a good o-ring and a decent latch. Today, however, Japan is “mostly” onboard with the lucrative (albeit wasteful) sealed-in battery scheme.
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The only things I wanted, and still hope come true . 1 )flat glass on the screen again, I mean it's a note right, easier to write on. 2) Alcantara case 3) dbrand grip case.
5g is way off, probably 2 generations before wide adoption. GPS has been great since Note 4 so not really seeing the need for that either.
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5g evolution is already in many cities like dfw. And the note 8 supports it. Full 5g won’t be here anytime in the next couple of years.
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nuclearrage said:
The only things I wanted, and still hope come true . 1 )flat glass on the screen again, I mean it's a note right, easier to write on. 2) Alcantara case 3) dbrand grip case.
5g is way off, probably 2 generations before wide adoption. GPS has been great since Note 4 so not really seeing the need for that either.
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+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.
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+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.
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Another +1 for USEABLE flat glass....and for recognizing the curve as an artsy gimmick. Narrow 2mm bezels are fine. After all the flesh of one’s hand covers anywhere from 2 to 4 mm of bezel/screen anyway.
Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen. Function over form is what I always go for.
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Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen. Function over form is what I always go for.
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Then why do you like the curved glass? It's absolutely not function over form...
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+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.
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I feel exactly the opposite. The curve makes edge swipe gestures far more useful, and I have come to rely on them significantly.
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Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen.
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Not alone! To be honest I just like the way the curved glass looks... I always found it gave the phone a more premium feel. Given the choice I would still take curved over flat edges, even though I don't even use the Edge features. Purely an aesthetic preference for me, but others of course may have different tastes and requirements.
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Guess I'm the only person that actually likes the curved screen. Function over form is what I always go for.
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Sometimes the screen protector situation bothers me but Im all for curved glass. Looks sexy
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Then why do you like the curved glass? It's absolutely not function over form...
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I like the curved glass screen because of edge display and the edge features. Yes it can be a but annoying with accidental touches but the trade off is worth it for me.
As far as the screen protector issue, that has nothing to do with Samsung. All those screen protector makers are being cheap and stupid. They make full coverage ones with only adhesive on the sides, and they also make case friendly ones with full adhesive. Why the heck can they not make a full coverage one with full adhesive?! Seems very stupid to me that they are having such a hard time making a dang protector that handles both things.
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+1 for the flat glass. I'm not buying any phone with the curved screen gimmick.
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onepiece said:
Another +1 for USEABLE flat glass....and for recognizing the curve as an artsy gimmick. Narrow 2mm bezels are fine. After all the flesh of one’s hand covers anywhere from 2 to 4 mm of bezel/screen anyway.
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It's only a gimmick if you don't find a use for it. I can think of a lot of people that classifies the SPen as a gimmick. I use the heck out of mine, at least I thought I did until I met a guy that has to replace the tip of his SPen every month! He hooked me up with 3 bags of tips a few months ago after I got my Note 8. I haven't even replaced the tip yet for my original one.
I come to rely Alot on the apps edge since I started using the s7 edge. It helps me switch apps much faster than using the recent button. Well we can have apps That do the same thing but the curve makes it very smooth and natural to use
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Note 9 has a lot of good things going for it . . . but a flagship?
Oreo instead of Pie?
No 5G?
Broadcom‘s new super accurate dual frequency GPS chip not part of the package? (Chip introduced almost a year ago and Xaomi’s already released the M8 with this chip)
Remember 2016? The Samsung A9 had a safe 5,000 mAh battery. Why can’t we put this in this note?
Feel free to add to this list of disappointments. Perhaps some of them will be fixed with the S 10?
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Excited for the Note 9. Pre-ordered the 512gb already.
What does Android P have that Samsung's Oreo does not have more of?
What's the point of hurriedly introducing 5G when the tech is not yet mature. That would make the Note 9 a beta phone which I'm glad it's not.
I agree with the missing GPS chip.
I also agree with a 5kmAh battery
Overall I'm very happy with the Note 9 and consider it a big upgrade over the Note 8.
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This thread probably infuriate some (Sam fans) and be informative for others. Help people perhaps decide whether to buy or not.
I'm sick of touchwiz it lags and ugly. Probably worse the. Lg's ui. A phone which spec wise packs so much can't handle it's own ui.:silly:
How many people feel that's true?
Samsung are losing market share due to them not listening to their customers. Samsung need to switch back on and start reacting to consumer demands. Plastic is not appealing anymore. I hear the argument "need plastic back for removal battery" well people you don't need it to be ugly. More then one way to remove battery.
Get rid of the ugly design with plastic back, take a leaf out Htcs book.
Get rid of the stupid gimmicky software which perhaps a vey small percentage of people use.
I'm going for nexus 6 and not keeping my note 4 because it's slow and hate the ui.
Not true. I don't have any lags, work smoothly. Camera is amazing i really enjoy. If you don't like touchwiz you can always use other app like Nova. You buy note 4 or you opinion is only bubbles..?
riz157 said:
This thread probably infuriate some (Sam fans) and be informative for others. Help people perhaps decide whether to buy or not.
I'm sick of touchwiz it lags and ugly. Probably worse the. Lg's ui. A phone which spec wise packs so much can't handle it's own ui.:silly:
How many people feel that's true?
Samsung are losing market share due to them not listening to their customers. Samsung need to switch back on and start reacting to consumer demands. Plastic is not appealing anymore. I hear the argument "need plastic back for removal battery" well people you don't need it to be ugly. More then one way to remove battery.
Get rid of the ugly design with plastic back, take a leaf out Htcs book.
Get rid of the stupid gimmicky software which perhaps a vey small percentage of people use.
I'm going for nexus 6 and not keeping my note 4 because it's slow and hate the ui.
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why do u think this will help other people decide? just 'cause a ferrari came with a defective engine doesnt mean everyone should stop buying them..if u hate touchwiz so much then why'd u end up purchasing the note 4? samsung are losing costumers as well as apple and htc..costumers come and go..and the note 4 isnt plastic..it has a metal body
I'm not sure that the Note serie is responsible of Samsung loosing consumers. In fact, a recent poll on Phonearena shows that more than 81% of people think that the Note 4 is the best large-screen on the market right now.
Maybe the GS5 was disappointing and an update hard to justify but IMO, that's not why Samsung looses consumers.
There is more competition now and newee phones simply aren't big upgrade anymore (except iPhone 6/6+ for last-gen iPhone owners).
With a lot of manufacturers that sell high-end phones for 400$, It's harder to sell with a price tag of more than 650$.
As I remember, only low-cost company gain market shares recently.
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why do u think this will help other people decide? just 'cause a ferrari came with a defective engine doesnt mean everyone should stop buying them..if u hate touchwiz so much then why'd u end up purchasing the note 4? samsung are losing costumers as well as apple and htc..costumers come and go..and the note 4 isnt plastic..it has a metal body
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Seriously dude look at iPhone 6 plus it's a massive hit. It's outselling every other phone in the market and I'm not an apple fan but android.
Back in the day there was only one phablet which was the note but now you have more choice which is why people are not buying the note 4.
Spec wise samsung should be doing much better as far as performance is concerned but in really use the iPhone is better. Take the finger print sensor, on the iPhone it works seamlessly every time as it should On the note 4 well it's hit and miss.
Samsung is like a horse which has been overloaded and it shows.
With nexus 6 being made available shortly samsung will lose more customers.
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I'm not sure that the Note serie is responsible of Samsung loosing consumers. In fact, a recent poll on Phonearena shows that more than 81% of people think that the Note 4 is the best large-screen on the market right now.
Maybe the GS5 was disappointing and an update hard to justify but IMO, that's not why Samsung looses consumers.
There is more competition now and newee phones simply aren't big upgrade anymore (except iPhone 6/6+ for last-gen iPhone owners).
With a lot of manufacturers that sell high-end phones for 400$, It's harder to sell with a price tag of more than 650$.
As I remember, only low-cost company gain market shares recently.
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These are valid arguments, s5 was a big let down which has put off many people.
Yes low cost pomes are taking a chunk of the market but I think most who buy them are probably disappointed.
I've been saying this since S4 was launched that samsung eventually will lose consumers if they carry in with the cheap plastic look and touchwiz, see my earlier posts. Samsung have been vey slow in reacting and are laying out daily, same mistake Htc made. I think the next phone samsung launch will address the plastic and touchwiz issue, unless they are still,asleep.
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Seriously dude look at iPhone 6 plus it's a massive hit. It's outselling every other phone in the market and I'm not an apple fan but android.
Back in the day there was only one phablet which was the note but now you have more choice which is why people are not buying the note 4.
Spec wise samsung should be doing much better as far as performance is concerned but in really use the iPhone is better. Take the finger print sensor, on the iPhone it works seamlessly every time as it should On the note 4 well it's hit and miss.
Samsung is like a horse which has been overloaded and it shows.
With nexus 6 being made available shortly samsung will lose more customers.
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Year to year, in september, Apple's market shares are down. According to Kantar's analysis, the only market they are gaining market share year to year is EU5 where Apple is already very low (less than 15% market share).
Nexus 6 will certainly not sell very well if Google doesn't invest in marketing. None of the Nexus was a massive success to date. They sell well in a nich market of tech savvy.
Chinese brands, in the other hand, gain market share very fast (Xiaomi growth by 267% year to year if I remember correctly. When the market is only 26% larger).
Businesses and marketshare will go up and down in cycles, in a year or two numbers will rise again. This is normal behaviour to have these fluctuations as demand for products vary from time to time. It's a long time since Apple had a steady flow, they also suffer from fluctuations in their marketshare and product sales figures.
I'm not worried about this temporary setback for Samsung, they have a massive amount of money and electronics is not their main source of income.
/ Magnus
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Seriously dude look at iPhone 6 plus it's a massive hit. It's outselling every other phone in the market and I'm not an apple fan but android.
Back in the day there was only one phablet which was the note but now you have more choice which is why people are not buying the note 4.
Spec wise samsung should be doing much better as far as performance is concerned but in really use the iPhone is better. Take the finger print sensor, on the iPhone it works seamlessly every time as it should On the note 4 well it's hit and miss.
Samsung is like a horse which has been overloaded and it shows.
With nexus 6 being made available shortly samsung will lose more customers.
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You say people are not buying the Note 4 yet Samsungs recent quarterly results reflected that they have sold more phones and the Note 4 is already a major contributor, confirmed by Samsung's VP.
If you are going to make bold claims please stick to facts.
FYI: according to Kantar, Apple continue to lose marketshare globally, including in the USA:
http://www.mobileburn.com/23718/news/apple-loses-us-market-share-despite-record-sales
iPad also losing share to Samsung:
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/idc-samsung-nears-apple-tablet-shipments-market-climbs-11-5-q3-2014/
Dont like the plastic back? Just buy a metal back. PROBLEM SOLVED.
I really hope Samsung doesnt make a metal unibody for the Note 5, like the recent ugly HTC and Apple phones that look like someone shat the 1980s expectations of 2010 "scifi tech" through a douchefactory. I hope they stick to removable back, because then you can CHOOSE to have an easily scratched slippery ugly metal back or a grippy durable nice plastic back.
I dont find ANY gimmicky software on my Note 4. I find gimmicky hardware though, like the heartrate sensor and UV sensor. What exactly do you think is gimmicky software on the Note 4?
riz157 said:
This thread probably infuriate some (Sam fans) and be informative for others. Help people perhaps decide whether to buy or not.
I'm sick of touchwiz it lags and ugly. Probably worse the. Lg's ui. A phone which spec wise packs so much can't handle it's own ui.:silly:
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You did not share any information, you merely stated your opinion.
riz157 said:
Plastic is not appealing anymore. I hear the argument "need plastic back for removal battery" well people you don't need it to be ugly. More then one way to remove battery.
Get rid of the ugly design with plastic back, take a leaf out Htcs book.
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I happen to like plastic and I like the feel of the Note 4's battery cover. And I hate the look of most HTC phones. And by that I mean to say, that it all boils down to personal preferences and individual taste.
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Get rid of the stupid gimmicky software which perhaps a vey small percentage of people use.
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I doubt that a "vey small percentage of people" uses the camera, or the S-Note. I am sure quite a few people are using multiwindow, the ultra power saving mode, and so on. All these are part of Touchwiz.
riz157 said:
I'm going for nexus 6 and not keeping my note 4 because it's slow and hate the ui.
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out! Kidding!
I am sure there are people out there that feel the same way as you. But you need to accept that there are also people who don't. Cheers!
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Do get a bit of lag, nothing major though. The messaging app was especially lagging for me, but that was easily fixed by replacing it with a 3rd party app. I'm finding a lot of the features to be very useful actually, not gimmicky at all, one-handed mode, ultra power saving, download booster, all the S pen features. The back is nothing amazing but doesn't look cheap until you take it off, would be keeping it hidden under a case anyway, so again not much of a problem. The positives far outweigh the negatives for me.
I like the note 4 design and feel, especially the fake leather back. More than my old HTC m8.
And regarding touchwiz, only lag I have is the recent apps button.
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I'm not a fan of touchwiz, but my phone has basically been lag free. With the only exception being the recent apps button. However, my G3 had the same recent apps button lag so it's not only a Samsung thing.
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this is no place for iphones 6 plus and hey did someone forgot the bendgate allready ??
i hope you remember what that uni body piece of aluminium is capable of... enough said
SupaSwag said:
I'm not a fan of touchwiz, but my phone has basically been lag free. With the only exception being the recent apps button. However, my G3 had the same recent apps button lag so it's not only a Samsung thing.
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I attribute it to the fact that the phone might be waiting for a long press to pop up the menu.
No lag on my unit...Bard's tale~2gb game runs smooth even on power saving mode(so do all the other games/apps I run, just pointed this out due to its size)..So I am a satisfied customer Samsung,,
Yes, I do agree that touchwiz can be a little lightweight and polished..but its way better than what it used to be!
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I attribute it to the fact that the phone might be waiting for a long press to pop up the menu.
No lag on my unit...Bard's tale~2gb game runs smooth even on power saving mode(so do all the other games/apps are run, just pointed this out due to its size)..So I am a satisfied customer Samsung,,
Bu I do agree that touchwiz can be a little lightweight and polished..but its way better than what it used to be!
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thats very well said...as for the customers demand samsung has metal bands around , so soon enough will be the light touchwiz
i disagree to the saying that samsung dsnt listens to their customers, they do it
i have never seen tim cook talking to each and everyone ,"hey what do you want in your iphone".....
riz157 said:
This thread probably infuriate some (Sam fans) and be informative for others. Help people perhaps decide whether to buy or not.
I'm sick of touchwiz it lags and ugly. Probably worse the. Lg's ui. A phone which spec wise packs so much can't handle it's own ui.:silly:
How many people feel that's true?
Samsung are losing market share due to them not listening to their customers. Samsung need to switch back on and start reacting to consumer demands. Plastic is not appealing anymore. I hear the argument "need plastic back for removal battery" well people you don't need it to be ugly. More then one way to remove battery.
Get rid of the ugly design with plastic back, take a leaf out Htcs book.
Get rid of the stupid gimmicky software which perhaps a vey small percentage of people use.
I'm going for nexus 6 and not keeping my note 4 because it's slow and hate the ui.
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Your statements are opinions, based on taste or preference no facts. I do agree with you on the lag issues, I do feel like TouchWiz is a hindrance and that it's not very appealing. However a lot of people love TouchWiz. You saying that Samsung doesn't listen to us doesn't compute though if they didn't listen and try to anticipate our needs they wouldn't have a gazillion device's.
That being said the millions they spend on developing and advertising so many devices coupled with their pricing and the emergence of Chinese phone companies like Xiaomi and Oppo to name a few are a reason why they're not fairing better. You can't be the king forever. Samsung is still doing fine the market has changed.
As far as looks are concerned I find the note 4 gorgeous. My opinion. I agree with you on the useless hardware and software part and firmly believe that Samsung phones should come out with stock Android on their own framework and put all their bloatware in their app store like they did with their extra camera modes. But again, that's my opinion.
I decided to ditch Samsung after the s5 I felt that them offering the same phone for what was arguably the 3rd time was a slap in the face but the note 4 is in a league of its own and that's why I'm giving them another chance.
riz157 said:
I'm sick of touchwiz it lags and ugly. Probably worse the. Lg's ui. A phone which spec wise packs so much can't handle it's own ui.
How many people feel that's true?
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I'm not denying that TouchWiz isn't lagging, but the fact that you think TouchWiz is the only thing that lags makes this much more bad for you. Infact, iOS even lags to. Here, let me show you some evidences on that. Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY-KuPhC0Y0
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Samsung are losing market share due to them not listening to their customers.
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No, they are losing market share because other manufacturers are making better and better phones that is selling better and better. This just forces Samsung to make even better phones, like they did with the Galaxy Note 4, which is just positive.
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Like they did with the Samsung Galaxy Note 4?
Samsung just made the best phablet phone in the world. Samsung was the manufacturer that did set the standard for what a phablet is and should be. And they are still the king of that category.
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Plastic is not appealing anymore. I hear the argument "need plastic back for removal battery" well people you don't need it to be ugly. More then one way to remove battery.
Get rid of the ugly design with plastic back, take a leaf out Htcs book.
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No thanks. We don't want slippery aluminum that makes us risking our phones to fall down on the ground / asphalt which also makes the phone looks butt ugly with dents and scratches all over the places. I'll rather have a Polycarbonate backcover with this fake leather over the polycarbonate plastic just because it gives us a pretty good grip on the phone. Have you ever tried to use an iPhone 6 Plus with one hand without feeling that you are about to miss it down to the ground / floor?
Try it and you will realize why we want Polycarbonate backcovers with fake leather over it.
Not only that, but the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 looks waaaaay better than the iPhone 6 Plus and HTC One M8 combined.
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Get rid of the stupid gimmicky software which perhaps a vey small percentage of people use.
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It's pretty clear that you don't understand the whole meaning of the Note series. The TouchWiz features is what makes the Galaxy Note phablets to be the ultimate phablets they are today. Look at the iPhone 6 Plus. It's just an oversized iPhone 6 meant for HUUUUUGE peoples. You don't gain anything with the iPhone 6 Plus over the iPhone 6 except for the landscape thing in some apps.
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I'm going for nexus 6 and not keeping my note 4 because it's slow and hate the ui.
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Good for you. Nexus 6 is a good phone, i'm not denying that. But what can the Nexus 6 do that the Nexus 5 can't do except for having a bigger screen?
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Seriously dude look at iPhone 6 plus it's a massive hit. It's outselling every other phone in the market and I'm not an apple fan but android.
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It's a massive hit because of good marketing and overhyping in the media. Anyways, who gives a damn about that when you see that Android worldwide have a massive marketshare of 84%. iOS have a lil 12%. When we are looking at that stats worldwide, then wo cares about iOS anymore then?
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Back in the day there was only one phablet which was the note but now you have more choice which is why people are not buying the note 4.
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A Nexus 6 or an iPhone 6 Plus is not even considered a real phablet. Just having an oversized iPhone 6 with no new things except for some lame landscape mode isn't even taken as a threath to the Galaxy Note 4. if you are going to create a phablet, then make sure to use the screen size to something usefull.
A Nexus 6 is just the same as the Nexus 5 with just better specs. That's it.
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Spec wise samsung should be doing much better as far as performance is concerned but in really use the iPhone is better. Take the finger print sensor, on the iPhone it works seamlessly every time as it should On the note 4 well it's hit and miss.
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Here is a clue for you. Even though the Touch ID on the iPhone 6 / 6 Plus is more easy to use, you are far from being any more secure with it over Samsung's fingerprint scanner. Because when you use the Touch ID, you are just pressing directly on top of the Touch ID button, which leaves your fingerprint completely available to anyone who manages to steal your iPhone. With Samsung's fingerprint scanner, you have to swipe to get it to work. That means that you are actually swiping away your fingerprint on the fingerprint scanner on the home button. So those who steals your phone is going to have a really hard time to figure out the fingerprint then.
I'll rather take more security over a little easier usage.
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Samsung is like a horse which has been overloaded and it shows.
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Samsung and TouchWiz as it is on the Galaxy Note 4 is all fine. The only thing i will say though is that Samsung needs to refresh it's color scheme and update it's icons in TouchWiz, so things can look better. There haven't been much changes on Samsung's icons since Samsung Galaxy S2 came out for the most part. But for the functionality and what TouchWiz is capable of doing, it's there to stay and it's there to be used.
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With nexus 6 being made available shortly samsung will lose more customers.
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An oversized Nexus 5 wont even tickle Samsung when it comes to this.
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Dont like the plastic back? Just buy a metal back. PROBLEM SOLVED.
I really hope Samsung doesnt make a metal unibody for the Note 5, like the recent ugly HTC and Apple phones that look like someone shat the 1980s expectations of 2010 "scifi tech" through a douchefactory. I hope they stick to removable back, because then you can CHOOSE to have an easily scratched slippery ugly metal back or a grippy durable nice plastic back.
I dont find ANY gimmicky software on my Note 4. I find gimmicky hardware though, like the heartrate sensor and UV sensor. What exactly do you think is gimmicky software on the Note 4?
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Yeah, eBay 4tw when it comes to buying cool backcovers for the Galaxy Note 4. I'm actually gonna buy a Carbon Fiber backcover (not complete carbon fiber) here pretty soon: http://www.ebay.com/itm/30135668976...49&var=600351115625&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
The black version of the Galaxy Note 4 will look smexy sexy with that backcover. You can also buy aluminum / metall backcovers, but they are going to get your GSM, 3G / 4G and Wi-Fi signals to be worser. So i'll rather avoid that. Not only that, but the back of the Galaxy Note 4 looks really good now with the fake leather as it doesn't have any stupid plastic lines (to get better signals through the back) that basicly destroys the look of the phone.
I'm not a fan of Touch wiz, but we have the option of switching to a different launcher and I prefer Nova...
This phone is awesome and we should be thankful we have the freedom to change what we don't like.
How about those Apples?
Every year there is the debate of whether to upgrade or not. On the positives, you'll get a bigger screen, faster processor, 4-6 GB more RAM, more camera options, slightly bigger battery and sleeker design. However, you'd be giving up the headphone jack, have to deal with the punch hole camera, and potentially having more accidental screen presses with the all screen design.
Given the aggressive discounts, it still might be worth it for some. Will you be upgrading?
Absolutely getting it. I'll be paying for a device anyway, may as well be the latest
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absolutely freaking not. its too gimmicky for me
Yea, preordered it. 600 in trade 250 in Samsung dollars plus cashed in rewards. Looking at 260 shipped to my door. I can easily sell it for more than my note 9 unlocked.
Ordered 10+ 512 black unlocked.
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To many features of the 9 were dropped like the heart rate sensor that I use daily so for me the 10+ would be a major downgrade from my note9 512gb.
Plus the hole punch would drive me nuts.
No. It's literally a S10+ with a stylus and removed a feature. The headphone jack.
If there was a trade-in option like in the USA then I would consider, but in Sweden there are no good incentives and it's quite expensive for such a small upgrade. Maybe later if they will have some good deals for Blackfriday or christmas.
The hole in the screen is a deal breaker for me. I'm keeping my Note 9.
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The hole in the screen is a deal breaker for me. I'm keeping my Note 9.
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The same by me,keep the Note 9,maybe there are good customroms in the future,but not before update to Android 10.......at the moment i dont see a reason to change anything;the Note 9 is running nearly perfect....love it!
Yes! But for the first time I'll lose features, in order of personal importance: force touch button, headphone jack, hearth rate sensor.
Let's just call the Note 10 "Note10e".
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Yes! But for the first time I'll lose features, in order of personal importance: force touch button, headphone jack, hearth rate sensor.
Let's just call the Note 10 "Note10e".
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Most does not mention it nor care, but the iris scanner is also no more.
Not enough for me to upgrade, the freaking punch hole and the lack of a headphone jack and the heart rate sensor I used to upgrade my devices almost every year or year and a half, smartphones tech has evolved so much that I can't really see the need to upgrade so often..
Today, I had a chance to check out the Note 10 and Plus models at Best Buy. After checking it out for about 15 minutes, it felt like a purely cosmetic upgrade. Yes, it looks more sleek than the Note 9, especially in the Aura Blue color, but the reality is it ends up in a case anyways which adds bulk to the bezels. The hole punch was nearly invisible using night mode. The power button on the left is where one's index finger rests, so that change likely won't be an issue. Once the wow factor of the huge screen wore off, you realize that Samsung is basically using the same formula as the Note 9 and S10 series. Sure, it's a bit faster with the SD 855, EFS 3.0, and 12 GB RAM, but do they make a real world difference? Not really. I have a OnePlus 7 Pro as well, and the 90 Hz display combined with smoother software experience give the Note 10+ serious competition.
With 5G so sparsely available and carriers still figuring out what bands to use, I'd say the 5G model is premature. Even when 5G gains steam in 2020/2021, it's likely that the X50 modem will pale in comparison to the performance and versatility of upcoming 5G modems. As for the smaller Note 10, I can see it being popular with those coming from an S7 or S8. It is very comfortable to hold and offers good specs, though it will need to come down in price to compete with the S10/S10+.
The best summary of the situation mentioned is that the Note 9 was a phone that offered everything with no compromises. The Note 10+ offers extreme specs and gimmicky features, but gives up basics that Note 8 and Note 9 users appreciated. It is a very good looking phone with great performance, but not worth paying such a hefty price after one year with the expensive Note 9. Don't be shocked if this is deeply discounted for the holidays.
No headphone jack for a $100 more and not even a damn dongle or a 45 w charger in the box. Never paying more for less. Samsung is going the direction of apple's after mocking them for years for the same things they're doing right now. They've even removed their mocking videos from everywhere. Now, even the price is the same. Claiming that they removed the headphone jack to have space for the spen and a bigger battery. Turned out the bigger battery is only 300 mAh extra and the pen is the same size as ever. Asus managed to put a 5000 mAh battery in a phone WITH a headphone jack and two USB-C ports. Samsung is starting to cut corners to save some money on production and make more of it on sales since the phone market is basically saturated. They're freaking out because they're not selling as many phones as they used to. If they keep going on this direction, this note 9 will be the last phone I get from them even though this has been my decision even before the note 10, but now I won't even consider them.
Well for those that can afford to pay full price for a device then trade said device in I'm sure getting the 10 is a good deal. It would end up costing what a decent mid range device cost. But for most of us we are on contract..lol. For me I could care less about on screen finger print. Some will say well I don't have to pick up phone to unlock it now. Have we become so lazy that picking up your phone is that hard. For me and this is just me, I don't think the 10 is much of an upgrade. Yeah I have 2 upgrades just sitting and waiting to be used at At&t but I don't think I will waste them on the 10 when the 9 is great..sucky camera but still a power house. Don't care about the gimmicky pen gestures I'm not a blogger and most average user will not use it. I'm a simple man will never have to convert my off screen notes to word documents, what I have to say isn't that important [emoji1787]. But to each person it may be seen different. But for me it's not an upgrade. The 10 to me is a midrange device, the 10 plus is beautiful but it's just not enough to justify the price.
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Lol...I don't know maybe.
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Probably going back to a pixel phone... Tired of waiting for security updates and main updates....
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Lol...I don't know maybe.
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You WILL buy both the note 10 and the plus and that's a promise. You have every note that's ever existed, Butchie. [emoji23]
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Lol...I don't know maybe.
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I will see you in the Note 10 Forums lol.
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Nop, first cuz updates....J7 pro 2017 have lastes OneUI 1.1 and we dont? Wtf sammy?
Waiting for next huawei and than i go
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Samsung galaxy note 20 ultra
Yes this is great phone i already using it great company
So far I have to say this phone is on its way to becoming the New GOAT. Build quality is stellar, i don't mind the camera bump, small sacrifice for a better shooter. Plus I always rest my finger against it. But that being said, it's pretty much the perfect phone IMO.
The display, the smoothness, the cameras. If I can get 6h + SOT on top of that it'll definitely become my GOAT Samsung phone. Dethroning the Note 7 who dethroned the Galaxy S4 Google play edition but I digress.
I don't see myself moving to another phone any time soon.
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Initial thoughts after final setup:
Going from a A20 ultra to a Note 20 ultra, I think this phone just looks and might even perform better. The feel in the hand, the fingerprint reader, everything seems to run smoother. I'm loving it so far.
My main concern is the battery life with heavy use. I've tweaked the settings a bit, so I guess I will have a better idea after a few days of use. But so far so good! :good:
I just received and configured my Note 20 Ultra. It's so similiar to Note 10+ but faster. Software looks almost the same. I already have 1 software update with security patch from 1st of August
edit: what is annoying is that pen is from the other side it's inconviniet if you are using right hand to operate and hold your phon in your left hand
It's an incredible phone. So much smaller than my first mobile phone 35 years ago. How far we have come since Palm first put a PDA and mobile into the same unit. Luv, Luv, Luv.
PS. The Beans are wonderful. So nice to not have a bud sticking into my ear canal.
PPS. Now I have to wait all over again for my Tab S7+.
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It's an incredible phone. So much smaller than my first mobile phone 35 years ago. How far we have come since Palm first put a PDA and mobile into the same unit. Luv, Luv, Luv.
PS. The Beans are wonderful. So nice to not have a bud sticking into my ear canal.
PPS. Now I have to wait all over again for my Tab S7+.
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Lol, I remember those. My first phone was a brick phone with a battery that lasted an hour if you were lucky, and a hand calculator sized screen. Times have changed indeed. It's amazing.
a Lefty's dream!
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I just received and configured my Note 20 Ultra. It's so similiar to Note 10+ but faster. Software looks almost the same. I already have 1 software update with security patch from 1st of August
edit: what is annoying is that pen is from the other side it's inconviniet if you are using right hand to operate and hold your phon in your left hand
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I have waited on the Note series for a while. What finally took my commitment was finding out the s pen is on the left. As a lefty, this is the most convenient placement I can imagine.
Anticipate that the placement will change back to the right in the next iteration after feedback from rightys.
If the s-pen was on the right, it would be perfect. Fingerprint scanner is brilliant now, screen is unreal, battery life is phenomenal, speed is beyond belief... Perfection. Good luck topping this, Samsung
Love this phone! It's definitely my favorite phone ever. It just barely beats my love for the OnePlus 8 Pro. I like the form factor of this phone better with less display curves. Plus all the tons of software features. However the colors and brightness on the OnePlus 8 Pro are better.
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Love this phone! It's definitely my favorite phone ever. It just barely beats my love for the OnePlus 8 Pro. I like the form factor of this phone better with less display curves. Plus all the tons of software features. However the colors and brightness on the OnePlus 8 Pro are better.
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Can you elaborate further on the brightness? Everything I've read says the Note 20 Ultra has a brighter screen than the OnePlus 8 Pro, and the rated nits value is quite a bit higher. It might only go up to highest brightness in adaptive mode and being outside? IDK, but you're the first person I've seen say this.
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Can you elaborate further on the brightness? Everything I've read says the Note 20 Ultra has a brighter screen than the OnePlus 8 Pro, and the rated nits value is quite a bit higher. It might only go up to highest brightness in adaptive mode and being outside? IDK, but you're the first person I've seen say this.
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This is the best way I have of describing my N20U screen brightness.
On a no cloud sunny day, I can take my phone out and see the screen perfectly. No more having to turn to use my body for shade and my hand to see the screen.
I am 69 with mild Adult onset Macular Degeneration. This phone is fantastic for me with auto brightness enabled.
I hope that helps.
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Couldn't agree more. After owning note 2,3,4,7,8, and 9 with the pen on the right it will take some getting used to.
Battery life is also a bit meh coming from a Poco F2 Pro but it's good enough to get me to the end of the day so I can live with it.
Apart from those two factors I love this thing. Even at 60hz the screen is very bright and vibrant. It's very responsive, plenty quick enough for day to day tasks, and I've got the inferior Exynos model since that's all my country gets.
Camera is also beast. Low light isn't quite as good as my P30 Pro but it's still pretty impressive compared to a lot of smart phones out there. One thing it does have over the p30 is that it's much faster to grab focus so much better for quick snaps.
great phone, super screen, great that the diagonal has become larger, very convenient !!!
I bought note 20 ultra it is most bs phone i ever use it
No complaint in the overall experience
I've had Note 1, Note 3, S7, S10+ and now N20U from HK with Snapdragon. I've only had it two days, but I'm very happy with the phone. Big £ savings vs UK Exynos are icing and a cherry on top of the cake.
Having pre ordered the phone and having used Notes 3,4,7, 8 and now the 20 Utra 5G with 512gb internal storage; I wanted to wait to make a judgement call but I can say while there are things I like about the phone, I don't think it is what I expected and I am done with Samsung products.
I mean they have tried un-successfully to get rid of the micro sd card slot so then they go after the head phone jack. They skimp on the 120Hz display at full resolution. I mean there are a number of things for a flag ship $1549 phone that just say crap. I was interested in a watch and a tab s7 also. but that isn't going to happen.
I've owned a number of Samsung devices in the past, including Notes 8 and 9 as well as an S10e provided by my company. The Note 9 is, to me, an icon and the last no holds barred, everything but the kitchen sink, no compromises, Note. I do a lot of mobile photography and have always gravitated toward devices that had impressive camera/audio/video capabilities as well as feature-filled in other areas. I wanted to get my hands on the Note 20 Ultra but wasn't willing to relinquish my still pristine Note 9 for the pre-order trade in discount. So I waited for the software problems to get sorted out and the prices to come down. I regularly scanned the Offer Up and Swappa websites until I was able to a factory unlocked 512GB model from a good seller at a great price. This device is a juggernaut of power, form, function, features and fun. I found it not to be too much larger than my Note 9 which fits oh so nicely in hand in its Caseoloy Paraxell case. The camera and video set up is a mobile photographer's dream. I've utilized Google Pixel software apks (GCam) on all of my devices going back to my LG V20 and the stock cameras work so well that I have found no need to port one this time out. This is just overall a top notch piece of tech that does so many things and does them well. It is a quality, powerful, feature-filled piece of technology that will fulfill your needs, whether it's mobile photography, work productivity or content consumption/creation and everything in between. I'm glad I added it to my lineup.
Hardware is great ! With a few greed related exceptions, ( Like Non-Removable Battery, No Audio Port,etc... ) Scamsung's Locked Bluetooth codec really burns my ars !
It could Do/Be so much more/better if they would just fix the Hardware/Firmware lockdown BS.
Coming from a Rooted Note3, this is a really bad experience trying to do anything with this thing, Nothing works without agreeing to some sort of sketchy user agreement. No one is making any usable apps any more, Most of the Best Developers have quit bothering with Android. Even simple widgets don't even work anymore
I DO NOT OWN this over priced phone, They Do ! And they do/steal what ever they want to/from it !
They forced Assdroid 11 in the middle of the night with a corrupt image, I was forced to send it back to them to get it re-flashed. Now None of the apps I was using on version 10 will work on ver. 11.
I will NEVER buy another assdroid, scamsung again. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone either.
Sad that almost all the hardware/software makers are using these creepy/greedy tactics to spy,steal & dictate what you should do. No other choices out there any more ...
Soon you will have to log in just to wipe your ass ! & they Will be counting your turds.
Ah yes, the Note 20 Ultra will be my last in a long line of Samsung phone ownership. I'm just not satisfied with this product. That's not to say it's a bad phone but there are other tempting, albeit less expensive options available nowadays. I was happier with the Note 10+. I'm not impressed with the Note 20's cameras the 108mp camera makes no noticeable difference. The large sensor is great but it tends to blur the edges of the object in focus quite frequently. I can't take a selfie without my teeth, which are white, looking like a stick of butter. Battery life is not impressive at all. Basically, there is nothing that justifies the the price I paid for this device and I wish I stuck with my Note 10+.
Fully agree.
The price tag (even if I did not pay for that phone) is insane for that device:
Camera? Lol. Quality not impressive and the 50x zoom garbage produces very nice "Pixel arts" composition. Oops sorry I think I used the word "quality" in that sentence, surely inappropriate in that context.
Battery? lol. I am barely using the phone, it hardly lasts from morning to evening, then battery almost empty
Apps? Junkware? My phone is/was full of links to paying craps from Samsung
The bulge? the weight? Recipe for disaster.
The headphones? The wireless charge? Oh wait, those are extra to be paid separately...
The fingerprint sensor on the screen? lol. Prevents me from using my phone regularly. Rubbish.
CPU oh let's remind that I don't have the same as international, I have the exynox junk.
Samsung junk to "protect" (their business) and lock your phone, so you don't remove their junkwares.
I don't see what that device has more than devices costing 25% of the asking price.
Good experience, it will save me (my own) money for future purchases.
The device is only worth it ( for me anyways ) when heavily discounted via trade in. Otherwise , there's no way in it's worth $1399 plus tax , that's for sure.
I had a brief run with a OnePlus 8 Pro, 799$ black Friday deal, and that was a better value choice over all. However, if one doesn't intend to root then it can be a rather boring device.
I heard that in another brilliant Apple like move that Sammy will not include chargers bundled with their phones.
Samsung Galaxy S21 now looks likely to come without a charger, like the iPhone 12
Samsung may follow Apple's lead
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A Green move designed to steal more of your green... naturally.
Sammy, you've changed, but I'm not seeing rainbows... I'm seeing red.
The exynos version is a bad phone... The snapdragon is better but also doesnt worth 1400$ or €. With worldwide snapdragon for 699-799€ for the ultra would have been an amazing deal...
I'm quite happy, the IQ from the main camera is better than my Note 9 by quite a stretch, and the IQ holds up well in this camera shootout (see GSMArena's camera shootout between Mate 40 Pro, iPhone 12 pro max, Sony Xperia 1 MkII and Note 20 Ultra).
Its well built, I have the exynos version and I'm getting through 2 to 3 days between charges with 7 to 8 hrs SoT. I did debloat a bit but have all the original functionality, dont have it in 5G mode as this does eat battery (Dont have 5g here yet), use wifi 90% of time so phone data is off. I have no issues with fingerprint scanner, works well.
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I'm quite happy, the IQ from the main camera is better than my Note 9 by quite a stretch, and the IQ holds up well in this camera shootout (see GSMArena's camera shootout between Mate 40 Pro, iPhone 12 pro max, Sony Xperia 1 MkII and Note 20 Ultra).
Its well built, I have the exynos version and I'm getting through 2 to 3 days between charges with 7 to 8 hrs SoT. I did debloat a bit but have all the original functionality, dont have it in 5G mode as this does eat battery (Dont have 5g here yet), use wifi 90% of time so phone data is off. I have no issues with fingerprint scanner, works well.
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Which OS are you on?
Guys, did someone force you to buy it?
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Guys, did someone force you to buy it?
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Samsung phones can be like punji pits, lots of concealed sharp surprises.
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Guys, did someone force you to buy it?
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No, we are free to review it.
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No, we are free to review it.
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Lol, feel the wuv
The really funny part is Samsung can't handle criticism. If you ever talked to a SK based Samsung rep you'll see what I mean. I enjoy drilling into them immensely. Some of that is cultural and the rest is poor training.
They don't interface well with irate Westerners
Tough.
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Lol, feel the wuv
The really funny part is Samsung can't handle criticism. If you ever talked to a SK based Samsung rep you'll see what I mean. I enjoy drilling into them immensely. Some of that is cultural and the rest is poor training.
They don't interface well with irate Westerners
Tough.
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So in a nutshell , if one were politely show them an issue they'd get offended ?
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So in a nutshell , if one were politely show them an issue they'd get offended ?
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Well politely to them would be to beat around the bush and never get anything resolved or escalated. If you consider the same rep asking you the same questions 2 even 3 times then yes, yes it's a quit pleasant and polite conversation.
However if on the other hand you tend to be assertive like me, it's the stuff of nightmares for a mealy mouth SK rep. You can feel their bp rising; that's the most satisfaction you're likely to get.
I would rather talk to the wall...
Samsung has the worst customer support of any large corporation I have dealt with extensively.
Worse than Toshiba even Sony... Samsung is that bad, #10.
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Well politely to them would be to beat around the bush and never get anything resolved or escalated. If you consider the same rep asking you the same questions 2 even 3 times then yes, yes it's a quit pleasant and polite conversation.
However if on the other hand you tend to be assertive like me, it's the stuff of nightmares for a mealy mouth SK rep. You can feel their bp rising; that's the most satisfaction you're likely to get.
I would rather talk to the wall...
Samsung has the worst customer support of any large corporation I have dealt with extensively.
Worse than Toshiba even Sony... Samsung is that bad, #10.
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For some strange reason I can believe that.
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For some strange reason I can believe that.
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Nothing like trying it yourself... drive right in, the water is great, pay no never mind to the jellyfish.
Denon on the other hand is an absolute pleasure to deal with; superb customer service.
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Nothing like trying it yourself... drive right in, the water is great, pay no never mind to the jellyfish.
Denon on the other hand is an absolute pleasure to deal with; superb customer service.
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Best customer services that I ever recall was ironically an american firm called Cerwin Vega, mind you this was back in the mid 90s and in the UK. Their UK senior representative came to my home to check out an issue with my AT-100 speakers. Lol
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Best customer services that I ever recall was ironically an american firm called Cerwin Vega, mind you this was back in the mid 90s and in the UK. Their UK senior representative came to my home to check out an issue with my AT-100 speakers. Lol
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"Loud is beautiful… if it's clean"
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"Loud is beautiful… if it's clean"
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Clean it wasn't
I've had the note 9, note 10+, and now the note 20 ultra. I absolutely loved the note 10+ and wish I would of never traded it in for the note 20 ultra piece of dung. What a pile of junk rolled into a barely bronze metal container. I've had many smartphones and loved my Xiaomi phones. What happened with the note 20 ultra?
Yes their customer service is wretched! I needed damage repaired on my S6 tablet. I bought the accidental damage protection plan with my tablet on Shop Samsung's website. Samsung took almost 3 weeks to fix it and kept saying I had not paid for accidental damage coverage. Needless to say after spending a stupid amount of time 2 to 3 times a week on the phone I finally got it covered and got it back only to find it now glitches and crashes and has horrible battery life now. Yay!
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I've had the note 9, note 10+, and now the note 20 ultra. I absolutely loved the note 10+ and wish I would of never traded it in for the note 20 ultra piece of dung. What a pile of junk rolled into a barely bronze metal container. I've had many smartphones and loved my Xiaomi phones. What happened with the note 20 ultra?
Yes their customer service is wretched! I needed damage repaired on my S6 tablet. I bought the accidental damage protection plan with my tablet on Shop Samsung's website. Samsung took almost 3 weeks to fix it and kept saying I had not paid for accidental damage coverage. Needless to say after spending a stupid amount of time 2 to 3 times a week on the phone I finally got it covered and got it back only to find it now glitches and crashes and has horrible battery life now. Yay!
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Fo you have the exynos? The snapdragon is way better... No heating, better battery, better mobile reception...
I'm seriously thinking about getting the Fold 3. Maybe I'm just caught up in the hype but I can't stop thinking about trading the Ultra in for a Fold 3. What do you all think, why or why not?
When the s21U vs Fold 3 comparisons come out, then take a few weeks and make up your decision.
Will trade it in for the Pixel 6 Pro.
Man i love the s21, but the software is sooooo bad. Can't get over oneui. The amount of bloat is just insane. Pixel 6 pro will be my next phone most likely.
seen reviews the fold 3 is a pile of crap specs not as good as s21 ultra
Nah...I was all about the fold 2 when I was moving from the mate 20x as I wanted the biggest phone I could find.
I was very disappointed with it though. First is really not that big and the fold part is horrible looking. Plus it does not help much for media in the end and that front screen is like a KitKat.
Worse is the camera cannot match the s21 ultra either and looks like the fold 3 is more of the same in terms of camera and even smaller?
I need a bigger phone with at least same cameras as the s21 ultra to be happy. Better yet a 16:10 format instead of the current KitKat trend but that ain't happening
Screen protectors are not available for internal screen, at the moment - so if you drop Fold3 unfolded, it will cost you like 1000 EUR Not worth. Spec is s h i t t y. Cameras are bad. Maybe Fold4 or 5 will be better. If so - I will consider it.
Bro why you making a POLL? Just trade it and come back in a few weeks to tell us how you feel about it.
Happy or not.
Smartphone and iPhone innovation has reached a plateau, the manufacturer's are leaning on camera additions and 5G to boost market share. Devices now have 5 or 6 cameras, more camera functions aren't a major driver when it comes to buying decisions, enough is enough! At this point 5G has few practical applications besides faster download speeds. Hardware is pretty much the same as it was 3 to 4 years ago. The focus should be on superior software and UI where the bulk of users express their dissatisfaction.
varcor said:
Smartphone and iPhone innovation has reached a plateau, the manufacturer's are leaning on camera additions and 5G to boost market share. Devices now have 5 or 6 cameras, more camera functions aren't a major driver when it comes to buying decisions, enough is enough! At this point 5G has few practical applications besides faster download speeds. Hardware is pretty much the same as it was 3 to 4 years ago. The focus should be on superior software and UI where the bulk of users express their dissatisfaction.
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Meh, don't get me started, for starters...
I think Android dropped the ball with their Apple like fixation on security when there wasn't major issues. Result both 11 and 12 are a pain the use.
Samsung is bent on cutting edge hardware but forgot the basics, like an SD card slot.
They fouled on every flagship model this year.
Problems with variable frequency displays and 5G, the cam hump, back to lame rounded display corners then were saddle bagged with Android 11, killing the ugly horse.
The Fold is a stuck together mess that seems more like a prototype than a polished flagship phone. Two batteries and a less than functional huge display prone to delamination.
I didn't want any of those headaches, just a phone that's fun, fast, stable, reliable, can capture good images and fulfills its mission. My N10+ Snapdragon is 2 years old, runs great and is drop dead gorgeous. Current OS load is 1.5 yo, still fast and stable with minimal maintenance. Good battery life.
Looks/runs like new, only repair was a replacement battery.
So... why fight it? I bought a second one new N10+ for $800. A premium price for a factory sealed perfect 10+. Good to go.
That's what I think about the new phones and so far 2022 is looking just as bad. The 10+ is more fun today then it was 2 years ago. I'm still exploring it's features and rarely burdened with troubleshooting. The longevity of the OS load is testimony to that. Security; running on Pie it has never had a malware forced reload. The newer one is running on Q, so far it's running good. However Q is as high as it will be upgraded.
Eventually I may upgrade from P to Q on the original 10+... maybe.
blackhawk said:
Meh, don't get me started, for starters...
I think Android dropped the ball with their Apple like fixation on security when there wasn't major issues. Result both 11 and 12 are a pain the use.
Samsung is bent on cutting edge hardware but forgot the basics, like an SD card slot.
They fouled on every flagship model this year.
Problems with variable frequency displays and 5G, the cam hump, back to lame rounded display corners then were saddle bagged with Android 11, killing the ugly horse.
The Fold is a stuck together mess that seems more like a prototype than a polished flagship phone. Two batteries and a less than functional huge display prone to delamination.
I didn't want any of those headaches, just a phone that's fun, fast, stable, reliable, can capture good images and fulfills its mission. My N10+ Snapdragon is 2 years old, runs great and is drop dead gorgeous. Current OS load is 1.5 yo, still fast and stable with minimal maintenance. Good battery life.
Looks/runs like new, only repair was a replacement battery.
So... why fight it? I bought a second one new N10+ for $800. A premium price for a factory sealed perfect 10+. Good to go.
That's what I think about the new phones and so far 2022 is looking just as bad. The 10+ is more fun today then it was 2 years ago. I'm still exploring it's features and rarely burdened with troubleshooting. The longevity of the OS load is testimony to that. Security; running on Pie it has never had a malware forced reload. The newer one is running on Q, so far it's running good. However Q is as high as it will be upgraded.
Eventually I may upgrade from P to Q on the original 10+... maybe.
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Well, I'm not going to defend Android 11 or 12 but the UI on Samsung has made substantial improvements since TouchWiz. Google was correct in efforts to make a more secure platform, it lagged far behind Apple. It has improved however it's still not as secure as iOS. The real advantages in Android 11 and 12 are more apparent on a Pixel Device, it's designed for that device, not a Galaxy, just as iOS is for iPhone's. I still use my S10+ often since I like it's smaller profile, MicroSD and 3.5 Jack. Call me outdated but I'm accustomed to these features and appreciate them. It's not on the same tier as my S21 Ultra but still a solid performer. Most new cellphones still use rounded corners which you don't like but it's much more convenient to slide in or out of my pocket. For me form follows function. Samsung is expecting a huge sales increase in the Fold 3. That may be the case and Samsung better pray it happens since the Galaxy S Series has been in a serious sales decline since the S20. Plus the Fold is no longer innovative, it's been around a few years and competitors are offering similar platforms. To me it's a novelty which is way overpriced when features are compared to other flagship devices. To spend close to 2K on anything that gives you maybe 4 hours SOT isn't something I'd place in a value added category.
varcor said:
Well, I'm not going to defend Android 11 or 12 but the UI on Samsung has made substantial improvements since TouchWiz. Google was correct in efforts to make a more secure platform, it lagged far behind Apple. It has improved however it's still not as secure as iOS. The real advantages in Android 11 and 12 are more apparent on a Pixel Device, it's designed for that device, not a Galaxy, just as iOS is for iPhone's. I still use my S10+ often since I like it's smaller profile, MicroSD and 3.5 Jack. Call me outdated but I'm accustomed to these features and appreciate them. It's not on the same tier as my S21 Ultra but still a solid performer. Most new cellphones still use rounded corners which you don't like but it's much more convenient to slide in or out of my pocket. For me form follows function. Samsung is expecting a huge sales increase in the Fold 3. That may be the case and Samsung better pray it happens since the Galaxy S Series has been in a serious sales decline since the S20. Plus the Fold is no longer innovative, it's been around a few years and competitors are offering similar platforms. To me it's a novelty which is way overpriced when features are compared to other flagship devices. To spend close to 2K on anything that gives you maybe 4 hours SOT isn't something I'd place in a value added category.
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Lol, I was using a S4+ running on Kitkat before I got the N10+. Huge difference in the IU. A bit of future shock but it was fun. The customizable is stunning; it looks and functions like I want it too.
TouchWiz was quit crude in comparison. I don't like slow PCs and the 10+ is snappy. I just don't ever run out of ram The other thing I really just go to pieces over is having a 1.5 dual drive PC in my hand. I require that SD card slot.
I'm running a .5tb now but thinking of going to 1tb.
The 10+ now seems small to me, the Bolt case isn't that bulky but provides excellent protection.
I like the 10+ 7mm profile with no cam hump.
This keeps it's bulk down.
I wear BDU pant so I just put it in the cargo pocket, it never falls out and easy to grab.
Or I'll stash it in the inner vest pocket.
Having watched CRTs for decades, screw rounded display corners! Who frames pictures and paintings with round corners? Very few.
Does Cinemascope have round corners?
Security is mostly hype. The user is almost always responsible for installing or downloading viruses, etc. No saving dumb bunnies...
Trying to make it safe for everyone ruins it for all.
The dumb bunnies still get wacked.
I'm running Pie with no issues, a rootkit could wiggle in but a full reload cost would me a few hours at worst.
Much better than constantly having scoped storage suck cpu cycles/battery and the headaches of nonfunctional/dysfunctional trusted apps because of it.
Scare tactics don't work well on a pragmatist...
Variable rate displays in addition to screwing with color rendering (which is very noticeable to me) also uses more battery. The 10+ handles color profiles so well I don't even think about it.
5G and scoped storage also use more power. My download speeds are good enough to stream vids. Scooped storage has nothing I want, zip.
Battery life is important to me.
SOT time using browser 7-8%@hr
Watching vids in the browser 9-12%@hr.
At night with cell and internet active, tap on AOD less than .5%@hr.
I can use the 10+ for at least 2-3 more years and be happy rather than run the tech gauntlet. This isn't what Google, Samsung or the carriers want, tough. Got tired of the bs and products that don't deliver what I want... so I cancelled them
I am still not convinced by foldables. My big butt and my butter fingers will find a way to break foldables screens easily. Plus invested a bit in the S21 Ultra - Spigen cases and Screen protectors + 2 years of Samsung care.
I think I am going to keep my S21 Ultra for a while (i've upgraded to the latest S phone ever since the S8). I've turned off 5g and enabled FHD+. And stopped charging at 85%+.
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The Pixel 6 and 6 pro did catch my attention however they have slow finger print readers (not the next gen ultrasonic ones that we have on the S21 Ultra. Most reviews are focusing features like Magic eraser and faster translation which are gimmicky and I feel I wont miss them in my everyday life.
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I am still not convinced by foldables. My big butt and my butter fingers will find a way to break foldables screens easily. Plus invested a bit in the S21 Ultra - Spigen cases and Screen protectors + 2 years of Samsung care.
I think I am going to keep my S21 Ultra for a while (i've upgraded to the latest S phone ever since the S8). I've turned off 5g and enabled FHD+. And stopped charging at 85%+.
Not related to the Fold3; felt like ranting -
The Pixel 6 and 6 pro did catch my attention however they have slow finger print readers (not the next gen ultrasonic ones that we have on the S21 Ultra. Most reviews are focusing features like Magic eraser and faster translation which are gimmicky and I feel I wont miss them in my everyday life.
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Agree with everything you've shared. I've upgraded every time since the S6 until the S10. Skipped the S20 and glad I did, the S21 is more refined. Won't be upgrading to the S22 based on what's broadly reported. Pretty sure the difference between a 4 nm and a 5 nm Chipset is negligible and the Exynos 2200 is plagued with production issues. So what's the point, a 108 MP Camera Upgrade, maybe 45W Charging, New Color? Sorry Samsung, these minor additions aren't worth the trouble or $$$. If you've been using a S10 or earlier model MAYBE, otherwise think twice.
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Lol, I was using a S4+ running on Kitkat before I got the N10+. Huge difference in the IU. A bit of future shock but it was fun. The customizable is stunning; it looks and functions like I want it too.
TouchWiz was quit crude in comparison. I don't like slow PCs and the 10+ is snappy. I just don't ever run out of ram The other thing I really just go to pieces over is having a 1.5 dual drive PC in my hand. I require that SD card slot.
I'm running a .5tb now but thinking of going to 1tb.
The 10+ now seems small to me, the Bolt case isn't that bulky but provides excellent protection.
I like the 10+ 7mm profile with no cam hump.
This keeps it's bulk down.
I wear BDU pant so I just put it in the cargo pocket, it never falls out and easy to grab.
Or I'll stash it in the inner vest pocket.
Having watched CRTs for decades, screw rounded display corners! Who frames pictures and paintings with round corners? Very few.
Does Cinemascope have round corners?
Security is mostly hype. The user is almost always responsible for installing or downloading viruses, etc. No saving dumb bunnies...
Trying to make it safe for everyone ruins it for all.
The dumb bunnies still get wacked.
I'm running Pie with no issues, a rootkit could wiggle in but a full reload cost would me a few hours at worst.
Much better than constantly having scoped storage suck cpu cycles/battery and the headaches of nonfunctional/dysfunctional trusted apps because of it.
Scare tactics don't work well on a pragmatist...
Variable rate displays in addition to screwing with color rendering (which is very noticeable to me) also uses more battery. The 10+ handles color profiles so well I don't even think about it.
5G and scoped storage also use more power. My download speeds are good enough to stream vids. Scooped storage has nothing I want, zip.
Battery life is important to me.
SOT time using browser 7-8%@hr
Watching vids in the browser 9-12%@hr.
At night with cell and internet active, tap on AOD less than .5%@hr.
I can use the 10+ for at least 2-3 more years and be happy rather than run the tech gauntlet. This isn't what Google, Samsung or the carriers want, tough. Got tired of the bs and products that don't deliver what I want... so I cancelled them
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After I become a pilot and have cargo pockets to spare I'll consider a box phone, don't hold your breath...
imankareem said:
I am still not convinced by foldables. My big butt and my butter fingers will find a way to break foldables screens easily. Plus invested a bit in the S21 Ultra - Spigen cases and Screen protectors + 2 years of Samsung care.
I think I am going to keep my S21 Ultra for a while (i've upgraded to the latest S phone ever since the S8). I've turned off 5g and enabled FHD+. And stopped charging at 85%+.
Not related to the Fold3; felt like ranting -
The Pixel 6 and 6 pro did catch my attention however they have slow finger print readers (not the next gen ultrasonic ones that we have on the S21 Ultra. Most reviews are focusing features like Magic eraser and faster translation which are gimmicky and I feel I wont miss them in my everyday life.
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If it's the magic eraser in google photos that's attracting you, don't sweat it. In about 6 months the update will be rolled out to all devices given Google's track record. But as someone said here, Android is best used as stock and google does a good job at it. All others add a huge load of bells and whistles on the OS making their versions just clunky and bug ridden...Oxygen OS included...
varcor said:
After I become a pilot and have cargo pockets to spare I'll consider a box phone, don't hold your breath...
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Lol, stop wearing Levi's long time ago.
Always carry a Gerber Strongarm too
I like the fold and it is my second choice but I pick my phone for its photography and camera abilities and fold 3 is lacking in the area.
Honestly unless you are returning to apple, what's the point. It's pretty much a given the s21 ultra is an all round beast of a phone. Is it perfect no but it's getting to that point now the phones are so similar beyond some minor hardware changes
Peanuttree said:
I'm seriously thinking about getting the Fold 3. Maybe I'm just caught up in the hype but I can't stop thinking about trading the Ultra in for a Fold 3. What do you all think, why or why not?
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