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Note 8 or One Plus 5

Hi, I need some advice on which device I am going to buy. I'm going to use this I guess 3 to 5 years as I dont replace my phone that often so this thread will help A LOT. I'm basing on some reviews, speed tests, but the two seems to be on par with each other. Price is/may kind of an issue here as I would love to use some of the money (if I buy the OP5) for the after sales and some personal stuff. However if the Note 8 is really "bang for the buck" then I'll gladly go with it. I also tried to search some issues. Here's what I found so far:
One Plus 5:
GPS Issue
Bluetooth Issue
Overheating issue
Jelly Effect in screen
Note 8:
Red tint in a lot of device
Light leak (lights leaking on the side of the phone not much of an issue for me)
If you have some issues with the phone, please feel free to reply. It would be appreciated a lot!
I also created Pros and Cons that might help me but I ended up more confused what to buy. Haha.
Pros for One Plus 5
Performance
Price
Dev Community as I love to mod my phone
Fingerprint Scanner placement + the scan speed is so fast
I've seen a lot of people who still uses OPO or OP2 which means that this device last long
The toggle above the volume like in iPhones
Customizable hardware buttons (I really love this one)
Cons for One Plus 5
Issues above as I really need the GPS and bluetooth, and I play heavy games.
No waterproofing
No Micro SD slot (I guess 128gb is enough but I would love to have the option of expanding more)
Pros for Note 8
SPen
Camera
Performance (but I've read OP5 has better. The 8gb ram may be the reason. But please feel free to correct me)
Display is a plus
Iris Scanner and Face Recognition (Is it accurate?)
Cons for Note 8
Samsung phones tend to slow down after months/years of using it.
Price
Body build is somewhat easy to crack due to glass body + curved edge
Samsung is a little bit strict when it comes to flashing Custom ROMS and I dont know if the SPen functionalities will be affected. (Please correct me here)
Fingerprint Scanner placement
I may be wrong with some of this but I've researched and this is what I've seen.
If this is a point to consider, I'm coming from a Xperia Z3Compact which didn't last long (I hated sony to the hell because of this) because of the digitizer issue. However, I enjoyed tweaking that phone. Now I'm forced to use my iPhone5s with jailbreak.
Note: Just to be clear, the devices in comparison are OP5 8gb/128gb and Note 8 6gb/64gb Exynos
Note: I'm posting this to each respective forum to have a fair discussion for each phone. I hope this is allowed. I also hope to help some people that have the same options with me.
Note 8 Thread: Link Here
OnePlus 5 Thread: Link Here
Thank you guys. After a long comparison, I'm going for the OP5 even with the rumors of OP5T. I just hate the back fingerprint scanner placements which is the trend now. And regarding with the bezels, I'm more into those phone with bezels on top and bottom for landscape usage. I've been trying the S8+, and some games that I play doesn't maximize or utilize the whole screen which leaves some part of the screen blank. However, the screen in the Note 8 is A1 dont get me wrong, but I'm more into the performance and the OP5's screen is enough. Thank you guys!

For me would have gone oneplus 5,cause that thing is crazy fast. However the jello, jelly put me right off. And the fact that oneplus 5,would not until now come out in the open about it, really bugged me and beggars belief!. You can see the problem as soon as you pick the device up, so that reason I went note 8 and it's been an amazing experience. I haven't played games on it yet, still enjoying just browsing, multimedia, taking photos of my munchkins etc.

I had the oneplus 5 like 4 phones ago and it was great. No issues whatsoever, no jelly or any of the other issues you mentioned tbh. Bang for bucks it is the best phone you can get. Great for flashing and whatnot. That being said the note 8 has so much more added value and the exynos has a dev community that should keep you flash happy for years to come...

marvi0 said:
For me would have gone oneplus 5,cause that thing is crazy fast. However the jello, jelly put me right off. And the fact that oneplus 5,would not until now come out in the open about it, really bugged me and beggars belief!. You can see the problem as soon as you pick the device up, so that reason I went note 8 and it's been an amazing experience. I haven't played games on it yet, still enjoying just browsing, multimedia, taking photos of my munchkins etc.
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Ah yes, the jelly effect. I've also heard it too and seen it in facebook. That thing also prevents me in purchasing this device. However, some owners claimed that their device has small to no signs of jelly effect in their device. So I think they have fixed it now, I wish. Thank you for your comment
mrnovanova said:
I had the oneplus 5 like 4 phones ago and it was great. No issues whatsoever, no jelly or any of the other issues you mentioned tbh. Bang for bucks it is the best phone you can get. Great for flashing and whatnot. That being said the note 8 has so much more added value and the exynos has a dev community that should keep you flash happy for years to come...
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I see. I heard that Snapdragon version is more strict in terms of tweaking than the Exynos version. Thank you for you reply!

lazygeniuslanz said:
Hi, I need some advice on which device I am going to buy. I'm going to use this I guess 3 to 5 years as I dont replace my phone that often so this thread will help A LOT. I'm basing on some reviews, speed tests, but the two seems to be on par with each other. Price is/may kind of an issue here as I would love to use some of the money (if I buy the OP5) for the after sales and some personal stuff. However if the Note 8 is really "bang for the buck" then I'll gladly go with it. I also tried to search some issues. Here's what I found so far:
One Plus 5:
GPS Issue
Bluetooth Issue
Overheating issue
Jelly Effect in screen
Note 8:
Red tint in a lot of device
Light leak (lights leaking on the side of the phone not much of an issue for me)
If you have some issues with the phone, please feel free to reply. It would be appreciated a lot!
I also created Pros and Cons that might help me but I ended up more confused what to buy. Haha.
Pros for One Plus 5
Performance
Price
Dev Community as I love to mod my phone
Fingerprint Scanner placement + the scan speed is so fast
I've seen a lot of people who still uses OPO or OP2 which means that this device last long
The toggle above the volume like in iPhones
Customizable hardware buttons (I really love this one)
Cons for One Plus 5
Issues above as I really need the GPS and bluetooth, and I play heavy games.
No waterproofing
No Micro SD slot (I guess 128gb is enough but I would love to have the option of expanding more)
Pros for Note 8
SPen
Camera
Performance (but I've read OP5 has better. The 8gb ram may be the reason. But please feel free to correct me)
Display is a plus
Iris Scanner and Face Recognition (Is it accurate?)
Cons for Note 8
Samsung phones tend to slow down after months/years of using it.
Price
Body build is somewhat easy to crack due to glass body + curved edge
Samsung is a little bit strict when it comes to flashing Custom ROMS and I dont know if the SPen functionalities will be affected. (Please correct me here)
Fingerprint Scanner placement
I may be wrong with some of this but I've researched and this is what I've seen.
If this is a point to consider, I'm coming from a Xperia Z3Compact which didn't last long (I hated sony to the hell because of this) because of the digitizer issue. However, I enjoyed tweaking that phone. Now I'm forced to use my iPhone5s with jailbreak.
Note: Just to be clear, the devices in comparison are OP5 8gb/128gb and Note 8 6gb/64gb Exynos
Note: I'm posting this to each respective forum to have a fair discussion for each phone. I hope this is allowed. I also hope to help some people that have the same options with me.
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I a solution for you to avoid those listed "issues" if you decide to buy a Note 8.
Just find a open box or used one and inspect it fully before handing over the money.
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marvi0 said:
For me would have gone oneplus 5,cause that thing is crazy fast. However the jello, jelly put me right off. And the fact that oneplus 5,would not until now come out in the open about it, really bugged me and beggars belief!. You can see the problem as soon as you pick the device up, so that reason I went note 8 and it's been an amazing experience. I haven't played games on it yet, still enjoying just browsing, multimedia, taking photos of my munchkins etc.
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Limeybastard said:
I a solution for you to avoid those listed "issues" if you decide to buy a Note 8.
Just find a open box or used one and inspect it fully before handing over the money.
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I've read that solution too haha. And that's a good one. But is there any reason to consider Note 8 for OP5?

lazygeniuslanz said:
I've read that solution too haha. And that's a good one. But is there any reason to consider Note 8 for OP5?
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I can't answer that question as I don't have any experience with the OP5, to be honest.
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lazygeniuslanz said:
I've read that solution too haha. And that's a good one. But is there any reason to consider Note 8 for OP5?
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That's a personal decision. Only you can weigh the pros and cons of each phone... and you seem to have done a great job of listing them.
The SD card is the dealbreaker for me. I carry about 200 GB of hi-res music. At this point, that's difficult to replicate any other way that doesn't involve paying even more for music I already own.

I've had the oneplus5, now currently have the note 8.
The reasons that made me return the oneplus 5 were as follows
- The jelly screen ....once you see it, it'll bug you forever
- The camera in my opinion wasn't all that..the lack of OIS was really annoying. Videos were shaky as hell! (It was improved with software stabilisation, bit it wasn't anything compaired to realtime optical stablisation
I really wanted to like the phone, it's so cheap for what you get and I love how oneplus allow you to root and mod away.
You need to decide what you'd want from your phone

Thanks but.. some of your "CONS" are off. You didnt go with the majority. On some cons.

note 8- tons more features
one plus- easier to mod
its just that simple; YOU decide whats important to YOU

In 3 or so years you probably won't want a phone with all that bezel. I'll venture out and say if you want a phone that won't feel obsolete sooner than later do to design get the note 8 hands down (or s8+).....imo
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louforgiveno said:
In 3 or so years you probably won't want a phone with all that bezel. I'll venture out and say if you want a phone that won't feel obsolete sooner than later do to design get the note 8 hands down (or s8+).....imo
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I think the Note 8 has a higher chance of being obsolete. Reason being the 8GB RAM of the OnePlus 5; it will probably become standard on all devices in 2018 or 2019.
It's not like all that extra screen gives you extra functionality that you won't have if your device has bezels. So I don't see why a device with bezels would become obsolete.
Design is really the last thing you should look at when making your decision. You're gonna use one of those devices, not stare at it and admire its design. You're probably gonna put a case on it anyway, so that whole design aspect flies out the window.

Pwnycorn said:
I think the Note 8 has a higher chance of being obsolete. Reason being the 8GB RAM of the OnePlus 5; it will probably become standard on all devices in 2018 or 2019.
It's not like all that extra screen gives you extra functionality that you won't have if your device has bezels. So I don't see why a device with bezels would become obsolete.
Design is really the last thing you should look at when making your decision. You're gonna use one of those devices, not stare at it and admire its design. You're probably gonna put a case on it anyway, so that whole design aspect flies out the window.
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I respect your opinion but I think you're off a smidge. If design were not important there would be no iPhone X. Expect large bezels to be frowned upon in the 2 years. Bezels will get smaller that's just a fact. 8gb is overkill how will OEMs justify the 8gb when Apple does wonders with 3. 6gb will remain the maximum and 4gb the standard. We might see 8gb again but it sure won't become the norm.
Now I know that I referred to Apple as a reference for both arguments but for better or for worse Android sets trends and they cement it. It's just facts.
Design is the reason why many great devices were overlooked this year IE HTC U11 and Sony Xperia Zx1 or whatever (Saw it, laughed, moved on) I agree with you that in the end, Greater scheme and all, it doesn't matter as beauty is subjective but...
8gb standard? Maybe for Chinese OEMs. Bezels? They're flying out the window as we speak ?

douger1957 said:
That's a personal decision. Only you can weigh the pros and cons of each phone... and you seem to have done a great job of listing them.
The SD card is the dealbreaker for me. I carry about 200 GB of hi-res music. At this point, that's difficult to replicate any other way that doesn't involve paying even more for music I already own.
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Wow, thats a lot of music you have there. I can't even fill my 32gb from my z3c hahaha. Thank you sir!
Ry2mkk said:
I've had the oneplus5, now currently have the note 8.
The reasons that made me return the oneplus 5 were as follows
- The jelly screen ....once you see it, it'll bug you forever
- The camera in my opinion wasn't all that..the lack of OIS was really annoying. Videos were shaky as hell! (It was improved with software stabilisation, bit it wasn't anything compaired to realtime optical stablisation
I really wanted to like the phone, it's so cheap for what you get and I love how oneplus allow you to root and mod away.
You need to decide what you'd want from your phone
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Yeah, the camera in OP5 kinda sucks at videos. I've watched many camera reviews against Note 8 and boy that OP5 videos are shaky but I think they can do better after software updates. However the stills from OP5 looked good that it made the OP5 worth it atleast at good lighting. Don't get me wrong, the Note 8 outputs are better but I guess it doesn't justify the price differences.
Zeblade said:
Thanks but.. some of your "CONS" are off. You didnt go with the majority. On some cons.
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What do you means sir?
wase4711 said:
note 8- tons more features
one plus- easier to mod
its just that simple; YOU decide whats important to YOU
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I see, thank you sir!
Pwnycorn said:
I think the Note 8 has a higher chance of being obsolete. Reason being the 8GB RAM of the OnePlus 5; it will probably become standard on all devices in 2018 or 2019.
It's not like all that extra screen gives you extra functionality that you won't have if your device has bezels. So I don't see why a device with bezels would become obsolete.
Design is really the last thing you should look at when making your decision. You're gonna use one of those devices, not stare at it and admire its design. You're probably gonna put a case on it anyway, so that whole design aspect flies out the window.
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mrnovanova said:
I respect your opinion but I think you're off a smidge. If design were not important there would be no iPhone X. Expect large bezels to be frowned upon in the 2 years. Bezels will get smaller that's just a fact. 8gb is overkill how will OEMs justify the 8gb when Apple does wonders with 3. 6gb will remain the maximum and 4gb the standard. We might see 8gb again but it sure won't become the norm.
Now I know that I referred to Apple as a reference for both arguments but for better or for worse Android sets trends and they cement it. It's just facts.
Design is the reason why many great devices were overlooked this year IE HTC U11 and Sony Xperia Zx1 or whatever (Saw it, laughed, moved on) I agree with you that in the end, Greater scheme and all, it doesn't matter as beauty is subjective but...
8gb standard? Maybe for Chinese OEMs. Bezels? They're flying out the window as we speak
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Hey you guys calm down haha I agree that the design may be obsolete but I think I value the performance than the design itself. I don't want to use a good design phone but stutters or lags even a bit specially when its priced in an almost 1k. But good points guys! :good: :fingers-crossed:

Thank you guys. After a long comparison, I'm going for the OP5 even with the rumors of OP5T. I just hate the back fingerprint scanner placements which is the trend now. And regarding with the bezels, I'm more into those phone with bezels on top and bottom for landscape usage. I've been trying the S8+, and some games that I play doesn't maximize or utilize the whole screen which leaves some part of the screen blank. However, the screen in the Note 8 is A1 dont get me wrong, but I'm more into the performance and the OP5's screen is enough. Thank you guys!

First Video Review of 128GB vs. 512GB models (that I have seen)

Finally, someone has compared the two directly. I was hoping for more than this, but she does some comparisons in time it takes to do simple tasks (boot, copy video, open apps, etc.) and there does seem to be a noticeable difference. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MaPc4Xw11Q
Makes me feel slightly better about waiting until mid-September for my 512GB...

PsiPhiDan said:
Finally, someone has compared the two directly. I was hoping for more than this, but she does some comparisons in time it takes to do simple tasks (boot, copy video, open apps, etc.) and there does seem to be a noticeable difference. Here's the link:
Makes me feel slightly better about waiting until mid-September for my 512GB...
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Eh a few seconds difference won't kill me. Not even a few seconds.
Paying over 200 bucks more for maybe a second increase in performance might not seem as bad on my car.
But on my phone I think I think I will save my money.
It's not like my note 8 was a slouch and I'm not exactly racing other phones to open apps.

pcriz said:
Eh a few seconds difference won't kill me. Not even a few seconds.
Paying over 200 bucks more for maybe a second increase in performance might not seem as bad on my car.
But on my phone I think I think I will save my money.
It's not like my note 8 was a slouch and I'm not exactly racing other phones to open apps.
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I mean, I agree overall. As someone who bought the 512, I am just excited to see there's a difference beyond having more storage and being able to hold more apps in memory (which is what I expected).
As someone who may own the phone 2+ years, those "one second" savings will add up a lot over time! ??

i keep seeing more and more threads on this subject increasingly on this forum--trying to prove the 512 is better or worse...
naah people who bought the 512 version just want to feel validated. if both phones were the same cost, most would opt for the 512 because its the flag.
on paper the 512 may run a sec or thrice faster at crunching a number than the 128, but we are going to be hard pressed to see that in real world usage.
personally, i have both and my old note 8, and dont need the justification or validation. i just like the latest and greatest.

marctronixx said:
i keep seeing more and more threads on this subject increasingly on this forum--trying to prove the 512 is better or worse...
naah people who bought the 512 version just want to feel validated. if both phones were the same cost, most would opt for the 512 because its the flag.
on paper the 512 may run a sec or thrice faster at crunching a number than the 128, but we are going to be hard pressed to see that in real world usage.
personally, i have both and my old note 8, and dont need the justification or validation. i just like the latest and greatest.
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The only time I'd buy the 512gb is if I needed that much storage on the fast device memory and not SD card.
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marctronixx said:
i keep seeing more and more threads on this subject increasingly on this forum--trying to prove the 512 is better or worse...
naah people who bought the 512 version just want to feel validated. if both phones were the same cost, most would opt for the 512 because its the flag.
on paper the 512 may run a sec or thrice faster at crunching a number than the 128, but we are going to be hard pressed to see that in real world usage.
personally, i have both and my old note 8, and dont need the justification or validation. i just like the latest and greatest.
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Did you not see the video? It's noticeably faster. This is the same crap we compare between last year's phones and this year's to justify upgrades. A second or two faster is not nothing.
Regardless, I think a lot of people who got the 512/8 were trying to futureproof themselves. That's why I got it. If this is indeed the last Note, I'm holding onto it for years. So I want the space and memory.
As a side note, I've also seen a lot of your type of posts from the 128 people... Trying to justify NOT getting the 512 and hoping there's no noticeable difference. ?

There's no sense feeding this troll on his gloating on purchasing a more expensive model with storage space to hold more porn and 2gb extra ram for some micro second differences.
Me I'd never blow that much on a device unless it had reasonable upgrades not something so minor.
I just think he wants to make sure because he blew more $$ on a device, for minor upgrades wants to convince himself for not being an idiot and making up excuses :laugh:

turilo said:
There's no sense feeding this troll on his gloating on purchasing a more expensive model with storage space to hold more porn and 2gb extra ram for some micro second differences.
Me I'd never blow that much on a device unless it had reasonable upgrades not something so minor.
I just think he wants to make sure because he blew more $$ on a device, for minor upgrades wants to convince himself for not being an idiot and making up excuses :laugh:
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Haha are your seriously referring to me as a troll?? If so, this is a first.
I'm legitimately interested in the real world difference because I have it on order... I already explained that I got it because I heard the Note9 may be the last Note and if that's true, I want to hold onto it for a long time so I future proofed myself, somewhat.
That said, this is a technical website. Why would you not want to see the difference between models? Not to mention the blue 512s are backordered globally, so clearly many people wanted them (hence might want to know what gains they paid for).

PsiPhiDan said:
Haha are your seriously referring to me as a troll?? If so, this is a first.
I'm legitimately interested in the real world difference because I have it on order... I already explained that I got it because I heard the Note9 may be the last Note and if that's true, I want to hold onto it for a long time so I future proofed myself, somewhat.
That said, this is a technical website. Why would you not want to see the difference between models? Not to mention the blue 512s are backordered globally, so clearly many people wanted them (hence might want to know what gains they paid for).
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Got to admit though, what he said was funny.?
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To be a fair review she needs two retail models , not one she bought and the prerelease free model she got from samsung , by not having an sd card speeds up both models as sd cards read and write slower than the built in storage.

In the US, the shipping time of 128gb is in 2 days and 512gb is at the end of Sept 2018.

lwang9 said:
In the US, the shipping time of 128gb is in 2 days and 512gb is at the end of Sept 2018.
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imagine what it is in Kazakhstan

peekie said:
To be a fair review she needs two retail models , not one she bought and the prerelease free model she got from samsung , by not having an sd card speeds up both models as sd cards read and write slower than the built in storage.
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Exactly, Samsung gives all them popular YouTubers free units and in turn receives favourable reviews. Capatilsm at its finest.

Limeybastard said:
Exactly, Samsung gives all them popular YouTubers free units and in turn receives favourable reviews. Capatilsm at its finest.
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But she is showing the one she bought to be better than the retail unit. I don't think that had any affect on these results she posted.

PsiPhiDan said:
But she is showing the one she bought to be better than the retail unit. I don't think that had any affect on these results she posted.
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My comment wasn't solely based towards her. If anything, she's one of the fairer reviewers I've watched and continue to do so.
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Limeybastard said:
My comment wasn't solely based towards her. If anything, she's one of the fairer reviewers I've watched and continue to do so.
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YouTube is a cesspool.
Like the YouTube tech guy. Basically getting views by reading the manual and listing off "hidden" features.
Same as the tech sites.. same mindless lists of why to or why not to buy X device.
Lists of features. Things you should do before buying your phone, apps you should get.
Uggghhh
It's all trash.

note 9 8gb or 6gb ?

hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?

I have the 8 gb ram version. You can absolutely settle for the 6 gb. I have great battery life compared to my old Note 8
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babak said:
hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?
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Man you don't even need 6gb.

Jammol said:
Man you don't even need 6gb.
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I always say "Get as much ram as you can get, computer, phone etc" Get as much as possible

oneandroidnut said:
I always say "Get as much ram as you can get, computer, phone etc" Get as much as possible
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I feel you. How long you planning on keep the Note 9?

If it's going to be a 2-3 year device then absolutely get the 8gb, I would get it anyway, but seeing as you asked.....:silly:

babak said:
hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?
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I'd be less worried about the ram and more concerned with the storage. Do you pan on keeping the phone 1 year or 2? Capture a lot of video? If so, will a lot be 4k? Plan on using DEX?
If 128GB will serve you fine then save your money. If 512GB suits your needs better then by all means, get it. For the comments about RAM for a phone 6GB is plenty for this phone but would definitely see a tangible benefit if you use DEX. Also, if you have access to the expertise and resources, swapping out storage on a smartphone is much easier than swapping out RAM. It's not the hardest thing in the world to change your flash but it ain't easy and takes good eyesight and good hand eye coordination, not to mention the special hardware needed to get your phone flashed proper like from the factory.

Duncan1982 said:
If it's going to be a 2-3 year device then absolutely get the 8gb, I would get it anyway, but seeing as you asked.....:silly:
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This ^^^^
In my case I always upgrade yearly, so wasn't worth it for me.
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babak said:
hi guys, I'm thinking of buying a note 9 but I'm very undecided whether to take the model with 6 gb of ram or the one with 8gb, what do you recommend? battery consumption changes between the two models?
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I went for the 8GB of RAM and waited 3 weeks past release day for it. The main reason I was set on the 8GB of RAM is because I had the S9+ which has 6GB of RAM and wanted to see if there was a difference and the only real reason to upgrade from the S9+ is the 8GB of RAM and larger battery, and I can tell you from personal experience I see NO DIFFERENCE in performance from the 6GB of RAM on the S9+ compared to the 8GB of RAM on the Note9 regarding how the phone performs. BUT I can tell you the battery life is superb on the Note9 compared to the S9+ and I love the larger screen. But your question was which RAM size, and I now I can without a shadow of doubt say 6GB of RAM and save yourself the extra $250.

Jammol said:
I feel you. How long you planning on keep the Note 9?
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year at the most probably. it has a lot to beat that the pixel 2 offers

I keep my devices till they die. I have one of the first Nexus 6p's and it is beyond dead so that's my only reason for upgrading. This is why i went 8gb in hopes to (somewhat/kinda) future proof myself.

Thanks guys, for me the storage volume of 512 GB does not make any sense and I prefer to use a micro sd that after every formatting does not delete everything copied the data stored.
If you say that between 6g of ram and 8gb there is not a substantial difference, then I take the 6gb and I hope that in view of future updates I do not regret.

You're not going to notice a performance difference unless you somehow figure out how to peg the RAM. RAM management in a smartphone and a computer are 2 totally different beasts. Where you might notice the difference though is the amount of apps you have open and how fast you can switch between apps instead of waiting for it to reload from storage. That is going to be the biggest benefit and probably not many of us will see it and that is a big difference, especially at how good Android is at multitasking. Plus two apps at once. And again, DEX probably has a noticeable difference with 2 extra GB handy.

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You're not going to notice a performance difference unless you somehow figure out how to peg the RAM. RAM management in a smartphone and a computer are 2 totally different beasts. Where you might notice the difference though is the amount of apps you have open and how fast you can switch between apps instead of waiting for it to reload from storage. That is going to be the biggest benefit and probably not many of us will see it and that is a big difference, especially at how good Android is at multitasking. Plus two apps at once. And again, DEX probably has a noticeable difference with 2 extra GB handy.
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for multitasking I find myself already very well with note8 (6gb ram), but the dilema is dex and check a pushed multitasking if it makes the difference, but I would like to be sure and not based only on the assumptions.

I have not tried myself as I don't have both versions. But on YouTube there are quite a few videos that show the 8GB version allows more apps to open. This has to be a huge plus especially if you end up using DEX a lot. I am still surprised at how useful Samsung made DEX. They turned Android into a very useful and friendly desktop experience. I don't have the itch yet, but am eager to see how well emulation works through DEX. That will be freaking awesome if no noticeable latency using a USB or Bluetooth controller.

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Thanks guys, for me the storage volume of 512 GB does not make any sense and I prefer to use a micro sd that after every formatting does not delete everything copied the data stored.
If you say that between 6g of ram and 8gb there is not a substantial difference, then I take the 6gb and I hope that in view of future updates I do not regret.
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4K 60 is recorded on internal storage. In fact I think it stores all 4k on internal. Not 100% sure though. Personally, 128gb fills up in around 3 months for me, so if you install lots of apps and games, and take lots of video, then 512gb is the way to go. It's never a good idea to rely only on SD surely. I haven't used an SD card in .. well.... 3 or 4 years.

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4K 60 is recorded on internal storage. In fact I think it stores all 4k on internal. Not 100% sure though. Personally, 128gb fills up in around 3 months for me, so if you install lots of apps and games, and take lots of video, then 512gb is the way to go. It's never a good idea to rely only on SD surely. I haven't used an SD card in .. well.... 3 or 4 years.
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Ok, but tell me this, every time you wip the phone if you do not make a backup first, you lose everything, so you explain to me what sense does it have a large storage if you also need to have a copy somewhere else?
for me it is simply ridiculous.
videos in 4k 60 also have a time limit, so I do not think that some videos create big files so they need a storage of the genre.
The only thing that interests me at the end is the ram.

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Ok, but tell me this, every time you wip the phone if you do not make a backup first, you lose everything, so you explain to me what sense does it have a large storage if you also need to have a copy somewhere else?
for me it is simply ridiculous.
videos in 4k 60 also have a time limit, so I do not think that some videos create big files so they need a storage of the genre.
The only thing that interests me at the end is the ram.
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I back up to my laptop, plenty of room there for storage. I also only wipe maybe once a year at best, when a problem occurs.
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I back up to my laptop, plenty of room there for storage. I also only wipe maybe once a year at best, when a problem occurs.
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even with my note8 I backup the computer, so what changes? only longer periods? no thanks.
We talk about ram and if price diffrence is justified.
as for the ram I do not find any tests on dex on the web

At the end of the day it comes down to you...
I personally, if I can afford it, get the biggest memory and RAM, simply due to prefering to having and not needing vs. needing and not having...
If you want to spend the extra $$$ then great otherwise don't. It can't hurt to have extra ram or storage and on my 8gb version I find DEX runs fine... It's more about heat than RAM... As the phone heats up I've had a few lags, but I use a 3rd party USB-c hub... Haven't played around with the dock as yet though I do have it...

Question S21 Ultra RAM size matters?

Hi All! Leaving the internal memory size apart, is 16 GB RAM worth the pocket stretch? Does it make a difference in any specific scenarios?
I am asking because, in my usage case, I don't need 512 GB internal memory, as I keep my files (including music, recorded videos etc.) backed-up in cloud and on external drives. I would consider the 512 GB version only if 16 GB RAM would bring any additional benefit (for example smoother performance, battery efficiency, future-proofing etc.).
Curious about your thoughts on this subject.

Highly doubt it. My gaming PC has 16GB of RAM and that's still fine lol.
I went for the 256/12GB model.
Consider the non Ultra models make do with 8GB and have excellent performance as do many phones with 6 and 8 GB.
Also the RAM on the S21 Ultra is a newer gen of RAM which has higher speeds (read/write) which has a performance benefit as well. Reviewers have subtly mentioned that although it doesn't seem to get brought up much in marketing ect. Not sure if the regular and + models have the same.

If 256 GB storage is sufficient, then 12 GB/256 GB would be just fine to go with. I would say the 4 GB extra RAM will contribute to a bit more battery drain and will do nothing at all performance wise. People who need more storage should only go for the 16 GB/512 GB variant for the storage space alone.

RAM is used simply for fast storage and retrieval of data and code while a program is running. The general advice is that adding more RAM when you are not using the RAM you already have is a total waste of time and money. So, what could you store in RAM? Well, for an Android phone the most likely answer is "more programs." Since the system doesn't necessarily actually close a program when you go to the home menu or push back it's still potentially taking up RAM. The more RAM you have, the more programs you could potentially keep in RAM and so the more programs you could potentially start nearly instantly. But, the flash memory on these phones is pretty fast anyway so I'm not sure you'd really notice the difference between a .5 second and 1.1 second start up for a program. Another thing RAM can do is cache the contents of your long term (flash) storage. That way the system can access such data more rapidly when it needs it. This is actually where most RAM goes when you're running Windows or Linux - they're passively using all the otherwise unused RAM as cache for the file system. So, more RAM could mean faster file I/O but only if you are doing a lot of file I/O.
I have 16GB of RAM in my laptop. I play all the latest games, I do software development, I do CAD/CAM work. I have never used 16GB of RAM except when running high end simulation systems. There's a system called CARLA which uses Unity to simulate a driving environment for autonomous driving systems. That uses 24GB of RAM to initially compile the simulation. That's the one and only thing I would need more than 16GB for. Now, we're really talking about 12GB vs 16GB here. So, the question is, do you need those extra 4GB for anything? No, I can't think of any real reason a phone would need more than 12GB of RAM. I'll bet I could live with 12GB in my laptop and still virtually never use it all up.
Well, maybe there is ONE thing I could see the extra RAM being used for - high speed/resolution photography. It's possible that having more RAM could allow for longer buffering of things like super slow-mo. Now, I'm about 99% sure they don't do that. But, maybe they could. You might not be able to write to flash quickly enough for some super speed or super high end (like 8K) video without significant buffering to RAM. So, maybe in that case more RAM could be useful. But, the fact that the Ultra comes with 12GB normally would suggest that they aren't likely to optimize applications just for the 1% of people who opt for the top of the line top of the line phone.
TL;DR - No, I don't think the extra 4GB is worth the money and I didn't buy the 16GB/512GB version.

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If 256 GB storage is sufficient, then 12 GB/256 GB would be just fine to go with. I would say the 4 GB extra RAM will contribute to a bit more battery drain and will do nothing at all performance wise. People who need more storage should only go for the 16 GB/512 GB variant for the storage space alone.
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I really don't think extra ram is going to significantly affect battery performance though. If anything it would be a pretty insignificant amount.

eyeatoma said:
I really don't think extra ram is going to significantly affect battery performance though. If anything it would be a pretty insignificant amount.
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The lastest memory consumes less power than the previous generation. You can never have too much ram, or storage space. My 10+ is using about 7-8 gb of it's 12 gb in normal operation.
My 10+ isn't using excessive power at idle at all.
5G or rather it's poor implementation would be the power hog I be concerned about.
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The lastest memory consumes less power than the previous generation. You can never have too much ram, or storage space. My 10+ is using about 7-8 gb of it's 12 gb in normal operation.
My 10+ isn't using excessive power at idle at all.
5G or rather it's poor implementation would be the power hog I be concerned about.
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Why are you continually posting about an article over 1 year ago about a SOC which is obsolete? Furthermore, battery usage on 865 Qualcomm was very good as shown by Anandtech. Whatever rocks your boat I suppose.

peterg21 said:
Why are you continually posting about an article over 1 year ago about a SOC which is obsolete? Furthermore, battery usage on 865 Qualcomm was very good as shown by Anandtech. Whatever rocks your boat I suppose.
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Yeah ancient history
Try it... you'll like it.
Popcorn on standby
Is Qualcomm's Snapdragon 865 a Step Backward for Smartphones?
Could Qualcomm's Snapdragon 865 actually send phones backward, as far as overall performance and battery life? It's not impossible -- but it's not a sure thing, either. It'll depend on just how much optimization Qualcomm and its OEM partners do around these new capabilities to offset the cost of 5G.
www.extremetech.com

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Well, maybe there is ONE thing I could see the extra RAM being used for - high speed/resolution photography. It's possible that having more RAM could allow for longer buffering of things like super slow-mo.
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Yes, that's when extra RAM in S21 Ultra comes into play: 8k videos, director's view(simultaneous front & back camera recording), 108MP, zooming, tripod lock, pip, single take...etc, etc.. The 16GB RAM might sound like an overkill but it will definitely help with all the multitasking load when called upon.
Sure, 12GB or 8GB would handle that too, but performance-wise 16GB RAM processor support won't suffer a sweat.

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Yes, that's when extra RAM in S21 Ultra comes into play: 8k videos, director's view(simultaneous front & back camera recording), 108MP, zooming, tripod lock, pip, single take...etc, etc.. The 16GB RAM might sound like an overkill but it will definitely help with all the multitasking load when called upon.
Sure, 12GB or 8GB would handle that too, but performance-wise 16GB RAM processor support won't suffer a sweat.
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I am sure that 16GB RAM support won't suffer a sweat! But if 12GB would still do the job, why buy the extra RAM? I mean when recording for example (8K, director's view, you name it), you will only do that, you won't be multitasking so that you will need additional RAM for the other apps. I can hardly imagine someone shooting 8K and playing games/doing heavy photo editing at the same time. So practically no RAM swapping would come into play in this scenario.

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I am sure that 16GB RAM support won't suffer a sweat! But if 12GB would still do the job, why buy the extra RAM? I mean when recording for example (8K, director's view, you name it), you will only do that, you won't be multitasking so that you will need additional RAM for the other apps. I can hardly imagine someone shooting 8K and playing games/doing heavy photo editing at the same time. So practically no RAM swapping would come into play in this scenario.
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Yeah, who knows how much demand on RAM it'll put, but it's bundled w/ 1/2TB drive and that actually makes the deal somewhat cost effective, hence no extSD.
I've built a couple of PCs for my own use in the past(WindwsOS) and I'm aware of the ever changing requirements for a decent rig, and that reminds me of the same arguments about RAM when I was preparing to get the components for the first one, long, long time ago: "oh.. 2X4GB is plenty enough, 16?, yeah, but that won't be utilized, it's an overkill". Then, with the second one the build required a min. of 16 for Windows and then some more to better accommodate the CPU and the software I was running, mostly graphics/videos. I don't have the need to build computers anymore but I do check sometimes on the adds about the newest CPUs, MBs etc... totally amazed about the number of available RAM slots.

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I really don't think extra ram is going to significantly affect battery performance though. If anything it would be a pretty insignificant amount.
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Yeah I'm not at all saying it'll drain significantly more, and I would still consider it as a minus even when the drain is a hair bit more and isn't doing any favour to the phone performance wise.
My whole point is that one shouldn't waste more money going for the more RAM variant if 256 gigs storage suffices one's need.

Are there any stats on how much the extra 4gb drains a battery? Is it imperceptible or something larger like a few extra percent each day?

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Are there any stats on how much the extra 4gb drains a battery? Is it imperceptible or something larger like a few extra percent each day?
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Not that I know of. As far as I know, the S20 Ultra was the first Samsung phone to come in 12GB and 16GB versions. Considering that S21 phones are still in pre-order phase and have not reached consumers, maybe people who own S20 Ultras are in the position to say something about this (if they read this thread by any chance).

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At ldle my guess is not even 1% difference. This is the latest generation ram; about 20% more efficient than the Note 10+ and faster.
I have the 10+ 12 gb ram variant. It runs cool and fast. It never even entered my mind the 8 gb variant gets better battery life; doubt it does.

Their pricing makes it compelling to add another 4/256 for $140 when you're already spending a ton of money on the device.
It won't be recovered when reselling it but gives some future proofing if the idea is to keep it a few years.
Also as dex is developed maybe the ram will become more important.

mhw100 said:
Their pricing makes it compelling to add another 4/256 for $140 when you're already spending a ton of money on the device.
It won't be recovered when reselling it but gives some future proofing if the idea is to keep it a few years.
Also as dex is developed maybe the ram will become more important.
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No SD card, no sale. Worthless overpriced junk to me... no matter how much bloody ram it has.

I don't use DeX so much, therefore its future development does not concern me that much. Also, I never have more than 3-4 apps opened simultaneously, to which I switch alternately. Also, most of the time I tend to clear unused apps from memory (pressing the "recent apps" button and closing them). It is all about battery efficiency and smooth experience for me, this is what matters most. If the extra 4GB RAM has nothing to do with that, then I'll pass.
One thing that could be relevant is the future Android major updates (i.e. Android 12, 13), since I plan to use the phone for at least 2-3 years. Would extra RAM benefit me? I personally doubt that next Android versions will need that much RAM, but who knows?

when i got the note i was pretty convinced i wouldnt upgrade phones until one met 2 criteria of simply 1. more ram, and 2. any other reason making me want to buy it.
no its not needed at all for phone calls and texting... but you can have open a huge confrence call BDM, another game, and web browser and a terminal running some linux install your also connected to with on vnc.. and you know what... you can do all this already with 12gb... sooo
ill get it if and when i get it(it is however a very nice device with 512 and 16.. even the 256 and 12 and other variants anyone using them wouldnt have speed complaints with any of them and can record in 8k.. if you have the option in life for 16.. why not, especially if your ending up paying monthly)

I Initially wanted to go for the 12gb/256gb as I feel the 128gb would just not cut it for photography or videos, but decided to go for the 16/512gb as I got it around the same price as the 12gb/256gb with employee discount.
I also went crazy as since my S9+ didn't get excited about any other samsung phones than this one.
Also as google wants to stop free google photos upload to cloud it made sense to go for the higher tier.
I have my Pixel4XL to supplement the S21 Ultra
On a side note, I love the fact the S21 ultra can go from Macro to Space Zoom to wide angle which on Paper looks like the Army Swiss knife of photography.

Question Another smartphone equivalent to Galaxy s21 ultra

Hi, I would like your opinion for the purchase of another smartphone equivalent to Galaxy s21 ultra like Honor after the return of google service or another brand thank you in advance

Meh, oranges to lemons.
I go with a N10+ or a N20U running on no higher than Q.
The S21U isn't a favorite of mine. Android R is a dog and 12 will likely be worse.
No SD card. Lacks the gorgeous design of the N10+ and damn, are we back to round corners again?
You need to decide what you want. You're all over the road so how to you expect to get home?

samlis said:
Hi, I would like your opinion for the purchase of another smartphone equivalent to Galaxy s21 ultra like Honor after the return of google service or another brand thank you in advance
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I'd go for the OnePlus 9T. Great phone, just not quite to the hardware standard of the S21 Ultra but not far off.
blackhawk said:
Meh, oranges to lemons.
I go with a N10+ or a N20U running on no higher than Q.
The S21U isn't a favorite of mine. Android R is a dog and 12 will likely be worse.
No SD card. Lacks the gorgeous design of the N10+ and damn, are we back to round corners again?
You need to decide what you want. You're all over the road so how to you expect to get home?
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Yeah, we get it. Mainly from you posting the same thing at every opportunity.

Beefheart said:
Yeah, we get it. Mainly from you posting the same thing at every opportunity.
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Face it 2021 sucks for Android.
1+? Bah-ha-ha-ha... I meant no comment.
We? You a committee of one now?
Actually I'm restraining myself a lot... take your own bloody advice, mate.

blackhawk said:
Face it 2021 sucks for Android.
1+? Bah-ha-ha-ha... I meant no comment.
We? You a committee of one now?
Actually I'm restraining myself a lot... take your own bloody advice, mate.
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Committee of one? No, just someone who's a bit bored of you posting the same complaints, and I'd be surprised if I'm the only one. You're continually saying that you don't like :-
Android R
Android Q
The additional security Google has put in place since Android R
Not having a memory card slot
Having round corners
You don't need to post it every time the opportunity arises so maybe a little more constraint is called for?
I'm curious, do you even have an S21 Ultra? If so it sounds to me like you should sell it and go back to the Note 10+ if you still have it, or buy one with the resulting funds.

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Committee of one? No, just someone who's a bit bored of you posting the same complaints, and I'd be surprised if I'm the only one. You're continually saying that you don't like :-
Android R
Android Q
The additional security Google has put in place since Android R
Not having a memory card slot
Having round corners
You don't need to post it every time the opportunity arises so maybe a little more constraint is called for?
I'm curious, do you even have an S21 Ultra? If so it sounds to me like you should sell it and go back to the Note 10+ if you still have it, or buy one with the resulting funds.
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Off topic. Do what I do and hit ignore button for the bores... now you're dead to me.

I'm heartbroken.

samlis said:
Hi, I would like your opinion for the purchase of another smartphone equivalent to Galaxy s21 ultra like Honor after the return of google service or another brand thank you in advance
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There's the Sony Xperia 1 III. Compares very favorably to the S21 Ultra and surpasses it in a number of features. Display, MicroSD, 3.5 Jack and Faster Charging. The Sony is a bit more expensive but with the MicroSD you can lower the cost by acquiring the 128GB version and add up to 512GB External Storage. That isn't an option with the S21 Ultra and if you opt for 512GB it increases the cost of Galaxy device to $1,400 USD. Definitely worth a look.

varcor said:
There's the Sony Xperia 1 III. Compares very favorably to the S21 Ultra and surpasses it in a number of features. Display, MicroSD, 3.5 Jack and Faster Charging. The Sony is a bit more expensive but with the MicroSD you can lower the cost by acquiring the 128GB version and add up to 512GB External Storage. That isn't an option with the S21 Ultra and if you opt for 512GB it increases the cost of Galaxy device to $1,400 USD. Definitely worth a look.
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The Sony supports up to 1tb SD cards. A 1tb V30 rated Sandisk Extreme can be had for $179 now.
A .5tb V30 card goes for about $80.
V30 rated cards will play movies, music with no issues.
Using the SD card as a data drive is preferable to one huge internal shared drive.
Not sure how scoped storage in Android 11/12 will impact its use/functionality though...

blackhawk said:
The Sony supports up to 1tb SD cards. A 1tb V30 rated Sandisk Extreme can be had for $179 now.
A .5tb V30 card goes for about $80.
V30 rated cards will play movies, music with no issues.
Using the SD card as a data drive is preferable to one huge internal shared drive.
Not sure how scoped storage in Android 11/12 will impact its use/functionality though...
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I don't understand why scoped storage is a deficiency to a large degree. It assists in accessing permissions which app developers fail to build into their specific platforms. I don't care to go way off topic from the OP however I would suggest it's a much larger benefit than a drawback.

blackhawk said:
Meh, oranges to lemons.
I go with a N10+ or a N20U running on no higher than Q.
The S21U isn't a favorite of mine. Android R is a dog and 12 will likely be worse.
No SD card. Lacks the gorgeous design of the N10+ and damn, are we back to round corners again?
You need to decide what you want. You're all over the road so how to you expect to get home?
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You should accept not everyone prefers a device shaped like a box, most devices have rounded corners so you're in the minority. It's a subjective assessment, your opinion doesn't go beyond you.

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You should accept not everyone prefers a device shaped like a box, most devices have rounded corners so you're in the minority. It's a subjective assessment, your opinion doesn't go beyond you.
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In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.

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In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.
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Man, do you even have s21 ultra?
If No, then why bothering to discuss ur "superior" N10+ in an s21 ultra group?
If Yes, then why bringing ur "marvelous the 8th wonder of the world" N10+ in an s21 ultra group every single thread discussing an issue related to s21 ultra?
At last, it's ur opinion and you really don't need to convince us with it, have a blast

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Man, do you even have s21 ultra?
If No, then why bothering to discuss ur "superior" N10+ in an s21 ultra group?
If Yes, then why bringing ur "marvelous the 8th wonder of the world" N10+ in an s21 ultra group every single thread discussing an issue related to s21 ultra?
At last, it's ur opinion and you really don't need to convince us with it, have a blast
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30/3, I see why.

blackhawk said:
In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.
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You're tripping over toothpicks, get over it. If you have input on the OP feel free to share, getting into the weeds over items which are non sequitur benefits no one.

varcor said:
You should accept not everyone prefers a device shaped like a box, most devices have rounded corners so you're in the minority. It's a subjective assessment, your opinion doesn't go beyond you.
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I do it makes it easier to put in a case with round corners made of rubber and a flat glass screen protector. Round edges suck they limit accessories and make manufacturing disposable protection more difficult

xiaomi mi 11 ultra

blackhawk said:
30/3, I see why.
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So You're farming reaction score and messages?
Here, let me help you with another reply

blackhawk said:
In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.
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It is S21 forum, don't expect people to think rationally about the phone which costed them more than 1k. I have S21 ultra and I am happy with the phone, but it doesn't mean that I am blind and see only bright side, specially where we have couple of nasty wrong things with it.
I have noticed that you have two choices, be hurray-optimistic and happy with device, or you are going to be called hater. It is really simple, I was on facebook group about PS5 and as I own one, I could put some criticism regarding console itself but no, it is not allowed. You are happy or get lost, simple.

varcor said:
I don't understand why scoped storage is a deficiency to a large degree. It assists in accessing permissions which app developers fail to build into their specific platforms. I don't care to go way off topic from the OP however I would suggest it's a much larger benefit than a drawback.
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It isn't, for most of the time. Literally the only apps that need full storage access are file managers, of which you should only need one (or maybe two, one for advanced management, and one for everyday use). Besides, Google does have an API to get around scoped storage for such apps.
@samlis to answer your question, I think the phone that comes closest to the S21 Ultra is the Pixel 6 Pro. Apart from the slightly worse camera (you can literally not tell the difference in most photos, except for night mode, which the Pixel wins hands down, and >10x zoom, in which case the S21 Ultra wins).
However with the S22 coming so soon (in about 3-4 months), you might be better off waiting for that, either because it will offer much better experience at very similar price points, or because it will drive the S21's price down.