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HTC finally will listen to the final consumer? 3.5mm audio jack?

Original article: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/07/08/long-live-35mm-htc-makes-the-switch/
Dongles. In-line adapters. Proprietary headset ports. If it’s an audio port on a mobile handset and it’s not 3.5mm, it’s junk. As we declared back in May, we’re done with all of it. Now HTC, sire of the T-Mobile G1, myTouch, and countless other smartphones plagued by non-3.5mm jacks, is done with it too.
If you’ve been keeping up with your Android handset news, you might already know that the HTC Hero will be the first HTC-made Android handset with a 3.5mm jack. As it turns out, it’s just the first of many; beginning with the Hero, HTC is moving away from requiring users to pump audio through their modified miniUSB port.
We’d heard this mentioned as a possibility at past press events. This was HTC’s response when we reached out for comment:
The vast majority of devices we launch after Hero will have a 3.5mm jack. Devices that we have already announced but that still come out after Hero will not necessarily be a part of this change.
So it sounds like we may still see a few handsets hit the shelves with worthless audio ports - but aural salvation is on the way. This is a hugely important move for HTC and, seeing as they’re the most fruitful supporter of the platform so far, for Android. People like using their own headphones, but hate carrying around 2 extra inches of an oh-so-easy-to-lose adapter cable. If you make using headphones a pain, the media playback functionality of the handset/platform tends to be abandoned. Long live the 3.5mm port!

I prefer extUSB.
It's smaller, allows for remote control for music and also can be used for tv out with sound.
3.5mm ruins the looks of the phone and is unnecessary... Just use a small adapter or HTC E100 which has remote music controls.

I also prefer the usb over the 3.5mm jack...been using it for over two years.

why do you prefer extUSB over the normal 3.5mm Jack ?
I think they will not only implement the standard 3.5mm Jack, but the one with 4 Contact Layers that also enables you to use a Remote.

did they say anywhere HTC was eliminating the USB port?
agreed about the 4 contact jack.

I don't think they will "eliminate" the USB Port in general since it's the easiest way to charge & sync our devices both at the same time.
Either they will go with the 4 Contact Jack or maybe a composite of USB & three Contact 3.5mm Jack... although the latter would take more time to develop/implement into the existing Software (TouchFLO3D & HTC Sense).

well i think the devices comes with less conectivity
IRDA, BT,wireless carrier services, WIFI, USB, EXT-USB, miniUSB, 3.5, 2.5, and all the variant for the audio jack.
and now the devices comes with BT Wifi and EXTUSB... what da?
hehehe if the device only has ext-usb without 3.5 how can you listen to music or videos with earphones HQ (neodimium magnets) by AIWA or SONY, Yamaha Bose or so much more!.... and cradled to the wall...????
I think:
With a Extended Adapter all in one! larger and ugly...
Its better to get separated 3.5 only for listen music and EXTUSB for hands-free wired, charge and sync.

mikechannon said:
This is interesting because I noticed that phone manufacturers have agreed to make a common standard charging port so that chargers can be used for many makes and models of phone. They have chosen Mini USB for this purpose.
This means that if the above stories about a 3.5 Jack for sound are also true, that phones will not be able to share the same port for sound and charging. i.e. all phones would require two separate ports. This may sound ok, but ports are relatively big and gobble up sizable hunks of space internally - not ideal when you need to maximise the use of space. Ports, whether USB or Jack Plug styles are crude "ironmongery" compared with other parts of the ciruitry and it s wasteful to have two, when one port (USB) can fulfil both functions. USB is capable of many more functions and connections that Jacks; although I do understand however the desire to have Jacks for audio for compatibility with a wide range of headsets.
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The problem with having extUSB type of slots are because they increase the chances for accidental detachment of the plugs. Every device I ever used that required an adapter really sucked because the headphone always got disconnected easily.
Furthermore, the configuration is not practical for people who charge their phones while listening to music.
People don't use blue tooth for music and videos because of the battery issues and the occasional connection drop.
Next, having a splitter adapter is annoying because you have to carry it with you.
Furthermore they need to create lockable extUSB adapters in which the adapter will snap on the phone and never ever detach which makes the adapter a more practical and plausible idea.

Hell..... it's about time....
P.S. +1 to whoever gets the reference.

2 BT Devices at once???

I have bluetooth in my SUV (Mopar's uConnect Dodge Nitro 2008), and I am looking into getting a bluetooth device like this (Link or Link) and I was wondering if the hero will connect to both the audio gateway and car kit? I know the iPhone and iPod(3G) will do this so I'm thinking there is hope for the hero.
Does anyone have either of these devices or something similar, any cheap places?
Thanks!!!

I tried this in my 08 G37 since the built in OEM BT does not do A2DP, this was on the original 1.5 ROM using Kensington A2DP adapter with Remote. I could get both to pair and connect but the audio would not work on phone calls once the music was playing. I need to give it a try with the 2.1 software but I am not too optimistic since the 2.1 implementation is buggy as well. I ended up getting a $2 HTC adapter/splitter that connects both audio and charger with one connector. I think you would still have to connect the charger when using BT since it wears the battery down so this is not much different.
This is the adapter I have, the cool thing about this one is that you can stick the remote anywhere in the car.
Kensington LiquidAUX Bluetooth Car Kit with Remote for Music Phones (this is actually a hands free system as well so maybe it was taking over the call audio even with handsfree profile disabled in settings)

I have an Aux jack for my car stereo, so I just run a 3.5mm male-to-male cable for audio. I use my BT for hands-free calling. If I'm using my phone for music, it's plugged in anyway, so one more cable isn't going to hurt anything.

subcypher said:
I have an Aux jack for my car stereo, so I just run a 3.5mm male-to-male cable for audio. I use my BT for hands-free calling. If I'm using my phone for music, it's plugged in anyway, so one more cable isn't going to hurt anything.
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True... that's what I've been doing

subcypher said:
3.5mm male-to-male cable for audio.
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3.5mm is icky. how can you stand to listen to that?

thedudejdog said:
3.5mm is icky. how can you stand to listen to that?
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wtf are you talking about? that's a direct line out from the sound card on the phone? blue-tooth would be the lower quality audio. wire>wireless ALWAYS no if ands or buts. copper is a million times better conductor than air.

ipfreelytech said:
wtf are you talking about? that's a direct line out from the sound card on the phone? blue-tooth would be the lower quality audio. wire>wireless ALWAYS no if ands or buts. copper is a million times better conductor than air.
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Actually BT audio is digital and 3.5mm is analog. Digital is better than analog any day of the week. Plus with it being digital it doesn't really matter that it is wireless, as long as you are within proper range the transferred 1s & 0s are identical wired or wireless.
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RocStar629 said:
Actually BT audio is digital and 3.5mm is analog. Digital is better than analog any day of the week. Plus with it being digital it doesn't really matter that it is wireless, as long as you are within proper range the transferred 1s & 0s are identical wired or wireless.
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Digital is not always better plus it ends up analog in the end. With A2DP you are adding a second variable encode/decode to the mix, this process in case of already compressed MP3s or streaming audio degrades the original quality a second time. The only reason you would not notice is because of crappy audio equipment or ears

Audio over Bluetooth still does NOT compare to wired.
Read some reviews sometimes. All of the current BT headsets do not come anywhere close to audio transmitted over a wire.

ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
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So what was the verdict on 2 BT devices at once? In my situation I'd be looking at having it connected to my car via Ford's Sync system, as well as a BT OBD-II adapter like this:
www . plxkiwi . com/kiwibluetooth/buynow_torque.html

maxpower47 said:
So what was the verdict on 2 BT devices at once? In my situation I'd be looking at having it connected to my car via Ford's Sync system, as well as a BT OBD-II adapter like this:
www . plxkiwi . com/kiwibluetooth/buynow_torque.html
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Haha... I'm too chicken to waste money on it. No idea! I have less than a year left with this phone so I'm just going to wait.

compatible car stereo (audio out through usb)

I'm looking into car stereos, and is there a way to get one with a usb port that I could do audio out of the phone through it?
Right now I have to cables needed for my phone in the car, power cable and headphones. I'm trying to see how I can eliminate the headphones, but still keep the ability to use my phone for music (while its charging). I keep my music on the internal storage (not SD), but also use Pandora or Audiogalaxy.
Also if there are any stereo units that can do this and have support for ipod of usb that would be great too.

almost every car stereo brand has one with usb ports but unfortunately I think you need one with an auxiliary out that will connect thru 3.5 mm headphone jack
edit: I think there might be some out there that have bluetooth for playing music actually
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Check CrutchField.com and it should work just like you want. Go to best buy with your cable and plug into one of the HU's there and try it. Your music would need to be on the SD card and disk drive setup from the phone end I think
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This means your phone will act as an USB thumb drive.. It may not be the same effect you want, but is a pretty good solution.

I use a nice sony head to stream the media audio to in my truck, often 8 or 10 hours a day, love it. A few head units will allow phone and audio seperately. The ability to connect bt headset and head unit to the phone is well worth the money if you spend much time driving

Pioneer offers many units that have the bluetooth built in that allow audio streaming and call interuption etc
I know in my 2011 Camaro i can do call audio and any audio on my Incredible (ie: music, sounds, games, videos all output audio via bluetooth since the radio acts as headphones) but of course were also talking about a stereo that has rare support for the Zune integrated right into the USB.

The sony in my 2011 freightliner does the media and phone seperately, phone can be connected to stereo and headset at the same time, mp3 thru the stereo and calls thru the headset. Even with the external mic for the stereo people got too much background noise. Car might be a little quieter inside tho
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For absolutely FANTASTIC sound...

I know a lot of you are anxiously awaiting the voodoo port to our phone but I just wanted to let you know, in case you hadn't heard, that even our stock ROM supports external, driverless DACs and amps. I am using an ODAC and O2 headphone amp but I confirmed FiiO E7s also work so I presume any high-quality DAC will hook right up.
I just got an OTB host adaptor (micro to full size USB), plugged my DAC/amp into the USB and told the ROM (settings>Accessory> Audio Output mode (checked to use external speakers when plugged into a dock) and told the HDMI output to use stereo since I have only two ears and use headphones at work.
The sound, once you've bipassed the DAC internal to the phone is, as you might expect, exemplary- eerily crystal clear and quiet with outstanding dynamics. Since the ODAC is very efficient and the E7 is internally powered neither solution should have any major effect on battery life. Once you've heard an external DAC on this phone you'll feel as sad if you have to use the headphone jack again as you no doubt felt when you tried to use an old "tiny" phone as getting your GN2.
I was quite disappointed with the (for me) relatively poor pen support (I was expecting Newton - like integration), the missing multi-tasking, etc but this feature makes up for it all- if you like music, try it and I guarantee it'll bring a smile to your face whatever else is going on with your day. Poweramp and Music, by the way, support 320k VBR, FLAC and lossless AAC no problem- it just sounds wonderful.

Interesting! I've been really surprised at how great the sound is just using bluetooth audio in the car. Can you provide links/ specific models for these items? Found the FiiO E7 on Amazon, not bad pricewise. I have an OTG thingy I have used with my Nexus 7 but haven't tried it yet with the Note2. I'm using KKR headphones at home and could see going portable with the right setup. Also not above putting stuff together in a box, been playing with Arduino's lately.
Also, assuming the Note2 is the center of my future portable sound world (just got the 64G Sandisk at Best Buy) what format would you recommend for ripping my CDs? I brought some to work today to rip while working but haven't really looked at the various lossless solutions. I would like to get some kind of replaygain-like functionality. Currently using DeadBeef for my player but open to the best solution there too.

I use the fiio e17 . you need a great pair of cans to basically get the best sound.
(I am working on a project to create and 3d print a case that will contain the phone and the fiio. will keep you posted.

I finally tried connecting my Hot audio Dac destroyer (want to get a new dac) to this phone and it seems to work! Used it with my Akg q701's so I think I also need an external amp.
If the sound is coming out of the dac's headphone out is the internal dac of the phone bypassed or if not how do we do so?

guisar said:
I know a lot of you are anxiously awaiting the voodoo port to our phone but I just wanted to let you know, in case you hadn't heard, that even our stock ROM supports external, driverless DACs and amps. I am using an ODAC and O2 headphone amp but I confirmed FiiO E7s also work so I presume any high-quality DAC will hook right up.
I just got an OTB host adaptor (micro to full size USB), plugged my DAC/amp into the USB and told the ROM (settings>Accessory> Audio Output mode (checked to use external speakers when plugged into a dock) and told the HDMI output to use stereo since I have only two ears and use headphones at work.
The sound, once you've bipassed the DAC internal to the phone is, as you might expect, exemplary- eerily crystal clear and quiet with outstanding dynamics. Since the ODAC is very efficient and the E7 is internally powered neither solution should have any major effect on battery life. Once you've heard an external DAC on this phone you'll feel as sad if you have to use the headphone jack again as you no doubt felt when you tried to use an old "tiny" phone as getting your GN2.
I was quite disappointed with the (for me) relatively poor pen support (I was expecting Newton - like integration), the missing multi-tasking, etc but this feature makes up for it all- if you like music, try it and I guarantee it'll bring a smile to your face whatever else is going on with your day. Poweramp and Music, by the way, support 320k VBR, FLAC and lossless AAC no problem- it just sounds wonderful.
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This is relatively widely known, there is a USB audio thread here and it is mentioned in the Sound Quality thread here in the Note 2 subforums
I demonstrate it in the video below, and also did the same in my S3 video of the same kind. I'm using an RSA Intruder with mine, and get the Leckteron UHA-6S.MKII in the post in a few days to try out as well.

Internal Audio from HDMI?

I unfortunately use a HDMI to DVI cable for my video as i play on a monitor in my room. Sadly i have to use a bluetooth earpiece just for sound and it is annoying. Internalizing a speaker would NOT be ideal for game play but better than having to pair every time just for sound... My idea was get a regular speaker solder it to the audio pinouts from HDMI. is this possible? i have google for so long and could not find the pinouts for the pic i posted. I dont want to mess up considering how small they contacts are.... and my soldering skills not so great... I wanna get it done on my first go thanks for any input!

m03m1x said:
I unfortunately use a HDMI to DVI cable for my video as i play on a monitor in my room. Sadly i have to use a bluetooth earpiece just for sound and it is annoying. Internalizing a speaker would NOT be ideal for game play but better than having to pair every time just for sound... My idea was get a regular speaker solder it to the audio pinouts from HDMI. is this possible? i have google for so long and could not find the pinouts for the pic i posted. I dont want to mess up considering how small they contacts are.... and my soldering skills not so great... I wanna get it done on my first go thanks for any input!
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Those aren't analog audio outputs. You'll need a DVI audio breakout box if you want normal audio out. But honestly $120ish will get you a nice 24" with hdmi in nowadays.

Perhaps a cheap Bluetooth speaker? Mine pairs automatically and doesn't require pins or anything... Even the first time.
Same situation but probably a little more comfortable.
On my android stick MK808 I've seen people use a USB sound card with audio out. May work the same.
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Get a bluetooth adapter, it'll allow you to hook up any speakers to it via AUX cable. I do this with my laptop to my stereo. The only problem is I got bad lag on sound via bluetooth with the OUYA, not sure why.

USB Audio devices are just $9, but you'll need a ROM that supports the drivers. I couldn't get them to work on the stock OUYA ROM, I could get it to work with the CM10 ROM experimental using a patcher.
Otherwise, a HDMI/DVI breakout would work. Or a bluetooth to aux.
They really should have included a headphone jack. Guess they wanted to cut the cost of an amp/jack.

USB audio is definitely the cheapest way to go, but it may be a while before the ouya officially supports it.

KyleK29 said:
USB Audio devices are just $9, but you'll need a ROM that supports the drivers. I couldn't get them to work on the stock OUYA ROM, I could get it to work with the CM10 ROM experimental using a patcher.
Otherwise, a HDMI/DVI breakout would work. Or a bluetooth to aux.
They really should have included a headphone jack. Guess they wanted to cut the cost of an amp/jack.
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bluetooth to AUX works but there's a bad delay, so it really doesn't work with gaming. If it's for movies, programs like XBMC has a syncing feature and for music it wouldn't matter.

JLCollier2005 said:
bluetooth to AUX works but there's a bad delay, so it really doesn't work with gaming. If it's for movies, programs like XBMC has a syncing feature and for music it wouldn't matter.
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Well, I'd hope Ouya includes the drivers in an official update for USB Audio devices. It is kinda a needed thing for a lot of people who want to game with headphones, not all TV's (especially low-end ones) have headphone/LR out.
My TV *does* have it, so I can break out the signal that way. But for when I don't want to use a screen (ie: listening to music, etc.), I have the USB Audio to allow that without leaving the screen on.

Anyone tried Bluetooth audio?
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8125Omnimax said:
Anyone tried Bluetooth audio?
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Yes I try my Headset Bluetooth, and work fine ( music lag with xbmc, but no problem with Youtube )
Envoyé depuis mon Transformer TF101 en utilisant Tapatalk 4 Beta

best and cheap option is this:
HDMI 4 Ports Switcher with Audio Output Stereo,Toslink 3D V1.4 Compatible
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251307741614?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
XBMC work with 5.1 dolby and DTS audio flawless U$S40