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how to eliminate the "mist " problem in 2x Camera

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any apps or can us adjust the camera firmware?

ygvuhb said:
any apps or can us adjust the camera firmware?
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Heard that it's mainly the presets that mess up the image. At least with pictures, manual settings prove to make way better pictures. So do your own whitebalance, lower the brightness a bit.

Indeed heared the same thing. On an other forum someone posted 2 pictures 1 with the auto settings and 1 with manual settings and you really saw the huge different in quaility.
I have attachted the 2 pictures in quesiton. You can see the difference for yourself.

the difference on these two pictures could also be, that on manual setting the sun is behind (southeast) him and on auto setting the sun is infront (northeast) of him. It would be better if we get some pictures taken in a row.

Interesting stuff. Would love to see some more comparison shots, as the poor reviews for the camera is one of the things putting me off this phone.

Pitbull09 said:
the difference on these two pictures could also be, that on manual setting the sun is behind (southeast) him and on auto setting the sun is infront (northeast) of him. It would be better if we get some pictures taken in a row.
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Indeed but when you look at the shadow of the car you see it moved a bit. But the rest of the picture is way better i'll try to do some tests of my own tommorow afternoon.

You could try Vignette, it's in the market. Camera app replacement. There is a free demo available
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@ all the owners:
Could you please test the camera with photos and videos and finally clarify once forever these ''mist problems'' ?
Just if its possible to fix with some software adjustments or its an hardware problem...
Thanks

Ah... yeah I really hate that "mist-effect" too. It's the main reason why I'm considering Not buying the 2X and wait for 3D and hope that they've fixed that issue...
I read a review on phonearena.com and they showed a colorfilter called "vivid" which increased the contrast quite alot. That fixed the "mist" problem but then I think the contrast is a bit too high there. But definitely MUCH better.
Anyone know if it's possible to adjust the contrast in the cam app?

Lumix90 said:
Ah... yeah I really hate that "mist-effect" too. It's the main reason why I'm considering Not buying the 2X and wait for 3D and hope that they've fixed that issue...
I read a review on phonearena.com and they showed a colorfilter called "vivid" which increased the contrast quite alot. That fixed the "mist" problem but then I think the contrast is a bit too high there. But definitely MUCH better.
Anyone know if it's possible to adjust the contrast in the cam app?
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I've seen some pics taken with the 3D, also has the same problemm

LG know there's an issue with the auto settings. And as you can see, if you set it up manually the pictures are just fine. So just wait for a small update, and the issue will be fixed....No biggie really, and defo not HW related.

Pitbull09 said:
the difference on these two pictures could also be, that on manual setting the sun is behind (southeast) him and on auto setting the sun is infront (northeast) of him. It would be better if we get some pictures taken in a row.
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I took the pictures, so let me nip that in the bud.
The pictures were taken in north eastern direction and indeed there is some difference in time when I took them (1st auto settings: 13:00 and 2nd manual setting 14:30). But there was no sunlight directly in the lens and I used my hand to drop a shadow. Before I took both photos I cleaned the lens cover thoroughly.
As supported by other users: the automatic settings tend to overexpose and the automatic white balance is just miles off. I am sure LG will fix this in a future update and otherwise I'll just keep setting it up manually as I do with my dslr.

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otherwise I'll just keep setting it up manually as I do with my dslr.
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can you tell us which settings you changed and to what you changed it?
because from my opinion it does make a good improvement to the auto settings.
thx in advance

To make photo quality better and less blurred - just turn "Stabilization" - "Off".
But it's make sense only for photo mode, video still no solution.

mikeymika said:
can you tell us which settings you changed and to what you changed it?
because from my opinion it does make a good improvement to the auto settings.
thx in advance
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I didn't do more than change the white balance to "sunlight" and underexpose two stops. The under/over -expose function is the "+/-" -sign in the first menu when you press the screen in camera mode. Under exposing is only recommended on a bright day. The biggest improvment is the whitebalance, stay away from the "automatic" -setting.
I am very impressed by all the camera setup options on this phone!

And what about the video? Are they fine?

Hi
I have ordered the 2x and uses a Desire now.
It had the same problem initially.
After first removing the grease (from production) on the lens and on the backside of the protective plastic, the pictures was fully useable.
Later on I removed the easy scratched protective plastic altogether and problem solved.

runeo said:
Hi
I have ordered the 2x and uses a Desire now.
It had the same problem initially.
After first removing the grease (from production) on the lens and on the backside of the protective plastic, the pictures was fully useable.
Later on I removed the easy scratched protective plastic altogether and problem solved.
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Can it be removed easily?

Miracle1980 said:
And what about the video? Are they fine?
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I haven't tried out video yet, but it uses the same setup options. So my guess is that video suffers from the same issues with automatic white balance.
morckx said:
Can it be removed easily?
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If I understand the post correctly, he was refering to the HTC Desire.

MLMNewBreed said:
If I understand the post correctly, he was refering to the HTC Desire.
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Just try to clean the lens to begin with, and inspect the protection!

[PHOTOS] Post Your Pictures and Videos & Share Your 4.4.1 I mean 4.4.2 experiences!

[PHOTOS] Post Your Pictures and Videos & Share Your 4.4.1 I mean 4.4.2 experiences!
Post your Nexus 5 photos, videos, bugs and camera experiences!
Nexus 5 Camera Specifications:
8MP Sony CMOS IMX179 sensor (3264 x 2448 max resolution)
1/3.2" sensor area, 1.4μm sensor pixels
F2.4 aperture, 4mm focal length (35mm equivalent: 30.4mm)
Optical image stabilization (InvenSense IDG-2020 dual-axis gyroscope, same as LG G2)
Front facing camera: 1.3MP 1/6" Aptina MT9M114B CMOS sensor
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Looks promising
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First off, the second pic...wow!!
These look amazing! If the new Nexus had this quality, I'd be one happy camper! The rest is gravy!

I just hope it is better than the one on Nexus 4 as that one is pretty bad.
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AppReviewBros said:
I just hope it is better than the one on Nexus 4 as that one is pretty bad.
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But better than the galaxy nexus, that's for sure! :laugh:

BoneXDA said:
Nexus 4 sensor specs (rumor at this point):
8MP Sony CMOS IMX179
1.4μm sensor pixels
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I think you meant 5.

Nathan-NL said:
I think you meant 5.
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could go either way at this point... N4 2013!
nice pics though, hard to tell how they stack up without comparing to other cams though. Also while the sensor seems solid we know nothing about the N5 optic stack which is just as important if not more so.

Great pics, but there's a lot of noise on that blue sky.
Indoor shots have surprisingly low noise though.

if it looks as good as in those shots, it's a must buy. especially if it's priced at $299

Apoxx said:
Great pics, but there's a lot of noise on that blue sky.
Indoor shots have surprisingly low noise though.
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There's some noise due to welcomed minimal post-processing, but it's uniform not color, which is good news. The IMX179 does pretty well up to ISO 400, from ISO640 and above of course noise becomes significant (still uniform). Then again; I'd put it around the iPhone 5 level which is more than satisfying. Hoping for the same F2.0 lens on the Nex5.
Low light MX3 shots:

BoneXDA said:
There's some noise due to welcomed minimal post-processing, but it's uniform not color, which is good news. The IMX179 does pretty well up to ISO 400, from ISO640 and above of course noise becomes significant (still uniform). Then again, I'd put it around the iPhone 5 level which is more than satisfying. Hoping for the same F2.0 lens on the Nex5.
Low light MX3 shots:
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OMG! i want this camera now!!!

Even those low-light shots looks promising
Is that due to the OIS thingy that the camera has? (Not even quite sure what it means / how it works)

ranadylt said:
Even those low-light shots looks promising
Is that due to the OIS thingy that the camera has? (Not even quite sure what it means / how it works)
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OIS stands for optical image stabilization, but as far as I can tell, the Meizu MX3 doesn't have it, nor do I expect the Nexus 5 to be packed with it. That's a nice area to cut corners. The MX3 pulls these shots cause of the nice Sony BSI sensor, wide F2.0 lens and long exposure time. There's also a lot of noise looking at full size shots at and above ISO800, but results do deliver really nice color accuracy (relative to mobile phones).

Very good photos, nexus 5 would be great

I don´t understand why but my Xperia arc have already an exmor sensor with 1.4μm but when i put the photos at 100% they are much worse than that. Maybe software related?

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I don´t understand why but my Xperia arc have already an exmor sensor with 1.4μm but when i put the photos at 100% they are much worse than that. Maybe software related?
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I also have an arc s, and photo quality depens not only by megapixel but also by lens and software related.
Certainly the lens and the sensors of the mx3 are better, but also the software do his job (have you noticed that photos with a stock-based rom with ics are better than photos with jelly bean?)

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OIS stands for optical image stabilization, but as far as I can tell, the Meizu MX3 doesn't have it, nor do I expect the Nexus 5 to be packed with it. That's a nice area to cut corners. The MX3 pulls these shots cause of the nice Sony BSI sensor, wide F2.0 lens and long exposure time. There's also a lot of noise looking at full size shots at and above ISO800, but results do deliver really nice color accuracy (relative to mobile phones).
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According to the N5 log leak, repair manual leak and the recent leak on the Italian blog it does have OIS. So thats promising! Heres to hoping the OIS makes it to production.

can6rxw said:
First off, the second pic...wow!!
These look amazing! If the new Nexus had this quality, I'd be one happy camper! The rest is gravy!
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Are there not girls in Canada or something? Whats special about that picture?

Cronis said:
According to the N5 log leak, repair manual leak and the recent leak on the Italian blog it does have OIS. So thats promising! Heres to hoping the OIS makes it to production.
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That is just a draft, much of the information was copied over from the Nexus 4. Since "OIS camra" is keep being mentioned, my guess is that at the time of making that draft, the camera unit was not yet decided, otherwise it would state it's product number. I do wish we'd get an OIS snapper, but don't find it very realistic. They always cut the price at camera first. With that said, the IMX179 would be a step-up from the current sensor.

I'm not to worried about the camera it's the camera app that worries me. Hopefully it's not a slouch this time and includes 60fps at 1080p
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So... Bsi sensor bleeding

Reminiscent of the HTC one it seems that my unit has a blue bleed onto the sensor from the backside illumination. Look up the m7 low light issues. They get worse over time so I'm thinking what will happen is it starts out very mild as it is now and gets significantly worse as time progresses. Here is an example.
You really have to look for it to see it. Crank up brightness and such. When taking low light photos the outer parts must be dark. But really this bs from a flagship. I'll be returning this phone. LG g3 here I come no more bs knox!

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Reminiscent of the HTC one it seems that my unit has a blue bleed onto the sensor from the backside illumination. Look up the m7 low light issues. They get worse over time so I'm thinking what will happen is it starts out very mild as it is now and gets significantly worse as time progresses. Here is an example.
You really have to look for it to see it. Crank up brightness and such. When taking low light photos the outer parts must be dark. But really this bs from a flagship. I'll be returning this phone. LG g3 here I come no more bs knox!
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why do you need black pictures anyways?

NuclearEMP said:
why do you need black pictures anyways?
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I don't care for black photos. You completely missed the point. If it's anything like how the HTC one m7 sensors were it starts out so small
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Then clearly progresses into a full blown bad sensor. Looks like you completely missed my point of find it now, see if it's a widespread issue like the m7, track it to see if it gets worse, and fix it under warranry or replace if it's within return period like me. Above was my wife's htc one she never sent in(otterbox) next to an htc one we sent in and got back with a good sensor.

So it only gets worse... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2595534 and the main reference http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317507
Again I only made this thread because this is exactly how my wife's m7 started before it turned horrid. I played xcom on my phone which made it pretty hot for extended periods and ad the first thread states apparently gets worse with heat.

made a mistake using image shack.
heres a better look

darkfangex5 said:
made a mistake using image shack.
heres a better look
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That looks more like noise from really high ISO to me.

Looks kinda like noise to me too
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declan8888 said:
Looks kinda like noise to me too
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I was thinking the same thing

I made a test taking a picture with the lights off and the phone agains my bed.
ISO 100 --> a very nice black photo
Auto ISO (a very high ISO, i can't remember the value, but it's extremely high) --> you can see at the center of the photo a perfect black, but in the corners you can see some purple tint. It looks like noise, but it's a strange behavior that just the corners are affected.

why is it assumed that since you have the faulty sensor thats just how the S5 was made. maybe you have a faulty device and it needs excahnged. try a second device and see how it is. if its similar thgen this maybe an issue. but one thing from one device isnt "bs from a flagship device"

It gets worse if you enable picture stabilization. Mine has quite a bit in low light, but as FarKeld noted, it all goes away at low iso settings.

with picture stabilization ISO goes up to 2000
btw: I'm getting an annoying error "Unfortunately, Gallery has stopped" every time I try to see my photos

FarKeld said:
with picture stabilization ISO goes up to 2000
btw: I'm getting an annoying error "Unfortunately, Gallery has stopped" every time I try to see my photos
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Try wiping your gallery and media storage data (via Settings). I had the same issue with Gallery and this fixed it.

emuX said:
Try wiping your gallery and media storage data (via Settings). I had the same issue with Gallery and this fixed it.
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it was a corrupted file, I deleted it and now the gallery works good

I Just realized how apparent it is in low light video. I guess it was iso noise or no picture at all.

Disable Face Focus Front Camera?

Hello
Is there anyway to stop the front camera only focusing on faces? I take a lot of product photos where I hold the product up to the camera with myself behind. The camera won't focus on the product, always my face, no matter how far back I am or how much of the product is in shot. It could 80/20 product/me and the camera will still lock onto my face. It's really annoying.

Seaniselectric said:
Hello
Is there anyway to stop the front camera only focusing on faces? I take a lot of product photos where I hold the product up to the camera with myself behind. The camera won't focus on the product, always my face, no matter how far back I am or how much of the product is in shot. It could 80/20 product/me and the camera will still lock onto my face. It's really annoying.
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Maybe you are just using Portrait mode. Just untoggle the symbol on the left or switch to Photo Mode.

Would be nice to be able to disable the automatic face recognition as well so you can take more natural selfies..

Don't use portrait mode. It's really screwy with extra faces at different distances too.
Just switch to photo mode.
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Portrait then photo mode.
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Seaniselectric said:
Hello
Is there anyway to stop the front camera only focusing on faces? I take a lot of product photos where I hold the product up to the camera with myself behind. The camera won't focus on the product, always my face, no matter how far back I am or how much of the product is in shot. It could 80/20 product/me and the camera will still lock onto my face. It's really annoying.
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Hmm, maybe due to the fact that this camera does NOT have auto focus on the selfie cam? [emoji39]
It's a fixed focus cam[emoji16]
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thanito said:
Hmm, maybe due to the fact that this camera does NOT have auto focus on the selfie cam? [emoji39]
It's a fixed focus cam[emoji16]
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This.
The phone focuses from about 20cm to infinity, with best focus between 30-50cm.
In photography its called zonal focusing, a technique used with fixed aperture settings.
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orangecroc said:
This.
The phone focuses from about 20cm to infinity, with best focus between 30-50cm.
In photography its called zonal focusing, a technique used with fixed aperture settings.
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True... To be honest, I think that this is a big minus for this phone. We are talking about a 2018 flagship with EXCELLENT photo capabilities in the main camera and great specs overall and I think it's a pitty that Huawei did not put an af front camera, but thank god I hate selfies and I love photography, being a slr freak for the last 15 years, so this phone suits me at least. ??
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thanito said:
True... To be honest, I think that this is a big minus for this phone. We are talking about a 2018 flagship with EXCELLENT photo capabilities in the main camera and great specs overall and I think it's a pitty that Huawei did not put an af front camera, but thank god I hate selfies and I love photography, being a slr freak for the last 15 years, so this phone suits me at least. ??
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Same here. I tend to use the rear camera with the volume down shutter release if I must take a selfie.
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I want myself in the back, soft focus reaching toward the camera with the product so you can read the bottle label. You can't do this with the front camera on this phone it would appear. Like someone mentioned, it's a fixed focus, and you have to be quite far back to focus in.
This isn't possible with front camera is it? - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFn_nJ4UwAAxhjv.jpg

Seaniselectric said:
I want myself in the back, soft focus reaching toward the camera with the product so you can read the bottle label. You can't do this with the front camera on this phone it would appear. Like someone mentioned, it's a fixed focus, and you have to be quite far back to focus in.
This isn't possible with front camera is it? - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFn_nJ4UwAAxhjv.jpg
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Νope, unfortunately ain't possible and will never change due to hardware...
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Use the rear camera instead, it produces better photos anyway.
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Portrait then photo mode. View attachment 4530850View attachment 4530851
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organcecroc, you showed 2 selfie photos seamingly taken with your Huawei P20 Pro. Were those 2 pictures taken from the front camera or the back camera?
Because your second photo in Photo mode, with sharp background is totally impossible with my P20 Pro; I always get unsharp background...
IF you took the photos with the selfie camera, how did you manage to get the background that sharp? Just selecting the Photo-mode (instead of the Portrait-mode) did not do the trick for me...

DaveCool said:
organcecroc, you showed 2 selfie photos seamingly taken with your Huawei P20 Pro. Were those 2 pictures taken from the front camera or the back camera?
Because your second photo in Photo mode, with sharp background is totally impossible with my P20 Pro; I always get unsharp background...
IF you took the photos with the selfie camera, how did you manage to get the background that sharp? Just selecting the Photo-mode (instead of the Portrait-mode) did not do the trick for me...
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I used the rear camera.
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Mi 10 Ultra - dimensions needed to clear the ultrawide lens field of view.

FYI, on the Mi 10 Ultra, this should be the clearance you will need to have for phone clamps and gimbals if you don't want them to appear in the shot of the ultrawide camera.
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Phone clamps will have to be mounted off-center to the right.
It's possible that the only way to mount this in a gimbal without getting part of the clamp or gimbal in the shot would likely be to use a tray-style gimbal (not a clamp style ie. DJI Osmo 2/3, Zhiyun Smooth X, Hohem iSteady X, etc.) with a way to offset the phone or add counterweights.
I'm eager to hear about personal experiences with gimbals on this phone though!

We still don't know if the geometric center is the center of gravity though. I wonder if the battery weight could move the center of gravity away from the camera system.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.

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We still don't know if the geometric center is the center of gravity though. I wonder if the battery weight could move the center of gravity away from the camera system.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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The geometric center is almost assuredly not the center of gravity. Most every other phone has the center of gravity towards the charging port (right side in the diagram) but the huge problems with the Mi 10 Ultra are that:
- The ultrawide lens is the lens closest to the center of the phone, which is an incredibly stupid thing for Xiaomi to do. They've done the same on the Mi 9 and other Mi 10 phones as well, so this isn't new or special for Xiaomi. It's a dumb design flaw that has persisted across multiple iterations of their phones.
- The ultrawide lens is the widest ultrawide on any smartphone right now.
- Any infringement on the ultrawide will be occurring on the horizontal side of videos shot in landscape orientation, so you don't be able to crop in without losing a ton of resolution and field of view.

You see why I'm interested in:
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So, 8k on every lens except for the 2x?
Any info on the bitrate, fps, manual mode for 8k?
Do you think the phone could be balanced on a gimbal and UW be used in 8k?
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And we're back to my solution - shooting in 8k UW, zooming, cropping and producing 4k.
Probably not the best for anyone but I'm currently working that way. Using a phone as a B cam, shooting in 4k and cropping but, as you can imagine, quality is far from perfect.
That's why I so hope Mi 10 ultra shoots high quality UW 8k and gives me some control over the process.

neverthemore said:
You see why I'm interested in:
And we're back to my solution - shooting in 8k UW, zooming, cropping and producing 4k.
Probably not the best for anyone but I'm currently working that way. Using a phone as a B cam, shooting in 4k and cropping but, as you can imagine, quality is far from perfect.
That's why I so hope Mi 10 ultra shoots high quality UW 8k and gives me some control over the process.
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8k is not available on the ultrawide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/com...c2qct?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I have been using this for a week and had no problems with it. Exaggeration that u need to hold it awkwardly or fingers will be in the viewfinder.

Thanks for the clarification. Did you try to mount it in a gimbal and shooting UW?

neverthemore said:
Thanks for the clarification. Did you try to mount it in a gimbal and shooting UW?
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I don't have the phone, but just by looking at the measurements I can't imagine how any gimbal could work on this with the ultrawide. If it's not the clamp and roll motor immediately getting into the view, the tilt motor probably would.
I'm also unable to find any videos shot on YouTube with the ultrawide and a gimbal for any of the previous Xiaomi phones with their ultrawide in a similar position on the phone.

I don't understand gimbals much because I never looked into them but based on the above info: when you need a gimbal, would it be possible to attach a removable lead or iron weight to the bottom of the phone to bring the center of gravity way towards that end?

Impossible to use with a gimbal
I bought the mi 10 ultra due to the wider opening angle of the market in wide camera. I tested all the shooting modes and in all of them there is a specific phone stabilization system EXCEPT the video made with the wide camera, which makes the use of the gimbal mandatory if you want a stable video. But the wide camera is in the MIDDLE of the device, that is, the arm and the motor of the gimbal cover all the video on the right side of the scene. Some users are saying to crop the video, but crop videos do not require the gimbal, yet if you want to use it, the gimbal still appears.

mfmach said:
I bought the mi 10 ultra due to the wider opening angle of the market in wide camera. I tested all the shooting modes and in all of them there is a specific phone stabilization system EXCEPT the video made with the wide camera, which makes the use of the gimbal mandatory if you want a stable video. But the wide camera is in the MIDDLE of the device, that is, the arm and the motor of the gimbal cover all the video on the right side of the scene. Some users are saying to crop the video, but crop videos do not require the gimbal, yet if you want to use it, the gimbal still appears.
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Which gimbal are you using??