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Well, THAT happened 10 hours ago........
The launch for the S5 came and my enjoyment faded pretty quickly. You can see from my track record in my signature that I've been a pretty loyal customer of Samsung for quite some time now, and this may be the first Galaxy launch that I won't have a pre-order in the system. Other than stepping away from the Galaxy line to pick up the Atrix 4G, the first mass produced phone with a fingerprint scanner, coincidentally, I've enjoyed only Samsung phones for the last 4 years. The "premium version" of the S5 was supposed to be 5th in line, what with the 20MP camera, metal body, G-Note 3 battery size, 5.25" screen - you've seen it all and read it all, it didn't show up today. Now unless Samsung is about to pull the biggest stunt they've ever pulled, the Unpacked5 event is in the books and we're not getting anything more than what we got today.
Is there any positive that came out of this event? Sure! USB 3.0 is a big thing for me as I have lots of 3.0 gear and want that from my next phone, it's dust and water resistant, cool fingerprint scanner providing it works flawlessly unlike the one on the iThing, updated TouchWiz which (try not to judge) I actually like a little bit, the wearables, the bigger focus on health, better processor, camera, and connectivity, but then comes the let downs, especially for S4 owners. Same 1080p screen at almost the same size, same 2GB of memory, almost the exact same front camera, soon to be the same OS (again, I like TW so I'm sticking it out on 4.3 until the TW 4.4.2 comes out), same plastic body that I don't necessarily mind, but would have appreciated a little change other than just putting dimples in the back cover, and probably worst of all to me, they're offering it in a 16GB format again after what they just did to us who pre-ordered and / or early adopted the S4, sticking us with next to nothing for internal space because they believe everyone has kids and needs to have likely a ton of space dedicated to a kid mode with pre-installed games and crap. I'm single and not looking for that anytime soon!!! It's like they claimed to listen to their customers but only those who are married, have children, want a "modern glam look," whatever the hell that means, and work out enough to bring their phone with them while exercising!
Damn that's a lot of negatives so far. So what can Samsung do between now and launch to earn my money short of releasing their ultra premium version that was supposed to exist but doesn't, and calling this one the S5 Neo? Let's take a look, and please, feel free to help me add to this list!
Ship the phone with an unlocked bootloader - I know, fat chance, right? But if you don't want people complaining about lack of storage, let us kill it off as we see fit! I also know it isn't up to Samsung on this, the carriers are the ones being douchebags about it, but Samsung put their foot down with them previously by stopping them from dictating all the individual revisions when they launched the SIII, making them all the same shape and size, so why can't they force their hand on this in the sake of making even the smallest group of their customers happy - those that truly use the phone for what it was meant for!
Negate the 16GB version - this is obvious, why the hell is this even a thing anymore with Samsung.... just get rid of it if you're not going to slim down this ridiculously large ROM of yours! Ship with the 32GB at minimum and announce the 64GB as well. iThings do this as a standard now, and while iSheep love to keep their music on their device and we have this little thing called external storage and another little thing called Google Music, we don't have to, but seriously, cut the crap and ditch the 16GB model!
Allow us to remove certain features we just aren't going to use, EVER - as I stated already, I don't have kids and don't need a Kids Mode. If you aren't going to let us root the thing AND aren't going to launch it with more than 16GB, let me get rid of the damn Kids Mode. Or the health features. Or anything else I decide useless or unnecessary. When looking at pics of the camera settings on the S5, I'm able to download more features as I see fit - why not make some of this crap downloadable and not don't ship it with the device? Why not make an Aroma-like installer when you first boot it and say "hey, would you like all of this crap or just some of it?" like any PC software does when it installs something - Typical or Custom installation. Sounds like I'm asking for a lot here, but really, I'm asking to not be forced a lot that I really won't use. And before you comment that if I don't need it, don't buy it in the first place, there are so many things I love about my S4 and TouchWiz that I'm not planning to part with in order to have "a phone," my N7 has a purpose and it isn't so I can keep the screen on when I need it just by looking at it. It does great for playing movies on a trip but not for letting me change the channel of my big TV when I want to watch a blockbuster movie....
Ship with at least the S805 processor for crying out loud - if you're not going to blow us away with something new and powerful, at least ship it with the very latest processor this time from Qualcomm. The 800 has been out for months, the 801 is obviously an incremental update over the 800, and the 805 isn't that much better, but at least give us the goods instead of just going along with the same processor found in the N5 and G-Note 3. I don't think we've heard which one for sure will be included, but from what I've read, so far they say it's the 800 or the 801. EDIT - it's the 801, confirmed by Qualcomm....
Include wireless charging in the box - I shouldn't have to say this, wireless charging is now old technology, the SIII had the capability but not the attention or love needed for Samsung to just release the official cover, the S4 cover took 3 months to post online for sale, and with all the competition shipping their phones with it included, why aren't we able to get it without paying $50+ for it? I used a 50% off coupon to get it for $25, but that's $25 more than I should have spent after being let down on a promise that the SIII was supposed to be able to do it on a phone with nearly useless internal storage....
Sell us some legit accessories this time, namely a car dock - I'm always impressed when people recognize me from my review on the only working car dock for the S4 since Samsung decided to screw around with the whole thing and make my Infuse dock useless. It worked on the Skyrocket and SIII, and would have fit the S4 except it wasn't possible to get the thing working properly by charging and outputting dock audio on it, so it's collecting dust in a box right now. Sure, I get it, you want to sell me something new instead of letting me use the same one for my last phone, and that's different than what you are doing (or didn't do?) with the wireless charging cover, but in this situation, you're not even selling me one! The S4 sold tens of millions of devices, did you stop and think that maybe ONE of them would be going in a car and being used for playing music or navigating that owner safely from one place to another?
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That's all I got for now, I'm sure we can come up with more and while I highly doubt Samsung is listening to people like me, one of their 200M customers (I'd like to think I counted 4 times for buying 4 iterations of the Galaxy line), there's always a chance someone is listening. I bet they'll listen when they're trying to figure out why the sales figures are going to be monumentally lower this go-round, that's for sure!!!
A note to fanboys of all kinds, Samsung, HTC, Nokia, iThing, etc - let's keep it clean here, please. You haven't heard me bash anyone else here, even Samsung really, so please don't get this thread locked on me. I'm sure you have witty comments like Nokia and HTC have today, with their "Samesung," "Buyers Remose," and even the most original ones like telling me that you're disappointed or this phone is ugly.... As if we haven't seen those comments before. Be original if Samsung isn't, post something relevant to the discussion if you're going to post at all! I don't waste my time on writing this stuff to insult others, so don't do it to insult me. If you were never considering buying it, you don't have any reason to comment on here because nothing you're going to say will come across as helpful to myself or others. If you were considering buying it or even, dare I say switching from another brand, or actually will be buying this phone - let's discuss intelligently your reasons why!
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FM radio..
In Slovenia in past month we have major electric blackdown becouse of mother nature - no internet no nothing.. but FM radio did work.. on my S2 I could still listen what is happening, but on newer device.. bljah.. must have tool which cost them 1 euro cent per device..
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I agree with all you say. Particularly about wireless charging, and accessories which get launched with fanfare and then never see the light of day. The other thing they could do is to put one of the new gear items in the box too. That would be a good sweetener. Lol.
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NO KNOX!!! Or forget about Custom ROMs and warranty.
redzion said:
FM radio..
In Slovenia in past month we have major electric blackdown becouse of mother nature - no internet no nothing.. but FM radio did work.. on my S2 I could still listen what is happening, but on newer device.. bljah.. must have tool which cost them 1 euro cent per device..
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How do you know it doesn't ?
Two points here:
1. I see you are American, and that in the US the carriers **** in their customers' heads when it comes to freedom. The international S4 has an unlocked bootloader, it has been like that since the original S.
2. The Snapdragon 805 isn't available yet, sadly.
And why isn't 2GB of RAM enough? I have 300+ apps here, 9 accounts syncing and available RAM never goes below 700MB.
I'm going to point something out to everyone here that wants Samsung to get rid of security features such as locked bootloaders or Knox.
We are the minority. Do you Expect Samsung to tailor to us and risk the average consumer's information and safety so people can run an AOSP build or a custom kernel?
Ship the phone with an unlocked bootloader - I know, fat chance, right? But if you don't want people complaining about lack of storage, let us kill it off as we see fit! I also know it isn't up to Samsung on this, the carriers are the ones being douchebags about it, but Samsung put their foot down with them previously by stopping them from dictating all the individual revisions when they launched the SIII, making them all the same shape and size, so why can't they force their hand on this in the sake of making even the smallest group of their customers happy - those that truly use the phone for what it was meant for!
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While I'm not excusing the US carriers for doing this, but why do you think they try to steer people away from rooting and unlocking the bootloader? People mess up, brick their phone, and then try to do a warranty claim on them. They're protecting their profits, and as a business you cannot blame them for that. Anyone else here would do the same thing to retain profits. And what do you mean "use the phone for what it was meant for?" The phone is meant to be a mobile multimedia cellular device, which in fact still does on the software it ships with no problem.
Negate the 16GB version - this is obvious, why the hell is this even a thing anymore with Samsung.... just get rid of it if you're not going to slim down this ridiculously large ROM of yours! Ship with the 32GB at minimum and announce the 64GB as well. iThings do this as a standard now, and while iSheep love to keep their music on their device and we have this little thing called external storage and another little thing called Google Music, we don't have to, but seriously, cut the crap and ditch the 16GB model!
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I do agree with this, I don't see too much point of the 16gb version. Still at least gives you a start of 10gb of storage at least.
Allow us to remove certain features we just aren't going to use, EVER - as I stated already, I don't have kids and don't need a Kids Mode. If you aren't going to let us root the thing AND aren't going to launch it with more than 16GB, let me get rid of the damn Kids Mode. Or the health features. Or anything else I decide useless or unnecessary. When looking at pics of the camera settings on the S5, I'm able to download more features as I see fit - why not make some of this crap downloadable and not don't ship it with the device? Why not make an Aroma-like installer when you first boot it and say "hey, would you like all of this crap or just some of it?" like any PC software does when it installs something - Typical or Custom installation. Sounds like I'm asking for a lot here, but really, I'm asking to not be forced a lot that I really won't use. And before you comment that if I don't need it, don't buy it in the first place, there are so many things I love about my S4 and TouchWiz that I'm not planning to part with in order to have "a phone," my N7 has a purpose and it isn't so I can keep the screen on when I need it just by looking at it. It does great for playing movies on a trip but not for letting me change the channel of my big TV when I want to watch a blockbuster movie....
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You can disable features you don't need. But just because you decide a feature you think is useless or unnecessary, does not translate to everyone else will think this too. I like the kids mode feature, I've got kids and nephews that get my phone somehow all the time.(Anyone with kids can attest to that too! ) I'm sure people will love this feature.
Ship with at least the S805 processor for crying out loud - if you're not going to blow us away with something new and powerful, at least ship it with the very latest processor this time from Qualcomm. The 800 has been out for months, the 801 is obviously an incremental update over the 800, and the 805 isn't that much better, but at least give us the goods instead of just going along with the same processor found in the N5 and G-Note 3. I don't think we've heard which one for sure will be included, but from what I've read, so far they say it's the 800 or the 801.
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This is Qualcomm's area right here, ARM cpus are following the development of x86 cpus. Meaning it's reached a point now where development for ARM cores is slowing down, tremendously. We probably won't see any groundbreaking ARM cpu's come out for maybe at least a year or so now, took x86 cpus years to show good and cost effective performance gains.
Include wireless charging in the box - I shouldn't have to say this, wireless charging is now old technology, the SIII had the capability but not the attention or love needed for Samsung to just release the official cover, the S4 cover took 3 months to post online for sale, and with all the competition shipping their phones with it included, why aren't we able to get it without paying $50+ for it? I used a 50% off coupon to get it for $25, but that's $25 more than I should have spent after being let down on a promise that the SIII was supposed to be able to do it on a phone with nearly useless internal storage....
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Now you're just being greedy.
Sell us some legit accessories this time, namely a car dock - I'm always impressed when people recognize me from my review on the only working car dock for the S4 since Samsung decided to screw around with the whole thing and make my Infuse dock useless. It worked on the Skyrocket and SIII, and would have fit the S4 except it wasn't possible to get the thing working properly by charging and outputting dock audio on it, so it's collecting dust in a box right now. Sure, I get it, you want to sell me something new instead of letting me use the same one for my last phone, and that's different than what you are doing (or didn't do?) with the wireless charging cover, but in this situation, you're not even selling me one! The S4 sold tens of millions of devices, did you stop and think that maybe ONE of them would be going in a car and being used for playing music or navigating that owner safely from one place to another?
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I do agree with this, but also at the same time there are 100s of other companies making accessories that Samsung does not make.
Samsung is not going to tailor the phone just for one person or a small group, they're doing it for what they believe are the best choices for their devices. Looking at their track record of the Galaxy line up, I'd say they've got it down pretty good.
Why do u need a 2k screen on a 5" device? It eats battery life, it bogs down cpu and gpu performance for something that your eyes can't notice. I cant even see a pixel on my s4.
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My wishlist for S5 -Premium
1. 5.2" inches screen in body-size of S4. It's not too hard if they look at LG G2.
2. Radio FM, and playable via loudspeaker.
3. Good camera in low light condition.
4. Smaller bezel, by aluminum.
5. QHD display.
6. Better performed in drop-test, maybe
7. Keep removable battery + external SDcard.
8. Snapdragon 805 or Exynos 64bit octa-cores.
9. Only 1 "main" international version, both have LTE-A, 4K video rec etc...
10. Wireless charging included.
11. Ram 3G
12. At least 32 GB internal memory, like Note 3.
13. Fingerprint inside screen.
14. Max brightness at 600nit, like Note3.
15. Flash Xenon for camera and flash led for Camcorder.
16. 120 fps video recording at 1080p
17. Not too heavy. <150g.
18. Clearer audio recording, noise reduction.
19. Stereo sound on louder speaker like HTC One.
20. A better earphone with improved DAC
21. Sapphire glass for screen and camera lens.
22. Dust and water resistant is good, but I hope it will not affect the bezels.
23. Remove Samsung logo in the front and rear. Just Galaxy.
24. Note 3 fake leather still better than this S5C, or aluminum body.
25. Working, interchangeable for S-pen or any stylus pen, docking, etc
26. Front camera 5MP, rear 18MP
27. Hot plugged battery, SIM and microSD card without restart phone.
28. Include an projector like Galaxy Beam
29. USB 3.1
30. Removable and downloadable all bloatware, Knox, gesture...
31. 3000 mAh battery
32. New flat Touchwiz, it's still ugly.
33. Touchwiz fully runnable in ART and compatible with any pixel density.
34. Free lags, especially open the contacts/dialer must be faster.
35. Dual boot Android & WP, maybe triple with Ubuntu or GPE rom.
36. Update firmware at least 24 months, not like i9300.
37. Not too many versions in worldwide.
38. For some sharing features like Galaxy Beam, Samsung should share this app to works on other Android devices, (now we only have Android Beam).
The same for SS smart watch, smartTV....
39. Still support Adobe flash (it's not SS or GG obligation, but I hope it).
40. Improved airview and air gestures in smarter way than before (Example: hover finger on the links help user preview link, not zooming like now). Open the API for all the sensors function and support the developers to create much good app based on them.
dandroid13 said:
Two points here:
1. I see you are American, and that in the US the carriers **** in their customers' heads when it comes to freedom. The international S4 has an unlocked bootloader, it has been like that since the original S.
2. The Snapdragon 805 isn't available yet, sadly.
And why isn't 2GB of RAM enough? I have 300+ apps here, 9 accounts syncing and available RAM never goes below 700MB.
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When kitkat was being written all the engineers had to use a smart phone with only 512 mb of RAM.
This will be moot tho with TouchWiz which is the most bloated god awful software on Android. 2gb IS enough yet the s4 still suffered from lag.
With the newer processors not being available yet Samsung should have focused on design. They put zero effort into that. This will be their first flop in the galaxy line. And by flop I mean by their standards. It will still sell millions.
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When kitkat was being written all the engineers had to use a smart phone with only 512 mb of RAM.
This will be moot tho with TouchWiz which is the most bloated god awful software on Android. 2gb IS enough yet the s4 still suffered from lag.
With the newer processors not being available yet Samsung should have focused on design. They put zero effort into that. This will be their first flop in the galaxy line. And by flop I mean by their standards. It will still sell millions.
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I have minimal lag here, but even Nexus can lag, it's not just TW or Sense.
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Why do u need a 2k screen on a 5" device? It eats battery life, it bogs down cpu and gpu performance for something that your eyes can't notice. I cant even see a pixel on my s4.
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this is so true. people just want a better spec sheet not realizing going above 1080p will actually lower benchmarks particularly with the s800 and 801 being the only SoC available now. To get something you probably wont even notice you will be sacrificing just about everything else performance wise.
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I have minimal lag here, but even Nexus can lag, it's not just TW or Sense.
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Come on It was a pretty common bug on the s4. I have a Samsung tab note 10.1 and it lags considerably.
I've had numerous HTC phones over the years and sense has been toned down quite a bit. sense 3.0 was a system draining nightmare.
I really don't think you can compare a straight android ROM to A samsung rom and say with a straight face this makes no difference on performance or lag.
Just compare the size of a nexus 7 rom to any s4 rom.
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Come on It was a pretty common bug on the s4. I have a Samsung tab note 10.1 and it lags considerably.
I've had numerous HTC phones over the years and sense has been toned down quite a bit. sense 3.0 was a system draining nightmare.
I really don't think you can compare a straight android ROM to A samsung rom and say with a straight face this makes no difference on performance or lag.
Just compare the size of a nexus 7 rom to any s4 rom.
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Sure, the Note 10.1 is slow, but the problem isn't how light or heavy the ROM is, the lag happens because the Java-based Android Runtime isn't a optimized as iOS, for example.
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Sure, the Note 10.1 is slow, but the problem isn't how light or heavy the ROM is, the lag happens because the Java-based Android Runtime isn't a optimized as iOS, for example.
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It's actually dalvik at runtime. Dalvik virtual machine and kitkat is optimized quite well.
When you add a huge amount of code on top of that of course it will change the performance.
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fernando sor said:
It's actually dalvik at runtime. Dalvik virtual machine and kitkat is optimized quite well.
When you add a huge amount of code on top of that of course it will change the performance.
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Sure, but it'll never be as good as iOS or WP, sadly.
Anyway, here's a closer look at the new TW, and, you guys can kill me, but I really like it. http://www.phonearena.com/news/New-...z-what-changed-with-Samsungs-software_id53163
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Sure, but it'll never be as good as iOS or WP, sadly.
Anyway, here's a closer look at the new TW, and, you guys can kill me, but I really like it. http://www.phonearena.com/news/New-...z-what-changed-with-Samsungs-software_id53163
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Actually that's a matter of opinion. My nexus 7 2013 and HTC one run as well as any iOS device I've played with. And they're of course other factors such iOS locked down system, boring home screen, no widgets, tiny screen etc.
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Saw today a tweet from O2. 661 Euro. That is a lot of money. Think I have to pass.
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Saw today a tweet from O2. 661 Euro. That is a lot of money. Think I have to pass.
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Damn.
Hi All,
After learning that Oneplus were making the decision to announce and then launcher the (ok it's a nice phone) Oneplus 5T after just 5 months? I've never heard of that happen to a flagship which wasn't a complete failure and had as much going for it as the 5 does?
The Oneplus has pretty much disappeared from all locations where it was available, which means there can't be that many new devices out in the wild anymore if any at all, do you think if kept in decent condition that it could be something of a collectors item in the months / years to come? Maybe going a bit far with the collectors item thing but you know what i mean, like a niche piece of kit that you can't get hold of no more.
Just a thought, because unless people had the money or an upgrade in that time frame, it just wasn't going to be available and now it's gone?
Compared to the 3 and 3T the 5 and 5T are in a unique situation it's a slightly different form factor the finger print is on the front and it retains the capacitive non on screen buttons batterly life is every so slightly better than the 5T.
Everything else is the same so true I can definitely see a few anti 2:1 bezeless phone users prefer the one plus 5 form factor. Although i probably wouldn't go as far as to call it a collector's item. The main blemish on the OnePlus 5 is the jelly phone screen thing aside from that i can see a manufacturer offer both models and both selling reasonably well. With jelly phone screen i think it might skew to the newer phone, it doesn't bother me personally but I know there are people that see the affect all the time and that could get irritating. I on the other hand either don't see it or just got used to it.
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Hi All,
After learning that Oneplus were making the decision to announce and then launcher the (ok it's a nice phone) Oneplus 5T after just 5 months? I've never heard of that happen to a flagship which wasn't a complete failure and had as much going for it as the 5 does?
The Oneplus has pretty much disappeared from all locations where it was available, which means there can't be that many new devices out in the wild anymore if any at all, do you think if kept in decent condition that it could be something of a collectors item in the months / years to come? Maybe going a bit far with the collectors item thing but you know what i mean, like a niche piece of kit that you can't get hold of no more.
Just a thought, because unless people had the money or an upgrade in that time frame, it just wasn't going to be available and now it's gone?
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Cellphones dont work like that. Even the legendary device of the HD2 only goes down in price.Phones are not something to collect as unlike others things they are already outdated by the time we get our hands on them.
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Cellphones dont work like that. Even the legendary device of the HD2 only goes down in price.Phones are not something to collect as unlike others things they are already outdated by the time we get our hands on them.
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yea I know what you mean but have you ever heard of a phone off this caliber only bring readily available for 5 months?
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yea I know what you mean but have you ever heard of a phone off this caliber only bring readily available for 5 months?
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They did the same thing with the 3 and the 3t. If any were gonna be collectable it will be the stars wars version or the other limited versions of the device and even then the price will still go down.
As for caliber of device. It is still a mid range device really. Nothing too special.
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Compared to the 3 and 3T the 5 and 5T are in a unique situation it's a slightly different form factor the finger print is on the front and it retains the capacitive non on screen buttons batterly life is every so slightly better than the 5T.
Everything else is the same so true I can definitely see a few anti 2:1 bezeless phone users prefer the one plus 5 form factor. Although i probably wouldn't go as far as to call it a collector's item. The main blemish on the OnePlus 5 is the jelly phone screen thing aside from that i can see a manufacturer offer both models and both selling reasonably well. With jelly phone screen i think it might skew to the newer phone, it doesn't bother me personally but I know there are people that see the affect all the time and that could get irritating. I on the other hand either don't see it or just got used to it.
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yea don't see the jelly or what I do see didn't bother me..
Lol collectors item yea I know a bit much I did write that btw.
Point I'm making is, the release time was so small, now it's not being made no more, it's not even close to a year.
Any idea how many units were actually made?
A limited edition Zippo only has 250,000 made sometimes less, no how many they sold / made but it's definitely a niche phone now.
I would agree that cellphones don't work like that. When a new model is out, the previous one takes the "second hand status", in which people will be interested in, but only at a super low budget.
Then you have to keep in mind that OnePlus is an "unknown" brand. See all the reviews on specialist websites, all say it's so great but look around you, it's Samsung and Apple, cause people don't read that.
And if we think that OP phones are special for developpement community, also take a look at how people around us don't even change the default wallpaper that their phone had when they turned it on first time
To get back on subject, that's why it's actually terrible that OP releases a flagship so fast, it just kills the value of what we do have in a flash. And there are already rumours of the OP6 coming in march (and any rumour about One Plus phones is nearly always true).
Nice for those * silly * enough to go from 5 to 5T
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They did the same thing with the 3 and the 3t. If any were gonna be collectable it will be the stars wars version or the other limited versions of the device and even then the price will still go down.
As for caliber of device. It is still a mid range device really. Nothing too special.
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Mid range??
Maybe we base out caliber of device on something completely different, I personally go by performance and stamina, along with a few other things.
The Oneplus is not mid range, the Snapdragon 600 series devices are mid range, the Oneplus is 100% high tier, price no but performance and hardware yes.
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I would agree that cellphones don't work like that. When a new model is out, the previous one takes the "second hand status", in which people will be interested in, but only at a super low budget.
Then you have to keep in mind that OnePlus is an "unknown" brand. See all the reviews on specialist websites, all say it's so great but look around you, it's Samsung and Apple, cause people don't read that.
And if we think that OP phones are special for developpement community, also take a look at how people around us don't even change the default wallpaper that their phone had when they turned it on first time
To get back on subject, that's why it's actually terrible that OP releases a flagship so fast, it just kills the value of what we do have in a flash. And there are already rumours of the OP6 coming in march (and any rumour about One Plus phones is nearly always true).
Nice for those * silly * enough to go from 5 to 5T
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I agree, I'll not be getting the 6, it's HTC for me all day long from now on, unless something groundbreaking comes out, couldn't go for Sammy again, they're dead to me, their OS is just nasty now, doesn't even feel like android no more.
I know what you mean with their release timing, but I think they've overshot it here surely, 5 months? That's insane, and for a device which is over the mid range bracket at £507 with shipping? That's not cheap to only be told that in 5 months it can't be bought no more?
I dunno, I had a thought and thought I'd put it out there, collectors item no ok that was a bit far but definitely a niche product (popularity aside)
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I agree, I'll not be getting the 6, it's HTC for me all day long .....................
I dunno, I had a thought and thought I'd put it out there, collectors item no ok that was a bit far but definitely a niche product (popularity aside)
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Yeah.
And to add to those thoughts, one might buy let's say a Samsung Note 8. It cost twice the price of the OP 5T, but you get the top of your brand of choice for a year. If you try to do that with One Plus phones, that will cost you more than that over the same period.
And your Samsung will probably still have a great resell value...
I like OP phones, but to me, they are really doing a terrible thing to their fans here.
Oh well, let's see how it goes
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Mid range??
Maybe we base out caliber of device on something completely different, I personally go by performance and stamina, along with a few other things.
The Oneplus is not mid range, the Snapdragon 600 series devices are mid range, the Oneplus is 100% high tier, price no but performance and hardware yes.
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Yes mid range. Price means nothing where I am. It's all about the hardware for me a day one plus is always missing g a few things to put them in the top tier.
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Yes mid range. Price means nothing where I am. It's all about the hardware for me a day one plus is always missing g a few things to put them in the top tier.
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lol ok so HTC who always make a flag ship device which is always has been comparable in price to Samsung ( I'm assuming that's what you're comparing it to) HTC usually misses a few features out, LG again top tier, again missing things not in others, can't see your point mate.
I know what you're getting at but I disagree wholeheartedly.
The oneplus is anything but a mid range device and in many ways it's superior to flagships like the S8
more ram
more internal memory
faster CPU and better utilisation of said chipset, better use of battery and stamina than the S8 /S8+
dual cameras
fastest charging on the market
Where is the oneplus falling short?
SD slot? water proofing ? stereo speakers ? None of those features makes a high end device.
All of the other OEMs are missing the same things, not to mention that Oneplus listens a lot more than the other OEMs.
edit: anyway, this is moving off topic so I'm leaving this here, plus the topic probably want received how I intended it
Im not a massive fan of bezelless phones because there is less bezel to put your hands on .I also hate software buttons
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Im not a massive fan of bezelless phones because there is less bezel to put your hands on .I also hate software buttons
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So much this.
I hope this trend goes way when I need to buy a new phone a few years.
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Im not a massive fan of bezelless phones because there is less bezel to put your hands on .I also hate software buttons
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completely agree with both points
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So much this.
I hope this trend goes way when I need to buy a new phone a few years.
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it won't but the screen will evolve, the back of the phone had always been by majority unutilised, either way you can be sure that it'll never stay the same, things evolve or people get bored and even if we didn't, companies believe in evolving and ever changing so it'll happen in some way shape or form, hopefully for the better and not just for change.
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The Oneplus has pretty much disappeared from all locations where it was available, which means there can't be that many new devices out in the wild anymore if any at all, do you think if kept in decent condition that it could be something of a collectors item in the months / years to come? Maybe going a bit far with the collectors item thing but you know what i mean, like a niche piece of kit that you can't get hold of no more.
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wait.. what? :silly:
Collector's item? mate, you can't be serious. OnePlus 5 is a really nice phone but calling it a collector's item is seriously pushing it.
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hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?
I have the 8 gb ram version. You can absolutely settle for the 6 gb. I have great battery life compared to my old Note 8
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babak said:
hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?
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Man you don't even need 6gb.
Jammol said:
Man you don't even need 6gb.
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I always say "Get as much ram as you can get, computer, phone etc" Get as much as possible
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I always say "Get as much ram as you can get, computer, phone etc" Get as much as possible
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I feel you. How long you planning on keep the Note 9?
If it's going to be a 2-3 year device then absolutely get the 8gb, I would get it anyway, but seeing as you asked.....:silly:
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hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?
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I'd be less worried about the ram and more concerned with the storage. Do you pan on keeping the phone 1 year or 2? Capture a lot of video? If so, will a lot be 4k? Plan on using DEX?
If 128GB will serve you fine then save your money. If 512GB suits your needs better then by all means, get it. For the comments about RAM for a phone 6GB is plenty for this phone but would definitely see a tangible benefit if you use DEX. Also, if you have access to the expertise and resources, swapping out storage on a smartphone is much easier than swapping out RAM. It's not the hardest thing in the world to change your flash but it ain't easy and takes good eyesight and good hand eye coordination, not to mention the special hardware needed to get your phone flashed proper like from the factory.
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If it's going to be a 2-3 year device then absolutely get the 8gb, I would get it anyway, but seeing as you asked.....:silly:
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This ^^^^
In my case I always upgrade yearly, so wasn't worth it for me.
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hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?
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I went for the 8GB of RAM and waited 3 weeks past release day for it. The main reason I was set on the 8GB of RAM is because I had the S9+ which has 6GB of RAM and wanted to see if there was a difference and the only real reason to upgrade from the S9+ is the 8GB of RAM and larger battery, and I can tell you from personal experience I see NO DIFFERENCE in performance from the 6GB of RAM on the S9+ compared to the 8GB of RAM on the Note9 regarding how the phone performs. BUT I can tell you the battery life is superb on the Note9 compared to the S9+ and I love the larger screen. But your question was which RAM size, and I now I can without a shadow of doubt say 6GB of RAM and save yourself the extra $250.
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I feel you. How long you planning on keep the Note 9?
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year at the most probably. it has a lot to beat that the pixel 2 offers
I keep my devices till they die. I have one of the first Nexus 6p's and it is beyond dead so that's my only reason for upgrading. This is why i went 8gb in hopes to (somewhat/kinda) future proof myself.
Thanks guys, for me the storage volume of 512 GB does not make any sense and I prefer to use a micro sd that after every formatting does not delete everything copied the data stored.
If you say that between 6g of ram and 8gb there is not a substantial difference, then I take the 6gb and I hope that in view of future updates I do not regret.
You're not going to notice a performance difference unless you somehow figure out how to peg the RAM. RAM management in a smartphone and a computer are 2 totally different beasts. Where you might notice the difference though is the amount of apps you have open and how fast you can switch between apps instead of waiting for it to reload from storage. That is going to be the biggest benefit and probably not many of us will see it and that is a big difference, especially at how good Android is at multitasking. Plus two apps at once. And again, DEX probably has a noticeable difference with 2 extra GB handy.
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You're not going to notice a performance difference unless you somehow figure out how to peg the RAM. RAM management in a smartphone and a computer are 2 totally different beasts. Where you might notice the difference though is the amount of apps you have open and how fast you can switch between apps instead of waiting for it to reload from storage. That is going to be the biggest benefit and probably not many of us will see it and that is a big difference, especially at how good Android is at multitasking. Plus two apps at once. And again, DEX probably has a noticeable difference with 2 extra GB handy.
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for multitasking I find myself already very well with note8 (6gb ram), but the dilema is dex and check a pushed multitasking if it makes the difference, but I would like to be sure and not based only on the assumptions.
I have not tried myself as I don't have both versions. But on YouTube there are quite a few videos that show the 8GB version allows more apps to open. This has to be a huge plus especially if you end up using DEX a lot. I am still surprised at how useful Samsung made DEX. They turned Android into a very useful and friendly desktop experience. I don't have the itch yet, but am eager to see how well emulation works through DEX. That will be freaking awesome if no noticeable latency using a USB or Bluetooth controller.
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Thanks guys, for me the storage volume of 512 GB does not make any sense and I prefer to use a micro sd that after every formatting does not delete everything copied the data stored.
If you say that between 6g of ram and 8gb there is not a substantial difference, then I take the 6gb and I hope that in view of future updates I do not regret.
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4K 60 is recorded on internal storage. In fact I think it stores all 4k on internal. Not 100% sure though. Personally, 128gb fills up in around 3 months for me, so if you install lots of apps and games, and take lots of video, then 512gb is the way to go. It's never a good idea to rely only on SD surely. I haven't used an SD card in .. well.... 3 or 4 years.
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4K 60 is recorded on internal storage. In fact I think it stores all 4k on internal. Not 100% sure though. Personally, 128gb fills up in around 3 months for me, so if you install lots of apps and games, and take lots of video, then 512gb is the way to go. It's never a good idea to rely only on SD surely. I haven't used an SD card in .. well.... 3 or 4 years.
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Ok, but tell me this, every time you wip the phone if you do not make a backup first, you lose everything, so you explain to me what sense does it have a large storage if you also need to have a copy somewhere else?
for me it is simply ridiculous.
videos in 4k 60 also have a time limit, so I do not think that some videos create big files so they need a storage of the genre.
The only thing that interests me at the end is the ram.
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Ok, but tell me this, every time you wip the phone if you do not make a backup first, you lose everything, so you explain to me what sense does it have a large storage if you also need to have a copy somewhere else?
for me it is simply ridiculous.
videos in 4k 60 also have a time limit, so I do not think that some videos create big files so they need a storage of the genre.
The only thing that interests me at the end is the ram.
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I back up to my laptop, plenty of room there for storage. I also only wipe maybe once a year at best, when a problem occurs.
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I back up to my laptop, plenty of room there for storage. I also only wipe maybe once a year at best, when a problem occurs.
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even with my note8 I backup the computer, so what changes? only longer periods? no thanks.
We talk about ram and if price diffrence is justified.
as for the ram I do not find any tests on dex on the web
At the end of the day it comes down to you...
I personally, if I can afford it, get the biggest memory and RAM, simply due to prefering to having and not needing vs. needing and not having...
If you want to spend the extra $$$ then great otherwise don't. It can't hurt to have extra ram or storage and on my 8gb version I find DEX runs fine... It's more about heat than RAM... As the phone heats up I've had a few lags, but I use a 3rd party USB-c hub... Haven't played around with the dock as yet though I do have it...
So looking at the note 10 designs it looks like its going to have the hole punch. ( which I dont like)
At the moment the note 9 8gb version is on sale at £649. Trade in of my 6gb version will get me £340.
Is it worth the £309 price difference to get the extra ram and storage and the hybrid sim version bearing in mind I'm going to stick with the note 9 until at least the note 11?
Not in my opinion, I doubt you'd notice the extra ram that much and you could buy an SD card for much cheaper if you really needed extra storage.
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So looking at the note 10 designs it looks like its going to have the hole punch. ( which I dont like)
At the moment the note 9 8gb version is on sale at £649. Trade in of my 6gb version will get me £340.
Is it worth the £309 price difference to get the extra ram and storage and the hybrid sim version bearing in mind I'm going to stick with the note 9 until at least the note 11?
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In my opinion, it depends on what you do with your phone...
Do you play heavy games or daily basis activities?
If only daily basis activities (Email, Gmail, Word, Excel, Facebook, Reddit, Telegram or others) then 6GB would be enough, my opinion only.
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No, 6gb is enough
Save your money. Your existing note will be good until it dies. Companies keep adding minute changes to their "next flagships" to play with our minds to buy their new phones. They want your money is all it is. Keep your note 9. But it you have the extra cash then have at it.
I've had both and you absolutely cant tell a difference
Carlosmff said:
In my opinion, it depends on what you do with your phone...
Do you play heavy games or daily basis activities?
If only daily basis activities (Email, Gmail, Word, Excel, Facebook, Reddit, Telegram or others) then 6GB would be enough, my opinion only.
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That worked on you? You know it's all a gimmick right?
Jammol said:
That worked on you? You know it's all a gimmick right?
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Not sure why someone thinks the ram would effect game performance.. especially when going from 6gb to 8gb lol. I don't think most people know what ram really is or does honestly.
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Not sure why someone thinks the ram would effect game performance.. especially when going from 6gb to 8gb lol. I don't think most people know what ram really is or does honestly.
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Hum Does not affect games... right... well smart guy... please clarify us... and tell us what RAM is and how does this not affect games...
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Hum Does not affect games... right... well smart guy... please clarify us... and tell us what RAM is and how does this not affect games...
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Ram is random access memory and effects how many applications stay open in the background. If you're planning on running ten resource heavy games open at once maybe. Game performance would be much more heavily impacted by the GPU and CPU performance than by the amount of ram (which from 6 to 8gb would have no effect whatsoever I would guess). Unless you're planning on switching back and forth between two very intensive games I can't see why this would benefit you.
How about you instead tell me how it benefits game performance? Smart guy lol
I have 8/512 note 9, only reason is i need 2 things.. huuge storage and 2 sim cards...if no need for 2 sims i would get 6/128 and stick sd card inside
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Ram is random access memory and effects how many applications stay open in the background. If you're planning on running ten resource heavy games open at once maybe. Game performance would be much more heavily impacted by the GPU and CPU performance than by the amount of ram (which from 6 to 8gb would have no effect whatsoever I would guess). Unless you're planning on switching back and forth between two very intensive games I can't see why this would benefit you.
How about you instead tell me how it benefits game performance? Smart guy lol
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The current industry of smartphone tech reminds me of the PC age. Not to mention, when ram levels started increasing and folks kept closing out their background apps to "get the device to be faster." I still chuckle at those days.?
Jammol said:
The current industry of smartphone tech reminds me of the PC age. Not to mention, when ram levels started increasing and folks kept closing out their background apps to "get the device to be faster." I still chuckle at those days.?
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Or when they kept putting out higher and higher megapixel cameras because people thought megapixels = quality lol
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Or when they kept putting out higher and higher megapixel cameras because people thought megapixels = quality lol
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Manufacturers are trying to get us back to wanting more megapixels yet again; they got us hating bezels because our phone started to be good enough to keep for more than a year; they got us obsessed with the amount of RAM there is in our phones and how the CPU benchmarks. I've got a Note 9 and a Mi Max 3 and I honestly could happily use either of them day-to-day. Manufacturers in all industries have a duty to make us want to crave things, and they do a good job of it. To answer the question though - no the OP should not upgrade unless they have money to burn as RAM will have absolutely no difference on gaming performance or day-to-day performance - it's just a psychological up-sell to get people to get the 512GB model. Also did you really say you'd be effectively selling your Note for £349??
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Manufacturers are trying to get us back to wanting more megapixels yet again; they got us hating bezels because our phone started to be good enough to keep for more than a year; they got us obsessed with the amount of RAM there is in our phones and how the CPU benchmarks. I've got a Note 9 and a Mi Max 3 and I honestly could happily use either of them day-to-day. Manufacturers in all industries have a duty to make us want to crave things, and they do a good job of it. To answer the question though - no the OP should not upgrade unless they have money to burn as RAM will have absolutely no difference on gaming performance or day-to-day performance - it's just a psychological up-sell to get people to get the 512GB model. Also did you really say you'd be effectively selling your Note for £349??
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Yes that is the trade in price.
After reading lots of posts (as well as this one) about the 2 different models I'm going to stick with what I've got. I have a 256 sd card so I have plenty of storage and as regards ram unless your doing a speed test side by side I dont think I'm going to notice. I'm probably going to stick a sim only sim in September when my contract ends and hold out with the 9 until i either break it or something revolutionary comes out. Which i doubt.
Another thing that i think the 9 has in its favour is the fact that it DOES have a forehead and chin as when watching videos you dont cover any of the screen where as with a real edge to edge like the s10 and most probably the note 10 i think it will be an issue let alone the pesky hole punch!
Thanks for all the replies
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Or when they kept putting out higher and higher megapixel cameras because people thought megapixels = quality lol
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Yes that is the trade in price.
After reading lots of posts (as well as this one) about the 2 different models I'm going to stick with what I've got. I have a 256 sd card so I have plenty of storage and as regards ram unless your doing a speed test side by side I dont think I'm going to notice. I'm probably going to stick a sim only sim in September when my contract ends and hold out with the 9 until i either break it or something revolutionary comes out. Which i doubt.
Another thing that i think the 9 has in its favour is the fact that it DOES have a forehead and chin as when watching videos you dont cover any of the screen where as with a real edge to edge like the s10 and most probably the note 10 i think it will be an issue let alone the pesky hole punch!
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I sometimes use an older iPhone and I really do love the bezels as far as usability goes. All the newer phones lead to me catching UI elements - for example I'm a big YouTube watcher and the only phone I've used recently where I never accidently skip videos when moving my phone around is the iPhone. The other downside to bezels being removed is that phones really do all look pretty much the same now.
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clax6 said:
Yes that is the trade in price.
After reading lots of posts (as well as this one) about the 2 different models I'm going to stick with what I've got. I have a 256 sd card so I have plenty of storage and as regards ram unless your doing a speed test side by side I dont think I'm going to notice. I'm probably going to stick a sim only sim in September when my contract ends and hold out with the 9 until i either break it or something revolutionary comes out. Which i doubt.
Another thing that i think the 9 has in its favour is the fact that it DOES have a forehead and chin as when watching videos you dont cover any of the screen where as with a real edge to edge like the s10 and most probably the note 10 i think it will be an issue let alone the pesky hole punch!
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As for RAM, whatever anyone says, it has no bearing on actual application speed - all RAM does is hold applications in memory. Apps are flushed from memory according to space and the particular memory setup the manufacturer implements. Some manufacturers throw loads of RAM at their devices but their battery management is so brutal that it's almost worthless.
Google themselves think 4GB is enough, and cynicism aside, they do actually write the OS, which the manufacturers don't. If anyone knows how much RAM is necessary it's Google IMO. I can't think what would motivate them to think otherwise. Unless you have applications hogging loads of RAM, the worst you can expect with less RAM is that an application you had open a while back has to re-open again. With 6GB of RAM this should rarely be an issue, and many apps freeze their state anyway
Tend to agree that you likely wouldn't see much benefit with extra RAM and I certainly don't think extra 2Gb at a cost of £300 is good value.
That said I can see the appeal of 512Gb internal storage versus 128Gb
If you really want an 8Gb / 512Gb Note 9 then wait until Note 10 is on sale, I guarantee Note 9 price will fall significantly and the difference to upgrade to 8Gb / 512Gb Note 9 will likely be less expensive.
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its a pickup right?
like the ones people like to have "in case they need to hull stuff" which happens 2 x every 5 years.
or like when constructions workers think they need a pickup because coming to work in a car is so unprofessional but unfortunately everyone knows ure not aloud to use your own personal machinery on construction sites.
or even: pollution on 4 wheels?
lol ok jokes over.
You won't notice any difference between the 6GB and the 8GB models
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So looking at the note 10 designs it looks like its going to have the hole punch. ( which I dont like)
At the moment the note 9 8gb version is on sale at £649. Trade in of my 6gb version will get me £340.
Is it worth the £309 price difference to get the extra ram and storage and the hybrid sim version bearing in mind I'm going to stick with the note 9 until at least the note 11?
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Monitor your memory usage. If you never approach 6GB utilization, then you'll never gain anything with an extra two GB. Have you filled 128 GB with content you couldn't put on a $50 SD card?
Hi, I would like your opinion for the purchase of another smartphone equivalent to Galaxy s21 ultra like Honor after the return of google service or another brand thank you in advance
Meh, oranges to lemons.
I go with a N10+ or a N20U running on no higher than Q.
The S21U isn't a favorite of mine. Android R is a dog and 12 will likely be worse.
No SD card. Lacks the gorgeous design of the N10+ and damn, are we back to round corners again?
You need to decide what you want. You're all over the road so how to you expect to get home?
samlis said:
Hi, I would like your opinion for the purchase of another smartphone equivalent to Galaxy s21 ultra like Honor after the return of google service or another brand thank you in advance
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I'd go for the OnePlus 9T. Great phone, just not quite to the hardware standard of the S21 Ultra but not far off.
blackhawk said:
Meh, oranges to lemons.
I go with a N10+ or a N20U running on no higher than Q.
The S21U isn't a favorite of mine. Android R is a dog and 12 will likely be worse.
No SD card. Lacks the gorgeous design of the N10+ and damn, are we back to round corners again?
You need to decide what you want. You're all over the road so how to you expect to get home?
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Yeah, we get it. Mainly from you posting the same thing at every opportunity.
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Yeah, we get it. Mainly from you posting the same thing at every opportunity.
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Face it 2021 sucks for Android.
1+? Bah-ha-ha-ha... I meant no comment.
We? You a committee of one now?
Actually I'm restraining myself a lot... take your own bloody advice, mate.
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Face it 2021 sucks for Android.
1+? Bah-ha-ha-ha... I meant no comment.
We? You a committee of one now?
Actually I'm restraining myself a lot... take your own bloody advice, mate.
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Committee of one? No, just someone who's a bit bored of you posting the same complaints, and I'd be surprised if I'm the only one. You're continually saying that you don't like :-
Android R
Android Q
The additional security Google has put in place since Android R
Not having a memory card slot
Having round corners
You don't need to post it every time the opportunity arises so maybe a little more constraint is called for?
I'm curious, do you even have an S21 Ultra? If so it sounds to me like you should sell it and go back to the Note 10+ if you still have it, or buy one with the resulting funds.
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Committee of one? No, just someone who's a bit bored of you posting the same complaints, and I'd be surprised if I'm the only one. You're continually saying that you don't like :-
Android R
Android Q
The additional security Google has put in place since Android R
Not having a memory card slot
Having round corners
You don't need to post it every time the opportunity arises so maybe a little more constraint is called for?
I'm curious, do you even have an S21 Ultra? If so it sounds to me like you should sell it and go back to the Note 10+ if you still have it, or buy one with the resulting funds.
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Off topic. Do what I do and hit ignore button for the bores... now you're dead to me.
I'm heartbroken.
samlis said:
Hi, I would like your opinion for the purchase of another smartphone equivalent to Galaxy s21 ultra like Honor after the return of google service or another brand thank you in advance
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There's the Sony Xperia 1 III. Compares very favorably to the S21 Ultra and surpasses it in a number of features. Display, MicroSD, 3.5 Jack and Faster Charging. The Sony is a bit more expensive but with the MicroSD you can lower the cost by acquiring the 128GB version and add up to 512GB External Storage. That isn't an option with the S21 Ultra and if you opt for 512GB it increases the cost of Galaxy device to $1,400 USD. Definitely worth a look.
varcor said:
There's the Sony Xperia 1 III. Compares very favorably to the S21 Ultra and surpasses it in a number of features. Display, MicroSD, 3.5 Jack and Faster Charging. The Sony is a bit more expensive but with the MicroSD you can lower the cost by acquiring the 128GB version and add up to 512GB External Storage. That isn't an option with the S21 Ultra and if you opt for 512GB it increases the cost of Galaxy device to $1,400 USD. Definitely worth a look.
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The Sony supports up to 1tb SD cards. A 1tb V30 rated Sandisk Extreme can be had for $179 now.
A .5tb V30 card goes for about $80.
V30 rated cards will play movies, music with no issues.
Using the SD card as a data drive is preferable to one huge internal shared drive.
Not sure how scoped storage in Android 11/12 will impact its use/functionality though...
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The Sony supports up to 1tb SD cards. A 1tb V30 rated Sandisk Extreme can be had for $179 now.
A .5tb V30 card goes for about $80.
V30 rated cards will play movies, music with no issues.
Using the SD card as a data drive is preferable to one huge internal shared drive.
Not sure how scoped storage in Android 11/12 will impact its use/functionality though...
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I don't understand why scoped storage is a deficiency to a large degree. It assists in accessing permissions which app developers fail to build into their specific platforms. I don't care to go way off topic from the OP however I would suggest it's a much larger benefit than a drawback.
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Meh, oranges to lemons.
I go with a N10+ or a N20U running on no higher than Q.
The S21U isn't a favorite of mine. Android R is a dog and 12 will likely be worse.
No SD card. Lacks the gorgeous design of the N10+ and damn, are we back to round corners again?
You need to decide what you want. You're all over the road so how to you expect to get home?
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You should accept not everyone prefers a device shaped like a box, most devices have rounded corners so you're in the minority. It's a subjective assessment, your opinion doesn't go beyond you.
varcor said:
You should accept not everyone prefers a device shaped like a box, most devices have rounded corners so you're in the minority. It's a subjective assessment, your opinion doesn't go beyond you.
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In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.
blackhawk said:
In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.
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Man, do you even have s21 ultra?
If No, then why bothering to discuss ur "superior" N10+ in an s21 ultra group?
If Yes, then why bringing ur "marvelous the 8th wonder of the world" N10+ in an s21 ultra group every single thread discussing an issue related to s21 ultra?
At last, it's ur opinion and you really don't need to convince us with it, have a blast
Amr Faried said:
Man, do you even have s21 ultra?
If No, then why bothering to discuss ur "superior" N10+ in an s21 ultra group?
If Yes, then why bringing ur "marvelous the 8th wonder of the world" N10+ in an s21 ultra group every single thread discussing an issue related to s21 ultra?
At last, it's ur opinion and you really don't need to convince us with it, have a blast
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30/3, I see why.
blackhawk said:
In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.
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You're tripping over toothpicks, get over it. If you have input on the OP feel free to share, getting into the weeds over items which are non sequitur benefits no one.
varcor said:
You should accept not everyone prefers a device shaped like a box, most devices have rounded corners so you're in the minority. It's a subjective assessment, your opinion doesn't go beyond you.
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I do it makes it easier to put in a case with round corners made of rubber and a flat glass screen protector. Round edges suck they limit accessories and make manufacturing disposable protection more difficult
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blackhawk said:
30/3, I see why.
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So You're farming reaction score and messages?
Here, let me help you with another reply
blackhawk said:
In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.
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It is S21 forum, don't expect people to think rationally about the phone which costed them more than 1k. I have S21 ultra and I am happy with the phone, but it doesn't mean that I am blind and see only bright side, specially where we have couple of nasty wrong things with it.
I have noticed that you have two choices, be hurray-optimistic and happy with device, or you are going to be called hater. It is really simple, I was on facebook group about PS5 and as I own one, I could put some criticism regarding console itself but no, it is not allowed. You are happy or get lost, simple.
varcor said:
I don't understand why scoped storage is a deficiency to a large degree. It assists in accessing permissions which app developers fail to build into their specific platforms. I don't care to go way off topic from the OP however I would suggest it's a much larger benefit than a drawback.
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It isn't, for most of the time. Literally the only apps that need full storage access are file managers, of which you should only need one (or maybe two, one for advanced management, and one for everyday use). Besides, Google does have an API to get around scoped storage for such apps.
@samlis to answer your question, I think the phone that comes closest to the S21 Ultra is the Pixel 6 Pro. Apart from the slightly worse camera (you can literally not tell the difference in most photos, except for night mode, which the Pixel wins hands down, and >10x zoom, in which case the S21 Ultra wins).
However with the S22 coming so soon (in about 3-4 months), you might be better off waiting for that, either because it will offer much better experience at very similar price points, or because it will drive the S21's price down.